Moto Guzzi V85TT Ownership Experience | Review

[@DarioRapisardi]

I have the same bike, in the same color, and ordered it with the same accessories (heated grips, center stand, crash bars). I think you give your dealer more credit than they deserve. I mean, it's commendable that they acknowledged some mistakes, and that they offered the grips for free (my beef with my dealer is how outrageously expensive they are). But... the failure to install a lock cylinder properly (which is something so easy to test and detect, that it's alarming they didn't), a center stand that fell off (!)... or that they thought the Centenario had heated grips (my dealership didn't have that confusion somehow, they use the same systems, isn't that weird?). My point is that I'm not surprised that the bike has mechanical issues, as it's very likely the dealer prep work hasn't been done correctly (which includes, mind you, filling and checking fluids, including transmission's). The ECU problem could or could not be the dealer's fault, but everything else is 100% on them, and they wanting to be straight for free more than a clear indicator that they know this. If I were you I would have my next service on a different place. In any case, thanks for sharing!

[@MotoTherapy]

A good portion of my frustrations did stem from the dealer issues, and I’m sure I gave my dealer more credit than they deserve. My personality just makes me slow to throw people under the bus. I did check on multiple forums, though, and the rear drive (differential) is filled at the factory, and there is no way to check the amount other than draining it. I wouldn’t expect the dealer to do this, but maybe they should if they know it’s a common issue (which I now know it is). Regardless, thanks for the comments, and best wishes to you!!

[@davidtc3494]

@@MotoTherapy I have had three V85TT, one MK1 rode it 19,000 miles and a Mk2 rode 3,000 that got stolen and my current bike 20,000 miles always got home on all bikes, Traveled vast distances across Europe , In the UK the advise for some time is to check the Oil level on PDI , I think the ECU failure was a Temperature sensor failure from experience!!.. As already said I think the dealer is given to much credit. On a positive side stick with it. Get into the Guzzi way of life , it will pay dividends.

[@scottmastrocinque]

@@MotoTherapy This is what a PRE-DELIVERY INSPECTION (PDI) is, aka "Setup". It's not just supposed to be money the dealer charges for nothing. They are expected and required by the factory, to check and verify everything on the motorcycle BEFORE delivering it to the customer. A simple inspection of the final drive would have easily revealed the excess oil. They didn't do their job. The ECU, is not a big dealing absolutely no cause for concern or angst at all. Electrical components can fail at anytime without warning. It's rare for a new one to go on the fritz, but not unheard of. I'm sure your new one will be fine. Also, though, could have been caused by poor battery condition which again wasn't checked properly at the PDI. I see this type of stuff all the time from every manufacturer. Motorcycle dealers don't employ mechanics anymore, just glorified parts changers. They just don't go through the bike stem to stern like they should.

[@MotoTherapy]

@@scottmastrocinque Good observations. There’s plenty of blame to go around, and the result has been a frustrating ownership experience.

[@rjsalameh]

I am considering getting a V7. Is your dealer the one in Savannah?

[@curbjumper]

At 28,000km on my 2021 V85tt, I have had zero issues. It has never been at a dealer for service, except to shut off the service light; I set the valve clearances, change the engine oil/filter, trans oil, final drive oil, air filter, change & balance the tires myself.. and it just goes & goes.. some oil sweat has appeared at the oil pan gasket & front engine cover gasket; and one of these gaskets took 4 months to get, so I feel your pain about the Moto Guzzi/ Piaggio supply chain. I was fortunate enough to read about the over-filling of the final drive and the under-filling of the transmission, and addressed these problems immediately. If it blows up now, I have had a good run with it 😂. This is my 4th Italian bike and my 45th motorcycle in 53 yrs of riding; I knew what to expect after having 3 Ducatis, regarding the quirkiness of Italian machines -vs- Japanese bikes. I will go for quirkiness & Italian every time over 'vanilla' motorcycles; I suppose I equate, to some extent, perfect reliability and no puzzles to solve with 'vanilla' and ultra reliable/ efficient Japanese bikes. We are all fortunate enough to have many models to choose from; I have also made purchasing mistakes over the years, and there are brands I will not buy again. Many riders have had warranty/ dealer issues with new bikes; I wonder if the answer is to buy used and to do maintenance at home? At any rate, I have never been stung by doing my own services on several new bikes, but also I have never had an issue with an ECU- which of course would require dealer assistance. It could happen to anyone of us next.

[@bicikla_amuzo]

A bad start, for sure. But from my experience, trust the bike. I've done far over 100.000 km on Moto Guzzi. Just got the V85tt, too and made more than 10.000km in two months and love it. The technical base is rock solid. Hope you can experience that, too. I wish you a great time with it.

[@andreamitnick6304]

Over the past 40 years of riding 14 different bikes I've had four Guzzis...and never a problem with any of them. Two years ago I bought a V85 TT and I've had 20K miles of no issues. Yes, it did take me several months to get the tubeless rims that I ordered during the Pandemic, but beyond that little frustration, this bike is a very strong runner with no issues. Even the older Guzzis that I had years ago ran strong with very little attention to service intervals, etc.--hey, I was younger then and I didn't pay much attention to servicing beyond changing the oil. These bikes have an engineering history that goes back to tractors and farm machinery and that solid design is apparent.

[@MotoTherapy]

What you are saying is why I bought one. What I experienced is something completely different. But as I said, I recognize that my experience is not everyone's.

[@barkinsahin]

As an hobby rider for 20 years, I have learnt one thing for sure: when I loose my confidence in my bike, I immediately sell it. There is no way to carry on. This is what it is...

[@MotoTherapy]

You are correct. The Guzzi has recently been sold. Thanks for watching!

[@TXLorenzo]

I have owned three Guzzis with no major problems, but I support your decision. I have had motorcycles that have left me for dead on the road and I sold them immediately. @@MotoTherapy

[@peted2770]

@@MotoTherapy I know this is an old response, but how did you do reselling the bike? I'm currently trying to sell my Griso, and I have a feeling that I may have to almost give it away. Not many people know about Guzzi and tend to stick with more well known bikes.

[@MotoTherapy]

@@peted2770 My experience is that it took longer to sell it because the buyer pool is much smaller. The buyers are out there, but it requires more patience (and/or dropping the price). Eventually, a buyer drove about 6 hrs to me for the bike, and at that point it was selling at a bit of a discount. Good luck-I hope it sells and for a reasonable price!

[@peted2770]

@@MotoTherapy Thanks for the reply

[@pwoijrg44]

Started off sounding a bit soft and whiny with a 5 minute rant about grips, but ultimately I agreed with your conclusion, thanks for sharing. I have desperately wanted a Moto Guzzi since drooling over a 1000S in bike mags in the 90’s, and the Le Mans before that, the most beautiful bikes ever made. Similar to you, the green V85 TT Centenario is both an intriguing and stunning looking bike. But I would never buy one. Why? Because you simply cannot trust a Moto Guzzi with an ECU on a long haul trip. It breaks down miles from anywhere and you’re screwed. Beautiful, but sadly not to be trusted. Japanese bikes for the win.

[@pascalt9655]

Contrary to you, I have an excellent experience with my V85TT. 23000 kms on the clock in less tan two years and very happy. I started riding motorbikes in 1975 and had very different driving experiences along the years on many motorbikes, Japonese and German. This Guzzi is really a pleasant bike, also for the passenger.

[@MotoTherapy]

Glad you had a good experience with the bike!

[@pascalt9655]

@@MotoTherapy And satisfying experience with the dealer as well (in France).

[@djsomers100]

Heated grips were never part of the Centenario package (I have a 2022). Dealership mistake. Luggage racks are installed by dealership. Dealership mistake. Center rack. Also not par to the Centenario package. Dealership problem. Why ECU die? Yes makes you wonder... Not a problem I have even heard about before. Dealer is supposed to check fluid levels before delivery. None of your problems seem fundamental to the bike itself, but to the people who have worked on it.

[@lovelessissimo]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@used2befast]

This bike does not have a way to check the level of the final drive fluid. So, kind of a bad design from MG. With most bikes, the fill bolt is also the level bolt, but not this MG. And an ECU dying! Crazy that guys want to give MG a break on that one! What are you supposed to do, carry an extra ECU along on your trips?! And the MG system that showed the heated grips as available, problem with MG. I've owned 4 Moto Guzzi's in the past, and I get the desire for the brand, but really it is just too much trouble. Unless you want some sort of co-dependent relationship with a motorcycle.

[@woodnbow]

@@used2befast I’m a Buellista… of course I carry an extra ECM… 😂 I am considering the Guzzi as a replacement for my Ulysses. Either the 85 or the V100…

[@peterklop9015]

@@used2befast I’ve had a 2017 model year BMW F800GS engine that blew up after a few thousand miles; a bolt came loose in the engine. It got replaced under warranty. I’ve had a leaking shaft drive on a 2013 1200GS and its handlebar switches had to be replaced. I’ve had another model year 1200GS that had a bad rear shock. My wife had a F650GS from which the front brake caliper came off (dealer error) - can you imagine? I’ve had different recalls through the years, it seems like there is always something. The point being; new bike problems is not just with Guzzi. BMW is no different and look at all the KTM problems in the past five years. I’ve even seen a japanese bike, the african twin, sheer of it’s footpeg with a simple little sliding drop - because of a design flaw that the aftermarket circuit fixed and eventually honda changed on newer model years. All brands have their issues.

[@paulcooper5610]

Agree most of the issues seem to be dealership blaming the factory, after all the the shaft drive oil wasn't an issue till after the 1st 900 mile service, therefore the dealership had two opportunities to check the oil level and missed it on the pre delivery check and 1st service if it was overfilled by the factory. The ECU is a worry, I've owned my moto Guzzi for over 16yrs and never had an issue with one, these ECU's are not even a Piaggio part they are just generic parts used by lots of manufactures. Very unusual for them to fail in that way but I understand your frustration and lack of trust in the Bike when it lets you down like this. I do think the dealership were totally to blame for not checking their fitting of the centre stand and this alone would make me question if it was somewhere I would want to take my bike to for servicing. I do think Moto Guzzi have a bit of an issue finding good dealerships with the ability and knowledge to service their bikes as even here in the UK we quite often have Moto Guzzi dealerships shutting down and new ones opening up. I would get on a Moto Guzzi forum and try to find a good Moto Guzzi dealership in your area that other owners have recommended. I know that won't be easy as they don't tend to have multiple dealerships in the same area, lets face it they don't sell in the same quantities as Japanese bikes. I do think you have been unlucky with your bike but I don't think your dealership have helped the situation at all. Hope you have no more issues and get the chance to enjoy owning a moto Guzzi as they are things of real beauty and character.

[@alandmorley]

Hello from the Uk. Thanks for being honest with your report on your Guzzi . I think a lot of people have trouble with Guzzi's but just learn to live with the faults and call it character. Ride save.

[@MotoTherapy]

I hear what you're saying about Guzzi enthusiasts. Maybe I'll be one someday. As it stands, however, I don't find my ECU dying and stranding me in the middle of nowhere to be very endearing.

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

This is the reality. Somehow I would like the opposite of that character. :) Drop by when have time. You may like it.

[@thomascollins7932]

I appreciate your candid views. I bought one of the first 2020 models in the summer of 2019. It has been fine. But, in your case, I think the dealer let you down a bit even though they redeemed themselves. They have known about the overfilling for some time now. The dealer should have checked before letting you go with it and the stand issue is really unacceptable as you are experienced and know that when one of those springs pops, it can cause serious injury. As for the genuine accessories, yes, in the best of times, it can be a slow process, at this point we have not recovered from supply chain problems with covid. I hope you soldier on with it because they are really great, but if not, good luck on your next machine.

[@MotoTherapy]

Thank you for the encouragement, and for watching!

[@StrayPoet]

Thank you for taking the time to make this review. I have been seeing only glowing reviews, and it is good to take a negative perspective into view. I am ready to get a second bike, coming from my 2016 Vstrom 650 (which I love) and 60,000 miles, I do care a lot about reliability. My choices are tiger 900, V85tt, and T700. Still making the decision, but thank you for helping with it.

[@MotoTherapy]

Glad it was helpful for you! Best wishes with your decision!

[@kawabungah20]

Thank you for sharing your tenuous ownership experience with your fellow motorcyclists. I am very attracted to the V85 because it is beautiful and, per the specs, it is just what I want. However, reliability and service support are my priorities. So I'll think twice. Thanks again for a very good video.

[@StockySnail]

The bike is easy to work on yourself, so don't let one mans bad experience shy you away from a bike that has had many other trouble free experiences. If you're willing to work on it yourself it's a great bike compared to most as everything is so easy to access with the engine layout.

[@MrJulianneave]

A fair, measured, non-sensationalised video covering your ownership experience. Good work mate. I can see why all this stuff gave you some bad vibes.

[@johnkelly9061]

Guzzi is semi famous, but when you look into it, they're a small company. Parts take forever. Corporate communications are lacking. Warranty support is glacial. That said, it sounds like you dealer service really isn't cutting it. Apologies are nice, but it would be nicer if it wasn't necessary. After my break in service, I've just done my own maintenance and documented it. It's easy, and that way I don't have to wonder what some disinterested kid did to my bike while daydreaming about moto gp for 12 bucks an hour. Hang in there man!

[@basdebruin2355]

Depends where you live I think. I live in Europe, owner of two Guzzi’s. Never had any problem with ordering parts.

[@sboy1955]

Always intrigued by MG’s good looking offerings.. always put off by the few and far between support locations (USA).

[@roberts.1400]

Sold my 5 year old 2014 Moto Guzzi California and bought a 2017 California left over. I thought it would be an sensible upgrade as the 2014 was starting to get a little long in the tooth. The new bike cost me very little after selling the '14 so money wise it was a no-brainer ... Now I'm wishing I kept the 2014 as the 2017 has been problematic. When coming to a stop the bike stalls, if it doesn't stall it'll idle around 800 rpm or so which causes the bike to shake. It'll then bounce back to around 1200 rpm or so and smooth out. I took the bike to the dealer and they put in new plugs and adjusted the valves and said everything was fine which it was for a while. Now it's doing the same thing and it's not yet due for a service. Also, when at idle people tell me they smell gas so I think the fueling is off. Again, the dealer tells me the bike is fine but I know it's not. So, I'm probably going to trade it in on a new bike but not sure if I should go with the V100 Mandello or not. Loved my 2014 California Touring and I wish I never got rid of it. I'd kinda hate to write off the brand for the one bad experience but sometimes that's all it takes.

[@MotoTherapy]

Thanks for sharing your experience...I hope things smooth out for you in the future!!

[@operationsoperations5515]

Wow, it seems that you got everybody's bad luck given to you!! So sorry to hear this as our bikes are like a baby to us and we don't want to see anything go wrong with them. I got a similar bike history to you, having owned small enduros like DT 200, KLR, and larger Tenere, sports bikes like GSXR 1000 k4 or Fazer 1000, 2 FJRs and so on. I am currently in love with the new Moto Guzzi Mandello and plan to purchase one. I just hope that I am blessed with good luck as I hope you are from this point on. Thanks for the honest review.

[@daveslastchance]

I've owned a Guzzi and several other "exotics" (Piaggio MP3, Hyosung 250, and currently a Benelli 302s). What gives me the most willies is the dealer's lack of knowledge and experience when you buy one of these smaller brands. Since they don't sell a lot of bikes, they don't gain the same level of shop experience with any one model as they do with, say a Honda. So, bottom line is, you have to convince yourself to accept that risk of ownership. I rode my Guzzi V7 to Springfield, IL from eastern PA without incident, but knowing what could be in store for me if I had a major breakdown is troubling to say the least. Add to that the fact that, at least in my opinion, the level of mechanics' experience nowadays isn't what it used to be. That's a sign of the times and the sophistication of modern bikes.

[@MotoTherapy]

Excellent observations. Thanks for sharing!

[@rodzinkawmalezji9319]

Thank you for sharing your experience with us, sad to hear that it’s not so good…..I owned and used Moto Guzzi 1200Sport in the past, never faced any problems. In general it’s a good brand producing good and beautiful motorbikes, but still Italian….don’t expect Japanese or German quality (I owned also Yamaha and BMW, can compare) 😅

[@MotoTherapy]

Thank you for sharing your experience!

[@littlefishy6316]

Had a diecast Moto Guzzi toy when I was a kid in the early '70s, it had blue tank. Saw a near identical modern Moto Guzzi in the dealership recently.

[@threepot]

Unlucky with the ECU? I've had one fail also(not guzzi). Wouldn't stop me buying one?

[@kevinnielsen1356]

Sorry to hear of your poor initial experience. Givi engine guards, part # TN8202 for Moto Guzzi, $125- ×- at Revzilla. Heated grips are generic. Motorcycles do not have differentials. Once your machine is set right i will last a long time. Ive got a 2019 V7 stone, 10,000 mi and zero troubles. I know of Moto Guzzi's with over 100,000mi on em and those machines ride as good as new. It's commonly said by owners that these machines aren't really broken in until 20,000mi. These are hand made machines, by Italian craftsmen who like to toss down a glass ot two of wine at lunch on Fridays. Once your bike is set right you will be fine. Cheers

[@rdintennessee702]

I was very close to picking up a V85TT. Owned a bike shop for a number of years and took care of a few of Guzzi’s. I really enjoyed their quirky nature. Was “This close” and then came across a ‘21 Tiger 900 RP with a bunch of farkle and only 6,300 miles for the price of a new V85TT. No brainer. Parts availability has always been a problem with MG’s. Hopefully Piaggio will make things better. Guzzi’s have always held a soft spot in my heart, maybe someday, but the Tiger is 5 times the bike that the V85 is. Just sayin…

[@tDes865]

5 times? Lol comical..maybe .1 times..I rode both and actually prefer the Guzzi.

[@markanstey2654]

How is the Tiger 5 times the bike that guzzi is ? I own a guzzi v11 and a tiger 1050 and I much prefer the guzzi in almost every way. Not as fast as the tiger but so much more engaging and you feel like you're riding something a bit special.

[@rdintennessee702]

@@markanstey2654 I’m not comparing a Tiger 1050 to a V11. I’m comparing the V85 to the Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Horses for courses. In every measurable category the Triumph has it in spades over the Guzzi. But you would expect that at an over 30% premium (new) from the V85 to the RP. Nothing wrong with the Guzzi, but it isn’t in the same class as the Rally Pro, on or off road.

[@stevelendon3081]

I'm another outlier .. 2022 v85tt, I also have had 2 factory faults, after dealer first service I went on a 3,000km ride in Europe and halfway round found the rear brake caliper loose and one bolt missing, potentially catastrophic. Then after the big trip got a flat battery from a failed stator, currently being fixed under guarentee. Dealer issues, as well as failing to check the torque on all fixings. They filled the bike with the wrong spec oil which I had to point out to them, and remind them that all modern air-cooled engines need the highest performing correctly specc'd oil. I was riding in the hottest part and time in Europe, I suspect that major damage would have resulted with the wrong oil. It has taken quite a struggle to get the dealer to own these failures. I own 6 other bikes so am no novice, and like you really enjoy the v85. Trouble is it's uncomfortable riding with your fingers crossed. !

[@MotoTherapy]

Glad you avoided injury with that brake caliper incident! Your final phrase sums it up well: “It’s uncomfortable riding with your fingers crossed!” 🥲

[@sgomez3047]

I am in the process of looking at and purchasing an adventure bike and based on your review...the Guzzi it out!!! Wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole

[@Irtax]

Experiencing similar part supply chain issues with my Tuareg 660. Dealer said their site showed heated grips and the phone interface in stock in Atlanta and should have them in a few days. Two and a half weeks later, still waiting. Dealer says the parts system just shows a picture of a truck, meaning they shipped, but they do not get tracking info so can't look into it further than that. Piaggio needs to get their dealer parts/supply system sorted. I don't blame the dealer since they can only work with what the manufacturer gives them. No mechanical issues yet after a few hundred miles and some mild off road riding.

[@MotoTherapy]

Thanks for adding your experience. Hope you have smooth sailing from here forward!

[@YangCalgary]

Damn! It’s always a gamble with Piaggio but I heard similar stories from KTM and BMW. You need a bike you can trust so get a different one. Considered the Tiger 900? I’m happy with that one.

[@MotoTherapy]

A friend of mine had the frame break on his 900 Rally Pro. No notable abuse other than typical ADV drops. Truimph blamed it on his aftermarket crash bars and refused to warranty it. So, I've not really considered one, although they are quite capable bikes! All that said, yes, I will be looking for a different bike if I can sell this Guzzi.

[@WWADV]

Just a thought, this sounds like the Shop setup the bike and created these issue. I am not sure this was an OEM issue. I don't know your dealer, but I would look around at other who purchased from them and find out if they have had similar issue.

[@eddielopez7272]

Moto Guzzi and the Dealer are helping you to resolve the Issues., now about the parts probably back order due to the pandemic. I bought a brand new Ducati Super Sport with extended warranty and I'm fighting with the dealer and Ducati to fix my fuel gauge again. They fix it once, 2k miles later went out again and is been 3 moths already. I went to dealer to show them the problem got documented and now dealer are ignoring my calls too. The part is been revise and I call other dealers to see if the part is available which it is cause it seems that is very common issue on Ducatis SS, Panigale V2, Monsters and Multiestradas models. My Ducati days are over soon my bike is fix will trade it for the V85TT or the V100 Mandelo del Lario.

[@MotoTherapy]

Sorry to hear about your troubles, too. Best wishes moving forward!

[@markmcintosh7095]

They are hard to get parts for. It seems like it takes months to get accessories and parts. Your dealership sounds like they know how to work on the bikes which is a plus. I got the taller windscreen on mine and it makes a big difference. Mine came without the top trunk when I bought it and like your grips it took months to come. I think having a good tech at Guzzi dealerships is very important. Best of luck!

[@oplon82]

Had my share of issues with the V85TT. I have the Travel version, so heated grips and stuff were preinstalled. However dealership mechanics do not really know the bike. In 2 years and 15k km, I had to visit the dealership 7 times. In most cases the mechanic messed up the bikes software because he didn't actually know how to perform a firmware update. And it makes sense. Having a Piaggio mechanic that mostly works on scooters, work on Moto Guzzi bikes as well is like having a French teacher teaching German to Japanese pupils. The bike is good, the dealership network is one hell of a mess. And I have to admit as much as I like V85 character, I soμetimes find myself regretting that I didn't choose the Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro.

[@MotoTherapy]

Sorry to hear that you, too, have had dealer issues. Agreed-what a mess!

[@mikgold]

I loved the ride on the v85tt 2019 but at 16000 miles it stalled at low revs. It took the dealer nearly 2 months to find the issue after "fixing" it twice. Once on a service. I traded it in for a gs and a 3 year warranty. Gear linkage and now I've more boxes

[@ginoasci2876]

it’s difficult to be angry with the dealer when it’s beyond their control, but i feel your pain. BUT two months later, they should have your heated grips. it does sound like the bike is good if these things didn’t happen. i’m a real italian lol (born there) and i would have purchased a moto guzzi but the dealer had none so my choice was a 2022 triumph scrambler 1200XC. i imagine you’re familiar with this bike, and the reviews are outstanding to say the least. i’m sure it would fit the bill when it come to the versatile type of riding you do. its capable off road and the XE is a little more capable because of the extra 50mm suspension travel. plus they fixed the exhaust heat problem by moving the cat back to the end of the exhaust. looking at your moto guzzi though, i would have chosen it because of many factors like it’s italian lol, shaft drive, good reputation, looks good, has the power and features. but no heated hams grips lololol your wife must be an angel from heaven….she rescues you with the trailer, then you go off on a 1000 mile adventure without her. your review did show how things can up wrong with a new bike, unfortunately both those major issues happened to the same bike. you have to keep your cool. good luck to you and always be safe.

[@MotoTherapy]

I recently sold the V85TT and moved on to a R1250GSA. The dealer experience has been stellar and the bike has been flawless. Again, it’s an experience with a single bike (sample size = 1), but after my experience with the Moto Guzzi, I am happy to embrace this new direction!

[@ginoasci2876]

@@MotoTherapy : good for you. all the best. stay safe.

[@billfish5913]

Darn! I was really excited about the V85TT. Air cooled, not too much tech, Shaft Drive, I can adjust the valves without taking off the tank, not too big, not too small. I had ruled out the KTM 890 Adventure S because of tech problems riders experienced, including repeatedly going into limp mode, and the dealer can’t seem to fix it. My question is, do you think the KTM is more reliable than the Guzzi? Did you have problems with it? I currently have two Harley’s, a 1999 Sportster and a 2001 Eglide, both are carbureted with absolutely no tech. I guess even if you have a little bit of tech it can go wrong. I also have a 1986 BMW R80RT with carbs and no tech. And no problems. I’m really leary of buying a new $14000 bike only to have to take it to the dealer with tech problems. Like you said, it’s hard to take off on a trip if you can’t trust your bike. I just found your channel so I’m curious to see what you do. Keep the shiny side up.😎👍

[@MotoTherapy]

I'm not familiar with the limp mode issue on the KTM 890 Adv. My 890 had its issues (TFT condensation, front wheel hop, etc.), but none of the issues ever left me stranded. The only issue on the V85TT that left me immediately stranded was the ECU failure, which was likely a rare issue. That said, I would not buy either bike again. Both also included poor dealership and corporate experiences, in addition to the bike issues. My next mid-to-large bike will be a 1250GSA or (most likely) an Africa Twin. I never had a single issue with my '18 Africa Twin...I only sold it because I needed cruise control due to multiple right shoulder surgeries. Best wishes to you moving forward!!

[@billfish5913]

Thanks for this video and your feedback. My nearest Guzzi dealer is in Denver area. I live in northern Wyoming, so a 7-8 hr drive depending on weather. Hmm. Honda’s are hard to beat and I have a local dealer. I wish they would bring the new Trans Alp to the US. I would probably buy it. 😎👍

[@MotoTherapy]

@@billfish5913 Yes, the sparse Guzzi dealer network is also a major issue, should you ever need warranty or dealer service work...or a part when something fails during a cross-country ride.

[@aleksandrskusnirs6259]

Thanks for sharing. And here i am willing to pull the trigger on a new MG V7, stories like this make me wonder if its worth it. Same situation as yours - dealer is at about 3hrs away from me(and its in another country). Oh how angry i would have been if this was my story. As for the exact model - got one local rider, who owned a V85TT - he decided to end it after 19 000km of use - traded it for a new Suzuki V-Strom 650 at the same dealer after his MG broke down two times in the middle of a long trip+had multiple small issues. So this makes me wonder even more. Too bad that there are so few retro bikes that are more powerful then 35kw (basically Triumphs only)

[@MotoTherapy]

Best wishes in your decision. Safe riding to you!

[@billycaspersghost7528]

I ride a guzzi v7 and went to the annual Guzzifest rally for members of the Moto Guzzi club GB. There was a dealer there with various models including a V85TT. This is the national rally ,a chance to shine ,to make sales to the converted ,pushing on an open door., the dream sales event. It broke down.

[@MotoTherapy]

Oh no!! I needed that story-thanks! 🤣

[@p6x2]

I own a Moto Guzzi V11 Le Mans from 2004; I would like to clarify some of the negative issues you experienced. The ECU is an accessory provided by Magneti Marelli. You were the victim of an infancy failure. This is unfortunate, but I do believe Moto Guzzi has little to do with it. They just purchase them from Magneti in troves, like other Bike manufacturers. You just got unlucky. This is usually pretty rare, since these ECU are solid state. The one I have on my Le Mans is also from Magneti Marelli, and so far, so good. The overfill is something which is obviously human oversight. Although I was under the assumption that motorbikes have to be dry to be transported. If you have watched those unboxing from dealers, the bikes arrive in transportation boxes, and need to be assembled at the dealership. Now I am not one hundred certain the bike came completely dry, but I believe the dealer has to check all the levels before handing it out to the customer. As for the dealer who did not know the specifications of the bike he had for sale, I am not as forgiving as you are. I purchased my V11 in full remote as I live in Texas and the bike was at a Motorcycle dealership in Florida. Prior to conclude the purchase, I had multiple exchanges with the sales assistant who I informed that I would travel there to pickup the bike and bring it back home. The day I got to the dealership, I discovered the odometer was not working. It turned out this was a consignment bike, and they had never even ridden it before they put it for sale. I left the bike at the dealership, and flew back home. I got the bike delivered (at least for free), and got the odometer fixed by a specialist. I still have all the emails assuring me the bike was ready to go; this was not the only issue I had to fix. As for Guzzi's support, it is under par. This has been documented by numerous owners. Especially in the USA where they are sparsely represented, and where anything but the flowing supply spares have to come from Europe. If I wanted to purchase a V100, I would have to do it from 4 hours away from home. If you break down in the Chihuahua desert, away from large towns, you are on your own. It never happened to me so far, but I had some trouble that I was glad to be able to fix on the road. Nothing major though. A Guzzi is reliable, excepted for the cheap electric components, and the fact that I have an old bike exposed to the extreme sun of Texas. Thanks to your review, I am now in the market to purchase a Stelvio. I want my engines to be air cooled.

[@MotoTherapy]

Thanks for your response. I fully understand that motorcycle manufacturers source various parts from other suppliers. However, it is still Guzzi's choice to use their selected suppliers, and to incorporate those parts on their bikes. So in that sense, the responsibility still lies with Guzzi. But my overall point is not whose fault this or that is, but that in total, it has been a crappy ownership experience (the title of the video). This was due to a combination of parts suppliers, factory technicians, dealer setup, QC at every level, and an unwillingness of Guzzi's customer care office to adequately communicate and/or resolve my concerns. Ultimately, all of this is "Guzzi," to me the customer. I am a reasonable person and I prefer to extend grace whenever possible (sometimes to a fault). In the end, had Guzzi's customer care office communicated with me (i.e., had they simply called me back as promised) and worked to resolve a few things, this video might have been very different. Best wishes in your quest for a Stelvio, and safe riding!

[@p6x2]

@@MotoTherapy Magneti Marelli is a reputable company; they are the equivalent of Bosh in Italy. They are actually the official supplier of standardized ECU for MotoGP bikes. I understand that at the end of day, the bike let you down, and you had to transport it back home. It does frustrate a lot. I am of European origin, worked ten years in Italy. Even there, support from Guzzi was never exceptional. But then again, we need to keep in mind that Guzzi was purchased by Aprilia, then Aprilia got purchased by Piaggio. The Mandello del Lario factory is still there, but they are no longer making their own decisions. Which is ok in a way. The V100 looks good. We should be able to test drive them in March? I always liked the Guzzi philosophy. I am doing the Motorcycle Grand Tour of Texas for the third year in a row... Can't wait to start riding again... temperature in Tejas are in the upper 70's. It is already summer here....🙂

[@MotoTherapy]

@@p6x2 I also have experience with Italian products, as I lived and worked in Italy for 3 years. So, I should have known better. My experience in Italy is that presentation is unmatched, but quality and follow-through are weak (food and wine being notable exceptions). There is a lot about Guzzi that intrugues me, and I do love the feel of the bike and the torque delivery. As many people articulate, it is a bike that stirs the heart. But in the end, regardless of who supplied what parts and who bought Guzzi when, my ownership experience (the entire package) is what it is. I have had many motorcycles in my 54 years, and this has been the most painful, by far. Hopefully, I am over the hump and things will improve with the V85TT. Ciao!

[@p6x2]

@@MotoTherapy A lot of people will agree that riding a Guzzi is some kind of philosophy. I lived and worked in Italy for about 10 years in multiple locations including Sicily. While in Sicily, 1989, I got a Harley Davidson. Probably the sole HD rider in the entire Sicily at that time. Italian motorbikes always were tasteful and beautiful, some of them not always reliable. But Guzzi was a lot more than the Ducati and Benelli and Laverda.

[@MotoTherapy]

@@p6x2 I completely agree that Guzzi is a philosophy, in the same vein as religions and other movements. There must be a strong emotional component, because concrete metrics such as reliability, performance, and customer service are insufficient to create the brand loyalty that I've seen in the Guzzi community. HD is the same way, in my opinion. I admit that my V85TT purchase was an emotional one, but my emotional interest was dashed by the other metrics I mentioned. I can only hope that I am over the hump with those, and that my emotonal interest will have the space to regroup.

[@phil4986]

Thanks for this. Back to the Japanese bikes for me.

[@MothershipVideos]

Hardly hazel free. Hope all goes well for the future riding.

[@JuChams]

Unfortunately, sometimes a particular bike has way more issues at the start of it's life, and it can happen with any manufacturer. Can even happen with a Honda. I had a 2020 Triumph, which is supposed to be way more reliable than Guzzi, and the bike never stopped to fail me. I now have a 2020 V85TT. The main difference is that when I have any small problem with the Guzzi, like when the rear shock absorber was squeeking, they take the bike, they apologize, and they repair it for free. With the Triumph i had to spend hours to demonstrate the problem, for them to do little to nothing to solve it. It was always a fight to have it taken under warranty, even if the issues were life threatening (multiple fails of the rear shock absorbers leading the bike to shake or have strange trajectories in corners). As said, every manufacturers have to handle a few bikes that will concentrate a lot of problems. What makes a good brand is how they deal with it.

[@MotoTherapy]

One of the additional issues for me was that the Guzzi dealer was 3 hours away.

[@JuChams]

@@MotoTherapy Yeah, it's of course way easier here in Europe for parts and dealerships. Having the heated grips would be a matter of days, if not hours :s With the Piaggio group including Aprilia, I guess there will be more and more dealerships in the US and hubs for parts.

[@nicknethercot902]

Hi I might be wrong but I understand that when bikes are shipped overseas they are shipped dry with no oil or petrol, the dealer is responsible for preparing the bike for the road !

[@MotoTherapy]

I don’t know about the engine oil, but the gear oil is filled at the factory.

[@sjefpeters]

I have the same experience with the heated grips...3 months!!!

[@MotoTherapy]

It’s painful…

[@MontysMotos]

Moto Guzzi is at the mercy of the Piaggio system. It is far behind almost everyone else in the industry. That being said, I worked on the whole piaggio lineup for a few years and Guzzis at least are a good bike. There are usually one or two bugs to work out under warranty and then they're solid.

[@relevation0]

What is up with the Piaggio system?

[@MontysMotos]

@relevation0 Their brands have to get engine management and a host of other parts from the low quality sources of Piaggios choosing. They offer as little support as possible and ask a lot of their dealers. IDK where they are now but a couple short years ago their diagnostics looked like windows 95. Their service resources were equally archaic. You order a part and maybe they send the right one and maybe it's in serviceable condition. Yet, somehow their brands manage to put out great products while jumping the many hurdles that ownership is throwing in front of them.

[@peanutbutter4829]

Other than the heated grips and engine guards, the moral of the story is... The dealership did not PDI that bike correctly! If they did, then they would have seen the rear drive was too full. All dealerships need to have a good rapport with their manufacturer. So, Yes! They are at fault and need to correct their failings... The salesman should have been honest with you on the heated grips instead of trying to sale a bike... Shipping is horrible everywhere.... as far as the bike? They are very reliable and easier to work on than most... Don't give up on her!!!

[@andrewpeter6128]

I dropped the engine oil, transmission oil, and final drive oil first thing. Didn’t trust Luigi. Fingers crossed as it will live in Alaska…where the nearest American dealer is in Seattle.

[@MotoTherapy]

I wish for you a trouble-free ownership experience, and some spectacular touring!

[@gordonLP]

,Sounds unfortunately similar to some other V85 owners, Ilive in the UK near Canterbury, there is a dealer there, but the next one is a long, long away (same as BMW dealers), I'm sticking with my Tiger 900 GT PRO (pity it doesn't have shaft drive though). Cheers, Gordon

[@MotoTherapy]

Thanks for watching and for the comments. Enjoy that Tiger!

[@jamesfracht9659]

I hate to hear this. That sounds awful man. One bad thing after another! I have a 2021 Centenario V85TT that I bought in February 2022 and it just turned 11,000miles. I’ve ridden it to Utah and back from Dallas. Changed all fluids multiple times and no issues. Don’t give up on Guzzi, but you may want to give up that bike. Rubber side down.👍

[@Driftuner]

Sounds to me like all your problems can be traced back to poor dealership performance. Except for the ecu, absolutely all of the problems you mentioned are dealership related. And if theyve managed to screw up that much, it wouldnt surprise me if the ecu problem could be traced back to them. Trust the bike and start taking it somewhere else

[@williamrae9954]

Welcome to the world of Italian bikes(and Italians)! Learn to bodge, a must! There's a reason Italian bike do not compete or the I.o.M TT Races or the World Endurance Championship :) Called character, embrace it, but I don't think your the type? Just watched a guy who has one and he lives in a shipping box, bet he's never stuck? ;)

[@mikehorton8603]

Seems like you have had a real bad run with this bike. Hang in there a little while at least your dealer is honest and also sorting these issues. Had similar issue in the UK with Royal Enfield a catalogue of issues with my himalayan but dealer was not supportive. RE and Moto guzzi in the UK have the same importer who ain't great. Now I have a Honda ATAS ES can't beat Japanese reliability and their systems to ensure everything is in stock generally.

[@luispnrf]

It seems you're the unlucky one. Every mecanical and electronic equipment can have faults. You got a jackpot on both. Mine (the same model from 2021) is running for almost 15000 kilometers without major problems so far. I got the exaust sensor error on the first couple hundred kilometers (but the bike kept running) and the squicky rear shock (still waiting for a replacement).

[@johnhamilton7641]

I really appreciated your thoughtful explanation of what you have gone through with your bike. Who wouldn't be disappointed and frustrated with the same circumstances. For what it's worth I have a 2020 V85TT with almost 23,000 miles on it with absolutely no issues. I took a 5,000 mile trip that took me to NM, CO, UT, WY, MT, ID and back home to TX in the summer of 2021. I've never owned a Moto Guzzi before and was concerned with the lack of dealers in the states I would be traveling through. Luckily I had no need for one. I think I have to agree with Orange Crush that you shouldn't give up on the bike yet. I bought a new BMW R90/6 in 1977 and like you, lived 3+ hours from the dealer in Houston. Before the bike had 2k miles on it, the gearbox started making a ratcheting sound that was obviously not right. I had to truck the bike back to Houston, leave it and come back when I was told it was fixed a couple of weeks later. When I arrived I told the shop I wanted to take it for a ride and of course it was not fixed and made the sound on the test ride. I had to leave it again, drive back to LA, etc., etc. Finally it was fixed but there was some gnashing of teeth and getting Butler & Smith (the U.S. Distributor) involved. I kept that bike for 19 years and loved it and had many adventures on it. Maybe yours is fixed now and it's ready to take you anywhere . Any way whatever you decide thank you for sharing Thank goodness you hadn't posted this right before I left on my trip. I was spooked enough due to having tubed tires (what were they thinking at MG?)

[@MotoTherapy]

Wow...That hassle in Houston is of epic porportions! Thanks for the feedback and encouragement! I hope you are right and that my bike will prove itself trustworthy moving forward. Moto Guzzi (Piaggio) could use some streamlining, too, I think.

[@armadilllo]

🤣🤣🤣when I was looking at these 4 years ago they said heated grips were coming soon, they still don't have them? If it's any consolation my brand new bmw kept going into limp mode, 8 months in the shop until they bought it back, they couldn't fix it. I didn't even get a thousand miles with mine.

[@MotoTherapy]

My heated grips finally showed-up at my doorstep, along with my crash bars. Coincidentally, about 2 weeks after I published this video.

[@armadilllo]

@@MotoTherapy 🤣👍🏼

[@littlefishy6316]

I sold an unreliable (major Japanese brand) bike, couldn't trust it for my daily commute. I'm not saying which bike as it has a rock solid reputation, maybe it had a hard life with it's previous owner (the Police).

[@stoundingresults]

In Southern California I see motorcycle coppers on Bmws 1200s

[@pinkiewerewolf]

This sounds similar to my Pan America ownership.

[@MotoTherapy]

Sorry to hear that!

[@pinkiewerewolf]

@@MotoTherapy Thanks 🙏 It’s a hoot of a bike to ride but the electronics let it down.

[@barendfourie6687]

Yamaha should bring a 850 with shaft drive.

[@MotoTherapy]

That would be fantastic!

[@freedom35pedrick]

Also please try the upmap upgrade

[@erkful]

I feel your pain but mate, harden up it ain’t that big a deal!

[@MotoTherapy]

We all have different expectations for competence and tolerances for incompetence. I guess my expectations for a new machine and for dealership competence are a little different than yours. Safe travels!

[@joe2479]

Who is the dealer? Please tell me because I'm going to purchase one. I'm in Virginia. Thanks.

[@MotoTherapy]

@@joe2479 The dealer is in GA.

[@moppedbuaontour]

That sounds really bad🥺 I‘ve done about 7000miles without any problems, but the spare part situation at MG is a catastrophy also in Europe. I hope it‘ll become better in the future because it seems, that the mother-company of MG (Piaggio) seems to put some money into MG to restart it to a better future…

[@nockianlifter661]

Everything is slow and late after they broke the economy with 2 years of lockdowns. I went to my local dealer to buy a Honda Jazz and delivery is 4 months minimum. I asked if they had a different spec or colour for shorter delivery - but nothing doing.

[@MotoTherapy]

I think the Asian supply chain is even more broken than others (and I suppose it's likely that some of MG's parts are sourced from Asia).

[@corneliuvaleanu5845]

With your observation you made me wish this bike. 😂You must trust yourself to ride.

[@Fernando90054]

Reliability is an important box to tick when we intend to find the dream machine. In my early days as a biker I started with Japanese machines. And they were great as the dealership capacity to solve issues of the bikes. One day I shifted to a not so well established brand and felt immediately that difference. The service was not the same and I saw my self weeks without my bike. Lesson learned. I appreciate a lot some Italian bikes, but I don’t buy it. I don’t say they aren’t reliable because they’re becoming better and better but I think that they’re not at the same level of the Japanese brands or some other Central European manufacturers like BMW to refer an example of what I’m trying to point out. I don’t say that there are no issues with these brands because everything is in constant change, but that’s in the present my opinion. And by the way if you had the drive to choose that brand and that bike which is beautiful, try to stick with it a little longer. Sometimes, things begin bad but confidence can be restored. I had a similar experience with KTM. It was a bike that I adored (SDGT), but unfortunately had to let it go, because I had not the response from the dealership that I thought was to be expected and decided to move on to another business, a new one, and an happier one! Thanks for your honest report about your experience about this machine! Make sure that you feel and ride safe!✌️✌️

[@MotoTherapy]

Excellent wisdom. Thank you!!

[@tomg6284]

It is Italian, you should on the side of the road in a cloud of steam. Haha. I hope you have better luck.

[@BajaTym]

Outstanding review. It sounds like the dealership is doing what they can to rectify your issues. The OEM on the other hand, they need to be pushed hard to remedy these situations. No way should you have to tolerate this many repeated issues on a brand new bike. Don’t take this the wrong way, but IMO, you’re being too kind in regards to how the OEM is treating you. That ECU failure is a major safety concern, pure dangerous, that would’ve been my breaking point! Stay the course and best of luck. I hope it all works out and you get compensated for the issues you’ve experienced. Thanks again for the great review!!

[@MotoTherapy]

Thanks for watching and for sharing your tip!

[@hair2050]

Differential? Best rethinking that one!

[@MotoTherapy]

That is the term used by my dealer. It does seem reasonable to me, but if you have an issue with it, please take it up with them. Maybe you will have better luck!

[@hair2050]

@@MotoTherapy I haven’t looked up a dictionary definition of the term, I must admit. But 🤷‍♂️. It’s a gear transfer only. It’s doesn’t appropriate power to more than one wheel. Anyway thanks for the review. Balanced and reasonable review.

[@MotoTherapy]

@@hair2050 Google "moto guzzi rear differential" and see what appears. Correct or not, it seems to be a commonly used term.

[@hair2050]

@@MotoTherapy I see. Perhaps found its way from Italian into the lexicon for this brand.

[@myveryownchannel]

Italian bikes and electrical issues...

[@sidweazel2883]

The dealer was responsible for the fluids, the lock, the centre stand fitting, and not being aware that this model doesn’t come heated grips. A failing chip is just bad luck. All in all you have a great reliable bike now you’ve sorted all those dealer instigated problems.

[@mikefusco7215]

Welcome to Guzzi ownership and Piaggio's lackadaisical Italian attitude toward customer service. Sorry you had these problems. If you get a good Guzzi, you're lucky, if you get a bad Guzzi, you're kinda screwed by the Mother Company.

[@TXSucks1]

Moto Guzzi makes crap. Get rid of it! I bought an Audace and after 35 miles, it sat in the dealership leaking oil for 6 months waiting for gaskets to come from Italy. I guess they forgot to install the gasket at the factory. I ended up selling it back to the manufacturer under the Lemon law.

[@freedom35pedrick]

I’ve had 4 Moto Guzzis- the last being the Stelvio. All had to have mods done for them to work properly - all had to have their OEM coils- plug cables replaced with NGK, all except the Stelvio, needed an ECU chip upgrade, the Stelvio needed a complete replacement of the “dash” instrument unit (fried in a rain storm). But once done, the bikes were simply awesome - guzzi is guzzi. An acquired taste. Cheers.

[@geecee4746]

Hi, i had the same problem with oil from final drive, but was an easy fix, and bike is running perfectly, really love the machine, hopefully the gremlins are over for you, and after another bit of mileage, you will have faith again

[@MotoTherapy]

Thanks! I hope so, too!

[@bagaati]

i dont think the bike comes with any liquid inside. the dealer fills up the bike and wakes up the bike with a diagnostic tool.

[@MotoTherapy]

The rear diff is filled at the factory

[@jacquesmelkenbeke3703]

Bought a V85 TT travel some 5 months ago and most of your problems, heated hand grips, paniers , etc are included on this version. Very satisfied with the bike so far as I had enough of speed and racing. However the switch from FJR 1300 to the Guzzi was a cultural chock in driving. Seems dealers in USA are not the top level, but here in Belgium my VRA dealer is top, service and friendly. Overtime you will appreciate the bike where it was made for. Keep it safe.

[@MotoTherapy]

Thank you for watching and for your response. Drink a Westmalle Tripel for me if you can, too ;-)

[@kor2112]

Sounds like mostly a dealer issue, with supply chain issues. I have a 2020 and no issues. My dealer is pretty good though, AF1 racing.

[@tDes865]

I have a V7 stone, virtually the same engine (detuned) and drivetrain..4200 miles with zero issues..I absolutely love this bike, more than any cycle I’ve ever owned. Seems like most of the issues are dealer issues.

[@ALIENdrifter66]

So you're saying that a bike you have barely used (4200 miles) is a good example to test reliability?

[@billcope7434]

mine has 9500 miles in less than a year

[@sommebuddy]

I too own a Centenario, and yes , the supply chain problem for parts stinks. My dealer was great, they basically ordered me Givi crash bars, as they knew it could be a while for the OEM bars. The givis are better, and look better. As a 40 year plus rider, this little Guzzi may be the best ride I have had, maybe I am just old?. I have resigned myself to the fact all maintenance, and most repairs are up to me, as my dealer is 2 hours out. The stock Dunlops are OK, but basically street tires , with a few grooves, yet i have put a few thousand miles of gravel, dirt, and road on them with varying results. I am looking at putting some 50/50 tires on this winter. Good videos, I subscribed.

[@MotoTherapy]

Thanks for watching and for the feedback on Guzzi. I'm doing my best to reset my outlook! Best wishes!

[@padmify]

Such a shame that you've had such a bad experience. I've ridden the very same Centenario hard from new for 16,000 touring miles, often in very harsh conditions. So far, it's been the most reliable bike I've ever owned. My only issue has been a tiny oil leak in the engine casing, which they fixed by resealing the parts in an afternoon. It just shows that peoples' experiences are so reliant on the reliability of individual bikes. Hopefully it won't give you any more trouble.

[@MotoTherapy]

Thank you for sharing!

[@mikeredner]

Ditto that! It seems that MG either gets it right the first time, or you have 2-3 warranty issues. My dealership is a good one, but parts availibility /delivery is really poor. My V85 now is 2 years old with 25,000 miles on it and going strong! Once you get the "bugs" out of it YOU'LL LOVE IT!! Put up with it, the best is yet to come!

[@ThatGermanFella]

Thanks for sharing, I owned my V85 now for almost 2 years along with 2 more bikes from the Piaggio Group, I am just about to post my new video as well, and spoiler alert, I came to the same conclusion. Great bikes in their own right but I just don't trust them! I can relate to your troubles and the best advice I can give is if you really like the V85, have a backup that you trust, at least that is where I am at for the moment.

[@billh4301]

You sure had problems pile up. 4k miles on my 2020 with no problems. I never heard someone call the V85 having a "horizontal " motor before. Regarding the heated grips and engine guards why not get aftermarket? I waited over 2 months for a fuel part for a 2009 Harley sports sportster that was used for at least 13 years. I think the dealer didn't do a proper set up as rear oil level should have been checked.

[@MotoTherapy]

Why not aftermarket? Because I was stupid enough to pay for them (grips and crash bars) with the bike purchase.

[@splodge5714]

Nice bike, plenty of character. Hopefully a few teething issues and it will run the next 50,000 miles with no problems. When your nearest dealer is 3 hours away maybe a Japanese bike is the best option, more trouble free than Guzzi and BMW. Id forget the heated grips and ask the dealer to buy you a good pair of battery powered heated gloves.

[@233kosta]

My Keis gloves are heated on the outside, but not the inside. I assume they're designed to work with heated grips. Either way, without deflectors, the wind at 50+mph is enough to negate most of the heating when it's cold enough outside.

[@mvd944l]

My Wife and I have a pair of 2022 v85's, Luckily apart from my wife's bike leaking from the final drive which was "checked" at the first service they have been great although my dealer experience was poor. We have done 8000 miles this Summer and now they are garaged for the winter, we will see what 2023 brings. We ride a pair of BMW GS650 through the winter, they have been problematic over the last 50,000 miles but I think now I have got to the bottom of the issues! If you do the miles, shit will happen but your experience is terrible, hopefully Guzzi will sort you out (We are in the UK and Piaggio service is shocking here as well.) Keep the faith

[@MotoTherapy]

My first ADV bike was an '02 F650GS Dakar (I bought it used). It's the one bike I wish I had never sold! Thanks for sharing your experiences, and best wishes!

[@4mescott]

You are 100% correct in saying your experience is an Outlier Situation... everyone everywhere, USA and globally, all the reviews, short-term and long-term both, are all total love-fests, as you pointed out. Observation Number One... the oil over-fill was a factory problem from Day One, I'm surprised the factory hadn't resolved that, and I suppose also surprised the dealer didn't confirm it. Which reminds me, I need to confirm that on my own V85TT. I have a "Guardian of the Oreos" model and so far, (still very new) I am super-happy with it. And that is based on some 45 years on motorcycles of every sort and nationality. The Guardian comes with everything already installed, except heated grips... I'd inquired as to adding heated grips, the dealer had them in stock, I saw the box, but between the grips and the labor to install he suggested an electric, heated First Gear jacket, gloves and controller might be a better option for the same money? After contemplation I chose to go that route, figuring a warm core and warm hands are better than warm hands only! They also make heated pants and sox... I don't ride in freezing temps but my hands are very sensitive to cold weather and then take forever to warm back up. They were nice enough to install the power lead for me on delivery day, no charge. Observation Number Two: If you open up the seat, you'll see that the ECU is made by Magnetti Marelli (not sure of the spelling here, the sticker covered up the whole name) but between those guys and Bosch that is the huge share of the "ECU Producer's Membership Club". Moto Guzzi does not make the part; they buy it just like everyone else does. Double-extra kudos to your dealer, cannibalizing another bike for the ECU swap was an awesome and unexpected result for you... good luck getting a car dealer to do that for you! But I think I'd call the ECU failure just a freak occurrence, upsetting yes, but you've been riding the bike ever since and have had no problems, at least none mentioned in your post. I struggled greatly on the model... Centenario, the yellow-white-red, in-your-face model, or maybe the travel? The Centenario is an awesome livery, I was set to go that route when the Guardian popped up. As my final observation, I too am in South Carolina, down here in The Dirty Myrtle. By your description of the time to the dealership I'd suggest you look to the north and an hour's less travel time, the folks there are absolutely awesome and as I mentioned they have parts in stock. You might be able to get your crash bars there, but since the heated grips are goanna be free, and installed free too, I imagine you'll wait on the shop to hook you up on that. Since I was already watching, I went ahead and did the Like and Subscribe thing and watched some of your other posts... especially thanks for all the route info included in the Views and Brews... I've ridden much of that general area but at least a few of those roads I did not recognize, I can add them to a route map for use after the mountain snow season is over!

[@woodnbow]

MM made the ECU for Harley when they made their first fuel injected bikes back in the late 1990’s. They were flawless although no way to modify them for aftermarket exhaust, intake or cams.

[@stevemackaway]

Thanks for sharing, I've had no problems in 6000km but I concur with dealing with Guzzie but I have given them slack for covid logistic issues with oil filters etc. Beautiful scenery in your video!

[@cliveomahoney4096]

You can get Oxford heated grips for a few dollars as a stop gap. They're excellent. Certainly warmer than anything Yamaha can come up with.

[@MotoTherapy]

I have Oxfords on another bike...they do work great, as you say! I am just holding out for the OEMs, as they more cleanly integrate with the bike's menu (the Oxford control box is clunky/ugly).

[@antonio7334]

By “a few dollars” you mean $100 USD?? The way u said it made it sound like sub $30

[@sgomez3047]

You're too nice...sounds like the dealer blows!!! And you're letting the dealer off the hook

[@MickH60]

Your dealer is bad mate, unacceptable incompetence....

[@bonesworld7178]

I have a 2022 as well. I have not had the issues that you are. Supplier issues let alone international supplier issues is somewhat to be expected right now. The ECU is a fluke. However, what bothers me is these freaking dealers and how much they charge for freight and set up and all this other crap and not actually do their checks. I work for a dealer for about 15 years and we were very thorough about creating our own checklists for pre delivery. Some of these dealers are charging ridiculous amounts for setup and not doing it is b*******. Love my bike. But I can totally see how you would be Really frustrated

[@evilwestsidefan9249]

Sounds Italian it's all custom so mods you swim up stream. I have a Concours 14 recently dropped it in my garage taking a swing at a Horse Fly had to get my neighbor to help me pick it up. Based on your comments my next bike might be a Ninja 1000sx with side cases. I don't need to drive off road and I can pick up the 1000 no problem if something happens.

[@dennisherreid5393]

I bought two M-G's. Both had issues that should never happen. Never again.

[@mehdibb4186]

I won’t even get near a Guzzi solely because the dealer near me is horrible

[@749corsa]

Thanks for sharing your experience, although I'm sure somewhat painful. I really hope you are through with all these problems that never should have occurred, especially 3 years I to production. Best of luck, and please follow up with another update in a few thousand miles, good or bad.

[@fredforsythe8310]

Trying to maintain equity with more modern, powerful machinery is not very clever. The basic engine is old technology and designed for more moderate power levels. I have a Roamer, 55hp, plenty of character, cruises all day at 70 in top and has enough grunt to overtake without trauma. It is light, low CoG and handles beautifully. Guzzi needs to do what Guzzi does best, buils character, comfort and mechanical simplicity.

[@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449]

You have just had a bad run . I haven’t had any problems. A previous bike I owned I had no or little problems,we’re a mate had nothing but problems with his . Also another new bike I owned I had 2 major issues in around 1500 kms ( after they were sorted I never had another when I sold at 30,000 miles . )

[@philipdarnall787]

I feel your pain. My KTM 1290 SDGT had the same type of teething issues during its first year of life. 21K miles later I still look at it and ask myself: will the beast strand me today?

[@John_Ridley]

What a shit show. I was kind of looking at Moto Guzzi for my next bike, but I think I'll go for Triumph instead.

[@bm7760]

Hard to regain faith in a bike once you've lost it. My Guzzi used to eat relays but was otherwise ok. I'm tempted to buy another. Edit: Forgot to mention the $900 NZ my Christchurch-based dealer quoted me for a fuel pump! Found a used Ford one of the same specification for $40. So, yeah, there was that.

[@bm7760]

Forgot about this comment until someone liked it. Made me laugh as I've since bought two Guzzis... 2001 and 2009.

[@bananafoneable]

ECU dying? Thats BIG. Get that outta here. ** Edit: I read you did grt rid of it. Even if you don't blame the manufacturer and all its motorcycles, that specific motorcycle is not confidence inspiring.

[@svetozarc]

I do hope that you change dealer till now...all mentioned dealer issue...Bike might not be best on the market but far more value for money compare to others in same class

[@TerrenceLP]

That shop sucks, if they don't care about the nuance of an Italian bike, then don't sell it. My 2002 Aprilia Caponord was the same story new! Even catching fire 🚒🔥 13k later its the best tourer iv ever had. And im running Honda coils and plugs 😂 something's never change🎉