Honda K-Series Cylinder Head Tech

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MotoIQ

MotoIQ

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@Inconspicuoustwrex
@Inconspicuoustwrex Жыл бұрын
I'm an aerospace/mechanical engineer that works on flying things for a living. This breakdown of material selection is world class and needs to be shown in engineering schools.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@findtherightbeat
@findtherightbeat Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq Please do a camshaft video series, Mike! 🙏🏾
@BrodeyDoverosx
@BrodeyDoverosx Жыл бұрын
All of us engineers know that this would never happen.
@bobby7220
@bobby7220 Жыл бұрын
Yeah as an engineer this stuff hits different 🤩🤩🤩🤩
@tigerrider6711
@tigerrider6711 11 ай бұрын
Materials engineer here and appreciate the crystal structure talk too lol
@Kaohteeko
@Kaohteeko Жыл бұрын
With all due respect; this gentleman is like Mr. Miyagi of the tuner world. Wise and Majestic, calm demeanor make his plethora of knowledge a treat to learn from. Love the channel; please continue the K series content; and more of the Project EP3!
@arvinsanolin3110
@arvinsanolin3110 2 ай бұрын
💪🏾⚙️🔧🏍🏎🚘
@kuhak5787
@kuhak5787 Жыл бұрын
Such a smart person I own a car service is Bulgaria trying to do some stuff different from the normal I like u a lot and u are inspiration for me. It was a hobby and now it’s a job I learn a lot from u! Thank you and keep upload❤
@SamuelsShea
@SamuelsShea Жыл бұрын
I would love to see this kind of video for the B-series engines. They're old tech compared to the K, but they're still pretty widespread and it would be a great video.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Next time we get one in we will do it. We just love the K!
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
We documented a B series build here, we actually get more power nowadays with better cams, manifolds, headwork and headers now available, we learned a lot since them. But for a mild pump gas build, this series is still very relevant. motoiq.com/category/projects/honda/ej-civic/
@streetassasinGSR96
@streetassasinGSR96 Жыл бұрын
I feel like with all the aftermarket tech and the diminishing B motors that people want $4500 for… you’re better off going k series. However, this comes from thought of savings, power and ease of build. Meaning, if you have to go B series because they are the best sounding motors ever or simply because you just want to. Do your thing!!! GSR is the most fun stock motor I’ve ever had. And were the door into the K series. 🤜🏻
@baconfister
@baconfister 11 ай бұрын
Another super amazing video. Was brought to this video via suggestion from my having viewed the K24A bottom end build video. Pure magical money.
@fewhavestrength
@fewhavestrength Жыл бұрын
Oh boy couldn't click on this quick enough, cheers mike for all you do. Especially on the k-series 🤘🏻
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Be sure and check out our bottom end video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qITUf3mEhLmXfa8
@Doty6String
@Doty6String 11 ай бұрын
That cam knowledge is pretty amazing.
@RDGarage
@RDGarage Жыл бұрын
Perfect timing cause I just took mine apart yesterday! I'm guessing mine and your customer's are going to be very similar builds. Great video as usual. ☺
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@KAMMEDIALLC
@KAMMEDIALLC Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video on building a K-series engine for a turbo or supercharger. Discuss compression ratios, valve train options, and bottom end considerations. Thanks for the great videos!
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
motoiq.com/extreme-engine-tech-building-the-ultimate-k24-part-3-the-finished-goods/ It is kinda old and there are better options now days but here is what we did. Most K motors customers want big NA power.
@user-ki8zf1rp1e
@user-ki8zf1rp1e Жыл бұрын
​@@motoiqI've got a friend interested in building a turbo K24/20 to be used in a daily street car. Everyone has their own interpretation on the max rev limit for a K24, would you suggest 7500rpm limit as an all the time limit? People have gone further it appears long-term reliability becomes a concern.
@motogeee510
@motogeee510 Жыл бұрын
I love videos like this. Your experience with TRD definitely makes me know you're legit.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that! A lot of 4AG "Experts" apparently dismiss that.
@jaynuck
@jaynuck Жыл бұрын
Thanks for giving Honda some love.
@htthepunk
@htthepunk Жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! Thanks for another great video Mike.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Enjoy!
@Adrian868_
@Adrian868_ Жыл бұрын
This was very well done. Long live the 4A-GE 16V
@nightshift3123
@nightshift3123 Жыл бұрын
I love your breakdown and explanation of engines, components and theory. Thank you for taking the time to teach us ❤
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@CountryBoyShane
@CountryBoyShane Жыл бұрын
I don't even have a K motor yet for my Lotus, and I'm DIGGING THIS VIDEO!
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Be sure and check out our bottom end video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qITUf3mEhLmXfa8
@CountryBoyShane
@CountryBoyShane Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq Don't worry, bookmarked it!
@jdmimportlogistics
@jdmimportlogistics 7 ай бұрын
Exactly just buying a JDM K24A2 to swap into another vehicle but the end goal is a fully built supercharged Frankenstein to throw into a cheap Elise
@chadwickwicky67
@chadwickwicky67 Ай бұрын
Haha just got home from work, long day, tired , hungry, can’t wait to go in but , turned car off , still sitting and listening 🤣, such great brain food info on important fun K20 stuff 😜 eat , sleep , drive , listen to, watch K20 stuff. Soothes the brain and soul 😊
@SpoonerTuner
@SpoonerTuner Жыл бұрын
Never disappointing watching your videos. Thanks so much!!
@RDGarage
@RDGarage 11 ай бұрын
"If you like this content" sheesh, I LOVE this content!! Don't mind me, just stopping by for a rewatch. ;)
@calebyoung1579
@calebyoung1579 Жыл бұрын
Always smiling man. This is college right here, boys.
@dTheHammerb
@dTheHammerb Жыл бұрын
Wooo yeah! K Series ONLY
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Be sure and check out our bottom end video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qITUf3mEhLmXfa8
@mudvayne9790
@mudvayne9790 Жыл бұрын
Need to send this video to gears and gasoline
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure their engine didn't make good power because the cams were too small, it had a stock head, possibly the headers and exhaust were a wrong match and RWD drivetrains eat about 5-10% more power on the dyno than FWD. That being said, I don't think making maximum streetable power was their goal, it was more about reaching 10k rpm. The build and parts selection were solid.
@ThatOTAKU
@ThatOTAKU Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq hahah, the timing on releasing the video is almost convenient
@BlueRice
@BlueRice Жыл бұрын
@MotoIQ yes thank you. I debated with people that rwd will have more loss of power than fwd. I always said, fwd is faster than rwd to certain power, even with some wheel spins. Maybe at 350hp plus than rwd would be more beneficial. That's my thought.
@nightshift3123
@nightshift3123 Жыл бұрын
For what?
@claudedottin1312
@claudedottin1312 Жыл бұрын
Send to Jimmy Oakes
@BulliKid
@BulliKid Жыл бұрын
This guy is smart! I would let him build my motor any day of the week.
@daniallegacy
@daniallegacy Жыл бұрын
Video: Showcase part swap explainer Me: ooooh another Tuner podcast, this one's gold!
@Edison73100
@Edison73100 Жыл бұрын
Just great as usual
@aDaWaN
@aDaWaN Жыл бұрын
You said a smaller throttle body helps with throttle response, but I guess you meant throttle control? With big throttles it is hard to control the torque when road racing, the response is usually quite excellent. Also cool to know cyro and WPC does lengthen service life when you go far outside the OEM design parameters, I did not expect that. As usual thanks for the video!
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Yes what you said.
@Mad_Martigan_MD
@Mad_Martigan_MD Жыл бұрын
This guy is a car wizard!!
@konholio2
@konholio2 Жыл бұрын
Amazing content as always!
@Obi_Juan_C
@Obi_Juan_C Жыл бұрын
I love your videos guys. You do a great job at explaining technical nuances in a manner that make sense to everyone. I was wondering what Mike’s background is. Where did he get training and does he have a material engineering degree because he is super knowledgeable?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
I am a mechanical engineer with an OEM Manufacture and Motorsports background.
@sloqlap
@sloqlap Жыл бұрын
I would love to see these Drag Cartell heads for the L28 like you see from Datsunworks in their KN20.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
That's a cool kit!
@Boonexctf
@Boonexctf Жыл бұрын
Great video! Great information about the ins and outs of the K series!
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@rjnicolas4312
@rjnicolas4312 Жыл бұрын
AMAZING episode
@FG2-K24A
@FG2-K24A Жыл бұрын
Love these videos. Great job explaining everything 👍 Honda K-Series engines are fantastic
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍
@NAmania
@NAmania Жыл бұрын
0:20 Imagine him ending the video right there after that sentence! 😂
@jackyyeung7903
@jackyyeung7903 Жыл бұрын
Very informative video. Thank you!
@soto575
@soto575 5 ай бұрын
Great videos.But we want some love for the F Series too . We need to tune them!!
@giorgitkebuchava8868
@giorgitkebuchava8868 Жыл бұрын
your videos are best..
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@weduhpeople8504
@weduhpeople8504 Жыл бұрын
There are cnc porting services that map out ports on a computer then are they bench flow tested to see the results? I went with a decades experienced Honda head porter that does all this by hand you may know. Tom of Portflow in Harbor City Ca for my K20c1 head and the results along with radius valve job, upgraded valve train using Ferrea components and a 4 Piston TR2 camshafts has performed very well removing that fuel tumbling bottle neck flowing about 300 cfm now.
@MrGrossbaff
@MrGrossbaff 6 ай бұрын
I'm surprised you recommand the RBC instead of the RRC intake manifold, i've tried to find more informations about intakes manifolds for my type R and it was allways the RRC one that was recommanded. I loved the vidéo ! i've learned a lot , Thank you !
@motoiq
@motoiq 6 ай бұрын
Both are good manifolds, the RRC manifold might be better with a DBW throttle.
@mitchellcameronsantos9038
@mitchellcameronsantos9038 Жыл бұрын
I wanna know your options on engine oil and lubricants tbh
@evoson5229
@evoson5229 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, saved!
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@CarlosFlores-dy4sk
@CarlosFlores-dy4sk Жыл бұрын
I love your videos and all the science behind your videos. Could you make a video on the H/F series. Im building a nice road race f20b and would like to learn more it. Thank you
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
If someone wants us to we will, we have a customer interested in an H Series build so we may have one somewhat soon.
@kimai1641
@kimai1641 Жыл бұрын
Another informative video. Thanks Bruddah!
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
You bet!
@BlueRice
@BlueRice Жыл бұрын
You seem smart enough to actually engineer a really good engine for car manufacturers.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Some aspects of it for sure but there is a lot of stuff going on in engines now days that makes it beyond the ability of just one person.
@BlueRice
@BlueRice Жыл бұрын
@MotoIQ I understand that. It takes a team of engineers to design an engine. Market team to see if its cost effective. Like ayrton senna, he stress that nsx chassis should be more stiff. You could could be the one convinced everyone to add all the performance feature.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
No one listened to me when I was working at a big auto manufacture hahahaha.
@grahamcole5227
@grahamcole5227 7 ай бұрын
Thanks once again for a massively informative video. Do you have any leads on where to get the best Mega-lightweight VTEC Killer kit for my out and out circuit race engine ?
@motoiq
@motoiq 7 ай бұрын
Ferrea makes them.
@grahamcole5227
@grahamcole5227 7 ай бұрын
@@motoiq Thanks.
@MrTravis789
@MrTravis789 25 күн бұрын
Chevrolet nitrided the cranks of corvair turbos in the sixties. That was one of the main difference, along with chrome rings
@user-he1pz7gm7e
@user-he1pz7gm7e Жыл бұрын
Great videos as always. I have an 08 civic si with 04-08 TSX K24 bottom end. Bottom only has type R ported oil pump and fluidampr balancer. The top end I went all out. 4P 156 cnc ported head with everything and their RR3 cams with 50* gear. I am hearing all different things on max safe rpm and max VTC safely??? This thing runs amazing with only using 30*, but can I use more safely? Can valve to Piston clearance be checked with a bore scope?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
With a stock bottom end, I would not take it past 8k. If you do track days, 7800 is a good limit. The rod bolts can break. Excellent head choice BTW. We rev VTC engines to 9k plus a little. You probably can check piston-to-valve and valve-to-valve clearance with a borescope. We use clay. You need to lock the VTC in the max advanced position when doing this. The good thing about running a 4P combo is they probably can tell you whats safe because they engineered the combo, if you mix and match parts, that's when you need to check clearances yourself.
@someidiot1984
@someidiot1984 Жыл бұрын
SO . MUCH. KNOWLEDGE.
@BigBear--
@BigBear-- 10 ай бұрын
I'm curious what they can do with a like a K20C1 in the FK8/FL5 Type-R's. Specifically like a bulletproof reliable street/track setup for these.
@noskills9577
@noskills9577 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@matthewadkins9810
@matthewadkins9810 Жыл бұрын
I really wish you Moto-IQ would do a series on the 2ZZ-GE, I'm planning on building a streatable N/A Celica GT-S and the info would be invaluable! Really wanna know what power numbers could be had with WPC treating a 2ZZ-GE. Thanks for the excellent content Mike and the team at Moto-IQ! Been a fan for over 10 years and the content just keeps getting better.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
They just don't seem to go that well. No aftermarket support for them as well. We will build one but they are not too popular, the Celica's were not popular cars to be modded and Lotus people rip them out and put K motors in.
@matthewadkins9810
@matthewadkins9810 Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq True, those are some very good points. I have an RSX-S thats a mild steet build, so I get to have all te K series fun I want. Just have always had a soft spot for the Celicas.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Once you play with K motors you won't go back!
@Chilicharger665
@Chilicharger665 Жыл бұрын
I just had a 2ZZ swapped into a 2002 MR2 Spyder... it blew after 75 miles. There are K swaps available, but they will run around 10k with a junkyard K and RSX-S trans.
@matthewadkins9810
@matthewadkins9810 Жыл бұрын
@@Chilicharger665 It's too bad the 2zz didn't come with iron cylinder wall from factory, ive heard a lot of 2zz issues come from those metal matrix cylinder walls.
@DrSlideit
@DrSlideit Жыл бұрын
Thank you man!! 🙏🏽✌🏽
@donkyuhbuhts540
@donkyuhbuhts540 Жыл бұрын
God these videos are awesome
@antiflg530
@antiflg530 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love these videos, can you touch ok the right compression for the right build?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
The three main things are; forced induction, NA, fuel type
@billyrosewood5474
@billyrosewood5474 Жыл бұрын
Any chance you guys could do an in-depth look at the FA20 in the 86/BRZ/FRS, for a track car build?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
We did on our website motoiq.com/building-an-fa20-race-engine-for-michele-abbate-part-1/ motoiq.com/building-an-fa20-race-engine-for-michele-abbate-part-2/
@punkaddic
@punkaddic Жыл бұрын
what's a good header for this kind of build ? Also is it worth port matching the RBC manifold to the type S cylinder head ?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
We like ASP headers for strong K motors. www.aspheaders.com/ For race motors, myerscompetition.bigcartel.com/ Yes, match porting is good. Just don't make the manifold bigger than the intake port and take manifold alignment into consideration.
@mechticulous8202
@mechticulous8202 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tuner Dad.
@slfrules1
@slfrules1 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if a ceramic coating like what Swain Tech offers could compliment the cryo and WPC in extending spring life. It's supposed to hold onto oil to help control temps like you were mentioning. Thinking about it the surface finish created by WPC might already do that about as well as an oleophilic compound and is why they're staying cooler and living better. Thank you for the great camshaft info! I'd never heard of an inverted flank! Heck i never even considered that profiles would have to be different between cam on bucket and all the follower systems. I've got some research to do!
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Swains ceramic coating doesnt flex well and would flake off and also hold heat in. Swains black body radiation coating might be a better choice. The trouble is coatings don't stick to WPC treated surfaces very well.
@slfrules1
@slfrules1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Thinking about it this is at least the second time you've explained this to me You're awesome! I promise i'll be better
@SavageBunny1
@SavageBunny1 Жыл бұрын
Once you WPC treat, you'll never go back to coatings to reduce friction.
@osXFan
@osXFan Жыл бұрын
When speaking about the RBC and the Throttle bodies, a common thing to do is re-route/delete the coolant going to the throttle body and use isolating (thermal) gaskets from the throttle body back, would IAT effect performance more on top of the RBC to begin with? For instance I can comfortably hold my hand on my RBC manifold after a long drive, is it a quantifiable amount?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Some testing others have done recently shows that the gains are so small they hard to measure. My opinion is that its cheap and sure doesnt hurt to make the intake cooler so do it.
@chadwickwicky67
@chadwickwicky67 Ай бұрын
Requesting a k20 NOS vid! unless I missed it. I’ll try searching again.
@motoiq
@motoiq Ай бұрын
Not likely that we do specific NOS videos
@kingmaybus8409
@kingmaybus8409 Жыл бұрын
The k is great but I'm excited about the new j35y8!!!! Finally the nsx dohc head on a 3+ liter v6!!! I want to swap my S2000 this summer could you touch base on the j35y8?
@08CL9
@08CL9 Жыл бұрын
Excellent content as usual!! I currently have a JDM K24a2 long block with full bolt ons and oil pump upgrade, head has DC 2.2s and supertech valvetrain with 50°vtc Would there be any benefit in porting my head or do I need higher compression pistons to take advantage of it? Running on 91 octane? Also i have a J37 throttle body with 80mm inlet that tappers down to 70mm outlet, is it best to have the cold air intake pipe the same size as the throttle body inlet or would I benefit going slightly bigger to say 3.5 inch piping?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
The K20A head flows better, we uses ported K20A heads on our builds. 3.5 is probably too big, probably 3.25 is good.
@soldiermedic81
@soldiermedic81 Жыл бұрын
I love his videos.
@claudedottin1312
@claudedottin1312 Жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to get video for 4b11T, D16z6 and or F20b? Also appreciate the video
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
If you go to motoiq.com/ we have articles on building the 4B11 and F20B
@claudedottin1312
@claudedottin1312 Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq ohhhh thank you very much.
@WalkerKlondyke
@WalkerKlondyke Жыл бұрын
This series is fantastic! Thanks so much. What about the J motors? More cylinders, more better, right??
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
J motor is a good cheap swap but more for street and strip stuff, I would much rather have 150-175 fewer lbs on the nose of an already nose-heavy FF car. Also, the K motor is awesome and a J is just a blah SOHC engine and the Few DOHC versions are not Vtec.
@devinward8660
@devinward8660 Жыл бұрын
How do the Duratec 4 cylinder engines stack up to their contemporaries? I have read about them putting down some pretty respectful N/A numbers with cams and was curious if you guys have any experience working with them? I love your content by the way!
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
They are strong motors and are good for forced induction. They are not going to outpower a K motor NA though.
@Pursuit_Of_Speed
@Pursuit_Of_Speed Жыл бұрын
Could you do a comparison between the a K series and a FA head to show why the K series flows so well?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
The heads are so different it's sort of pointless. The K series flows and order of magnitude better.
@p0intdk
@p0intdk Жыл бұрын
In a track/time attack application with a close ratio gearbox on a turbo motor, would it make sense to get rid of vtec there? I have heard the vtec mechanism is very violent on valve springs.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
I would probably keep it, I would review data to see if deleting VTec would hurt. In most cases it would.
@ThunderGoatz
@ThunderGoatz Жыл бұрын
When you were speaking about HP numbers, I struggled to understand if you are talking about boosted or NA. I'm assuming boosted ?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
NA
@ThunderGoatz
@ThunderGoatz Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq I need a K series in my life
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
That's why we love these engines. I the video I was talking bout more torque and power than a Turbo SR20DET!
@tavarisjones551
@tavarisjones551 Жыл бұрын
I'm quite certain that this guy has forgotten more than most of us will ever know. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@Yakub-2004
@Yakub-2004 Жыл бұрын
With this setup can you put a turbo on it to make more power and still be reliable? Or is this just more for a natural aspirated build?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
You need different pistons, maybe closed deck and a different cam.
@justinmiller1191
@justinmiller1191 Жыл бұрын
How about some VW 20 valve content?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
That is coming, we are going to do an FBO 6th gen GTI.
@arthurportillo9753
@arthurportillo9753 Жыл бұрын
I gotta k20a2 that had a blown head gasket sitting in the garage for almost 3 years now
@jasaircraft
@jasaircraft Жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on what manual transmissions can hold to this type of power and their ratios please?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
What level of power. The FWD six speed is good for about the high 300's. There are options to handle more power, the costs go way up.
@יהונתןבוסקילה
@יהונתןבוסקילה Жыл бұрын
Hey what is the purpose of the 2 springs of the valves?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
More pressure on the valve seat
@mohdshahedab7232
@mohdshahedab7232 Жыл бұрын
Very nice gentleman
@hibs5516
@hibs5516 Жыл бұрын
What is the service life like for a set of titanium retainers in a street car?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
About as long as steel.
@hibs5516
@hibs5516 Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq, thank you.
@dTheHammerb
@dTheHammerb Жыл бұрын
Hey guys. Question about throttle body size and turbo applications. Would it be beneficial on a turbo setup to have a 90mm throttle body with a centerfeed, (center-inlet as you mentioned) intake manifold? My second question is about having a centerfeed intake manifold and running the risk of getting major heat soak because the intake is generally right behind the radiator. Let me know what your thoughts are please, I really appreciate it. Thank for all ya's do. Cheers from Canada, Ontario!
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
For a drag car yes, for anything else no. Heat soak is a minor issue. Sure it's better to duct the radiator but the power loss due to the radiator discharge is negligible.
@marvinreyes6270
@marvinreyes6270 Ай бұрын
Hi just asking which one is good head rsp2 or rbc2
@motoiq
@motoiq Ай бұрын
RSP head is the best
@akramdastager45
@akramdastager45 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, What you think of the Skunk2 ultra 1 camshaft on a k20?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
We prefer Drag Cartel very much.
@choco107
@choco107 5 ай бұрын
Broad question. Currently building a miata. I have a k20a from the cl7 accord. Would the k20 be ok to get about 260 flywheel with bolt ons drop in cams. Or would i be better off with a k24 bottom end with the k20a stock head ?
@motoiq
@motoiq 4 ай бұрын
Either can make the power, of course the 2.4 will have a wide powerband.
@andyzs2k
@andyzs2k 10 ай бұрын
Did you use flat face valve for that build? Im only asking because I used supertech flat face valves on my f20c build to get little more compression
@motoiq
@motoiq 10 ай бұрын
Yes in this engine we did.
@andyzs2k
@andyzs2k 9 ай бұрын
@motoiq thanks for your response!!
@dennisyoung1521
@dennisyoung1521 Жыл бұрын
I love your informative videos. Keep up the good work. How much does the compression ratio affect the power output? Max compression I as thinking was 12:1. Basically looking at building a road race engine run on 98 octane gas. Is it ok to skimp money on say pistons and spend more on the head and cams?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
No, don't do that. If anything spend less on the head porting.
@dennisyoung1521
@dennisyoung1521 Жыл бұрын
But isn't the head where most of the power is found? The power figures you mention in the videos are these at the crank?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
You break a ring land or the pin boss pushing stock pistons, you are in for a world of hurt. You don't port the head you just make less power.
@satchmo-k24
@satchmo-k24 Жыл бұрын
What valve job & throat cut works best for better flow?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
We do a CNC cut radius.
@LovesHina
@LovesHina Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see some comparisons between the k and ka motors. Considering how much power the k24 is capable of, it confounds me that its so difficult to get 200whp na out of the ka24 with their relatively similar overall geometry. Do you guys have any insight there?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Its all in the cylinder head. The K motors ports flow way more than the KA. The K motors finger follower valvetrain can also provide way better valve motion than the KA small diameter shim on bucket.
@LovesHina
@LovesHina Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq Thanks for the reply. Thats about what I thought. So a proper valve job, cam, and port and polish would be the best bet then? I'm also interested in the bc fully balanced crank, but am not sure if its worth the investment.
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
I would not bother trying to chase the K motor for NA power.
@boblast5582
@boblast5582 Жыл бұрын
you mentioned that this is a street/track day engine. A lot of the details you went into mentioned stuff like cryo/wpc/shotpeen/whatever other treatment helps the stuff last long and you don't have to replace it every season but maybe every other season. obviously nobody is expecting a 2.4 liter engine belting out over 300hp to last as long as an oem engine, but what are you expecting out of it? whats maintenance look like on an engine like this? are we talking an annual disassembly and inspection and replace whats needed kinda thing? if yes, is it a full engine rebuild? or are you looking at a few specific areas? and if yes, how many miles are you thinking for this? cause annually can be like 2k miles for some people and like 15k for others. If its not an annual thing, how long do you expect it to last without opening it up? What kind of maintenance other than oil chances should I expect to do? I'm assuming valve lash adjustment should happen a lot more often? How often? I've been doing a bit more in depth research on built K20/24's as I'm getting ready to do one prolly early next year. the biggest thing I can't nail down is any cams bigger than OEM and timing chain tensioners. Some people say any non-OEM cam will kill a stock tensioner within days. An upgraded one like InlinePro or K-Tuned is a bit better but still goes fast. And when it goes it likely takes the engine with it. Then others say an upgraded tensioner solves the problem and its no longer an issue. Others still say its not the tensioner but the oil pump chain setup and upgrading to Drag Cartel's lower chain guide solves the problem. Can you chime in on this? What do you do the the chain tensioner? Anything for the oil pump chain? Keyed crank timing gear?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
I feel that a forged piston engine wears out faster than a modern stock engine and is good for about 100k miles. Your mileage can vary due to your driving habits. I recommend 3k mile oil change intervals on the street and 1-2k intervals if running E85. If racing I usually change the oil every event. We use all Drag Cartel stuff for the chain, tensioner and guides.
@boblast5582
@boblast5582 Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq oh wow, 100k? you're expecting an engine like the one in this video (and previous bottom end vid) to last that long with just oil changes as maintenance? no need to open it up to inspect stuff like valve springs or retainers or etc periodically? Honestly I thought I was day dreaming hoping for it to have a 50k service life, 100k sounds amazing! edit: how many track days are you assuming with this? something like 10-20 track days a year reasonable?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
It's hard to say exactly. If you are a pro driver with a set up chassis that drives the car to every bit, the engine will probably need to be refreshed after 10-20 track days. If you are not, it could last for years.
@boblast5582
@boblast5582 Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq what exactly does "refresh" mean? which parts am I looking at and potentially replacing? Is it a full disassembly and inspection, replace what needs replacing, and reassemble? or just partial disassembly and look at a few certain parts?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
The first.
@d.i.mdoitmyselfgarage8874
@d.i.mdoitmyselfgarage8874 Жыл бұрын
Dang it, i spent too much money on my k24a2 head already. Can you make a video on k24a2 head. Btw your videos are so informative, thank you
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
That head is actually fine. You didn't waste your money.
@andyzs2k
@andyzs2k 10 ай бұрын
Do you recommend flat face valves over dish for na street build? I know flat valves are little heavier but you can get little more compression so not sure if the weight will be issue and offset the power gain from more compression
@motoiq
@motoiq 10 ай бұрын
It depends but I would rather have a lighter valve and compression in the piston if it was a race engine going for really high rpm where valve control was an issue.
@andyzs2k
@andyzs2k 9 ай бұрын
@motoiq I was going to use 12.1 pistons but then my tuner said its harder to tune for power with 12.1 because of our fuel in California is only 91. Although I kinda regret going with stock compression of 11.1 because some cars come fron factory with 12.1 or even 13.1 and so many people are running high compression with no problems. He was saying to make it work you need to bring timing back and that car hurt power I don't know how much is true but on bright side of I wanted to turbo or supercharge it's better I stuck with stock compression. Last question since my engine has been decked 2 times meaning rebuilt twice and im running flat valves how much more compression you think im getting ? Maybe 11.5?
@motoiq
@motoiq 9 ай бұрын
Your tuner is 100% correct. Those cars with high compression stock are all DI, that's how they can get away with it. If you are actually building your engine you will measure your CC's and your gasket volume and calculate your true compression ratio and order your pistons accordingly.
@mrjp1009
@mrjp1009 Жыл бұрын
What machine shop do you guys like your guys machine work?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
We go to several different ones, Dsport, Montune, Portflow Design, the guy in the shop behind us, Engine Supply. It depends on what we want to get done, different shops do different things better.
@tjjohnson4397
@tjjohnson4397 Жыл бұрын
Could we get a understanding of the k24z7? Im not sure as to why there's so much cheaper and such a small aftermarket support
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
4P actually has done a lot of development on the head and has gotten sort of good power out of it. This head is actually pretty good for a mild turbo application.
@xandt-doggaming3313
@xandt-doggaming3313 Жыл бұрын
Would this build be able to support a turbo? Im doing research for a 93 octain (premium gas in my state) build for my daily driver but id like to turbo it and make decent power since its also going to be a very unique car imo
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
The head yes, the bottom end build with a lower compression ratio.
@jamelwright1347
@jamelwright1347 Жыл бұрын
What would you say is the top 5 bolt on ,for the k20 to make a bump in the hp
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Cams, proper headers, Intake manifold, intake and good tuning
@stussyad
@stussyad Жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about b18b1 why is it so hated
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
No Vtec
@jayparfonenko4489
@jayparfonenko4489 Жыл бұрын
And I have another question what’s the right bolt ons on k24 head to get the best hp without building the head?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Headers, intake, intake manifold, cams, tune
@andrewdangelo4783
@andrewdangelo4783 Жыл бұрын
if i’m going for a street build with a k20a3 i’m putting in my integra; would you suggest i just get a type-s a2 head or save quite a bit of money just porting, new valve train and cams on the a3 head?
@andrewdangelo4783
@andrewdangelo4783 Жыл бұрын
i have a pretty low budget i don’t have the funds for a built head 😂
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
I would start with a K24A2 and do the basics, can make about 260 whp with FBO if you pick the right parts.
@samster978
@samster978 Жыл бұрын
I have a K24a2 long block the k24a2 head is ported. Type R oil pump etc. What cams would you recommend?
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Probably something like DC Stage 4
@corykerr8978
@corykerr8978 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a series like this on 3sge beams motor? Looking at options of what to put in my project car 2-2.5l 4 cylinder turbo. I'm swaying towards k series so much. But would love to put toyota engine in my ke
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
We will eventually.
@corykerr8978
@corykerr8978 Жыл бұрын
@MotoIQ very much look forward to this. I'm trying to decide best avenue to go for my old corolla
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
K series is totally superior to a beams motor though.
@corykerr8978
@corykerr8978 Жыл бұрын
@MotoIQ oh I don't doubt that. I'd more like to keep it all toyota. But k is definitely seeming like the best option
@chadwickwicky67
@chadwickwicky67 Ай бұрын
so k20a2 NA bolt ons, Toda springs & A3 cams + rh, 2.5” exhaust, 410 injectors, RRC im, GruppeM intake … dyno’d 242 whp @ 8897 rpm .. bottom end stock. Can I really crack 275 whp or near if I just have head work done? Keeping it street and reliable & not changed by the cams and springs I just put in? I’d be down to upgrade valves if needed. Most NA k20 & even k24 builds I hear about pushing 280+ whp have bottom end work. I’d like to know if possible & approximate cost. Whats best way to inquire? Thanks!
@motoiq
@motoiq Ай бұрын
A lot of it is in the header and tuning. I don't like the specs of the A3 grind, a lot of intake duration compared to exhaust.
@skunk3works895
@skunk3works895 Жыл бұрын
Yes i have stock k24a2 05 tsx motor in my ek hatch vtc oil pump tensioner all that stock.stuff acura rsx type s i have 52inch itbs big tube plm header this is perfect knowledge thank you
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Very nice! get some cams and bigger throttle bodies!
@skunk3works895
@skunk3works895 Жыл бұрын
@@motoiq yeah I would have get them ported out then they would be a couple sizes bigger
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
Porting ITB's won't change the size of the throttles, the most restrictive area.
@Jetoras7
@Jetoras7 4 ай бұрын
Hello dear ! That is my setup ! K24 rbb3 motor - 70mm TB skunk2 - intake skunk2 ultra race - exhaust PLM 3inc - VTC 50 what can i do to make 300ps ? k20 rsp head ?
@motoiq
@motoiq 4 ай бұрын
Check out some of our other K series videos.
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo Жыл бұрын
Can you forward this video to Ben at Gears and Gasoline, lol. He seems to think a stock head with drop-in cams designed for 8,000rpm will be enough to make power until 10,000rpm! 🙂
@motoiq
@motoiq Жыл бұрын
I think his goal was to reach 10k rpm not necessarily make the most power.
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