Cadillac CTS-V vs BMW M5 Road Course Battle

We pit our favorite super sedan from Munich, the BMW M5, against Motowns all-new CTS-V. We head to a road course to find out which one is the race track king.

[@Trades46]

In 2009 the CTS-V beat the M5 by a slim margin. Do this today in the even more powerful F10 M5 & the mk.3 CTS-V, and I bet the Cadillac will walk all over the BMW all over again. I hope a 2015/16 version of this battle will surface.

[@VinayKumar-db4qz]

The Cadillac looks much nicer than the BMW.

[@mkuroglu]

@3XICS This test was conducted in 2009, and back then we didnt have the F10 M5, what do you suggest they compare it with? Any other 500hp rwd manual car that comes to your mind?

[@SocraticMind89]

@endMCMXCII doesnt the Bimmer have a v-10 though?

[@greg657]

so far every road test I've seen gave the win to the ctsv. had to know that the Beemer lovers would come unglued.they just can't accept that an American car could beat out that M5. it's highly unlikely that the editors are being biased. car editors love BMW 's... As far as I'm concerned, the M5 is boring. it's lines and styling are lame. even if the Beemer smoked the caddy I'd still take the caddy just on looks alone.

[@SN-kq8pc]

test drive one and the other and free your soul of this dissatisfaction of uncertainty ...

[@bman1668]

This comment did not age well 😂

[@antndrvc]

In every american car review,the american car is always better... BMW is pure driving expirience,you can't compare that to a cadilac

[@bighands69]

El Dasa The Cadillac has more luxury. It has a better engine. It is cheaper. It it obvious which is better.

[@Fernando5455Jr]

+bighands69 +bighands69 more Luxury?? Did you need hear that he said lots of parts inside feel like cheap plastic. And better engine? Hell no. Take out the supercharger and see how good of an engine it really is. The M5 uses no Super or Turbo charger.

[@greg657]

+Fernando Lagunas 500 hp outa 5 liter engine. you know it'll never last, it's over complicated and gonna be prone to problems. gm has the technology to easily pull 550 hp outa that 6.2 but lower compression and super charging makes more sense. that v10 will empty your wallet when it goes for a shit. and it will

[@Fernando5455Jr]

+Greg Or Jen 507 hp. The E60 BMW M5 is not prone to problems. I should know because I have a M5. That GM has the technology, does not really make sense to say. This is BMW. The M5 used F1 technology. Jeremy Clarkson has said the M5 is one of the best cars he has every driven. My wallet is still full.

[@greg657]

+Fernando Lagunas high horsepower,small displacement engines aren't exactly know for reliability.and just because it uses so called f1 technology doesn't make it any more reliable. that's a fact. and if you can get a Beemer owner to get there heads out there asses ,you might actually find out the cars aren't as perfect as they think they are. I should know, I work on euro cars everyday. they keep me employed.

[@mrbishopstrong]

do u guys think they switch the m button on???

[@SoreHead11]

@cadrolls #10) How much of the parts that go into a Caddy are made in the USA??

[@Dgannt]

Refinement cost. That is what you want in a luxury sporty sedan. A sure footed car that delivers power smoothly and handles smoothly with a cabin quality to match the rest. But the cheaper hot rod like Caddy has also it's merits, but at a lower entry level.

[@vernonprice5986]

Actually the CTS-V is exactly what you just described. You've never driven a CTS-V so you have no idea what you're talking about, but there's a reason they use a 6.2 liter V8, and it's called TORQUE. Do you know what torque translates to? SMOOTHNESS. And of course the magnetic suspension takes care of ride smoothness, something you would already know if you had ever driven one. And the steering is spot on, it's ridiculously surefooted and neutral feeling, far mores than you would expect form a heavy car like that. Again, you would have had to drive one to understand that. The only thing "lower" about the CTS-V is the price, everything else is better than the M5.

[@Dgannt]

Vernon Price The price is not lower, at least not when it gets to Europe or many other places around the world. And it's not that sure footed according to this test. A bit nose heavy and lose back, which means it turns good into a corner but when pushed you will lose the back and end driving backward. That is opposite of M5. If you push the M5 you wont lose the back but get a mild understeer that tells you you are getting to the limit. So which one is better in a luxury performance sedan? And this NA V10 could holed it's own against this monster 6,2L supercharged Caddy despite having more than 50 hp less. The new M5 has a 4,4L twine turbo engine delivering almost 600 hp and a tone of torque. Also too much torque is not good either. A little sportines is good even in these luxury cars and reving the engine can be rewarding. Something you can do in the M5. Then we got the bigger space in both 3 and 5-series compared to their Caddy counterparts. The new Cadillacs are great cars compared to what they used to build before the 2008 crash. They have come a long way but I think most know BMW still is the class leader.

[@MrMightyZ]

@Vernon Price this guy is weighing pros and cons whereas you are simply saying the Caddy is better in every way. I own a high powered RWD GM sedan and I LOVE it but the guys doing this test just said there are a few areas in which the Beemer is better. Gets it's power down better, feels more expensive, better interior. The Caddy would be my choice but it is obviously not better than the BMW in every way. Beware the one-eyed supporter for he has abandoned reason.

[@vernonprice5986]

Dave L Oh so the Caddy is not better in every way? The BMW "gets its power down better" because it's down almost 200 lb-ft of torque from the CTS-V. It's like saying it gets its power down better because it doesn't have enough torque to spin the wheels. Is that really an advantage? "feels expensive" is completely subjective and the interior on that M5 is definitely not better than the one in the CTS-V. Have you seen both of them? Also Bezor Ta is a well known BMW fanboy, He's not ever reasonable, and he hates Cadillac. He's posted in many, many other threads about this. And you're saying I've abandoned reason, even though I'm right? By saying that, it sounds like you've abandoned reason, as you don't seem to have any interest in the truth.

[@Dgannt]

Vernon Price Come on, I don't hate Cadillac. But instead of praising Cadillac for what it has achieved and their new cars one has to argue against guys like you who make over the top assumptions. BMW did not become BMW over the night. They have long experience in making luxury sedans and coupes and also performance models. They have been class leaders for a long time and acknowledging that fact is not being a BMW fanboy. It's facts. And saying BMW is better than Cadillac is not being BMW fanboy. Again it's a fact. Cadillac turned things around seriously first after 2008. And while their cars are good they are not as good or even better (according to guys like you) than BMW. Yes the CTS-V has a powerful engine but as many reviewers has said it doesn't always work so well with the transmission. Power delivery is not as refined as in the BMW and that BMW has enough power to spin lose the wheels but it spins less because it puts down power better, thanks to a better chassis. The quality is better and while the same size BMW manages to have bigger space in their cars. A lot of small things like that add up to a better car. This is like Corvette and the new Stingray. You want to praise GM for making such a nice new car. But oh no, once again you have to explain to some delusional Vette fans why it's not as good as Ferrari. Then they say I hate Corvette. I actually want to buy one because I like it. But I'm not that delusional to say it's a better car than 458.

[@jeremiah584]

CTSV is in a completely different category. E60 M5 is superior in every way. It's not even fair to pit them against each other. I am not talking about "on paper" I am talking about real life application. Also, the Cadillac ages really badly, but the M5 is timeless. Don't believe me then take a look at Bimmers' predecessors, not to mention their residual value. Argument over. Go home CTSV you're defeated.

[@nickb3668]

Lol whatever you want to tell yourself. The CTS-V was faster, therefore the M5 is not superior in "every way." Youre going to be really pissed when the next gen CTS-V wipes the floor with the M5 again, for less money.

[@jeremiah584]

***** That was very well stated. It seems a bit strange that we are debating which of these cars is best when they are far from equally yoked. It's like comparing apples to oranges, or Bimmers to Cadillacs in this case.

[@vernonprice5986]

***** And how are they not comparable again, exactly? The CTS-V beats the M5 in every measurable way, so what are you not clear about? Clearly the CTS-V is the best car, they proved that multiple times so if there is any confusion about why they're being compared, it has to be confusion as to why the M5 is still being mentioned. You would have to be an idiot to buy a much more expensive M5 over the better performing, better handling, faster CTS-V.

[@vernonprice5986]

***** Except the E60 M5 never did it in 7:52. That is a fake time, as I've already pointed out to you multiple times already. The E60 M5 did it in a best of 8:13. Please tell me you're not stupid enough to believe the E60 M5 was faster than the F10 M5 around the nurburgring. Are you that stupid? The CTS-V beats the E60 M5 in every measurable way, and I say that because it was actually measured. The CTS-V was faster in the slalom, it braked in a shorter distance, it has a higher skidpad, it's faster in a straight line and it got through their course faster too. So what part of "faster in every measurable way" are you having difficulty understanding? The fact that you're bringing aftermarket modifications into the discussion is proof positive that you lost. Oh but if you like, please tell me how you add "a couple of superchargers" to an M5. I want to see if you even recognize the fact that you're talking out of your ass. And price is a set thing, it's not a variable determined by your imagination. The CTS-V is cheaper than the M5. The end. And yes the M5 was the benchmark... a benchmark used specifically to make the CTS-V better in every measurable way. Which it was. As proven by this video, which you don't seem to have watched.

[@vernonprice5986]

***** Yes, it's a very fake time. If you think it isn't, then provide the source for that time. Here's the source for the 8:13 time: BMW M5 E60 8:13 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2004) Your turn, show me the source for that 7:52 time. Do it now. Any excuses you make for not providing it will reduce your already stunted credibility to zero. I shouldn't have to say this but obviously because you're "special" it needs to be said: The page you got that time from can be edited by anybody. And that's exactly what happened, somebody made up a time and plugged it in. But go ahead, prrove me wrong. Show me the source. And while you're at it, tell me more about how the E60 M5 is faster than the F10 M5 around the Nurburgring. Explain that to me. In detail. And yes, every measurable way. Did you not see the measured tests that proved it? It's in this video, and a couple others by Motor Trend on the same series of tests. I can't help it if you're determined to remain ignorant on this subject. I can't force you to learn. And finalhy, I like how your argument against the CTS-V has now been whittled down to "it's stupid shaped". Really, Shakespeare? It's stupid shaped? Wow.

[@SoreHead11]

@cadrolls1 I've lost track .What do you not do?

[@blahbla6666]

@hawksleyart01 and how much did u spend on it?

[@MarekTurbo]

E60 M5 manual gearbox ??

[@SooperKewl]

Wow, the production values of MT's videos sure have improved over the last couple of years.

[@onquarter]

@andreicamp what could be better than tons of understeer?

[@sjpb1982]

@9090mt and which state of the USA do you actually live in?

[@igotjuice007]

Does the M5 not have paddle shifters or something?

[@therealsatan]

@ken060693 On their delivery vehicles?

[@NotesofNate]

about that rear stepping out comparison..the CTSV was faster on entry speed.At the same speed as the Bimmer would the rear of stepped...and can the CTSV run hard all day like the BMW?

[@V8Supercar1]

@lilstathaki: Did BMW have a 7 speed auto for this car in 2009?

[@blahbla6666]

@hawksleyart01 and did u drive the car like an old man? Because i see lada"s running also..

[@userguy1234able]

@OhNoYouCant Is that you cadrolls?

[@1998620Miki]

i have an engine from a cadilac cts-v and transmision from the car too and the car is choped into peaces and please tell me is it a good idea to put it in a bmw m5 e34 RWD? pls thumbs up so someone could see this

[@moternm5]

@1morrel Here is my question, they are pretty close when it comes to performance. But what about: Ergonomics, safety, comfort, resale and durability? Roth both of these motors at redline until they break, which engine do you think will bust first? Run both cars on a track for 24 hours non-stop, whose brakes are in better shape at the end?

[@Daniel-gi1cy]

Well the cts v has some of the biggest and best brakes on a car period and the motor is absolutely bulletproof one of the most reliable ever made, magnetic ride shocks put it far ahead of many others and reliability has been far superior than that bmw, in fact that bmw was one of the worst of bmws which already has the worst reputation for reliability, cts v all day long

[@ParisTNDude]

@hawksleyart01 I think that's right, but it really has nothing to do with whether or not they can beat the BMW or the Mustang GT500. I think on any good day and depending on the tune any one of them are a good match for the others. I would take anyone one of them, but I would certainly get rid of the Beamer before the warranty is up. Are you in England?

[@MrMooseSlayer]

I agree, Seahawk... "so much power" how many times did he say that? I think he was a bit scared of it. I've got a 2011 with the automatic tranny. Wish I would have got the manual. Next time :)

[@Evan12345678]

@mehrdadr59 I saw all 3 videos that motortrend did, and in every one they declare the caddy the winner in every category. how is the caddy less sporty than the M5 if it wins at the track, strip, and skidpad?

[@krackatony]

@MDIVISIONRULES the only thing that needs 4 wheel steering is trucks. my dads silverodo has 4 wheel steering and it tramindously useful for get n in to tight spots but do u really need that on a car i dont think so.

[@Molo9000]

5:21 Bad sunburn?

[@hXcsoccerplaya]

Bro do you even lift?

[@NE889955]

@SantaHatesGays Do ya know how to drive a car with a manual gear box? or as you say " a stick shift " ^^

[@blahbla6666]

@hawksleyart01 U dont buy it second hand? Wy? Some1 could realy drove the car?

[@majestixblue]

it seems he didn't push the BMW and if it's his first time in the circuit, 2nd run with CTS will be better right?

[@Konformation07]

@Lavdr1m yep the North American version did have a manual available as an option however the European version didn't

[@Dogmeowruffruff]

The dude didn't even try to drive that m5 , but when he was in the caddy, it was a whole different thing .

[@uberenthusiasts]

@stephenBquick Nice point; Maybe I should have thought of it that way, as I totally forgot this and the ZR1 share the same engine. Great cars nonetheless though.

[@unknownunknowns]

@ZarahBaccha I agree and to add I do think there is 'more to do' driving the M5 than the CTS-V because there is precision.

[@alfa75gta]

Perhaps there is some bias here, perhaps there is not. However, the CTS-V is impressive, no doubts about that. Its one of the first American cars to ever rival Europe's best. Its taken a long time but Caddy's done a great job here. I'm not a fan of American cars but I DO like the Cadillac CTS-V. Love the angular lines too. Great piece of kit...

[@Jonathan-Pilkington]

Gotta love the american cars these days..used to be impossible to like but they've become beautiful, modern and are now huge ccontenders on the track. Saw the cts-v in person yesterday what a beauty!! I'd only pick the M5 because of that V10 noise, especially with an aftermarket exhaust :D

[@jellen5]

Wtf, why did he have the DSC on while driving round the track?

[@zzzhuh]

I think we knew who was gonna win, go big or go home.

[@hawkdsh]

BTW, GM has had OHC engines for a long, long, time (Pontiac used them in the 60s, Cadillac has had the Northstar for quite some time, Oldsmobile had the Quad4, which the Ecotec replaced), but the smaller pushrod design has proven to be more flexible for performance applications, in terms of packaging, and very reliable.

[@AlexKBK]

@v8cool1 Right on brother :). I guess I never was interested in Cadis so i haven't noticed that. All my life My family owned a BMW and i'm 18 now and rive one myself (335i coup) and I only notice Bimmers on the roads but not that much Cadis.

[@ditimedia93]

m5 is v10?

[@Fernando5455Jr]

Why did they use a Manuel? They should have used one with the 7 speed SMG. People have tested the M5 going 0 to 60 in 3.9 sec. Plus the 5.0 V10 has made for the SMG.

[@REDSHlFT]

+Fernando Lagunas The same can be said for the CTS-V. The auto is faster so if one of them is auto then they both should be and the book times on the auto CTS-V is 3.9, not so for the BMW, just because 'some people' have tested it at that...it's not the generally accepted value.

[@Fernando5455Jr]

+Mental Viirus (MentalVirus) CTS-V uses fake power. Anyone can put a supercharger in a car and make fake Hp. The fact that this M5 does not have any turbocharged or supercharged speaks volumes of how amazing the M5 really is. And hell even Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear has said about the M5 “It’s a world of motoring perfection. If you want to take it on...don’t bother. It doesn’t matter what you’ve got. It doesn’t matter what you’ve ever driven. This is quicker, it’s faster, it’s MORE astonishing. You just can’t believe you’re in a big 4-door saloon because it goes and it feels and it SOUNDS like a Ferrari 430, and that’s about the best car I’ve ever driven. The steering, the brakes, the power. And this noise… The driving experience just dominates everything…. It’s an epic car, just brilliant.”

[@lilstathaki]

Fernando5455 it's not even about if the Cadillac was an auto transmission, the smg is 7spd so it has different gearing advantages over the 6spd, not just about "auto" vs manual, and smg is a manual for anyone who doesn't know, it's not an automatic

[@skylersutton241]

lilstathaki the smg is a "sequential manual gearbox" so its essentially an automatic transmission

[@Inklebonker1]

@unknownunknowns Which I cant figure out how they made the ZR1 look bad especially when it turns back extreme numbers not only in strait line speed but also on the race track.

[@Inpheksion12]

@JohnMorganEvans The hot lap was with Stabili-Trax on for nthe CTS, if you listened, the driver was commenting on how the SCS was kicking on when he throttled out of corners, the Host at the end was just commenting on how the CTS was fun to drive with it off.

[@alexlugovoy]

@sabby123456789 he would say "it feels like normal bmw 5 series car, until you press M button" so here is the question did they press it ?

[@saggysack89]

there are tons of videos from the street of cts-v's walking away form 360 m5's

[@nimsocutt]

In Europe the bmw m5 comes with a smg 7 speed gear box as standard,Ithink that would change the results a lot more than you think,btw does GM only has a ruller for design?:))

[@Kenny600]

WTF does this m5 have a manual gearbox ? or did they just put the wrong video footage and the right sound together ??

[@xSnubNose]

finally somebody who knows about cars :)

[@vincentas]

wait a sec, did that guy drove m5 with stability control on?

[@Marc99GT]

The person that said there are videos of M5s walking away from CTS-V's is full of crap. Maybe the older CTS-V, but the new one, even with that 6L90 auto as actually quicker in the 1/4 than the stick version. I was in a CTS-V a few months ago and it is a monster. The torque truly stands out in that car.

[@SoreHead11]

@L571J They do now but at some point people need to take responsibility for their own actions. When was the last time you stamped on both the throttle and brake? Also, there may be cars out there that do over ride one for the other but I'd put money that it's not even close to most of them.

[@AutoAndrew]

@Metman07 yea it has like a twin turbo v8 with 550 hp i think it will be a real fight with the cts-v only 6 more hp

[@brent440]

My Dodge Diesel has the power of both of them together, plus a little more, plus could haul either of them through the quarter mile, racing and beating the other one at the same time. It's a great wood hauler too!

[@Thunderboardautos]

@hawksleyart01therefore I respect that based on your interest you picked the CTSV, I normaly think that when you buy a car it countson what you desire! so I can say it is a good car to buy, but in my personal point of view if I would consider a car that I consider best of my choice in different aspects then you would understand why I choose BMW, however thats if I can afford it, but when we need to speak of lower cost with similar perfomance then I agree with the caddilac could be an option

[@SoCalFlya]

@bradkrit very well said

[@0to300]

some other vids suggest that the caddy does hold a good time around a fast track, interesting..

[@ohmannhey]

DUDE ... if the M5 back was "well planted" then you were nowhere near the limit!

[@cuda1179]

@username2153 Whoops, I remembered the wrong video. It must have been the Car and Driver video where the CTSV got better braking. By the way, .4 seconds in the 1/4 mile is HUGE. That .4 seconds represents it going almost 4% faster. My point still holds. How is it you claim the M5 is better when the BEST it could do, even by your accounts, was tie the CTSV?

[@scarface115]

a much deserved win for the v. that car can go fast and look good while it's doing it. with the 30k you save, you could get the cts-v700 and pay about as much as the m5. if you install the parts yourself it's less. for roughly the same cost, you're getting a car which i personally believe looks better than the m5 and will blow its doors off instead of only being slightly faster like a normal v is. cadillac FTW!

[@ericaioana]

that was a surprise...

[@bober9989]

@Anonymous1226 im driving 1995 m3 and I had no major problem with engine...

[@4RINGSS5]

Never was a fan of American cars but I will admit that CTS is one fine car.

[@uberenthusiasts]

@micheskillz Did you reply to the wrong comment???

[@venom5809]

I am about 90% certain that the CTS-V will be my next car. I own an AMG S class and I was looking at the Audi S5 yesterday and it is nice. The Cadillac dealership across the street had a couple of CTS-Vs and they are about the same price as the S5. However the CTS-V just destroys about everything with its horsepower and pricing, and I can carry 4 to 5 people in it comfortably. With regards to the M5, it is just a steal at $30-40K cheaper. And the CTS looks and sounds more badass than anything.

[@paytreeitboosehvn]

@Inpheksion ah my mistake i must have not heard that

[@marcusAmaximus]

@CyberGTX09 I had a 1994 Z28 Convertible in the 90's, great car LT-1 engine I believe! I've had a 1978 Porsche 911 Carrera, a 1987 Posche 944 Turbo and a 1972 VW Beetle I built into a STERLING Kit car, that was FUN! So I love German stuff, and English stuff, Italian stuff, and American as well, the French, well I don't really like their stuff! LOL

[@ThirdLife86]

@L571J Or he just recently bought a broken CTS-V ;) Hehe. I think it's weird that the US-M5-Model comes with a 6 Speed manual. We in germany only have the 7-Speed SMG Drivetrain.

[@gtadrif]

Hey did you that the m5 has an Idrive oo yhea thats a computer that you can up the power from the 400 to 500m sport. that honestley did not sound like it was 500 more like 400

[@aeroplano111]

That extra $30,000 is worth every penny for the M5

[@Thunderboardautos]

@heartboy86 Hp counts when the RPM reached to the max and it differs from one car to another, however if you want to talk about acceleration its all about the torque... and to produce so much torque is not an issue, the issue is how to put so much torque on the rear wheels and how to satbilize it for best performance!

[@majorglenn]

What a course tztzzzzz Bring both cars to Germany, Nurburgring. Thats what I call BATTLE...

[@kingermanfool]

Cadillac is amazing. It even got better review results in German carshows. I'm German and i would prefer the Cadillac anytime.

[@Marc99GT]

@juscurious I agree. The average driver would end up in the woods or the livingroom of someones house. I have seen maybe one CTS-V on the road and 1 M5 in about 4-5 years. Not very common at all. I have seen a few C6 Z06 Corvettes in the last few days and went for a ride in one a few weeks ago and it was insane.

[@micheskillz]

@hawksleyart01 And please update me on what other 500hp v10 engines get atleast the same MPG on the same weight or more? Could you do it better? Why would they win an award for the engine if it's that bad as you say it? A forced inducted engine will always be easier to maintain to higher MPG's and better emissions (hence the new M5 will have a v8 twin turbo, not because a bad 5.0 V10), that is sad though, as that isn't really for an m-car. But i'm sure it will do power. But nothing impressive

[@moist_ointment]

@cadrolls1 and Ferrari uses our GM MagneRide suspension

[@stelthy100]

2009 Cadillac CTS-V Nurburgring Testing: 7:59.32 lap of the Nordschleife world record.

[@cadrolls]

No other car maker in the world is building cars that are more technologically advanced than Cadillac.

[@unknownunknowns]

@Inklebonker1 Have you driven it like they have? I'm not going to say they're wrong/biased but Jeremry did say they were fun to drive but just 'uncontrollabe'.

[@baur02]

V > M. More power, better handling, magnetic ride control, (I personally like the interior better) Recaro seats, french stitching, AND $30,000 LESS! But in the M5's defense it does have that blue and white badge thing on the front, those little things are pretty expensive.

[@V8Supercar1]

@nerses1: Not to mention. The Cadillac CTS-V is the only 500+hp sedan in the world, that comes with a 5 year or 100,000 mile powertrain warranty. And why shouldn't it? Its got a race bred and endurance tested engine.

[@O7ROADKING]

nice job GM

[@kellypf]

And I have the LS series motors - in my 707 HP Corvette. I L-O-V-E that too!!!!

[@tade911]

Would pick the M5 over the Cadillac any day ... Just the roar from the V10 already justifies my decision :)

[@axzell2]

Why did they test the M5 with manual gearbox and not the paddle gearbox? That would give much better acceleration times on the dragrace and also on the acceleration straights on the road course.

[@cuda1179]

@bleezy650 I'd say that the caddy is better because, as you pointed out, it goes faster in a straight line and it is cheaper. However, it also has better gas mileage, more interior room (great for me as I am 6'5" tall), corners better, can be insured for less money, it is easer and cheaper to maintain, and it has tried-and true technology that is easy to find spare parts for.

[@ohmannhey]

@SpeedyNeutrino43 We are not surprised at all as the chassis was designed by GMs Opel devision (Opel Technik Zentrum) in Rüsselsheim.

[@SoreHead11]

@cadrolls Toyota did all those recalls and have now fitted all the safety features as std across the entire range (unlike Caddy) and it wasn't even a problem with the cars. How much more proactive do you want?

[@MewCat100]

@v8cool1 I think many people who own the M5 would disagree regarding comfort. The car was designed to be a daily driver as well as a supersedan. I agree that they are not for offroad, but they are sedans that carry 4-5 people just like any other sedan. In essence, they are super-sedans, emphasis on the sedan. They are to be comfortable, high-end luxury sedans with performance. That is their niche.

[@moist_ointment]

@therealsatan on their performance vehicles. it was originally deveolped for the corvette, and then placed on the cts-v, and now ferrari purchases it from gm for most of their performance oriented cars

[@SoreHead11]

@cadrolls1 Not sure what world you're from??

[@mechmusician]

Q: Caddy's answer to the new M5? A: Swap LSA engine for LS9 for 638hp instead of 556hp. Same price as old motor. Death to M5. On top of that, there are hundreds of aftermarket tuners for RWD GM V8 cars. The LS motor can go all the way to 2500hp.

[@CoreyForeside]

@hawksleyart01 That's true. People try to complain about the little plastic it does have.

[@cuda1179]

We should all remember some other things. Not everyone drives on a perfectly paved road course. Some people drive on rough highways, or heavy forbid GRAVEL. In tests concerning those conditions the CTSV outperformed the M5 by a prety fair margin.

[@SpeedyNeutrino43]

I'm suspicious of anybody named "Arthur St. Antoine"

[@jml8841]

@hawksleyart01 Yeah but that corvette was tuned to give more horsepower. If you give S65 AMG (I assume you mean the s-class since there is NO c-class available with a V12) to brabus, they can get close to 800 HP out of the same engine.

[@ThirdLife86]

@L571J He's obviously delirious. :D