2012 Cadillac CTS-V vs. 2013 BMW M5 | Road and Track

Last time around, the Cadillac CTS-V won our match-up. Now, there is an all-new BMW M5. Which will win this epic head-to-head battle? Get the full road test and specs here: bit.ly/M7JXLx

[@IronhideX5]

Can we just agree that both r beasts in every way. Seriously

[@MrMe1280]

i can't wait till the price drops to around/below $30k i'll have the cts-v that day.my boy has an 07 m5 with the V10 that thing is crazy fast but maint' and repairs are a small fortune on there own. i'll have the old reliable gm V8.

[@bcbp14]

That v10 with aftermarket exhaust is insane, I too am afraid of the parts cost that come along with owning an M.

[@jeffb5167]

+empty pockets USA! USA! USA!

[@flipakine]

lol you may get away with a cost effective v8 but with that v10 you get insane exotic sound and how often does ANYONE get to say. " I've got a v10" lol

[@firstgear8022]

lol. and youll always be left behind in the sloppy gm v8.. reliable? lol u read up on the c7 vette issues? u gotta have balls to owm an Mcar son

[@Fony_turgeson]

Prices are not dropping

[@goddesseddog]

People need to understand that M5 and E63 are not 'overpriced' but over-TAXED. While they may be 30-40% more expensive than American cars in the US, American cars (and other imports) are just as expensive in Europe. For example, a Lexus LS460 is 60-70% more expensive in Europe than it is in the US. The base Ford Focus with the smallest engine in US is the model with the largest engine in Europe, and it costs 120% more than it does in the US. I would bet money that BMs and MBs have their price tags at their present level because of the absurd level of taxation in their production. I recall that France has a payroll tax of 70-80%. There are also mandatory benefit contributions that equal 100% of the salary. If it's my money, I would invest in Africa before considering doing business in the EU. Wonder why German cars have such abysmal reliability record? Money is saved where it can be - places you don't see. For example, whereas American and Japanese cars use plastic in the body panels and interior, Germans use plastic for gears, pumps, and shafts. Their cars are unreliable by design, just so you can keep paying them after the sale.

[@IIIBETEPIII]

flowerdemon BMWs in Germany cost approximately 50% more than in US/Canada. Which taxes are you taking about?

[@nikolaykulikov266]

Maintenance on the Caddy is soooo much cheaper and it will cost you a lot less money to mod a caddy then a bmer :))

[@joshuaoblon2105]

In short, BMW now caters to women who want comfort, and can no longer be regarded as a performance car, and Cadillac is the best for everything else, like speed and agility.

[@evanwallace1744]

yes.

[@IIIBETEPIII]

Mackenson Kulan They have their own engines, and they are cheaper to maintain and more reliable than BMWs.

[@michaelshaw224]

I love my V and its certainly powerful as hell but that m5 is so much sexier

[@Rozzjd]

M5 is much more sexier? Cut the shit dude, fuck off! You have a V series (right?) & the sound of the engine makes me hard. Beautiful car.

[@Flabernat]

Great review. Can't wait for the next CTS-V vs M5! :)

[@disinferno06]

Holy crap you guys have come a long way.......wow

[@ZamatoElite]

Cadillac is back baby!!!

[@georgiosioakeimidis8465]

In your dream

[@juanflores4225]

I'd prefer the M5 a worthy investment if you know how to take care of your car. Ive owned two GM cars and it gave me nothing but problems i bought a 2005 M3 a several years ago and lets just say for a used car I've never had any issues with it the car is about to hit the 200k mark never letting it go.. :)

[@vernonprice5986]

Well for one things cars aren't investments at all, and for another depreciation is much worse on M5s than it is on CTS-Vs. GMC, Chevy and Cadillac are all higher than BMW on JD Power's initial quality rankings and have less problems per car than BMWs do. I'm glad you haven't had any issues with your BMW, but that is absolutely the exception and not the rule. This M5 has already had a recall so serious they had to completely stop production on the car and institute a sales freeze while they fixed it. It was causing the engines to blow up.

[@vernonprice5986]

***** Actually investment does, SPECIFICALLY mean "in monetary terms". That's specifically what an investment is. And because the M5's depreciation is much worse than the CTS-V's, and because it costs $40k more than the CTS-V, the M5 is a much worse investment. And that's assumng you buy an M5 for investment reasons, which would be idiotic because they're not rare and they don't hold their value. And yes, JD Power is a reliable source. All their data comes from actual owners, and you just said that ownership is a reliable source of information. You just don't like what they have to say, so you call them unreliable. LOL? Way to contradict yourself there, buddy. Here's a hint: Next time research how JD Power gets their data before shooting yourself in the foot. And yes, I have a CTS-V, I drive it every day. No, I'm not making a video for you. Get over it.

[@juanflores4225]

Vernon Price i have nothing against cadillac hell one of my favorite cars is a XLR which im pretty sure you're familiar with. I simply prefer european cars they're just better built hence the bigger price tag. I know what an investment means but its not what i meant buying any car youre not getting your money back but its about getting my money's worth is what i meant

[@vernonprice5986]

Juan Flores Except they're not better built. Go read a dependability study. And German cars are the worst possible example you could have used for getting your money's worth. An Audi RS6 is $125,000 why, again?

[@juanflores4225]

Vernon Price and a corvette is a 105k why again?? Have you seen the cheap plastics they use to build a corvette? European cars use better materials and are more expensive because of production costs almost everything is hand built and the wages for those employees are way better than what americans make why? Because alot of employees own stakes in the company and actually have a say in what changes need to be made and how the production plant is ran. You dont have that in american cars unions got greedy and so did gm why do you think they needed the goverments help to stay afloat? Because they werent building the cars to effectively compete with european cars and japanese cars at that.

[@edithtaylor3251]

I LOVE the Cadillac CTS-V! WOW!

[@m_rod9562]

all these new BMW's look exactly the same. The Caddy is so awesome!

[@FIFAracer]

M5>CTS-V You can't choose the cadillac, even if you are extremely biased like the reviewers!

[@vernonprice5986]

So what you're saying is that you're extremely biased.

[@FIFAracer]

Vernon Price The cadi is slower, uglier, got worse quality, worse ride comfort,...

[@vernonprice5986]

***** So you're biased and an idiot. Worse quality? Go look it up on JD Power where you will find BMW has FAR more quality issues than Cadillacs do. Worse ride comfort? The CTS-V has magneride, and the BMW doesn't. The ride is better in the Cadillac in both touring and sport modes, and the suspension is far more advanced. That's why they Ferrari 458 uses Magneride shocks, because they're the best. The CTS-V is more engaging to drive, the BMW is kind of boring. It doesn't feel as connected, the steering isn't as good, and the simple fact is that the M5 is a minimum $30k more than the CTS-V, and that's before you add any options. The CTS-V also does 11.7 @ 120 stock, so the M5 isn't actually faster either.

[@FIFAracer]

Vernon Price So you didn't watch the vid or are extrermely biased (or stupid).

[@vernonprice5986]

***** Oh, I didn't watch the video? And you did? Then maybe you can tell me which car they preferred to drive around the track. I also told you to go look up reliability on JD Power. Have you done that yet? And since you think the BMW automatically wins everything, you must be extremely biased.

[@tonytv4722]

I wonder how many recalls the Cadillac will have... or is it safe to say it will be a total recall. ;)

[@vernonprice5986]

Right, because BMW has never had to issue any recalls. www.autoblog.com/bmw/recalls/ And then there was that whole thing about the new M5's engine EXPLODING. An issue so severe that not only did they have to completely halt production, they had to halt SALES. But go ahead and tell me more about how Cadillac has so many recalls.

[@tonytv4722]

Vernon Price Sure I would love to. Let's "Cadillac" is made by this company named "GM" and Cadillac has a shitty and not to mention deadly parts that GM makes. So far I believe and correct me if I'm wrong "GM" has recalled about 29 million cars that have their shitty deadly parts in them. And these deadly parts have killed 11 PEOPLE!!!! so far. So can you please tell me how many people BMW killed due to faulty parts.

[@tomfelia1108]

Vernon Price But Caddys are Shitty and ugly.... and also for people over 75 www.autoblog.com/2014/10/02/gm-recall-chassis-control-module-official/ So GM, what is the problem, (a) bad engineers, (b) bad parts due to cheapness (c) assembly line running to fast or (d) incompetent management or maybe (e) all of the previous ?

[@tonytv4722]

Vernon Price so what if it had a better time it's still not fun or comfortable to drive and it looks like the shit I took last night after eating Chipotle ;)

[@tonytv4722]

***** prove it, do you any links you can provide that shows what you are talking about is true?

[@roadracevette94]

Hey Joshua...what country do you live in?

[@bensonavery3521]

I absolutely LOVE the new Cadillac CTS-V. It is the perfect example of what American engineers can do when they put their minds to it. Imagine, Cadillac went from an old man's car to one of the HOTTEST cars ever sold in this country in just 4 short years. For my money, it's Cadillac for me!

[@mattphillips8644]

lets look at the price difference here (i'm not a big fan of either car) the BMW costs about $38,000 more. For what? BMWs are overpriced, it has a nicer interior but that's just because all cadillacs have bad interior. From a performance and driver standpoint the CTS-V is better.

[@vernonprice5986]

I mostly agree, but not about the interior. The CTS-V's interior is actually very nice, and I prefer it over the M5's dull, spartan interior.

[@mattphillips8644]

Vernon Price I'm not saying i'm a fan of BMW's interior (because i'm not), but the screen in the Cadillac doesn't always respond when you click it, and its a little bit annoying. The interior also doesn't feel very special. But Cadillac is on the right track, being an American I am impressed with how far the CTS-V has come and other American cars like the Corvette. The Cadillac is a great drivers car for the price. I like the Audi S6 and RS5 better than both of these cars though because those have great interior (especially the S6), and are very fast.

[@vernonprice5986]

Matt Phillips Oh are you talking about CUE? The CTS-V doesn't have CUE, and the screen in mine works 100% perfectly every time I use it. You should know, though, that the CTS-V is both cheaper and faster than both the S6 and the RS5. You wouldn't believe how much faster the CTS-V is than the RS5. I've raced a couple of them, and it's not even close, they are just not in the same league as the CTS-V. It would be fine if they didn't also cost more than the CTS-V, I mean with 420 HP they should cost more like $50k, not $60-70k. The new Chevy SS sedan has the Corvette's LS3 V8 with 415 HP, and it starts at $45k, and it was built with GM's modern, lightweight good handling design philosophies, just like the C7.

[@mattphillips8644]

Vernon Price The Cadillac's I've been in have an unimpressive interior. Your Cadillac isn't faster than the new S6... it goes 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. That blows away any Cadillac. The new RS5 is also definitely faster.

[@vernonprice5986]

Matt Phillips I don't agree with that, at least if we're talking about modern Cadillacs. The recent ones like the new CTS and XTS have really nicely designed interiors, and the CTS-V is nicer than the M5's.

[@johnsmiths8038]

bmw for life

[@southernpride1094]

Also, good point about the 50s, I forgot about those years.

[@bmwmdude]

I like both cars, I have driven the older M5, and personally would have the Caddy over it, simply bc of the insane price difference. Not just the purchase price, though. To maintain the BMW is gonna be way more expensive than the V, plus 30K for a second quicker on a track, that it will probably never see. As much as I love M's I can't even get behind that.

[@Stu282]

This has got to be the worst comment feed currently on the internet if people seriously think the BMW costs more because of the interior you're wasting everyone's time. Speccing the M5 with that 10 year old 550i manual gearbox is a huge insult to BMW deliberately down speccing it to make it seem fair on the Caddy. If you're not gonna test the cars in their optimum state there's no point comparing them. The M5 was designed from the ground up to use the DCT unit. That manual is a cheap fix afterthought to suit the American market, a poor gearbox for a modern M car.

[@Dgannt]

Exactly. You get what you pay for, allwyas. The M5 is a bit better everywhere and sums to a better overall car. It's never just a better interior. The materials used, built quality, the engine, how it delivers power, how it shifts and so on. It's a bit better in everything and that is whay you pay for. In Europe sometimes they compare Vauxhall VXR8 Tourer (Holden HSV) with M5 or Audi RS6. The last gen VXR8 has some 600 hp but it's still slower and does not have the same quality anywhere. You get what you pay for.

[@vernonprice5986]

bezor Ta Not really. If the M5 is a "bit better" then it should cost a "bit more". But it doesn't, it costs $50k more than the CTS-V - almost TWICE AS MUCH - fort MARGINALLY better performance, if any. For C&D's Lightning Lap, two different CTS-Vs beat both the new M5 and the new M6, which indicates the M5 is not actually a better performer.

[@Stu282]

Vernon Price This isn't a race. Did you honestly think in your own head that for large executive 4 door sports saloons/sedans the price should reflect it's lap time on a racing track? Seriously? Like bezor Ta mentioned, Holden build 600bhp 5 seaters all the time. It wouldn't give them the right to give it an M5 price tag because the overall quality is so far inferior regardless of the extra power. When the M5 was launched it went straight to the top of its class and has pretty much stayed there. Nobody outside America deems the CTS-V even worthy of comparison, let alone a winner.

[@vernonprice5986]

StuRaz Oh so price to performance isn't a thing in your world? It's a thing for people here in the real world. In fact it's one of the definitive factors of the word "value". When the CTS-V, the current version, launched, it took the M5 to school and left it there. That is what we like to call "a fact", and it is a fact REGARDLESS of who you think deems it worthy of comparison. That's the great thing about facts, they're not subject to your opinion. So when you have the CTS-V beating the M5's ass up and down the street in every performance category, and doing it for $40k less money while having the most advanced suspension in the world, real wood, Italian leather, suede, you really do have to ask the question: Why would I pay $40k more money for the M5?

[@Dgannt]

Vernon Price When you make everything a bit better it adds to the total cost. It's that little last bit that is the expensive part that people pay extra for. May I also mention that US car prices, the famous best bang for your money, does not exist anywhere but in US. These Cadillacs cost as much and sometimes even more than BMW and Audi here in Europe and elsewhere. It's only US tax laws that makes demestic cars much cheaper than imports. The new Corvette with the Z51 pack that cost $60K in US cost $110K in Sweden and $100K in Germany. Now that US manufacturers realized cars need handling and want to compeat with Euro cars, they have kind of over done it. These are luxury sedans, build to travel at high speed on Aoutbahns, in best luxury and quality. They are not track cars otherwise they would build them for even better handling if they thought the owners of these cars would take them to track. And Cadillac actually does not beat this M5. The BMW has better engine, gearbox, quality and speed. Cadillac may seem to have good materials but build quality is not at par with Euro cars. The best measure for success is sales and while BMW, Audi and Mercedes are global successes, Cadillac only sales are in US, despite over 30 years of trying to make it in Europe. It's a great car, just not there yet.

[@pascalmpower7944]

The CTSV is no more than a Corvette. Corvette engine, suspenion, rear differencial etc....

[@pascalmpower7944]

Corvette is the best handling car? Depands. The new one may be a good handling car but never close to best handling. Also the fastest BMW at Nurburg is M3 GTS 7:48, fastest Cadillac is 7:59. BMW is miles better than Cadillac in every single match.

[@pascalmpower7944]

Vernon Price Lets forget about ZR1, loads of cars faster than it. Did you compare a 09 CTS V to a 05 M5? The 2011 CTS V sport wagon ran 20seconds slower than the BMW M4 14. the 11 M5 also ran more than 10 seconds faster than the CTS V

[@pascalmpower7944]

So what? The 2011 M5 is faster and quicker. With a Manual trans, the M5 still tears Cadillac in pieces eiter in fuel eco, track handling, lap time and accelerartion.

[@pascalmpower7944]

Vernon Price US yes others no. 2011 M5 F10. Herd this term before? I think u should rewatch the whole video again.

[@pascalmpower7944]

Vernon Price BMW M5 F10 i faster and quicker, it beat CTS-V probably on all tracks. Straight line? Go ahead. don;t even try. The Cadillac view BMW as main competitor while BMW care nothing about Cadillac. However, with Corvette's E-diff, tyres, engine, trans, driveshaft etc... Still not enough for F10 M5. Go cry your lungs out fanboy!

[@edithtaylor3251]

So true. The Cadillac has demonstrated that it is better in every respect!

[@dericcurry1273]

Which one should I get? Cts or BMW

[@SCRAMBY18]

Both nice cars, M5 is just better quality car, the V interior is crappy compared to the M

[@mitchvenegas7073]

After owning a few American cars decided to try a BMW there's nothing like it. I would never go back to an American car. They're all cheap!!! You get what you pay for.

[@vernonprice5986]

Except you really don't get what you pay for. The M5 costs $40k more than the CTS-V before you even add any options to it. Does the M5 have $40k more performance? Nope. Does it have a $40k better driving experience? Hell no. Is it $40k more reliable? No, are you joking? Cadillac is much higher on JD Power's quality rankings than BMW is. So what are you really getting for that extra $40k? You're getting that BMW badge on the hood. That's it.

[@hikeskool]

I own a BMW, American car and a Swedish/Chinese car. The Bimmer and Swede have the most toys but I'll go to my Pontiac every time I want to have a fun time driving.

[@dieselngoungou1465]

Vernon Price 25k actually.

[@vernonprice5986]

dieselngoungou CTS-V: $64k. M5: $93,600 "actually". But of course a base M5 has no equipment on it, so you will end up adding $10-20k more to the price just from adding basic options because BMW gives you NOTHING for the base price. The CTS-V comes with almost everything fully loaded for the base price, the biggest option is the Recaro seats. Saying the price difference is $25k means you're bad at math. It's a MINIMUM of $30k, + $10-20k more when you add options that should be standard to the M5.

[@hikeskool]

Vernon Price Yup, exactly. If you want the performance package (required to make the car feel anything but mute), decent brakes and full leather you are looking at an extra $20,000; "competition" package: $7,300, brakes: $9,250, full leather: $3,500. That takes the price up to $116,000 and that's without any other options.

[@Veman477]

@Veeman477... I thought Vernon Price is your friend. So your'e saying all those id's are also you? Are you confused?

[@jamesdriscoll2478]

yes we forgot about the auto transmission in the cts-v the one that set the Nurenberg lap time for fastest 4 on the planet under 8:00 lap or 0 to 60 in 3.9 but we did test both bmw's 👍🏻

[@nunomoura3578]

V6 vs V8! Caddilac V8 loose vs V6 at the Nurburgring! GTR is the king of streets 😁✌ kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJWQkKmYj5mSisk

[@jamesdriscoll2478]

Nuno Moura good vid but apples to oranges 4 door fam car against a sports car .... in that case ill take a 911 all day long over that big tank of a Nissan

[@derplotter]

Does anyone else think that the cadillac looks like shit ?

[@jimmyc938]

Even though the performance is great, not even that attracts me to the cadillac. Cadillacs are for retirees. Ugly cars, extremely unappealing.

[@iliketobathify]

Um... if something's really really ugly in this video, it's the front of the BMW. I agree that the CTS-V looks horrible aswell, but not like the side of a barn wall. Miss the good ol' E39, since then I haven't seen any good looking BMW which is a shame..

[@jimmyc938]

iliketobathify I think the new models look amazing, but to each their own.

[@vernonprice5986]

Oh, so those are retirees that are doing sub 8-minute Nurburgring laps? You're a very stupid person.

[@jimmyc938]

Vernon Price show me a going guy that owns one. Jay Leno isn't young if you have him in mind.

[@vernonprice5986]

Jimmy Cojocaru Go to any CTS-V forum and find out for yourself. Or stay ignorant, that's up to you. Plenty of guys in their 20s own CTS-Vs. That's because CTS-Vs are performance cars, not retiree cars.

[@vernonprice5986]

Did you listen to what the drivers were saying? They prefer the CTS-V because it feels better to drive. The various components are more in harmony, it's just a more enjoyable car. And for the record, two different CTS-V beat both the M5 and the M6 at VIR raceway recently, so it's not really a fact that the M5 is faster.

[@getrippednubz]

Both are awsome cars

[@marc1093280]

The M5 and the E63 AMG are both overpriced for nothing. The CTS-V is priced right, but if you want a high-end performance car that's pretty hard to find and worth the money, then get a Jaguar XFR-RS. Jaguars are pretty high-end cars and they aren't mass-produced the way BMWs and Mercedes cars are. I can tell the difference between a car that's worth the money and a mass-produced car that just gets overhyped and slapped with a high price tag for nothing. Mercedes in Europe are taxi cabs.

[@cafta]

my country makes a black soda named " American Cola " that is cheaper than Coke , or Pepsi but I still go for the US brands because they are better .. that is why I would buy the BMW

[@vernonprice5986]

***** plus a flash? What kind of bullshit comparison is that? First of all, the CTS-V is faster than the C63 stock to stock. By a LOT. CTS-Vs run 11.7 @ 120 completely stock. Second, CTS-Vs are cheaper than C63s. C63s START at $65k which is more than a CTS-V. And you want to compare modded to modded? $750 in parts gets you an upper pulley kit and an intake, which puts you at 620 HP or so. How much is that flash for the C63 again? And how much HP does it add again? Yeah. Just saying, the C63 is really not in the CTS-V's league.

[@vernonprice5986]

***** I noticed you had nothing to say about the actual content of my post. That's not surprising, you've never been able to prove me wrong yet, so why start now? And since when do basic facts have anything to do with ego? Are you one of those people who needs to pick up a dictionary because you don't understand that facts are not subject to bias?

[@sergeantviper9952]

Vernon Price dude if he's lives in a country that has to import the cts then the c63 might be a tad cheaper but not by much

[@vernonprice5986]

sergeant Viper I've looked up the prices. Have you?

[@thedoctorofthe916]

As a Cadillac owner, I agree with your statement! This video was definitely weighted to make the BMW M5 look better.

[@billtomlinson2848]

What language is that?

[@Veman477]

I am actually talking about the BMW M5. It has a 4 year/50k miles comprehensive maintainance plan that includes everything except tire. now that's a peace of mind like no cadillac can offer.

[@MrUltraworld]

It's nice that BMW offers a manual trans, they won't sell many. But it's nice to have the option.

[@cadrolls]

85% of ALL Corvettes registered here in the United States since 1953 are still in service. Germany and Japan can only dream of such a figure.

[@cadrolls2675]

so you finally give there troll hah! i'll be here all night.

[@V1NCH1INZ0]

Couldn't agree with you more. Well said

[@BMWM5gpower23]

do u know where that suspension came from?? lmao

[@jamesangelides6414]

As a proud owner of the STS-V, seeing the CTS-V at this point in time and seeing how far it has come from its days as the Catera (screech) Im glad to see it can compete with a legend such as the M5 or E Class AMG. Unfortunately I can't afford the new CTS-V so I beefed up my STS-V's Supercharged Northstar to 610 horsepower. Yeah the M5 is more luxurious than the CTS-V, but the CTS-V is much more fun to drive in my opinion.

[@cadrolls2675]

We are waiting for you here in mokena,illinois for you wayne. Please come. Hurry.

[@MyJtf]

Both cars I have been in was tested on radar gun from a friend of mine. The Bmw I had it at 161 mph and it took over 2 miles to sustain that speed. The cts-v I had it at 201 mph and it took 1.7 miles to reach. I don"t know about the 5% rule. But if it does apply the cts-v still out does the Bmw if the "real speed" was as much as 10% advanced. Anyway, the CTS-V I own and the Bmw I Ran for a friend , dropped off behind the CTS-V by 4 miles of the "Isolated"highway we were testing them on.

[@cadrolls]

You go girl! He did the same thing to me too.

[@cadrolls]

Leave it to Cadillac to lead the way to the future. Cadillac has once again demonstrated that they have the right look, quality, reliability, high-end technology, and price to compete with Europe's best and come out on top! Nice job Cadillac! Cadillac doesn't just build great luxury cars, you know... They build CADILLACS♥

[@billtomlinson2848]

When does this madness stop?

[@MindzEnt]

what makes you so sure?

[@Veman477]

agree!

[@Rozgreez562]

hell i live in southern california... in the past week and a half. ive counted 6 new BMW M5's during that time.

[@MercC23k]

Personally I am a Mercedes guy and would have the E63, but I think that out of the options the CTS-V is the best looking. Also, I don't understand when people critisize the interior on the CTS. Personally I think the interiors on BMWs are terrible. I test drove a CTS-V once and the interior was fantastic. It was black leather with white stitching and it looked and felt great. Though if I was to get a V, it would be the wagon. I just love the thought of blowning the doors off a Porshe in a wagon.

[@xaqtly6348]

Give us the chicago address Wayne. Please...

[@cadrolls]

The Cadillac CTS-V comes standard with premium imported Italian leather on both sides of the seats, door panels, and dashboard. The magnride suspension was choosen over BMW's for its superior handling characteristics. The styling is fresh and new and sleek too. The tester here actually LIKED the CTS-V MORE than the BMW but, was let down by the standard transmission which 90% of Cadillac owners would NOT choose on their cars. Cadillac is in the top 5 for dependability and safety too.

[@rasul88]

I have access to both as well and the M5 without the limiter is faster than the CTS-V at the start and top speed :) Even the track like you just witnessed in this video :)

[@TheRollingAficionado]

I can't wait until they do the 2015 CTS-V vs 2015 M5 comparo, the M5 should be face lifted by then. But damn the new CTS is a much sexier car than the new 5 series. And I'm a huge BMW fan. Congrats on that cadillac, I'm liking the direction GM is going in general. Its about time that Cadillac started to truly compete with the Germans and Japanese. Game on!

[@Veman477]

I like the M5 so much that I traded my CTS V wagon for it. Couldn't be happier.

[@bennicool888]

true

[@Veman477]

I agree.

Your 1st statement is an excuse for the Cadi, enough said. This M5 is above and beyond..the keyword for the Businessmen express is "understated!

[@bennicool888]

Yea

[@cadrolls]

In just 4 short years of existance, Cadillac has gone from a comfortable highway cruiser to a sports sedan capable of beating Germany's best! Imagine what it will do in the future!

[@justcars10]

For people saying Cadillacs are for old people. You've gotta understand that comparing the CTS-V to other Cadillacs is stupid. The CTS-V is one of the fastest four-door, production cars on the Nurburgring (only being beaten by the Panamera Turbo and the WRX STi). That's still a pretty awesome effort.

[@Veman477]

yes it's up to me.You and Wayne here has that bond. you are both obsessed with a golf kart and a hearse.

[@jeffwill4923]

The new CTS-V will clear all up. Test mules have wider tires. I pretty sure GM will put some track focus tires on it. The hp will be at or above 600. Hopefully the Vette auto 8 will come with it. The stick will be a option. The next battle should be epic.

[@hikeskool]

It should be absurd. On the lighter Alpha platform this thing will move - we can hope for an LT4 (used in the new Z06) but it will probably be a new engine similar to how the LSA is a "detuned" version of the LS9. It will be exciting nonetheless.

[@Veman477]

agree.

[@turnipsw]

The sound of the 6.2L SuperCharged LS Engine is unmatched...M5 is a great car but...The Blower Man!!!!! Tell him about the Blower man!!!! -Mad Max

[@JAnx01]

Wow, this is the first time I've actually heard the F10 M5 make this fantastic induction sound. I had no idea it sounded this good. Mic positioning probably matters a lot because the lame exhaust note normally completely dominates the induction sound from the outside and inside, it's lame speakers playing the lame exhaust note.

[@vernonprice5986]

You really need to look Cadillac up on the JD Power quality rankings, because you will literally shit your pants in shock.

[@Rozgreez562]

LOL tires fade quickly, well then your doing something right when you drive! - 2006 M5 owner :)

[@maidenchina2228]

yup

[@cadrolls]

The next time any American is out on our nation's highways, all they need to do to find which car is the VERY best is count how many 20 and 30 year old Cadillacs there are on the road compared to 20 and 30 year old BMWs, Mercedes, Porsches, Audis, and Volkswagons. Cadillac doesn't just build great luxury cars... They build Cadillacs♥

[@ocsspot]

Why?

[@astonmasserati1543]

@Vernon Price: if you want fun factor go buy an M3 the M5 is sn executive saloon. Get it?

[@plozikou]

You are so right man. They just take care to dont talk about price... Because it is the killer point for the BMW. Ciao.

[@Evgeni2em]

70% of GM's business is outside of the U.S. market, but they do no marketing outside of the U.S.? That's pretty impressive!

[@cadrolls]

Cadillac doesn't just make great luxury cars... They make CADILLACS♥

[@cadrolls]

Remember, ONLY the truly SICK support the truly SICK!

[@vernonprice5986]

Oh yeah, it's so fast that it lost to the CTS-V at VIR for the Lightning Lap.

[@bensonavery3521]

The CTS-V can do 198 too. No limiter either! No ultra expensive import fees, no expensive insurance fees, no expensive repair fees either.

[@xaqtly6348]

@cadrolls you don't even realize that lots of components in the cts v were made in germany. Esp. The Recaro sports seats. Any comment on that?

[@brandonwade9761]

or i haven't seen one because no one is buying one, and ive seen cts-v's before in person and what dose that have to do with anything the cts looks the same in person and what is the bmw going to magically look better when i see one in person

[@cadrolls2675]

like you did?

[@hangman161]

btw, when I said u can SAY these things, sure, I meant tht u can SAY that after ten laps, the car will be slower or falling apart of both. It sounds nice.. but it isn't backed up by anything. This is quite usual from fans of the CTSV.

[@bensonavery3521]

Quality? BMW and Mercedes offer cheap vinyl seating, plastic dashboards and door panels whereas Cadillac offers premium imported Italian leather on both sides of the seats, dashboard, and door panels. Premium Italian suede is offered to cover the entire ceiling in the new Cadillac XTS Platinum Edition. Premium woods are used in the interior and/or genuine carbon fiber. The CUE system has been rated the best by the actual consumers too when compared to the competition.

[@bennicool888]

@karl oppenheimer yes

[@briguy91931]

As far as USA vs Europe models- euro models will always out perform american because the emissions systems are different as well as fuel ratings. Here in california the highest pump octane is 91. Europe = 95+

[@skillz1855]

Can u imagine the pain the new CTSV will put on the F10,I must admit the F10 is a beat.. the V6tt caddy is wicked, wonder what the V8 will offer

[@hikeskool]

It's gonna be brutal.

[@Veman477]

shut up> why am i talking to myself. I am nuts.

[@xaqtly6348]

cts v mpg is 14mpg combined. M5 mpg 19MPG combined. I know people who buys these cars are not concerned about MPG but man, that's a big difference. it shows how much technology advanced the bmw compared to this ancient cadillac. just like it's buyers: it's old.

[@camdog124]

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[@DslStudio]

dated?? It looks new, modern and still awesome!

[@swingerss1]

I've read many many comments from Europeans saying " Americans can't make quality cars". Americans make plenty. . Thing is we make affordable cars for the masses. They say American cars can't go around corners. Well the zo6 and zr1 squashes that theory. Next complaint... build quality "cheap plastic exterior and interior" well the c7 and newer caddys are changing that. No matter what they will complain (not all but most) fact is our cars are built good and affordable.

[@billyjohnson777]

ive always liked the styling of older bmw's, the modern ones not so much.

[@marcsmith3881]

Put it up against the 2016 CTS-V with 640 hp.

[@xaqtly6348]

yesterday!

[@holli1st]

Vernon, at first I want to say: The Cts-V is a good engeneered car with a fantastic engine and no "plastic-desert" (like normal in us-cars) inside. But the only racetrack, that really matters is the "Nordschleife" of the nurburgring. The cts-v was there. Please compare the results on racetrack and the number of sold cars worldwide. Between the M5 and the cts-V are 4 to 5 years of development. I really hope, the new cts-v will change everything and BMW is angry again :-).

[@aspieotaku3580]

The Panamera wasnt devoloped until recently and prior to that the porshe cayenne before that Porshe was about pure performance. Its a sad shame Acura and Infiniti arent in europe really because In America they are by far more reliable than Merces or BMW and are cheaper to maintain. I am sure you know about Lexus it is still the top most reliable automobile out of all of them. There are multitudes of Lexus's Infinitis and Acuras 20+ years old with over 300k miles running like they are new.

[@cadrolls2675]

the tester used both the manual and DTC for the M5 just for the reference betwwen the two M5's not against the Cadillac. Watch the whole video.Plus the M5 limiter can be removed and will go 204MPH. You tube videos in europe are showing it is doing 335KMH on the highway.

[@Veman477]

Captain lou is one of my alter ego born last march 2013. I like Bmw M5 and cadillac drivers are dangerously old. I am from connicticutt.

[@veeman47]

I suggest you base your opinions on experience and facts. Piping sound to the cabin is also done by several car makers. Not just BMW. The reason they did it is because the sound insulation of the 5 series is so good that you can barely hear the exhaust. The F10 M5 sounds really loud and mean from the outside. I own one. And too soft to be an M? I had an E60 M5 for 4 years. . This F10 is way better in every aspect. I hate to tell them detractors but this sounds meaner and louder than the V10.