www.DaveMossTuning.com Dave covers the general principles of chain slack; why for, how much, etc etc. www.DaveMossTuning.com
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@robertholsopple94514 жыл бұрын
Things your manual doesn't tell you about how to actually check the slack. I didnt know the top of the chain shouldn't move. I would tension it as much as it would go. Glad I watched this. Good info.
@DbzDan784 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that either so I had to readjust mine after watching this. Thanks Dave.
@wrenchrat2 жыл бұрын
Been riding motorcycles most of my life. Never realized that the upper chain was not supposed to move when you were checking adjustment. I've been adjusting my chain too tight for years apparently. Thank you for this video!
@catalystreactionsbw2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and being open minded about this topic to acquire new knowledge that can be very helpful for suspension and front sprocket bearing.
@wrenchrat2 жыл бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbw It has been helpful! Love watching your content.
@catalystreactionsbw2 жыл бұрын
@@wrenchrat Thank you!
@geniuspackardbell369 Жыл бұрын
What was the result of that? (Whole life time of over tensioning) Did you have a damage or something else..?
@jridenour3110 ай бұрын
@geniuspackardbell369 Nothing happened because his chain wasn't too tight. The top of the chain SHOULD move. You're not getting an accurate slack measurement if there's unmeasured slack up top. The manufacturer spec is taking suspension travel into consideration. That's the entire point of having slack.
@Neeko_Z18 күн бұрын
Interesting. I’m going to check mine now lol
@CafeRacer10044 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@catalystreactionsbw4 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching.
@haydendriver4144 жыл бұрын
Shane dorange said you're wrong
@yongyea41474 жыл бұрын
You're
@GBMatthew072 жыл бұрын
Every 300 miles? yeah that's never happened in all my years oops.
@sdc03866 ай бұрын
Wow. How wrong, but so confident. Strange.
@catalystreactionsbw6 ай бұрын
So detail everything that is wrong and show people how much knowledge you possess for them to critique.
@BrandonWest872 ай бұрын
Says a rando on the internet 🙄
@LUDPWR6 жыл бұрын
"I need more coffee" Another great video, thanks Dave :-)
@BrandonWest872 ай бұрын
As a father of 4, “I need more coffee” was one of the most “dad” things I’ve heard in a long time 😂
@Ohno0es4 жыл бұрын
every 300miles...*hangs head in shame*
@JohnBarrosoPereira6 жыл бұрын
Funny, just did this the other day, but didn't even notice the top part of the chain... Guess I'll be checking it again 👍😁
@XR650L_GUY4 жыл бұрын
First time I've ever heard someone mention the tight spot. Should have shown it with this video. Don't try to adjust your chain without turning the back wheel to find the tightest spot on the chain. You'll fuck up something.
@MHolt9999 Жыл бұрын
One day you will look back at this video and feel a little bit silly - and then probably delete it... (Hope no one gets hurt in the mean time.)
@killer2600 Жыл бұрын
"Cheating"...I don't know about that, it seems to me like it's cheating to not account for the slack at the top.
@Achilles224 жыл бұрын
After 45 yrs of riding I’ve finally learnt how to adjust properly, just done it. Also set my front and rear preload from your previous video. Transformed my Katana 1000 no longer fights me, especially the front end. Are you coming to the UK Dave?
@catalystreactionsbw4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Geoff! If this C19 madness allows international travel, I was planning to head to the UK this year.
@georgevprochazka53164 жыл бұрын
I did not know about watching the chain on top. Thanks Dave !
@kunalkhanna9853 жыл бұрын
Excellent guideline. The manufacturers never bother with these nuances in the manuals! Thank you!
@Alex-ck4in7 ай бұрын
What if the manufacturer didn't mention because its not true? 🤔
@prostynick6 ай бұрын
@@Alex-ck4in what is not true? Nuances? You can check it as presented on the video, you can also check it by applying excessive force to it and have completely different reading. You can argue what is wrong or right, but you can't argue that it can be done in various ways and it would be great to have that in the book.
@x-man50563 ай бұрын
Can't even get a manual for late model Triumph. Have to pay the thieves just to reset the light, so I don't.
@Kevin-ib4gv Жыл бұрын
I don't see the point with adjusting the bottom chain while not having the top chain move. You have to have all the slack out ot the chain at the top when adjusting the slack at the bottom. When driving your bike, the top chain is tight when accelerating or constant speed cruising. Any slack at the top would transfer to the bottom causing the bottom chain measurement to increase. In other words, if there 15mm slack at the top and the bottom was adjusted to 35 mm bottom, you now have 50mm at the bottom and 0mm at the top when the chain is being driven. I've never seen a manufacturers manual address the "no movement at the top" when adjusting chain slack. It just makes sense to be looking for total slack within the entire chain.
@jridenour3110 ай бұрын
Finally, somebody else that actually understands how things work. Also, the slack at the top of the chain is going to vary. Eliminating slack at the top by moving it to the bottom is the only way to get an accurate measurement. The only reason slack is needed is to keep the chain from being too tight as the suspension moves through the stroke. Adding more slack to compensate for rider weight, suspension travel, a passenger, whatever... is unnecessary and accomplishes nothing. 1mm of slack when the chain is at its tightest point in the suspension travel is enough and that doesn't change, whether there's a 100 pound rider, a 700 pound rider, 20 passengers...
@ArashAryana6 жыл бұрын
Another gem of a video. Thanks Dave. 👍🏼
@ronnyc82515 жыл бұрын
Great vid Sir! I have been struggling to get my chain just right cause I wasnt sure how to check the tension. I'm may be overthinking it, but I like things perfect. Thanks again
@Treo804 жыл бұрын
Interesting. The manual for my KTM 990 acutally states that the upper part of the chain must be taut when checking the slack.
@catalystreactionsbw4 жыл бұрын
Lots of methods to do one task. We all learn what we consider works for us based on experience. Does the manual ask you to find the tight spot first? That would be interesting to see if they account for that.
@Treo804 жыл бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbw It says chain wear is not always even, so the measurement should be repeated at different chain positions.
@Davy-lf4cj2 жыл бұрын
Most informative video I have ever watched on chain slack and it was 3minutes long. Excellent work
@impalaSS652 жыл бұрын
I forget where I was tought it first, but a reoccurring tip is to check the chain at it's "longest". - When the wheel axle, the swing axle and the front sprocket axis align. As long as there is noticeable play, at least the chain wont be stressed from the suspension motion. I only did this on my dirtbikes (soft suspension and critical failure if it is wrong). The road bikes are too busy to get to on my own. Don't want to drop it - again. I just follow the manual and try to visualize if I'm safe for the swingarm movement.
@markkulyas2418 Жыл бұрын
I've just watched dozens of videos on how to adjust the chain, and none of them gave this specific important information. Thank you. I noticed the harder I push up and down on the chain it keeps changing my measurement. This video just told me what I was doing wrong and explain the correct way to do it. 👍
@petegeanacopulos15822 жыл бұрын
my chain slack is waaaay too loose after watching this. My chain basically lifts up to the swingarm
@chem5996 жыл бұрын
the movement in your chain was not 30-40mm yet you said it was a little loose? what movement range are you looking for in a road bike?
@catalystreactionsbw6 жыл бұрын
In a road bike I would look for 25mm to start. If I am only using 60-70% of shock travel, I don't need 30-40mm as I would on my race bike.
@MrMedicusNeo5 жыл бұрын
I think, you should check/set the sag first. Because if the rider is heavy and/or the back of the bike is too soft the chain becomed very tight when riding
@ImpostorModanica5 жыл бұрын
What your bike's manual says
@stephencharles139829 күн бұрын
Unless its a KTM then its a whole different procedure
@richardrichard54093 жыл бұрын
Surely the chain should be loaded up....you have unmeasured slack on the chain top run otherwise using this method. .Put in first gear, wind wheel up then check total deflection on bottom chain run.
@catalystreactionsbw3 жыл бұрын
I prefer gear box in neutral, find the tight spot, sit the rider on the bike and check it. You can use any method you want.
@Nightdare2 жыл бұрын
That unmeasured sag is necessary for when you have negative wheeltravel Your rear suspension IS capable of telescoping a little outward instead of just inward and will do so when 'dropping off' of humps or braking hard just like your forks will extend a bit when lifting the front wheel off the ground by the tripletree/handlebars (or wheelying)
@jridenour3110 ай бұрын
@@NightdareNo, it's not. The slack on the bottom also compensates for suspension extension. One side of the chain is always going to be tight and all of the slack will be on the other side, whether you're braking or accelerating.
@DevInvest6 жыл бұрын
I was #100 to 👍🏻... I don't know what that means,,, but I'm proud of it anyway lol
@MT--WesleyCrumblebee6 жыл бұрын
Still learning shit from you Dave hahaha. I was always told have the slack take up until the top chain does go taught and then thats your slack.
@JH09SUMITАй бұрын
Why does my service manual say "The upper section of the chain should be taut, while pushing the lower section up and checking the distance between the swing arm, should be 5 to 7mm of gap"
@catalystreactionsbwАй бұрын
That is how the service manual wants you to do this. As with all things, there are other ways to get to the same goal. Additionally, I try to make sure that I get the rider/load on the bike and check chain tension at that point as well.
@shwackthenoobsac6 жыл бұрын
I followed my manual word for word. The chain was set exactly as described, but when Dave checked it at Buttonwillow, it was indeed way too tight when I was sitting on the bike. I was risking damage to my bike and interfering with the suspension and I didn't know it.
@danj9339 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm having the same problem on mine. The correct, by the manual, tension is too tight. Also followed the manual word for word.
@kentm1116 жыл бұрын
This has always bothered me.. huge thanks Dave !
@peterrick3339Ай бұрын
Mr Moss i don't necessarily agree with your comment that the top chain run should not be straight/tight when checking/setting chain slack. Is not the top chain run under tremendous tension when the engine is driving the back wheel and as straight and as tight as it will be. So all the chain 'slack' then will be the bottom chain run between where it leaves the front sprocket & is being picked up by the rear sprocket. So when the rear wheel hits a bump, dip etc while it's being driven, the chain slack needs to be a bit more positive than zero for when the suspension compresses to the point the centers of the front sprocket, the swing arm pivot and the rear wheel axle form a straight line between them, where/when the chain will be at its tightest. I would appreciate an explanation as to why setting the chain slack 'your way' is the correct way. Instead of just saying it is. Thanks
@catalystreactionsbwАй бұрын
Thank you for your comment. Chain tension can be done in many different ways depending on the lesson received and theory behind the lesson. This is an examplke of what I was taught and so I put that on video for others to review, comment or or use. It is not a didactic lesson, just food for thought and opportunity to ponder. I prefer to do this with a load on the bike to make sure that the chain does not bind at close to maximum travel. T
@RobbieLancelot Жыл бұрын
This is gold, they don't tell you that in the manual. Thanks Dave!
@TYRONE_SHOELACES Жыл бұрын
Did you ever think that the Manual takes that into account? ....They designed the bike from scratch .. they are not stupid people ... think about that for a sec.
@RobbieLancelot Жыл бұрын
@@TYRONE_SHOELACES What does that even mean? Plenty of people here have had the same issue with their chains because manufacturers don't bother mentioning this specific information. Maybe you missed the point of this video, think about that for a sec.
@simonk3338 ай бұрын
@@RobbieLanceloti think what Tyrone is trying to tell is that the manual is allready takes the chain slack and tension all together. So when you mesure you chain to your manual its okay if the uper chain is moving.
@650thumper4 жыл бұрын
Wow I think I've been doing it wrong. Thanks. Going to check it tomorrow.
@AnasKamal-i4x2 жыл бұрын
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@mangrichie3466 жыл бұрын
Nice advice Dave! I already watched many videos on adjusting chain slack---most of them did not looked unto top chain slack (also in Manual). They tend to measure the below chain---now that's additional info on my part. Thanks a lot!
@jeff7.6296 жыл бұрын
Dave, is your preference to have the bike on a rear stand or the side stand?
@catalystreactionsbw6 жыл бұрын
No preference at all, but easier on a side stand to extend the swing arm
@Jurica-mtb2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I tought my chain was too loose.
@x-man50563 ай бұрын
Shouldn't you check chain slack with your weight on the bike?
@catalystreactionsbw3 ай бұрын
You can this method, rider on or both. If passenger and touring load, better to check fully loaded.
@FIFTYmil6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great tip. How do you know where to lift the chain up And by lifting the bottom chain up with a screw driver how do you know what is tight/loose? Also how do you find the tight spot in the chain?
@dandownunder58256 жыл бұрын
FIFTYmil from what I know you do what Dave showed all around the chain until you find the section that is the least stretched. Because a chain will never stretch evenly.
@Aint1S6 жыл бұрын
To know what is tight or loose, you grab your owners manual and the tension specs will be listed with a picture of the service being done. I use a pair a calipers that can measure the resting and loaded tension. Then hit that number or go a little below if you're going to really load the bike down. As that swingarm goes up (the bike's suspension compresses down, closer to the swingarm), the chain will bind the hell out of itself with heavy loads. Here warms you about all of that.
@brufnus6 жыл бұрын
I guess you mean on which area on the chain you should lift? Right in the middle between the two sprockets.
@funninja14056 жыл бұрын
Dear Dave Could You please help me with the tyre choice for 2011 Speed Triple R. My girlfriend just bought one second hand with BT S21R on it ( Rear tyre god profile front worn and squared). At present bike feels like effort is needed to maintain the lean and it doesn't go into lean very swiftly) In Your opinion should we try another set of S21 or would You recommend a different profile tyre. Thank You Jakub
@catalystreactionsbw6 жыл бұрын
Hi Jakub. Please tell me what you weigh in kgs without motorcycle gear on. How experienced a rider are you? How many kms on the odometer now? Please send the answers to dave@davemosstuning.com
@alainremi2674 жыл бұрын
Great! Is there any difference between a "cold" chain & a "hot" chain i.e. measuring the slack before riding or just after a ride? Also, I bought a center stand for my Yam MT03 660cc & wonder if it makes any difference when measuring the chain slack whether the bike is on its side or center stand ??? Many thanks
@catalystreactionsbw4 жыл бұрын
Yes, metal expands with heat so after a 40 minute ride, the chain tension might be less depending on your pace.
@jsmcguireIII4 жыл бұрын
Heads up Dave. Manuals are now pdf files on our phones. Specs and diagrams are seconds away as are your helpful videos.
@catalystreactionsbw4 жыл бұрын
Excellent point for those that have great eyesight! :) helps on the computer to enlarge images when needed.
@sundayblack6 жыл бұрын
When the shock is out for maintenance you could check and set the chain so you have free movement through the range. Then you know once its back together you have correct tension. Cut a chock of wood with a step in it and use that as a tension gauge.
@cunningpunt2 жыл бұрын
Or, and this is justa fucking WILD idea, you could follow the user manual ! Fuck me if you are really arsed you could even buy the workshop manual and follow that ! It's not like those pesky engineers have designed your bike so that through full suspension compression with the chain tension set as specified it wont fucking kill you. Mind you if you are riding anything from the states you may need to check that.
@sundayblack2 жыл бұрын
@@cunningpunt not here to argue 👍
@jridenour3110 ай бұрын
@@cunningpuntThank you. People are overcomplicating this.
@bccapone83711 ай бұрын
Great videos , I always ride two's up with the wife and I'm just wondering what the best amount of chain slack would be , the manual states 20-30 mm and I set it at around 25mm , I just don't want to put to much stress on the front sprocket bearing if I can help it , I have set up preload front and rear to compensate for the extra weight at around 290 lbs with both of us on the bike , the rear static sag is 10mm and riders sag about 35mm , the reason that got me concerned about this is I'm in the process of replacing my front sprocket oil seal and I've check the sprocket shaft for moment and there isn't any so I think the bearing is ok but I'm worried that maybe 25mm wasn't enough slack and maybe caused the seal to fail prematurely , it's an mt10 with 13,000 miles on the clock. Any advice would be much appreciated and thank you for all the knowledge you bring us riders over the years with your videos
@catalystreactionsbw11 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching! 35-40mm is safe if you ride 2 up and yes, fair comment and concern on the very early failure of the front sprocket seal. Check the rear sprocket teeth to see if they are angles at all on the tips.
@bccapone83711 ай бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbw brilliant thank you so much , I will check it all over and make sure it's all ok and I'll go for a new chain and sprocket next spring
@badb32423 жыл бұрын
You are a life saver for motorcyclist. Keep up the great work. Appreciate ur help.
@danielmcgrath93696 жыл бұрын
G`day Dave,thanks do much for giving us all your wonderful knowledge.Great videos,excellent knowledge,thanks again Mate.
@Bok2022st4 ай бұрын
Chains Are difficult things because they are loose or appear to be loose but when you sit on them they are as tight as balls go figure can't never figure that out everyone always shows you the bottom tension no one tells you the tension of the chain when you're actually sitting on the bike and they are vastly different so who the hell really knows definitely not me I do my best but God knows if it's right what channel is about 10 mm slack to the swing arm on the bottom as per manual but when I sit on the bike it is tight as hell I need an answer man
@HienPham-hk9yj2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave what's your approach on KTM's measurement of chain slack? Apparently my user manual says to measure the distance betweeen 1.) a chain link and 2.) the bottom of the swing arm for chain tension. And so far I have had quite some chain slaps using the technique by them. Cheers
@catalystreactionsbw2 жыл бұрын
I always try to find a measurement technique that "works" for me. Sometimesd that is the stock method as per handbook, other times it is a unique method that I discover that generally works best. If a given technique creates chain slap, then the chain is tightened in very small increments until that disappears. Then assess the same measurement point to see what you need for your bike.
@HienPham-hk9yj2 жыл бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you Dave. Biggest takeaway from your guide for me is to not let the upper part of the chain moves as slack is taken. It eliminates wrong measurement.
@jridenour3110 ай бұрын
@@HienPham-hk9yjIt actually guarantees a wrong measurement.
@larrymckenna35034 жыл бұрын
perfectly explained ! think you excellent point bout affecting upper chain movement when testing slack !
@catalystreactionsbw4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@larrymckenna35033 жыл бұрын
i meant thank you you know your onions !
@stephenpatton8690 Жыл бұрын
I think you meant to say, "if it is a track bike, you are going to use lLESS tension so you dont give up travel". More tension means restricting more travel, no? One of us has not had enough coffee; it very well might be me. Can someone keep me honest here?
@oscr_zen2 жыл бұрын
I mean, everyone takes that information for granted. But why shouldnt You straighten up the upper part? other than Your word You provided no explanation
@catalystreactionsbw2 жыл бұрын
When you lift the upper chain, you are exaggerating free play to force the chain to touch the swing arm or get the required measurement. I was taught that decades ago and have used the technique since then with great results. There are many ways to do a task, so we generally try different methods until we find one that works on all motorcycles.
@习近平-m5l5 жыл бұрын
I can hear front sprocket click sound when spin the wheel. Is it too tight or loose?
@catalystreactionsbw5 жыл бұрын
If the chain is binding from being too tight, the wheel will not spin. If the chain clicks and the wheel spins freely this may be an alignment problem and/or the chain is worn.
@nickolaswinter29754 жыл бұрын
pictures of dictators who murder Uighurs for fun........and don't let their citizens use anything like youtube that might actually criticize them ......................make sure the chain is good and tight around his neck...........
@misterlove70345 жыл бұрын
I replaced my chain with a brand new chain and sprocket kit and the tick marks are equal on both sides.BUT my chain is on the loose side and the reading is not marking on the “new chain” or blue mark. It’s reading near the “replace chain” mark. WHY? It’s a brand new kit. Please help.
@IcedOmega13 Жыл бұрын
As a new rider that plans on doing his own maintenance I felt this video was a crucial step I was missing.
@catalystreactionsbw Жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking time to create your post and thank you for watching. Great to read you are taking ownership of maintenance.
@sam2920 Жыл бұрын
I wish I knew this when I was a new rider. This channel is a goldmine!
@catalystreactionsbw Жыл бұрын
Thank you - please let other riders know about it so you can help me in my mission of saving a life every day @@sam2920
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@thakery57204 жыл бұрын
Clean a chain every three hundred miles..... well that'd be two or thee times a week in summer for me then..... but my bikes have belts which I leave a little loose as another thing to remember is that sprockets get warm when in use so the chain will tighten as they expand (belts are even worse for this as the wheel pulleys are ally which expands more) and this in turn will create excess loads on swingarm and wheel bearings and if left unchecked can cause them premature wear or to collapse - wheel bearing failure at speed is not much fun !!!
@rabmoody3 жыл бұрын
I don’t need any more information on chains or bikes because by the time I’ve finished digesting what I’ve read and seen on the internet! You know what ? I just want to ride the thing
@Aint1S6 жыл бұрын
That's one I've seen way too many people that have ridden for decades get wrong... Just got to laugh when they ask me why my chain looks to tight. Then they'll start up on my tires and say I wouldn't run those tires, they're (Dunlop Track Tires) bad! *"They're really great tires, but wear out to fast! How many miles you got on them, 1k miles?"* Nope, about 6k... *"REALLY?!"* They ran so much slack that I was terrified following people who ran it so loose getting up in MPH... Some are clueless.
@mayamanka777772 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your idea 💡
@nomoreblahblah Жыл бұрын
Good video about Chain Tension and adjustment. Learned something today
@YNTGUNS5 жыл бұрын
All these different vids have different ways of checking chain tension. Are they all right?
@catalystreactionsbw5 жыл бұрын
You can choose what resonates with you. I try to show methods as not everyone chooses one way.
@nibbit19692 жыл бұрын
Wow! cleaning after 300 miles! Better get to work now!
@davidtapara80544 жыл бұрын
If I want spiritual enlightenment I will go and see a guru. If I want to learn anything about my bike I watch Dave Moss
@ikan41122 жыл бұрын
The best! Thank you for the video and this hint! :)
@coorgontwo50184 жыл бұрын
Sir, could you be more specific on how the chain tension affects tyre wear.
@catalystreactionsbw4 жыл бұрын
If the chain is too tight, it binds and pulls on the counter shaft bearing. It also stops the shock from moving further in the arc it should and the load is transferred directly to the tire to be the suspension. In this case (for every second the bike is being ridden), the tire wear is accelerated due to the excess load it has to sustain/endure. Hope this helps.
@coorgontwo50184 жыл бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbw Got it, Thanks.
@TurboAcki4 жыл бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbw Does this mean with maximum load on the rear (deepest position of the wheel) I should still have some clearance or how I can check it? The standard values from the manual seems to be far away from your recommendation?
@catalystreactionsbw4 жыл бұрын
@@TurboAcki Ideally yes. You would load up and have someone else check it for you that you trust.
@roadwarrior85603 жыл бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbw should you be sitting on the bike with the wheels on the ground, with the suspension compressed to check for chain slack? manual says to check chain slack with bike on the side stand, makes me want to buy a bloddy shaft drive.
@chrislepine200 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit my chain is way too loose 😅
@englishsteve22053 жыл бұрын
UK steve . Very good video 👍👍
@thomashannam29854 жыл бұрын
never gets ridden. you were right the first time
@bagnasty7791 Жыл бұрын
The top of the chain not moving does that stand for all motorbikes? Can’t see it documented anywhere and now I’m getting hung up about weather or not my Gixxer chain is right or not.
@catalystreactionsbw Жыл бұрын
You can choose to use the manual guidance, the process you know and trust, the process where the tight spot is the go to or my method. Please stick with one to avoid confusion and don't change from that. I choose to be a lot more precise with this measurement, more so than others.
@NCShreds2 жыл бұрын
That’s one bald tire
@Bart_Depestele2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@Ch0k0TB3 жыл бұрын
When I was tightening my chain I didnt loose the axle nut, is that wrong? I still managed to tightened it though.
@catalystreactionsbw3 жыл бұрын
Interesting that the axle nut torque allowed you to still set the chain tension. Not wrong, but clearly the torque needs to be higher.
@birdsoup7773 ай бұрын
Awesome advice. Thank you
@catalystreactionsbw3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching.
@toolheadist4 жыл бұрын
We've all seen the measurement diagrams...... Dave's got experience with thousands of bikes. My uneducated guess is that there's a certain swingarm angle "range" ..... no matter if a bike's angle is at the upper spec, or lower, it wouldn't affect slack much between the two until you surpass 70% shock travel- that's when the real stretch begins. Only factors i'm curious about is- shimming the rear height and/or running a smaller front sprocket? I'm assuming the same procedure taught here would still be applied?
@catalystreactionsbw4 жыл бұрын
Yes, correct. We try to keep swing arm angle at 10-12 degrees and then based on rear axle position, spring and valve the shock appropriately based on leverage and rider skill.
@rawhide1543 жыл бұрын
I just lost my new manual
@MrBiggmartin6 жыл бұрын
Brill. Thanks Dave.
@roadwarrior85603 жыл бұрын
what's brill about it ffs? it's crap video.
@Alex-if3sr Жыл бұрын
So for 2 up riding. Should it be more loose? Or do both rider and pillion have to sit and then check the tension?
@catalystreactionsbw Жыл бұрын
Bottom out of the shock sets chain free play so if you set it a 1.5 inches or 40mm, that should be sufficient. Double check by putting rhe full load on the bike.
@djlancer88 Жыл бұрын
300 miles holy shite
@steveb89675 жыл бұрын
2016 MY Speed Triple R - can't actually see the upper part of the chain - hidden by single sided swing arm - assume gently lifting the chain (as you demonstrated) will be OK..?
@catalystreactionsbw5 жыл бұрын
Yes, correct!
@iliketurtles47612 жыл бұрын
Elements 💯🙌🏽🙏
@fafaderickrides24923 жыл бұрын
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@MegaChevy656 жыл бұрын
My manual says to do it with the bike on the ground on its stand. I've always done my chain slack adjustments on the rear stand. It's there a huge difference from doing it either way? Good tip for looking at the top chain. Never knew that.
@catalystreactionsbw6 жыл бұрын
No difference at all - both techniques have the chain under static sag load.
@dublion710 ай бұрын
Thank Dave 👍🏾
@chrispulham47795 ай бұрын
Cheers Dave!
@simonwalker18338 ай бұрын
I have a Tiger 900GT and 'chain slack' is something I have to admit being paranoid about. I've watched numerous videos and read the official manual - which IMHO is still ambiguous in some aspects. The manual says 'Place the motorcycle on a level surface and hold it in an upright position with no weight on it. Rotate the rear wheel by pushing the motorcycle to find the position where the drive chain is tightest and measure the vertical movement of the drive chain midway between the sprockets'. OK so in this video the bike is leaning on the kickstand - is that acceptable or just specific to the bike in the video? The Tiger manual doesn't say which way to push the bike (to tighten the chain) nor which part of the chain should be 'tightest' (top or bottom)? I'm guessing from this quote that placing the bike on a centre stand is not acceptable? Apologies for these noob questions, I've only been riding a year.
@catalystreactionsbw8 ай бұрын
This is a great question and thank you for it. There are many, many ways to do this so as a new rider, the simplist way is going to be the best and in time, you can make it more complicated./ For now, the technique in the video makes it much easier for you. By all means find the "tight spot" and start there for the adjustment and when checking, make sure that you do not force the top of the chain upward.
@simonwalker18337 ай бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbw Thanks. So in the video has the chain been 'tightened' beforehand by moving the bike forwards or backwards?
@catalystreactionsbw7 ай бұрын
@@simonwalker1833 forwards
@cachidril6 жыл бұрын
I use to check the chain with the rider on it after checking with the bike on the stand. is it correct?
@catalystreactionsbw6 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is correct.
@broderp4 жыл бұрын
I don't have a calibrated screw driver to acaccuratly measurecthe 20-30 mm as outlined in the owners manual. Everyone knows the basics of too loose and two tight...how about some quick, easy and accurate ways to measure the play. What tools, what process to go thru. Flipping a chain up and telling it's good doesn't help as I dont tune 4 thousand bikes a year. Thanks.
@yongyea41474 жыл бұрын
Just use a block of wood and a pencil..... Raise the chain and make a mark and lower the chain and make a mark... Then measure the distance between the two marks
@BrandonWest872 ай бұрын
@@yongyea4147Or a tape measure with the end on the ground. Gives an immediate mark to identify current slack and distance traveled when checking it.
@pyrusmasterdan1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@stevemullens79372 жыл бұрын
Is it better to use the side stand or center stand to make the adjustment? Thanks for any help!
@catalystreactionsbw2 жыл бұрын
Both extend the shock and take the stress off the rear of the bike. I personally prefer a center or rear stand so I can rotate the rear wheel at will to check various parts of the chain.
@stevemullens79372 жыл бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbw Thanks for the reply. I would prefer that as well. Nice to see that a pro like you agrees with me. Lightning strikes!
@The3335 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this info.
@jimzonbajao64494 жыл бұрын
Very informative
@hibernatorawake6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Davo!
@mariokarner15634 жыл бұрын
whats the risk of having it too tight?
@catalystreactionsbw4 жыл бұрын
It pulls on the output shaft bearing and that stress ovals out the bearing seat. It also locks out the rear shock and puts the rear tire under severe duress while you bounce out of the seat over bumps.
@freelancerider1003 жыл бұрын
I am noticing the alignment is exact and the wheel is wanting to be slightly off in the swing arm- this is corrected by the wheel bushings?
@catalystreactionsbw3 жыл бұрын
If the wheel is not exact, the wheel is off center form impacts with sharp edged bumps or the mounting points are worn allowing the wheel to be tightened very slightly off center.
@freelancerider1003 жыл бұрын
The bike has 22k miles on it now, could it be a swing arm- bushing.. Maybe getting worn? I suppose I should pull the rear shock and check it for movement with a dial.guage.. I noticed a wobble- on the sprocket, so cleaned the cush drive inspected wheel, hub sprocket, etc reinstalled wheel, noticed the alignment is not exact, rear sprocket is slightly right of the front. Just enough to cause the chain to click as it engages the sprocket. The swing arm doesn't appear to be worn where the bushing contacts it-
@freelancerider1003 жыл бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbw wouldn't hurt to replace chain and sprockets., Can I turn a new bushing on the lathe for it?
@MrWhothefoxthat Жыл бұрын
i never realised bike's could be more temperamental than the wife.
@catalystreactionsbw Жыл бұрын
When neglected, damn right :)
@BrandonWest872 ай бұрын
@@catalystreactionsbwNeglect either and you may well be gambling with your own life 😂
@Kris773406 жыл бұрын
You the best Dave, god bless you
@naveedaka6 жыл бұрын
how it tends to tyre wear..please elaborate
@catalystreactionsbw6 жыл бұрын
The chain is tight the swing arm stops moving the tire has to do much more work is is under too much duress = excessive wear