MotorWeek Road Test: 2009 Cadillac CTS-V vs. 2009 BMW M5

MotorWeek Road Test: 2009 Cadillac CTS-V vs. 2009 BMW M5

[@calincampbell5637]

Well, today a CTS-v2 goes anywhere from 30-40 grand while you can pick up an e60 m5 for under 20,000 bucks. Time has decided which car is better it seems.

[@Fony_turgeson]

Cts v does not lose value. I'm picking I'm mine 6spd manual recaro sedan 2 days.

[@woodsoncircle]

I like both cars however the maintenance on a M5 is ridiculously costly. I'd "settle" for the CTS V if I had a choice.

[@carlmcdonald5864]

I had a 2010 BMW M5 I had too many valve train problems I also have a 2013 Cadillac CTS-V and it's been super strong ever since I bought it

[@j.caraballo1748]

Carl Mcdonald Friend of mine owns that same M5 and the diff blew up on him...literally

[@repnatl]

BMW leaks oil and overheats from the factory lol. The v10 is trash with vanos issues and changing the rod bearings is an actual maintenance item like why. Not to mention the smg transmission is terrible.

[@MM-bx4cs]

BMW seems to be as reliable as DeLorean lol I have the CTS lol

[@bliglum]

Yes, BMW's are garbage.. Some of the worst reliability in the industry along with some of the most expensive maintenance costs... Bring Money With you!

[@SportsMusicCars]

@@bliglum BMW = Big Money Wanted.

[@hunghuge12]

I agree. I had the privelage of driving the new M5 around a month back through a good friend's business. I used to like the V10 M5 (still do) but the new one is just leagues ahead of anything else out there at the moment for a mix of speed and luxury. I don't know if you've driven one but if not book a test drive. It's a very strange experience when a car so relaxed slams you in the seat. It doesn't need revving like the V10 - it just picks up and goes hard as soon as you floor it.

[@2xtreem4you]

The M5 was always my dream car. But after start reading up on these cadis am starting to think differently. BMW for the style and driving experience is still up there and will always be. They are just not reliable though..too much issues

[@getalife04]

This just shows that the most expensive car isn't always the best. Long live GM.

[@sspope]

This is even more important: BMW M5 - 383 Lb-Ft Torque CTS-V - 551Lb-Ft Torque Caddie wins because of brutal straight line umpf, but real driving enthusiasts will appreciate the excellent ballance of the M5 and the way it handles at the limit.

[@Garf2O]

What people would really want is the M5 chassis and interior with the CTSV drivetrain, best of both worlds

[@jonhymarquez8166]

Both timeless designs, they will still look fresh in 20 years

[@repnatl]

The BMW will end up in the junkyard due to the shitty engine and transmission.

[@AmericanBusinessman422]

No

[@bfxieho0f111]

@@repnatl they are cooler than ur crappy jdm shit

[@polizeiguym5]

@gmman05 Remember that the M5 engine and platform was conceived in 2004. The CTS-V wasn't until late '06-early '07. Plus, its 1.2 liters smaller in displacement and is naturally aspirated. I'm not knocking the CTS-V, its a great car no doubt, but just don't forget those figures

[@shawncweed]

I like both these cars and unlike most of the posters here, I really am not overly loyal to any specific brand, but rather how well they do their mission. I have an M6 convertible and am very familiar with the V10 in the M5 as well as the SMG. The V10 is incredible in its own way, but if you have driven a blown V8 (my last car was a modded E55) you really miss the torque. The Cadillac has 40% more torque than the M5 and really make a difference off the line. I like my M6s build quality...like granite...but if I was in the market for a sedan, the CTS-V, and its incredible value, would make it one of my top choices. My only negative is the angular body. Looks great front on, but kind of plain from the sides.

[@rodmunch69]

You're nuts. I've owned CTS's and three BMW 4-series, and you think that CTS looks plain compared to that flat out ugly 5-series, which is as generic as it gets? This era of BMWs is awful they're just ugly cars, and thankfully that styling was changed when the 4-series came out for 2014. The 4-series, is a great looking car from every angle, but the 5 and 3 series both look generic as hell. If we're only talking about these two cars, head to head, I'd take the Caddy any day of the week.

[@CHEGTO]

@@rodmunch69 He didn’t respond but I will I agree the angular body of the cats-v looks like they tried really hard to be edgy and different but that running gear is the main reason you would purchase it . Now the M5 just a pain to think that someone thought it was a great idea to allow them to put the potential that that motor has into that body style of car. I mean a damn V10 the last v10 road car outside of Audi’s s series that we will ever get to see “because of the leash holders” placed inside the body of a brick with the edges sanded off I would purchase the BMW 2nd hand only because of the engine in it .

[@travyyyful]

Damn I wish I can afford that caddy on my minimum wage job lol

[@vladtheimpaler6970]

Travis Wang if you start saving now by the year 2094 you could by that 2009 Cadillac CTS-V. It will probably be parked in an alley way with a family of Mexicans living in it, Also it will likely be worth less then a large pizza so at least your car insurance won't cost much.

[@rueben44]

Vlad the Impaler Or he could buy the BMW and be in the poor house when it has huge and constant repair issues once that warranty is gone.

[@luxurreview]

Now you can!

[@SammyM00782]

I couldn't afford anything other than my 1988 Firebird V6 with my minimum wage jobs from 1999-01 either...so I got out of that bullshit. Still can't afford to go get a newer V series, but I also have a mortgage now. Do have a 16 CTS-4 I got at a good price, and traded in my 06 Trailblazer SS to help. Persist my dude, and you'll get there.

[@SammyM00782]

Speaking of, what has happened in 6 years?

[@MrReeseJ]

I'm a car guy so I love cars, not only if it's American or European or Asian. I appreciate cars for what they are not where they're built. I get having American pride but the engine in the 2nd generation CTS-V is produced in GM's Silao, Mexico engine assembly plant. I think I'm just going to appreciate it for being an amazing car and will be my next.

[@rogertucka]

Love both cars. I drive M5’s for a living, but the cts-v is my dream car.

[@burninggas7715]

Dear Motorweek can you upload the road Test of the normal BMW e60 5 Series, it would be realy nice.

[@KipBurbank1]

Can the m5 smoke the tires like the Cad ?

[@terryrutherford2114]

I have a 2011 CTS-V. It's pretty cool. If I were to buy I would opt for a V3 or a CTS-V Blackwing, and yes I own an Audi S5 and previously owned a Audi S8. I like the German cars, but I'm just a GM fan boy. Have had a Nova, Impala, Camaro, 3 GM trucks, well you get it. The CTS-V is phenomenal.. Thanks for the video. Sorry I'm late!

[@jaysizzlecity2]

I love this review

[@EmilRzayev-dg6vj]

That BMW has a masterpiece of engine derived from formula 1 .. The engine alone is better than that whole Cadilac lol

[@RBZ06LT6]

Thats why you must know nothing about cars lol. Look how much an LSA engine is worth. Its LITERALLY the price of an M5 lolll🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@timmckinnon3325]

It breaks alot

[@mariom-1172]

This is not even a question for me, I'm going with the M5 no doubt about it. I still have my 08' M5 and I will never replace that thing for anything. I've never driven anything like it and I owned a CTS before the m5

[@auniqueusername]

Caddy is a better deal, and GM should be proud of their accomplishment. If I was wealthy enough that I could buy either, I'd choose the Bimmer - love that 8250rpm V10, stellar brakes and great road feel. However, with price being a factor, I'd have to consider a 2yr old Bimmer vs the Caddy. Tough choice. Caddy rides nice, performs better and is new vs. used. Still, it's ugly next to the Bimmer. I'd call it a tossup. I'd be thrilled with either. I've only been in M5, and love it.

[@Fernando5455Jr]

Any one can super charge an engine. BMW still has a naturally inspired engine.

[@toomuchtodrink2]

BMW us a naturally aspirated engine in this car but a v10 block not a v8 so it's a fair fight but not when the car is compared with a brand new Cadillac. If they'd waited a year and compared the BMW m5 f10 with the Cadillac and we'd see that absolutely every figure would be not marginally better than the Cadillac but miles better.

[@wallyborrero4967]

Fernando5455 it's a V10 calm down

[@992turbos8]

toomuchtodrink2 Yes it’s a V10 but not the same if you had a tiny bit of Engineering back ground you would know the difference forced air changes a lot of things in terms of power and Torque if that’s the best Cadillac can do with a 6.3 liter supercharge engine-vs- 5 liter naturally aspirated engine, Cadillac is sad !!!

[@RBZ06LT6]

You could actually not supercharge that 5.0 v10 cause theyre not strong enough. The shity transmission would not stand it anyways. So to answer your comment... not anyone can supercharge an engine.

[@bilbobaggins4710]

@@992turbos8 the factory detunes them dumb FUCK...Mr I'm an engineer... Engineers are FUCKING dorks

[@e-boy2252]

I wonder what tires these two came with🤔 definitely makes a difference on the track

[@originaldriver2066]

There wasnt anything "barely" about this win or the record-smashing time the CTS-V placed on the Nurburgring. Even though its a bit late in the game for GM, im glad to see them proving what Ive said for the longest..... That American cars can be competitive on curves as well as the straights.

[@dougie281]

Its 2018! I can finally afford these devalued cars!😂

[@master9716]

WOW ive never seen it in Black color IT LOOKS 10X better than in red!! cant belive its only 60k

[@blackbird1448]

Cadillac is a clear winner! Cheaper, faster, way more torque (551lb/ft vs 383lb/ft) and way better looking than the boring BMW. The 2dr. Cadillac CTS-V Coupe version looks even cooler!

[@m5pilot397]

Correct. More like 32-35K for a mint, well-optioned, under-25K-mile one, but you are correct. I like the (supercharged) CTS-V, a lot, it is one of the coolest cars ever to come out of Cadillac Division, especially the wagon (!), but it ain't no BMW, sorry.

[@stevet5573]

Being lucky enough to own one ... my ‘11 sedan has 90k miles and zero issues. 4 sets of brakes and new tires every summer is more a reflection on me. I love love love my V ... couple of mods (exhaust, cai, pulleys, injectors and a tune) she puts 600 hp on the ground and still shocks the dude in the other lane.

[@kasteman1]

The M5 has a paddle shift automatic option as well, I don't know why they didn't use it. Despite that, I do I think the CTS-V would still have better numbers, but the margins would be much tighter. With 50 more hp and 170 more lb/ft of torque, it'd be an absolute embarrassment if it wasn't faster.

[@toomuchtodrink2]

Comparing an almost completely fazed out BMW with a brand new Cadillac is silly not only that they compared a manual with an auto. Just stupid

[@jkeelsnc]

I don't think that motorweek was biased. LOL, they did mention where the M5 had some advantages. They were very honest about the fact that the M5 had better composed handling and better brakes. That does not mean that the CTSV was bad in those areas. Just that BMW had made their car more balanced and solid on the track.

[@repnatl]

Ctsv is better easy to mod and will last longer. BMW v10 will have vanos and transmission issues. Who makes and engine where rod bearings are a maintenance item? That v10 sounds amazing and plenty of power but to own one isn't worth it. You would be better off with an m113k powered amg benz.

[@89timdog]

@Marc99GT thanks for the backup dude.

[@vernonprice5986]

Come back and talk to me after you've driven a CTS-V. In the M5 you need to rev the snot out of it to get to the power, in the CTS-V you have a mountain of torque at 2500 RPM.

[@esickxtmfive4980]

Come back and talk to me at 211 mph

[@m5pilot397]

No, actually the latest CTS-V was developed specifically to beat the e60 M5's Nurburgring Nordschleife lap time. That it can do, just barely. It took a supercharger and 556 HP to do it. How often do you lap the 'Ring? Me neither.

[@lenwoodcruze3594]

The M5 is to be avoided unless money is no longer a issue to you.....

[@stanbernadino]

Both cars are nice, but I'd take the CTS-V any day.

[@RODikUlus]

Also, factor in the cost of an specifically tuned upgraded suspension and brake package to balance the Camaro out. The CTS-V comes with MRC, and an upgraded brake option on top of the already excellent stock brake package. You just may be spending more for that Camaro to keep up with a CTS-V.

[@denalidriven1574]

Love them both how ever drove both the suspension is def way way way better in the Cadillac that magnetic ride felt like nothing other so I bought a Denali so I could try the suspension way different tune but still amazing.

[@sirloin4372]

I’d take the caddy all day everyday, love cadillacs!

[@chrisjana75]

@MewCat100 I disagree, I have a cts and looked at BMW's before I bought my car....The M5 interior was boring and looked like a typical 30k car interior while the cts had nice lines, and better materials....The interior is what really sold me on the CTS, it is amazing. All of the people I know that have been in it comment on how great it is, and some of them own BMW's and Mercedes and all of them admit the cts interior is better..youtube is the only place I hear otherwise

[@joni19821]

Like he said in the end of the video "The M5 is STILL the ultimate driving machine", nice try Cad but no luck this time. Considering that the Cads engine is bigger and has a charger i do have to say that they have a long way to go before they catch up with the BMW.

[@BlackDreadBoy]

excellent depiction of both vehicles that cadi is a BEAST though

[@bryanb16th]

Where's the E-63AMG?

[@neil10451]

I haven't seen a Caddy lay that much smoke since I stomped the gas in my '72 500ci fwd Eldorado. How about comparing it to the Benz C63 or E63. Or did M-B pay you guys NOT to be shown up by the new kid on the (performance) block?

[@furknee06]

how come the m5 has 300 torque and 500 horse power ???how does that work? i thought torque and horsepower went side by side?

[@gmracing15]

to furknee06 question: what determains engine torque is generally two things 1)engine size the larger engine will develop more torque then a smaller one (even if the smaller motor makes more horse power then a larger engine. so engine size = torque 2) if you don't have engine size u can increase torque through turbos or superchargers called boost induced torque. these are generally and main ways of developing torque

[@mjdc2505]

Damn, I can't believe the Cadillac CTS-V killed the BMW-M5. I hope the Cadillac CTS-V can outperform the other small-size luxury cars.

[@MewCat100]

I haven't been fortunate enough to drive one for an extended time. I took a brief test drive, but never got back for a second look. Everything you say is spot on. I love the feeling of being buried in the leather of an M5 as it rockets from a standstill to lightspeed in mere seconds. For an all around balanced car with lots of power but still useful, nothing beats the M5

[@colderbeer]

Big-time congrats to GM and Cadillac, but this is like deciding which 5 star steakhouse to dine out at. Two extremely sweet cars.....like 2 very delicious steaks from 2 different places.

[@LuckyBarber]

The gorgeous CTS-V looks simply vicious in black. Darth Vader on wheels.

[@RODikUlus]

Also, neandjd, if the M5 could beat the CTS-V's Nurburgrings lap time, BMW would have done so by now. Even when these 2 were pitted against each other on their 1st official match in Oct 2008 Road & Track, ( on video too), the CTS-V came to the fight with the manual only. The BMW came with SMG and manual versions. Manual M5 was scrapped, yet SMG M5 still didn't beat the CTS-V with manual. In fact, John H. could even get a netter N'bring time with the manual CTS-V as it tops at 190, auto at 175.

[@wildstar43]

I will take the CTS-V all day and any day! :)

[@damefaso]

I don't need a mountain of torque to drive a car.I really don't want to start a conversation so about which one is better.You like the Cadi,well i like the M5

[@Marc99GT]

@89timdog No problem man. I was in a CTS-V about a month ago and it is an awesome machine. That is coming from a former Mercedes Benz Tech. I would buy one in a minute if I could afford it.

[@RODikUlus]

Maybe not. M5's are usually broken in, & by the time they did this test, the CTS-V wasn't. Months before the CTS-V was for sale, Edmunds kept a good page on the progress of the CTS-V. GM testers said manual & auto versions get identical numbers 0-60 in 3.9, & 1/4 in 12.0. Those cars they were testing had definetly been broken in. CTS-V has a better power to weight ratio than M5, with a capable suspension setup. Neither transmission is sluggish. Stock vs.stock, CTS-V will always be ahead.

[@TheZackb07]

Jumping on this late, but the displacement doesn't necessarily mean engine size. The LS7 is smaller and lighter than a BMW 4L V8 or their V10. It also gets better mileage and better power ratings. It is a far superior performing engine, even if it is pushrod.

[@surajjohn29]

true it is lighter and is a very cool engine. Love the throaty sound of the v8. Honestly ive driven both and i prefered the m5 at higher rpms. But who am i to judge, im a med student not an engineer. And maybe one day i hope ill be lucky enough to own both !

[@RODikUlus]

With the previous CTS-V Caddy gave serious thought to creating a CTS-V+. If the 2009 CTS-V gets trumped slighty ( because that's all there is room for), I hope GM gives that serious thought again. They could keep the same power, or even up it a little, but the real deal will be in making it weigh less. It uses a full steel frame, so they could use a lighter one, slighly lighter rims, and carbon fiber body panels. Sure, it'd cost more, but it will still handle better, and cost less than the comp.

[@rayburton4867]

American muscle! F**k yeah!

[@vernonprice5986]

History has nothing to do with anything. The CTS-V was developed SPECIFICALLY to beat the M5 into the pavement, and it did. The LSA engine in the Cadillac is a ridiculously good and reliable engine, it has a long history and it's been tested and proven for many, many years.

[@dst977]

The trade in on identical mileage, color and “standard option” cars, show the Cadillac beating the Beemer at $31k trade in value, where the almost twice as expensive at initial purchase BMW commands only $20k max on trade in. That’s according to KBB.

[@cadrolls]

Perhaps the next time you are out and about, you will count how many 20 year old Cadillacs are on the road compared to 20 year old BMWs and we will talk about which car is more reliable. Cadillac doesn't just make great cars, you know... They make Cadillac♥

[@vernonprice5986]

Again, I don't have to see it in person because I'm referencing what happened in this video. Have you watched the video? The CTS-V beat the M5 in handling and acceleration (and everything else) in this video. You should probably watch it before speaking again.

[@4fastdrs]

@13tomabram To be fair 3 seconds is a big deal when your talking about lapping the ring in sub 8 min runs in 2 ton sedans. That being said, IF the panamera was able to pull off a 7:56 that just goes to show how unequivocally monstrous the cts-v is to have pulled a 3 second slower ring time then a $137,000 porsche, when it only cost 65K. I'm more then happy to take second place this time. All the panamera has proven is that it going to take LOTS&LOTS of money to beat the cts-v, and I agree!!!

[@MewCat100]

Way to respond to an old post there. You should keep up with the news, the F10 M5 is kicking the crap out of the CTS-V with ring times of 7:55, better handling, better acceleration, and better comfort. The only place it doesn't win is price.

[@baehr2486]

Yeah and that’s saying a lot when you’ll have to cough up even more money just to to keep it running. Few bolt ons and still way less total cost of the bmw and it will demolish the M5 and while being admittedly slightly less luxurious.

[@rodmunch69]

I've owned two CTS's and three BMW 4-series, and man does that CTS look fantastic. I had one that look just like the one at the start, except in sunset metallic orange, an absolutely beautiful car. That 5-series meanwhile is very generic looking, there's a reason I never paid attention to BMW before the 4-series came around in 2014. With that said, Cadillac went off the rails with their next-gen CTS after this, it got too big and too expensive, and the ATS was too small and cramped for my liking. Also, the thing that killed Cadillac for me, was the God awful CUE Infotainment system, when I went to the dealer in late 2013 to get another Cadillac, that stupid CUE setup was terrible, it was so slow and laggy and frustrating to use, it was why I left and went to the BMW dealership, knowing nothing about BMWs at all - but I saw the, then, new 4-series, and it was such a good looking car, fun to drive, I bought one on the spot.

[@Boblib1970]

I just bought a 440 last month. My first BMW. Pretty fun and impressive daily driver.

[@rodmunch69]

​@@Boblib1970 yeah, they're a very good all around car, as couple they're awesome, as a sedan, they don't look that good, but better than the ugly 3 and 4 series, while hitting a very good size compromise. I've really liked mine, which is why I keep buying them. Remind me of old 80s GM coupes of that day in that you get a nice large coupe, great power/performance, can still legit seat 4 people in it if need be - made really well.

[@gd8205]

Traded my 2015 M4 for a 2009 cts-v. M4 was much too underpowered for my liking. And modding the M was very expensive. The 09 V has been modded to 800whp, me and my kids love it. Love bmw but it lacks brute strength

[@rodmunch69]

@@gd8205 I had a 2008 CTS that was completely loaded, in terms of looks, it was amazing - sunset orange, had the CTS-V grill and some other aftermarket parts, but just the base engine. I've owned a couple of Corvette's as well and I'm always partial to GM's V8's - and I know what you mean, although not at the scale you're talking about. But the BMW's make very smooth power, but it doesn't throw you back in your seat the way a GM V8 does - not that I've had anything close to 800hp. With that said, the one thing I do like about the BMW's is that they are so incredibly precise and balanced, that's its counter to brute force. I find myself, generally, getting another car every 18 to 24 months, and I'll switch between something balanced and precise and something that is a bit more fun and powerful. So next car, I might go back to Cadillac and get something like a '14 CTS-V coupe, one of my favorite looking cars ever. The only issue, to me, is that while the CTS interior from that era looks amazing, it's very outdated from a tech standpoint, with no way (I'm aware of) to really update it with modern conveniences like Carplay or putting in a much higher resolution screen instead. But I also haven't looked into it in a while, so maybe there's some aftermarket solutions.

[@gd8205]

@@rodmunch69 very well said. I agree with you totally. Love the refinement of the bmw but brutality of the ctsv. Maybe try the C8 corvette? I have a deposit down on a Z06 but it will take time to get my allocation

[@RODikUlus]

You, Sir, are NOT my enemy. I read the edmunds review of the new 2010Mercedes Benz E63 AMG. It doesn't even appear to have a leg up on this Cadillac. Yet, I don't know what it's power to weight ratio is. I'll be going to the New York Int Auto Show soon, and check it out though. The Porsche Panamera, will be very expensive in top form, but at 3900 lbs, give or take, it may have a chance at matching or beating the Cadillac. But I still prefer the CTS-V. Waiting for the coupe version.

[@naranthiranshanmugas]

Mattel's Hot Wheels made a die cast replica of the Cadillac CTS-V

[@89timdog]

@89timdog question mark at the end of mine, not a period. my bad,point taken.

[@trevizons]

Well, the BMW M5, is a very refined car itself, its power and technolgy, the body and the looks aren't that great, it could look like a new Honda, Toyota or something like that for someone that doesn't know anything about cars, but this time GM made a huge step forward with this vehicle, although Caddys have the reputation of strong and very well made cars for longevity, the CTS is the perfect combination for muscle car, luxury sedans, sports cars and money savers lovers ... My opinion.

[@ravenmadx]

The GNX was Plagued by problems. Mainly the throttles sticking in wide-open. Nice...

[@RODikUlus]

Even though the cost don't truly justify the Porsche, I feel it's a player because it too will be considered a High Performance Luxury Sedan. But like the host says, I'd buy the CTS-V sedan or coupe, before anything else, and keep more of my winnings.

[@ambientflier]

@presidentbren Yes...because the cadillac's brick styling is so pretty, right?

[@jkeelsnc]

I think the conclusion is correct. I won't have either of them anyway. Nonetheless, they are both impressive automobiles in their own right.

[@vernonprice5986]

Just so you know, I've pretty easily beaten an SMG-equipped E60 M5 in my completely stock CTS-V STATION WAGON with a 6-speed manual. So you are completely, 100% wrong about that.

[@hunghuge12]

It may not win on initial price but it gets much closer on cost to own when you take resale into it. It's a larger investement but you get a higher percentage back when you sell. After a couple of years they will both have cost about £20k. Even ignoring that I know which one I would have.

[@surajjohn29]

alright, your right ctsv is the better car. Just one question for you sir and i dont mean anything bad . Dont lie but have you driven both cars ? Thing is i had the privilege to drive both. I prefered the M5 over the cts for the feedback i got , also the v10 sounded like banshees outta hell ! but anyways thanx for the info, learned alot.

[@mjdc2505]

After I watched this video I did a little research on the CTS-V, the CTS-V demolished the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG according to their spectulations.

[@marcoarreola9058]

Those CTS V still hold their value.

[@surajjohn29]

Ive driven both the ctsv and the m5. The cadi is unbelievably fast but is not in par with the interior . The seats although leather felt cheap in the cts, and it had suede everywhere. And besides the M5 engine will always be better than the ctsv v8 even though the caddy has more power. Id take a high revving v10 anyday..

[@surajjohn29]

then again it comes down to personal preference. As an enthusiast, i like em both but to me M5 will be better as an all rounder drivers car just like the video says.

[@luzvimindaprotestades4345]

I just like the color thou

[@cooliebwoy415]

CTS-V is an exception tho because it was tuned to handle the nurburgh track in Germany which is why its able to perform better track times than the M5. Im an audi fan my self so i wont hop on the cadi wagon yet because BMW is going to relaese a new M5 soon which will probally destroy the caddi with ease but for now in 2009 the caddi comes out on top in all aspects and BMW fans cant really say anything

[@Out2theIndoors]

Funny. Go check out the black 2009 cts-v that motorweek tested on its own without the bmw. It ran the same from 0-60 but a 12.7@115 instead of 12.5@118

[@baehr2486]

Yeah some ppl can’t drive for shit, it’s done under a 12.4 completely stock

[@RODikUlus]

With AMG having their normal AMG, and AMG Black Series Editions, a + division for Caddy wouldn't cheapen the brand. The demographics are the only thing that needs to be studied, but after the economy gets better. But with a Caddy, at this price, costing 20K or better less, with matching or better performance, Caddy does have the upper hand.

[@CARPSPUDPICKER]

Cadi is a way better deal! But if they were bolth the same price I'd take the BMW for reliability,fit and finish. If I wanted to turn heads I'd want the cadi, it's way more agersive looking!

[@combatarmsmaniac]

The cts v Was way cheaper than the m5 new now almost 10 years later its worth more. Tells ya all u need to know

[@vernonprice5986]

Cadillac has better quality ratings than BMW does, and let's see if you can actually define "integrity" in this context. The CTS-V is the better car, for a vastly lower price.

[@sidewayznut2009]

Your probably right. I'm just trying to paint the typical scenario. Honestly Caddilac has made a disproportional amount of crappy cars or overpriced cars that are junk in a few years. Personally I like the CTS in general and think it has just as good of build quality as any car (except maybe the interior) but it will take more than one good model for a brand to hold good value. The CTSV maybe the exception to the rule. because lets face other GM cars didn't hold like that.

[@vernonprice5986]

Like I said, come back and talk to me after you've driven a CTS-V. You don't need 390 lb-ft of torque to drive a car either, this isn't about whether it's necessary to make the car move. This is about how it makes the car feel when you drive it. Because the CTS-V has so much torque you don't need to downshift to pass people. It's just nicer than having to downshift any time you want to do anything.

[@blue03r6]

the cady has 6 piston brembo calipers. it should have the superior brakes if used with the proper pads and master cylinder. I like bmw cars especially the m3 and m5 but I like the cts-v. finally gm is showing it can build decent cars. people will buy them if they would just build them.

[@originaldriver2066]

Well said...

[@alexuin]

CTS-V is the best american car ever made, and is better that a BMW M5 Nice job GM!!!!!

[@89timdog]

to all you caddy haters out there this video just prove that it takes engineers to build a very high priced overly complicated machine to beat the cts-v the sedans ultimate bang for the buck. not to mention it goes over 190 mph with the manual at under 70 big ones.

[@wazon8]

BMW M5 E60 was made in 2005, so it's pretty old construction.

[@vernonprice5986]

Yeah I've driven the V10 M5. It's a nice car, but it lacks torque and it's not as sharp or as fun to drive. And frankly the suspension isn't as good at absorbing bumps mid-corner, it's less stable.

[@kirayamatoikimas]

The E60 M5 doesn't have the engine sounds piped into the cabin.

[@pontiacGXPfan]

It does now

[@lfsracer79]

It's the M5 that had the disadvantage with the manual.

[@992turbos8]

The only reason the Cad won is it’s supercharger giving it more HP and Torque take away the supercharger it will lose in all categories, this is not a haters rant it’s just facts Being all natural aspirated engine it is the fastest production vehicle made like the video explained the handling of the Cad falls short of the BMW