Helluva Boss: Sinsmas Blew EVERYBODY Away

[@gentlejellyfishsky843]

“When she was crying she making a weird squeaky sound.” You mean the hooting? You mean how Octavia, an owl, was making sad owl noises?

[@justatheorist.3864]

The owl noises for both her and stolas and all the horses for blitzø are the favorite details for the whole show!

[@semperpieeatordie6990]

Lmfao thank you I was saying that out loud

[@angrybrony]

Fake hooty fan.

[@8thMaestreo]

Who?

[@Innerpandora]

@@8thMaestreowho

[@mariaandino2309]

Tom deserves a fucking raise. I swear. I love that he 2x speed that rant. Immaculate. He didn’t skip it, knew it was important. Didn’t leave it in, was out of time probably. Love it.

[@eat_potato4ever]

I was laughing my ass of at it. He sounded like a mad chipmunk

[@mailin7047]

He's not wrong I had the same rant 😭

[@michi_mixhii]

@@mariaandino2309 I LOVED THAT PART SO MUCH LMAO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE

[@michi_mixhii]

@@mariaandino2309 I LOVED THAT PART SO MUCH LMAO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE

[@LilPanda404]

@@mariaandino2309 Tom needs a damn raise and bonus… and maybe see his family and be released from the editors basement he’s in…

[@CookiePotato2761-h5b]

“Maybe I just don’t like teenagers and all of you should be pretty damn happy about that, considering how many KZbinrs like them a little too much.” I died laughing 😂

[@Catra_x_4dora]

Frr 😭

[@pulsefel9210]

its true though. one of my youtubers was recently outted as being a predator and the first thing on the article was "no minors were involved". fuck anything else, gotta get out he wasnt after kids first.

[@Victoria-_]

😂😂😂

[@Vee5_]

Iskall?

[@Scarshadow666]

Oof! And what probably makes things even worse is that a large portion of social media/YT is made up of kids/teens... 0_0 Shows why Internet safety is extremely important to teach kids and teens!

[@tblake1203]

Important to note Octavia never “got over” her fear of Stolas leaving, she just kept getting told it was never going to happen, and then it did

[@liamhill4679]

I like the image of Danny getting on the plane and just getting some kind of sixth/spider sense about a new episode

[@Alastortheradiodeamon]

Imange the moment it posted he said something just happened

[@oreoloki8872]

He leaves a looney tunes ass Danny shaped hole in the side of the wall as he fuckin FLIES through the hull

[@liamhill4679]

@Alastortheradiodeamon “I feel a great disturbance in the KZbin algorithm”

[@michi_mixhii]

the alarm in his head just goes off whenever there's a new episode

[@DARTHBROSKAS]

He just goes: huh for some reason I have a strange urge to watch KZbin and yell at a short woman

[@SpoopTheArtist-ru1lb]

16:02 Yes it does Danny. My mom almost punched my dad over a single fry when she was pregnant with me

[@xenon3521]

Why was she beefing with him over a fry?? 😭

[@Boredomsucks2]

I don't know why I read this as she almost punched you instead, my brain completely didn't see the word dad

[@ShishasBlog194]

Working in the fast food industry, you have no idea how many pregnant women have screamed at me.

[@CanaryTheTherian]

@xenon3521 the lady was hungry. Don’t mess with a girl’s food.

[@cannibaIuser]

Was it at least a good fry? Where'd it come from? Was it really salty? Long? Fried perfectly? Did it taste good??? GIVE ME THIS LORE!

[@citrinedragonfly]

You are literally the first male commentator who clocked Millie's pregnancy immediately. I've watched half a dozen or so other commentaries with male-presenting commentators, all of whom were taken by surprise when the test was revealed. Thank you for having situational awareness of media tropes. Also, the joke about the COVID-test made me laugh out loud.

[@meremelli]

maybe im dumb or oblivious, but i didn't even notice until she pulled out the test 😭😭

[@realrealwarpet]

Honestly, i really should hace caught it. But pregnancy was so far from my thoughts, i hadnt even clocked it.

[@BradTheProducer]

I noticed the same pattern happening until Mosco broke the combo for the ladies.

[@Gioppdumister]

Sorta stupid’s reaction figures it out early too. Well, Shaun does. The other two just kinda roll with it.

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

I noticed a few who were like hmmm but they didn't call it though I think a few did particularly after the mood swings but yeah media uses that way to often lol

[@MothTheChaotic]

Isn't it odd how we never see Octavia have an actual conversation with Stella? I feel like we're lacking the context of how Octavia actually feels about her mother.

[@Jachra]

I've been thinking this for years. It's frustrating.

[@minni3723]

She doesn’t talk to her imo

[@araeast6923]

I’d love if they did talk tbh. However, I wonder if Oktavia’s just… given up on having a relationship with Stella long ago. It’s probably why she’s so hung up on Stolas lying to or abandoning her - he’s been the reliable, stable parent between the duo. Stella seems pretty ambivalent towards Oktavia otherwise, the way she talked about having her.

[@lacytaylor1501]

Watching her sit there looking miserable as her mom and uncle laugh like fools over Stolas trying to contact her seems to say plenty about how she feels towards her mom, at least to me. A child and parent not interacting at all says just as much about their relationship as them screaming and fighting constantly or having proper conversations.

[@GrahamChapman]

I think it's worth noting that, when Stella is cracking up about Stolas' call early in the episode, she says "He thinks he's going to talk to his daughter!" Note: "HIS daughter", not "my daughter" or even "our daughter." I think Stella only regards Octavia as a way to further hurt Stolas and doesn't care about her at all beyond that.

[@LivingFire_BurningFlame]

I liked that they hugged instead of kissed in the end. They need to talk, but at the moment Stolas needs just someone loving and caring and is not ready for any kind of talk at the moment.

[@szofian9671]

Stolas didn't hug him back... I think there is more drama to unpack

[@ZoraEpsilon571]

A hug in that moment meant SO much more than just being a kiss, it shows more connection of love and attention than just being a kiss.

[@big_ole_queer_mess]

​@szofian9671 He's grieving, he couldn't emotionally reciprocate at the moment. Blitzø knows that

[@marcelaguzmanvillafuerte8129]

@@szofian9671i think it was more of stolas just receiving the comfort blitz was giving him

[@JoJoLoliPop-zi6yb]

id argue (respectfully) not. because stolas is in so much mental anguish with his daughter being gone that he doesnt have the mental energy to hug him back. he is just kinda disassociating so blitz is almost grounding him. its part of why i think blitz hugged him instead of potentially kissing. because he just needs a hug not anything more.

[@LilmsVamp]

I think its kinda awesome that Bliz actually got to "hire" Stolas like he said he might in their childhood.

[@sidneyperkins6467]

Holy shit

[@helleswahn]

Omg I didn't think of that 😭

[@firefliesinthesky384]

helluva is full of insane foreshadowing. i can only imagine what else has been foreshadowed that’s gone right over our heads

[@fallingbisexualdisaster]

oh my gosh i didnt clock that ty for bringing it to my attention lol. this episode referenced so many of the earliest ones, I loved it!

[@ElonorEzraValley_TheGuradian]

Oh. My. God. I just realized that.

[@YoonABarcoma]

23:46 “ oh damn it was was completely off, she just has covid!” THAT CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD-

[@YoonABarcoma]

I keep making corrections to my comment that’s why it’s edited :3

[@corvuskins1530]

Dude same

[@marazavala5723]

She is 29:20

[@Aurorawest13]

The way he got it so fast 🤣🤣🤣

[@Trent1261_]

Dude it would be way too far for this show to go into abortion I think. I'm pro choice and all that but I wouldn't have a TV show touch on that

[@althealee9375]

13:33 basically the embodiment of “I’ll be okay, I just need to be dramatic first”. Such a mood, Octavia

[@imhisui8596]

honestly, as a female, i think millie's reaction was very normal, you dont need a specific reason to be anxious abt being pregnant, especially if its the first time. I remember when my best friend found out she was pregnant, even though she and her husband wanted it and were trying for a while, she was SO SCARED and TERRIFIED, she immediately called me and started panicking. Some days later she told her husband and now they are a happy family. So yeah, millie's reaction is not that surprising imo

[@arielb.7647]

Completely agree. I can't wait to start trying and have a family but being pregnant is still scary- it can still kill a person even with today's medicine and technology advances. A wanted pregnancy is still scary!

[@seeleunit2000]

Exactly

[@solanaheart]

Right I saw some people judging and being like 'Why she's crying' like are you serious???

[@darkphoenyx27]

Especially if you're in the US. Like, have you seen the hospital bills for childbirth alone? I desperately need to believe Hell doesn't have a less predatory healthcare system than the US.

[@jordans4362]

I just think it's odd Danny didn't say the most obvious reason Millie could be worried outside of the natural inital fear, that being Millie and Moxie are hitmen and their lives are in constant danger. I feel like that'd be one of the more reasonable worries for Millie to have comapred to the suggested ones.

[@onyxstorms8571]

fun fact, Owls are one of the birds that can tell when other mammals are pregnant, which is one of the reasons why Stolas looks so terrified after seeing moxxie and millie play fighting

[@patchpatch4008]

Omg that's right.

[@eeveefennecfox]

@onyxstorms8571 I never knew that about owls,that is an intresting fact

[@NinjaInConverse]

Can you share your source on that? Only things that come up on Google are about reproduction habits of owls... and threads asking if they're bad omens or not...

[@asthejayflies]

that sounds like total bullshit i figured stolas was just having a culture clash moment and was horrified / confused as to why they were fighting given his own marriage, not understanding theyre just play fighting

[@onyxstorms8571]

@@NinjaInConverse Back when i was in school, my teacher had an obsession with owls, this was also during the whole dissecting owl pellets phase of school

[@xK4R4x]

Bro it's so sad that Octavia sees Blitzø as someone who took her dad away and part of her hate. But Blitzø sees Octavia as a part of the family that he wants I can't take this man 😭🙏🏾

[@filmfangirls9163]

I'm looking forward to more scenes between them!!

[@Woax-Taid]

I swear to god, until Octavia pulls her shit together and has a normal conversation with stolas and or blitzø I will forever hate her

[@mjdragonmaster6559]

​​@@Woax-Taidshe is a teenager whose grown up with an abusive mother and whose only positive influence in her life (her dad) has from her POV abandoned her. I'd like to see you act perfectly rational in her shoes (spoiler: you wouldn't). Stolas has never taken the time to sit her down and talk to her and explain why he's doing any of the things he's doing, to help her, a child that has only ever known her toxic family relationship, understand why he's doing what needs to be done for his mental health. Octavia and Stolas both have their faults here, but Stolas is the parent, she is still a child, and it's on him to make sure she's okay and is able to understand and process what is going on in her life in a healthy way. And he's failed her on that. Stella has also failed on that account, but Stella doesn't actually care about her daughter.

[@Woax-Taid]

@@mjdragonmaster6559 I’m not going to get pulled into an argument about fictional characters when all I’m trying to do is express how I feel

[@mjdragonmaster6559]

@@Woax-Taid that's fine, I wasn't really trying to start an argument. But you don't need to reply to me saying that. It's a comment section, if you say your feelings online, other people are allowed to respond with their own feelings and criticisms. I'd recommend just ignoring the responses in the future for the most part if you don't want a discussion about it.

[@charlottet7379]

I LOVED the little owl weep they gave her last episode. Like when Stolas gets shocked, he also has those owl/chirp sounds. LOVE those too

[@CamacanMMC]

14:24 Y'know what I just fucking realised? If Stolas has a big stock of his happy pills, that means it's a recent stock. Remember, he ran out of meds in Full Moon (and a lot of people used that to defend him afterwards). He must have gone insane and stocked up like crazy because he was scared of feeling as emotionally wrecked as he did in Full Moon.

[@maryamtara2934]

I thought they were empty bottles

[@sofifiaoliv27]

​@@maryamtara2934 Oh my God, if so that's so much worse bc he took a lot of these for it to finish so quickly like that

[@CamacanMMC]

@@maryamtara2934 Ooh OK that might be an even more tragic reality. The only thing that I think contradicts this is that I'm pretty sure the bottle Octavia gives to Stolas is the same one she took from the box. Unless she actually went and bought him a new bottle. But if they are empty, that's even more devastating.

[@relic5752]

​@CamacanMMCYou hear the rattle of the pills as she picks up the bottle, so I think they are implicitly all full

[@maryamtara2934]

@CamacanMMC there was the box and there was the one that had the pills inside that she took was sit aside

[@rockythewolf5190]

When Moxxie said "The prince's knight needs his sword" the prince is stolas, his knight being blitzø, who needed a sword, that Moxxie delivered. I had the same confusion at first

[@LilRika2Turnt]

It's also a callback to S1E2 LooLoo land when Stolas says "Where's Blitzy, he's my knight in shining armour"

[@Mi..Mi..]

Oh. I thought it was an innuendo for when he and blitz got hit with the truth gas

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

still a bit gay though ;p

[@mrm9678]

this line gave me second hand embarrassment i'm ngl

[@guycrew3973]

@@Mi..Mi..how?

[@juliejong2063]

17:01 Danny: Fight him Stolas. Kick his ass 1 second later Danny: oh my god I didn’t think he’d do it

[@chatty_charlie]

Funnily enough, I was watching it with my friend paused it said “Fck him up!” Then he actually did it lol

[@traviselledge3930]

that whole fight sequence was so awesome. I loved when Andrealphus turned into a whole ice dragon

[@gronostaj_28]

Stolas: Alright, bet.

[@sirdoctoroftardis]

I was laughing the moment he said that

[@Victoria-_]

😂😂😂

[@HotCocoMimic]

Anyone else think that the dream Octavia had as a child was a prophecy of her dad leaving? Like that would explain why she kept doubting her father because it is her secret power. The ability to see the future in her dreams. That line "I was right to doubt you" could be her trusting her power and in the time skip she could be this big powerful queen that sees the future.

[@T.alba_the_Swift]

I mean when Paimon gave Stolas the grimoire as a child, part of studying it was to study prophecies. We only just now got a glimpse into how powerful she actually is, even powerful enough to push Andrealphus back after destroying his monster. It could just be she caught him by surprise, but if I remember correctly, he is only a marquis while Octavia is a princess, which means she has a higher status than he does and, perhaps, also higher power level. Of course, that’s just speculation. We know Stolas lost his powers, but I don’t think Andrealphus got it. I think he only got the material possessions like his home and legions. Regardless, Octavia is still pretty young and isn’t fully trained yet in using her powers. But addressing the main point, it could be that seeing into the future is a gift she has always had and she doesn’t know it.

[@elizacarrie7433]

he didn’t show it, but when Danny said “yeah blitzø you always know just what to say”….the thing Blitzø cooked up and ate was hot rocks 🥺🥺. He cooked up some rocks so they’d be hot and eats them. That’s why he curled up in Stolas’ lap 😭😭. He turned himself into a heating pack 😭😭😭😭

[@koriandrbloodoranges]

I DIDN’T REALIZE THIS OMG

[@magicdawn1973]

WAIT THATS SO CUTE 😭😭😭

[@Shajoyhig]

WAIT, WHAT... OH MY GOD, IM GONNA CRY...

[@6_checkmate_9]

He probably does that for Loona when she's on her period

[@seangrant8871]

Oh. I thought he was just high as fuck

[@eyeballpaul714]

"She's so repetitive." Danny, I would point out that Stolas is ALSO repeating the exact same patterns of behaviour throughout the whole show. The circumstances this time are mitigating as hell given that Blitzo's life was genuinely in danger, but Stolas DID basically validate her fears of being abandoned in favour of Blitzo way back in the Loo Loo Land episode.

[@jerseyfanel]

Yeah, but it's been 3 episodes focused on her and the three of them are in the same conflict. I love her, she definitely needs to get character growth

[@PennyxXxDreadful]

Just from a writing standpoint, Stolas is one of the characters moving the plot along. Every time the show focuses on Octavia, it just kinda stops and spins its wheels to rehash the same thing. Both LooLoo Land and Seeing Stars, on their own, would be fine, but her part in them is made pointless in hindsight when the next time we see her it's the same thing all over again. It's doubly frustrating when the viewer knows the full context and that the entire conflict could probably be defused if they sat down and talked honestly for a few minutes. I love the show's writing for the most part, but Octavia is 100% a frustratingly repetitive character who hasn't gone through any growth. At least not any growth that doesn't get rolled back the very next time we see her.

[@The_Mem]

Truthfully, you guys are ignoring the background context each time. This time he couldn't come back because he didn't live there. This is the difference It's one thing to come to turms with the fact he doesn't really like you mom and is seeing someone else to have your dad leave you completely for a full month She dosen't get the full context with her mom blocking him from calling in the beginning everyone over looks a month passes between that moment and the rest. If he was let to exspain earlier she wouldn't have backtracked but she was made to feel like he didn't care for a month She sat there as her emotions grew souer ​@PennyxXxDreadful

[@PennyxXxDreadful]

@@The_Mem I was talking about the writing and her character as vehicle for the story not her rationale.

[@The_Mem]

The context to each time isn't ever the same thing Loloo land is more about stolas re bonding with her then it is about him leaving she brings it up sure but the episode is about them . Since he onky invited her there cause he thought she still loved it it was about him re bonding The one in Hollywood is more about stolas being more mad at her mom to the point she over looks her. He tells her it wont happen again and thats the issue she has now. In her eyes he lied and broke the promise he made last time. The last times he still saw her everyday this time its been a month and it doesn't help stella is feeding her that he dosen't care + preventing him from seeing her smh guys

[@wooperfan584]

16:07 it does, Danny. It's called mood swings. Good on you for checking to make sure though lol

[@yourlastbriancell]

I was literally about to write this exact comment word for word

[@wooperfan584]

@yourlastbriancell lol I beat you to it 🙃

[@roca7268]

I thought it was a joke 😅

[@snorlax4385]

It was a joke

[@wooperfan584]

@@snorlax4385 was it? He seemed genuinely confused-

[@alexiscavazos2440]

I absolutely love at 17:01 you could see the happiness slowly growing from Danny’s face when Stolas started punching Andrealphus! The funniest thing I’ve seen all day😂😂😂

[@ghostwren182]

The thing with Octavia is that every time she does work through her issues, he proves her fears right again. She’s scared he’ll leave her and that she’s an afterthought, and he’s continuously proven to her that that’s what she is to him. In the episode right before this finale, she literally sees him try to kill himself on live tv, not even thinking that he’d be leaving her. And obviously we know it’s for a noble reason, saving Blitzø, but to her it’s just him showing her he’s more important to Stolas than Octavia is. And this has happened before, like you said she’s “gotten over” these issues TWICE now, and I hate to say it, but the growth needed to be on Stolas as a father, and everytime they talk things through, she’s back to being a side character in his life. Clearly he’s centered on flirting with Blitzø and wallowing in the past in Loo Loo Land, and after that he forgets their big day watching the comets, and now there’s this. Octavia isn’t growing because her growth depends on being able to move forward with her relationship with her father, which isn’t happening because his behavior isn’t changing. Also, we see Helluva Boss through the eyes of whatever protagonist the episode follows, and because the closest character to Octavia is Stolas, and he doesn’t take the time to learn about her interests, we don’t learn about her interests. She’s a side character in Stolas’ life, just “the daughter” who he says he loves, and because that’s how we view her, through his eyes, she seems underdeveloped and annoying. EDIT: Ty for all the support, I want it to be very clear that I’m not blaming Stolas for saving Blitø, obviously it was a time crunch and needed to happen right then, this is just what it looks like from Octavia’s perspective, and I also understand that this does leave Octavia undeveloped and repetitive, but I’m just explaining why it’s happening

[@Mrryn]

If you think about it, this trial and the results from it were the proverbial strike 3 for Stolas. Now he's out.

[@TwittKid]

Love seeing comments like these point this out :D

[@late_prince8945]

Ooo, that's a good take. You 180 my perspective on it.

[@_shadow_3103]

100% agree, pretty sad you don't have more likes so danny can see it (really how he does anyways)

[@bobkile9734]

During the comet episode, one of Octavia’s lines hit hard: “you hate [Stella] more than you love me”

[@nobodyinparticular3982]

The reason Octavia feels stagnant as a character is because, despite what Stolas says in scenes with her, he doesn't change and continuously puts her behind any and everything else (ignores her actual interests to take her to Loo Loo Land, ignores her at Loo Loo Land to flirt with Blitz, ignores his promise to see the meteor shower with her to argue with Stella, ignores his promise with her to never leave her and go to a place she can't follow to attempt to sacrifice his life in exchange for Blitz) so she is honestly at least a little validated in repeating herself about her issues with Stolas

[@fantasyc_tsf7150]

every time i see a convo about Octavia I wanna add, that she, as much as Stolas preivously, lives in a contantly abusive environment which makes things much harder to think through. Stolas was trying to finish his divorce for yeeeeears or at least months as we see that. I feel like she’s also very stagnant because of that - she doesnt feel like she has a father, she can’t loose feeling of having a mother, so the brain ignores how awful her mom is to have at least somebody. cause its even harder to actually admit that you are mistaken and alone, and it doesnt get much easier when you’re teenager (comparing to child), it only gets a bit easier when you’re finally an adult. so i get, i absolutely get the annoyance of her being stagnant, cause i also have similar emotions towards the character arc she had so far, but i feel like the annoyance is what you should get from her right now. unlike her we know the whole situation. though i kinda agree on the idea that it might have been delivered a bit better, cause of the lack of subtle details. thouuuuugh on the other hand she’s not the first character we need to discuss as a fandom to truly understand her actions. when i first saw Ozzies episode when Stolitz had their first date, i honestly was lost on why those two behaved that way. cause it’s something i barely ever experienced. but Octavia feels closer to me in all her “traumatized child who cant get over it and that annoys” (i might even suggest that it anniys Via too) im a bit lost on what i think about Via’s arc plotwise. but i wanna see how it unwraps in the future. Also voluntarily throwing away a chance of contact with her dad is also a decision, and pretty big one i think. i dont think she chose that before. all the “go see the stars” episode she was trying to get to spend time with dad, but here she’s not trying anymore, she rejects, and that’s a big change. i dont feel like the specific things she was saying are as important as the big shift in her decisions. last one: im also kinda annoyed by her not forgiving Stolas cause “we know he’s overall very good”, but as a daughter of f*cked up dad I think… me loving Stolas for who he is with Blitz and who he SOMETIMES is with Octavia cannot change the fact that Via’s point of view is different, cause unlike viewers she’s his daughter and lived together with him daily for years and she has a lot more to say on behalf of how “good” of a father he is overall. (cause i can definite see lack of attention and connection, did he actually communicated with her daily or more like “occasionally” the way we see in Loo Loo Land ep? we saw him as good father, but good fathers are usually the people whom their daughters love, even if that starts in teenage years cause of abusive mum, for example. I dont think she’s tripping. So how “good” was their actual daily life?)

[@PennyxXxDreadful]

She feels stagnant because she doesn't undergo any growth that sticks. It doesn't matter how valid her problems are when she's not a real person. I don't have a ton of complaints about this show's writing, but her plotlines are pretty repetitive and one-note. Fingers crossed she gets more depth in s3, but the way she's written right now is gonna be frustrating for a lot of viewers. Especially, if you dislike teens on the best of days by default.

[@drogan3645]

​@@PennyxXxDreadful She keeps doing this because he keeps doing things that seem to her like he cares more about Blitz / hates Stella more than he loves her.

[@samhunt3666]

@@PennyxXxDreadfulI mean she does the same things because Stolas doesn’t develop as a character. He repeats the same mistakes and doesn’t learn from them. Oddly enough, the difference in this scenario is that Octavia decided not to forgive him, she’s changed while he hasn’t.

[@lakethefrog]

I saw some ppl hating on her

[@Captain_Cosmic1305]

The smoke when he says the horse story is traumatic is a call back to the circus burning down and it hitting the hell horses

[@Cangeltibon]

But that wouldn’t be the origins of him liking horses, Fizz knew about his obsession so it started when he was younger. I think that was just a joke about Brandon Rodger’s real life phobia of “really large things” he said that it’s usually fantasy creatures like dragons that do it for him but for some reason horses also trigger him. The real reason that Blitzø loves horses is because Viv thought it would be a funny juxtaposition.

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

@@Cangeltibon Horses are kinda scary till you meet them lol and they always surprise me how big they are but a few hours with them I was no longer scared wary of course they are big and can hurt you by accident but not scared

[@Captain_Cosmic1305]

@Cangeltibon I know that a lot, but in the show itself he has a traumatic story to why he loves them when everyone knows full well that it's just because viv thought it would be funny to do that to brandon rogers

[@calliopelikestowrite]

my guess was like he was so bad at making them he hyper focused on it and became obsessed

[@charlieseely3464]

​@Cangeltibon would that be like, megalophobia or something?

[@crazycat_4013]

The fact Octavia's song was like.. similar to the one Stolas used to sing to her was what made her song even better ngl But I agree that her character doesn't seem to evolve.

[@GrahamChapman]

Yyyou do realize she hasn't been given the tools, or even a reason, to evolve, right? Stella is, well, Stella... and Stolas, seemingly out of a misguided desire to protect Via in some fashion, doesn't actually talk with her in depth about all the stuff that keeps piling up in their family... All she's gotten so far are promises from Stolas that he won't leave her, followed by him getting caught up in his tryst with Blitzo or arguments with Stella, and now him leaving her anyway after having chosen "dying for Blitzo's sake" over "continuing to live for his daughter's sake"... I like Solas, and I know he's trying to be a better father than Paimon was, but he's still a broken person who has passed down a broken person's coping mechanisms to his daughter.

[@crazycat_4013]

@GrahamChapman She's been very much given reason to evolve and she slightly does in her song. In the past she had been scared of Stolas leaving and that Stolas hates Stella more than he loves her. Via's reaction just seems misplaced in the new episode, it would have made more sense for her "anger" to be directed towards Blitz similar to the song. I of course get that she's confused and her situation is messy, it's natural to fall back into old habits, but from a writing point it just gets a bit tiresome with her. If only her feelings were explored in more depth rather than the same thing over again, it would have been fine. She's coping like a typical teenager and now we see her relationship with her mother not be great either, it would be understandable for her to shut both of them off the best she can. I do hope to see some development from her in the future.

[@besthokage7822]

Viv said on bluesky (She quit twitter) that there is going to be a big break before season 3 which will run for 15 episodes. In that break more helluva shorts will release

[@eeveefennecfox]

I don't think he realized that,can't wait for the shorts to come back and throw him off guard XD

[@octaviablackthorn9]

@@eeveefennecfoxhe’s gonna lose his shit 😂

[@sparrowii]

I was so confused how long a "15 episode run" break is, until I realized you meant the season will have 15 episodes lmao

[@ElonorEzraValley_TheGuradian]

@@octaviablackthorn9 lmfaooo

[@justicefool3942]

There was a 9 month break between Season 1 and Season 2, so it will be at least that long, if not longer. She did also say that the break will be long, but the episodes will be released closer together. Considering it took 2.5 years to release all 12 episodes for S2, along with the Mammon special, the 4 shorts and the music video, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes over a year for S3 to start and then have the episodes release 1 month apart afterwards, with there being a mid season break like what happened with the last 3 episodes of S3. We will probably also get a good half dozen shorts in the mean time at least, I would imagine. Viv is also doing a lot of work for Hazbin, considering she has to make 3 more seasons of that for Amazon, so I'm sure she is incredibly busy. It's best to not rush her and allow her the time needed to give us the masterpiece she wants to create.

[@jamieandjam630]

I think the reason Octavia is so closely tied around Stolas is because not only does her life revolve a lot more of Stolas but also she also her character is also tied to Stolas. He did infact stay miserable because her wanted her to have a normal life, but she lashes out at different things. Loo Loo Land: She has a conversation about her dad disappearing and leaving her behind where she won't find him so Stolas can be with Blitzø, so she's learning to accept her dad is now dating a new person but it won't change her relationship. Seeing Stars: She has an important day and Stolas is so busy with Stellla and the divorce that he forgets said important day. She talks to Loona about it but it's about dad's making smaller mistakes. Sinsmas: This argument has many different argument points. Octavia's anger and sadness at how she won't see her dad for 100 years. She sings about how she will indeed be okay just not at that current moment, she'll learn to be okay without Stolas. She finds the pills and that gives her multiple thoughts. Has he been miserable this whole time. Have the pictures and the days they spent together smiling and happy were her new bonding moments been fake, has he been creating a smile and to hide it. When Stolas denies this and calls her the only good thing in her life she quite literally hurts. It feels like that person is harming themselves because they wanted to stay there, which is the reason Stolas stayed up in the marriage as he said to Stella so as much as it felt wrong it wasn't like he didn't say it himself. So she isn't sure what he's saying is real or as a way to make her feel better. A "lie" couldn't be told from the truth because so far she hasn't been shown what is a lie and a truth, the memories she shared could be fake/a lie because his real feelings in her eyes are unknown. Was he using the pills because of him. Was him running to save Blitzø without hesitation because of how miserable he was and he didn't care what happened because of his current life. Everything is all unknown because she didn't notice Stolas' intake of the happy pills. Also someone in the fandom has pointed out that because Octavia has no outside friends, or a different maternal figure she doesn't know what a mom is meant to be like and not only that she wears earphones and listens to music to block out everything. When Stella is throwing things and yelling in S1E2 she is wearing headphones to block out the sound. When Stella is calling Striker she's wearing headphones and listening to them on full blast. She walks around the palace listening to music and it blocks out a lot. Most of the time she's upset she listens to music. Probably to express her emotions and inner thoughts. She is more likely to have a more independent arc without Stolas now because she cut him out. What that arc will be maybe friends, a social life, a life around Stella or her cooling down.

[@Scorpintiime]

also, where I agree with Danny. if they gave her more words to express her side. they could have explained it better in the episode

[@TwittKid]

This is exactly what I've been thinking, but actually well-organized and coherent Feel a bit like some people forget Stolas threw away Octavia (albeit unwillingly) ...because of Blitzø, thinking of him first and her second (Actually been talking to myself a bit about how Octavia's life is basically just collateral to Stolas's love life)

[@WeaselZen]

I mean, I do get it. Both Stolas and herself have an unhealthy attachment to each other that goes a bit skewed on the love part, if not necessarily too far (they are father/daughter). The problem is that Octavia keeps seeing and receiving confirmation that, yes, Stolas is not perfect, but he deeply cares about her and is doing his best. She also keeps seeing her mother and their family constantly abuse Stolas, and yet has shown zero empathy towards him, tending to either avoid, ignore or even be personally offended by the very topic of her father being emotionally tortured for decades. For someone who cares about her father, has seen him being abused and has now seen him loosing everything and then finding out he was already at antidepressants, she again makes it all about herself. Even for a teenager, even for a teenager that doesn't get she has also been abused by her mother, that is a remarkable and nearly unredeemable lack of empathy and self-centeredness. Octavia has her mother's general attitude and values while having her father's temperament and emotional stability, to me at least, showing she has the less impressive and stable parts of both. Her feelings are understandable, her inability to empathise with anyone but herself at all makes her essentially a bad person, she's old enough to be a bit more accountable than that at a very basic level at least, at the very least to the one person who has shown her love and affection.

[@Content_Boi]

Whole ass essays

[@jamieandjam630]

@Content_BoiYes and great on at that. It's called a discursive essay, great for essay topics at school.

[@glaciermanhatten7]

You call yourself a Demon Owl lover, and you can't recognize Octavia is crying in sad hoots!

[@catflickscrystals8621]

Hooty would be shocked!

[@laneybug-a-boo6582]

10:46 yeah its almost like every time Octavia has these insecurities, Stolas waits until she has a breakdown or lashes out to reassure her that he’ll always be there for her but doesn’t show any follow through in changing his behavior. He continues to neglect her feelings and make her feel like a secondary priority in his life. Like I love Stolas, but Octavia continuously struggling with those feelings says more about him than it does about her

[@primos_4ever]

“ the way absol is hot💀, no I mean the way spirit is hot🐴, “ got me rolling on the floor😂😂

[@crystalepiceno9671]

Bro turned into Blitz for a second lol

[@Abbi-xd9ro]

same lmao

[@Victoria-_]

Same 😂😂😂

[@Lime_Sherbert]

@@crystalepiceno9671absol isn’t a horse

[@crystalepiceno9671]

@@Lime_Sherbert yeah, I was referring to him talking about Spirit lol

[@MeButShy]

I think ppl are also forgetting that Stolas chose to sacrifice himself for Blitz (on tv), and if the execution pulled through, Octavia would've lost her father. I think it was that decision that ultimately made her think Stolas "chose" Blitz over her. It's also hard to get what she's going through considering we know most of Stolas' perspective and not hers.

[@dearestdarling2241]

Also Stolas waited a month to actually see her. I know he called for a month, but that was simply stupid of him not to try to see his daughter in the flesh to explain himself. He should've gone to her immediately after the trial. Again...what people don't want to admit is that Stolas prioritizes his feelings over Octavia every time. He doesn't communicate with her.

[@Random_Thing-incarnate]

@@dearestdarling2241He couldn't that was the rule he wasn't allowed to see his daughter even if he tried he would've been pushed out did no one watch master mind?!

[@Goikuchan]

​​@@dearestdarling2241 Stolas is banished! He's not allowed to be on the property of his former home. I seriously can't believe this fandom doesn't realize this and keeps using this against Stolas. Octavia on the other hand could've snuck out at any time to see her father but didn't. It's called initiative. She knew he was trying to call her and yet she did nothing.

[@seeleunit2000]

Exactly. People in this fandom seem to have a very short-term memory and when they do remember things it's very selective. Octavia has a right to be angry with her father. But the real worry is that soon she's going to become a legal adult and her uncle might try to kill her so he can keep her dad's stuff...

[@seeleunit2000]

​@@dearestdarling2241That's exactly it. I've been saying this from the beginning and it's been shown countless times. He was perfectly capable of getting off of his behind to go see her. He could have asked blitz to drive him to see her... He's been classist, condescending, and spineless as well as unable to take his head out of his rear end to stop being so self-absorbed. And I think so many people in the standard relate to that bird, because they're just like him and that should tell you something. I mean, it never occurred to people that starting a sex for service situation with someone might not be grounds for a great romantic relationship... Which even in the show was acknowledged not to be a relationship. And no one seems to register that. They baby Stolas too much

[@irelynricketts8738]

I have seen one too many people suggest that the reason Millie was panicking about the pregnancy was because she cheated on Moxxie. I'm convinced that everyone thinking that doesn't know a thing about first time pregnancies and don't know that freaking out and calling someone for help or advice is a pretty normal reaction, especially if its first time AND unplanned, which this probably was. It's actually kinda refreshing to see the people in this comment section actually give other very valid and possible reasons for Millie to panic over than immediately jumping to the conclusion that she cheated.

[@SupaJofree]

Only reason I have the inkling is because of how she acted towards the assassin target who cheated. But could be upset about noe being able 2

[@NewZZZ-p3v]

Are you sure so many people specified "cheating"? I've seen a lot of people myself suggest the child may not be Moxxie's, but most seem to imply (or outright state) she was raped, not that she cheated. Either way, the writer certain does love in-your-face drama, but I don't know if they'd actually go that route or not.

[@mariazamora6824]

@@irelynricketts8738 Dude, word! I'm sorry but I saw too many male reactors, specifically, automatically assume her being upset at the pregnancy = it's not Moxxie's. Like, pregnancy & raising a baby is a scary prospect by itself, especially as a 1st time mom. And hello, they are ASSASSINS? They could die at any point on the job. Or maybe Millie really loves her job and doesn't want to give it up? Obviously I dont know every single man's reaction to her pregnancy but I'm just sitting here like...bruh, there's LOTS of reason she'd be upset/freaked out.

[@filmfangirls9163]

Oh snap Blitzøs the dad!! They were in the hotel!! Joking I swear I'm joking!!

[@andrewharris1344]

I would hate that if she cheated it would feel like a massive character assassination just for the sake of drama, and not even a new idea sense Blitz and Stolas already have a similar plot.

[@mstudios33]

22:30 It feels repetitive because Octavia DID arc in previous episodes, but it was still in the back of her mind from where she didn’t trust Stolas at one point. The reason it feels repetitive is because Stolas promised her that he wouldn’t leave her, which was basically the only thing consoling her, and she had the song because she felt like her trust had been broken right after regaining it and *she* felt like it was repetitive

[@G.D.G.]

Fr. The only reason it feels repetitive is because she trusts her dad. Stolas ignores her - shes mad, Stolas apologises and promises not to do it again. She gets ignored again, he apologises and she forgives him again. She FINALLY realised her dad will continue to forget about her. She finally got it. Repetitions done. He can officially eff off, shes done with his lying.

[@user-Ieatflies]

13:43 she says “I’ll be okay” as a callback to Stolas’ lullaby to her in a previous episode where he says “when I’m gone you’ll be okay” at least I’m pretty sure it is

[@LoudOwll]

100%

[@withxoutxlife]

Yep! The start to episode 2 of season 1. I loved the call back. =]

[@joeystaropoli7450]

It’s me harder than a freight train going mach 7

[@anitanielsen1061]

Me too! That’s what I was gonna comment too! :D

[@mariazamora6824]

I've found people being too harsh on Octavia AND Stolas. Octavia has a good foundation to be mad because up until the cheating was revealed, she thought Stolas & Stella were fine. And then her home falls apart due to her dad having a random fling (per her POV - she doesnt even know they knew each other as kids). This isnt helped by the way he talked & acted horny to Blitz in front of her. Ultimately, Stolas still "broke" his promise that he would never leave her. And with the pills - she isnt wrong that he was being miserable for HER sake. Stolas said so too. And even though we all see it as a demonstration of Stolas' love, Octavia can easily feel guilty & lash out. Finally, yea Octavia isnt a baby but she's still a child - a teenager still is going through brain development. And Stolas...we all know the story. But I think people are severly undermining the fact that Blitz was going to *DIE* in a kangaroo court THAT instant (not at a later time). I personally see it as Stolas exchanging his relationship with Via for Blitz's LIFE. Not just being with Blitz. Ultimately its all a shitty situation, but I can still see Stolas, Blitz, & Octavia having good relationships & healing. Edit for full transparency: My analysis isn't a counter argument to anything Danny said. I hadn't even gotten to that part. These are just my thoughts as a big fan of the show and based on other comments/reactions. Just wanted to get it off my chest lol ;)

[@sambostar1218]

I literally had this same thought about Octavia. Stolas didn't want her to know the truth behind his and Stella's marriage. He openly admits to Stella that he went through it all just for Octavia to have a normal life. So unfortunately to her it's still sudden, and neither of her parents actually sat down and talked to her about any of this. Stolas attempted to explain himself but never actually did. So as far as Octavia knows, her dad did go back on his promise. And I can say from experience that no matter how old you are, it's not something you can just get over, even with a real conversation about it. She still needs to process this information. And frankly? I can't imagine ANY kid taking "Oh we stayed together for you!" As a positive thing. My parents did that. And it actually made things harder. So unfortunately Danny kinda missed that one. But I understand why he missed it.

[@silveraxolotl7153]

To be fair his criticism isn’t if he situation but of how her character is written

[@Jeewanu216]

I think it's also important to note that ever since the fighting and initial affair, Octavia is seen almost exclusively blocking any vital information out by music. She didn't even hear the phone call where Stella was talking to Striker about killing Stolas. From her POV, it literally is just her dad cheated on her mom, and then threw away his family in exchange for the life of some asshole he was fucking. She has so little growth solely because she's coping by ignoring the details. So when a decision needs made on her part, she only has a two dimensional picture of what's going on. As someone who grew up with severe emotional dysfunction, I coped much the same way, and any arguments I ended up in with family often turned out with me just as misguided and stalled as Via

[@mariazamora6824]

@@sambostar1218 Additionally, in S1E2, Stolas *started* and wanted to explain to Via the whole situation with Stella & his affection for Blitz, but he ultimately stopped. Which is a GOOD thing as a parent because even though that wouldn't be his intention, he'd inadvertently be having Via carry the burden of the truth of his marriage. It's kind of like "What's going on between your mother and I had nothing to do with you." Again, I understand that Stolas really messed up but I'm annoyed with people calling him a deadbeat (bro, look at his childhood - he is such a better dad than would've been expected) and Via is unfortunately not entirely wrong. Edited for another point: As heartbreaking as it was to see Stolas sobbing (AMAZING VA work!), I was still happy Vivzie chose to emphasize this moment. He cried so much more DEEPLY at Via's rejection than when Blitz rejected him at the end of Full Moon. And he was more devastated after this crying session than after his & Blitz's break-up. So again, ppl acting as if he was the crappies dad ever is insane to me.

[@mariazamora6824]

@@Jeewanu216 I keep thinking about her nightmare when she was a little kid about not finding him anywhere. And literally like 2 minutes later in the episode, she wakes up happy about the meteor shower & initially can't find him in the house. This show has set it up for events to severely play into her fears, even if Stolas didn't intend to.

[@airakorainies]

You know what I really think the Octavia situation needs? Her to have an on screen interaction with Blitz that lasts more than a minute. Nothing Stolas can say will change her mind anymore and I understand that as someone who has been IN her situation. Once you have an opinion on someone, especially someone you love, it's hard to budge from it. Her real issue stems from her not knowing Blitz as well as shutting out Stella's abuse as she probably doesn't want to accept someone she loves is causing harm to the other. I do think she needs to interact with Stella more so we can properly gauge their relationship, but that's a little bit harder since they are both not main characters. There's a lot that goes into this- but the short of it is she needs to hear from Blitz that he... genuinely wants to be part of her life (even though he's expressed this to her like 0 times). She and Blitz need to *meet* and we're just not getting that.

[@emilyb5307]

Seconded! I understand she doesn't have a good relationship with her mom, for instance, but we're never actually shown what Stella thinks of Octavia (beyond "hahaha pawn") or what Octavia thinks of Stella beyond "sulky teen". I genuinely don't think Octavia has said a word to her mother once? And it's hard to fully parse where things lie there. She interacted with /witnessed Blitz in the second episode but really didn't interact much at all and was too busy with her own worries and being horrified at her father to actually learn about the man he likes spending time with. We basically need a "What was missing from my Father and Mother's relationship and what has he found in Blitz?" Discovery

[@BloodyKittenXOXO]

This is SO true

[@banana9347]

Maybe in one of the shorts, Vivize could delve into Via’s past and how she and Stella interacts.

[@jasmine9581]

I was hoping they'd have a longer interaction when she came by but then she didn't show up side by side with them, or some kind of... I dunno. "I think I know where -> of course he went to the palace to see you, why wouldn't he, etc etc yeah he lives with me but blah blah that trial was shit, (I dunno) ... But it was just... the exchange on Stolas' whereabouts, then "a bad look!" "A very bad look." Which made me happy because it's almost a +1 for them Both episode 11 and episode 12 gave me thoughts of "if these 2 characters could share just a couple seconds more of dialogue or interaction together". Last ep I wanted more Vassago & Stolas, even if it was just a "there you are" or _cántalo baby!_ *nods, grateful look, etc that's not just startled* We didn't see Vassago vote on testimony vs execution, though we have an idea what he would pick TL;DR I'm glad for them insult Andy together because it's like a +1 for them, I also wish they interacted on the way there, or she talked to him or appeared _with_ them for the fight (was she watching from the back?) ; and some Vassago & Stolas and Via pls

[@PlaguedDarkness]

Loona would also be a good choice as well, to try and talk about eachothers dads(especially now that Loona is showing a lot more acceptance/love towards Blitz), as Octavia and Loona had a nice moment together already, Via might be a bit more open to talk about these things with her.

[@daytonbrix]

22:15 Danny, It's not repetitive. Octavia is depressed because her home, her safety net is destroyed. Nothing is the same in her life anymore. And she is trying to find her safety: Octavia's home is in a constant chaos ever since Blitz came in to play. As her parents are constantly fighting. She's on the background. Her mother obviously sees her as just a pawn. So she knows she has no self worth to her. His father feels like he'll do anything for you while he doesn't show it. Makes her start to doubt herself. Her actual worth. But Stolas promised him the stars. He gave her worth. But the thing is: He also failed to connect with her daughter. Before the show and during mind you: We see the evidence of how apart they are, back in Lo-Lo Land. Stolas didn't know her daughter's likes and dislikes. He had grown distant to her. He wanted to get away and also wanted to bond with her daughter. But he fumbled it. The only thing that was worth it, that he was trying to connect with her daughter. "You aren't going to run away with him are you?" was her question to him. He said no. She adressed her fears to someone he trusted deeply and had been reassured. Yet her fears weren't for show: His parent was WORSHIPPING Blitz. She was worried that he was getting replaced. This wasn't a random question. It was her deep fear. Then comes Seeing Stars where this fear is given a much more hold: Stolas ignored his promise to her. Her fear turned into anger. She was ignored yet again. She has no actual self worth again. If noone is going to take her seriously, then she's going to do it herself! Give herself the worth she deserved. This way they couldn't ignore her ever again! But she doesn't know what she's doing. The moment she did what she did we see an actual teenager who doesn't actually know what she's done. But she has a goal and that goal and this obstacle can't deter her! Yet it did. Even though she tried she didn't manage to get anything done. Her fears are correct. She is worthless. All that she's good for is be a pawn for mommy and daddy. But then he shows up. Owning up to his mistake. She has self worth again! Her dad cares for her! And he promised! He won't leave again! Then Mastermind happens. It... It just happens. And Stolas rushes to save his ex-boyfriend because he loves him. But... Octavia? She's put on background yet again. She doesn't believe his dad actually wanted things to happen the way they do. He must've done it spur of the moment. HE MUST HAVE an explanation! But before he could do anything she finds the "happy pills". She looks at the box then in that moment she realizes this: "You never loved mother, you never loved me. You loved him." That brutal realization makes her realize that no matter what she does, she will never be that source of happines, as Blitz is. She will always be second. Is that the actuality of what's happening here? No. Not by a longshot. But that's the story she knows. She can't deal with another rollercoaster of emotions to happen again. It... It just hurts. So she decided to do one thing that thinks is the best option possible: Cut him off. She doesn't want to. But her father, even though unintentionally hurts her. She's a teenager. A kid. And every kid wants to have some sort of safety around themselves. She doesn't have that. So she does the only logical choice avaliable to her.

[@perrinaguilar5021]

You speaking from experience here? (Being genuine btw)

[@fantasyc_tsf7150]

YES

[@Jachra]

YEAH, *thank you*

[@emilyhurd1087]

THANK YOU! You said that so nicely and i really appreciate it because I was trying to find the words but couldn’t

[@Kendorable]

Via's distrust in her father is valid. He DID forget about seeing the stars with her, he DID have Blitz come with them on a day that was supposed to be about the two of them. She's been very valid in her feelings this entire time and Stolas hasn't actually put the work in to show her otherwise.

[@kendrar4333]

This!! Via deals with an abusive mother and a distant father. Her lack of trust makes sense. Each time there is hope build back up it gets crushed back down which makes it harder for her each time.

[@probablyinsane9955]

It’s true. Just having unconditional love for her is not enough. As a father he should be a man of his word. Though, I still think Octavia would be much more understanding if she knew the big picture, and the fact Blitz risked his life for Stolas time and time again just to save him from Octavia’s MOTHER!!!!

[@fluffy_magnus]

He didnt forget abt seeing stars bc of Blitz lol he was busy arguing with Stella abt the divorce. The only valid here was the loo loo land ep and they literally talked about it there. Why have that conversation if we are gonna forget about it now?

[@probablyinsane9955]

@ not saying it was blitz fault but it’s just a reason she doesn’t trust Stolas. He promised he wouldn’t forget, and then he did because of Stella. But, she forgave him and trusted him again and again just for every time he let her down once again. He said Blitz wasn’t someone she needed to worry about. He also said he would never leave her. Then there he is risking his life for the imp he said not to worry about.

[@Jane_Doe_Is_Dead]

I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again. Love is not enough. The Beatles lied. You need action. Stolas is only words. •He catcalls Blitzo on the phone right in front of Via, knowing full well that him having a sex partner is part of the reason she is so upset (also, it’s just outright inappropriate to dirty talk your sex partner in front of your child, especially if they’re under aged) •He had Blitzo come with him and Via on their daddy-daughter day for ‘protection’ when it was more than obvious he didn’t need it (literally turned some guys into stone and was not at all worried when a couple of those assassins were literally on top of him, instead opting to throw a fit that Millie and Moxxie were the ones who saved him) just so he can continue to catcall him, still in front of Octavia, even though the whole day was meant to be just for him and her. And, again, part of the reason Via is so mad is because STOLAS IS SEEING BLITZO IN THE FIRST PLACE. •Completely ignores Via because he’s too busy on the phone hurling petty insults at Stella to be bothered to actually listen to what Octavia is trying to say to him. And then he gets mad at Blitzo when she ran away???? •Goes to ‘look for’ Via in the human world and doesn’t actually look her, instead flirting with Blitzo on the set of a sitcom while Loona is doing all the work (he could’ve used his powers so easily to get him and Blitzo away from that human producer, which he should’ve done if he actually cared about finding Octavia) •Told Octavia he would never leave her for Blitzo, he promised this very clearly… and he broke that promise. •Waited a whole month until he decided to go to Andre’s place to get Octavia Stolas is a shit dad, and Octavia was incredibly mature and level headed this episode for setting very fair boundaries with him.

[@Ready_Shala]

21:18 Octavia can't have a conversation, just like Stolas. He taught her that they both have the right to make decisions on relationships with other people, without considering the other person. Everything Stolas does, Via copies, because he is the only somewhat positive influence in her life. She has no friends, no support system, she's a lonely child in a cold desolate household and she is going through it

[@Jachra]

Exactly. She's literally an isolated child whose only real emotional connection shattered. Lot of toxic takes about her.

[@RavenAveira]

I agree she definitely takes alot after Stolas but ppl need to stop babyfying her the same way they needed to stop babying Stolas, shes 17 and almost an adult, shes old enough to understand the situation more than she is, like placing all the blame on Stolas and only being mad at him when he was the one atleast making an effort, yet never once showing any ounce of hostility or resentment towards her mother is just downright stupid. She even made the stupid one sided comment of 'Why does he hate her more than he loves me?' yet that applys to Stella too, but for some reason she never shows any resentment towards her mother one bit, its ALWAYS her lashing out at Stolas which dont get me wrong he deserves her resentment, Im just saying she should be consistent, shes not blind, her mother makes NO attempts to hide her much she doesnt care for her and didnt love her dad, but again the ONLY one she blames is Stolas which is stupid af.

[@Charliewestmore321]

​​@@RavenAveira She knows there's no point trying to get Stella's love, so she doesn't act out in the same way with her. Stella is a full blown narcissist, she doesn't care about *anyone* but herself and she never will. I think Via is just so desensitized to her mother's complete lack of empathy that it doesn't even register how awful she is or why Stolas would hate Stella so much that he can't prioritize Via over his new relationship. I don't think she likes her mom at all, so her mom not loving her isn't something worth being upset about. She loves Stolas, so it hurts that it feels like he doesn't love her too. Or, we're not seeing how Stella is convincing Via she cares. Stella hates stolas, but when she thought he was about to die, she hugged Via. It wasn't genuine, but I assume that wasn't the only time Stella faked empathy to manipulate Via. We just don't see it on screen. She's probably telling Via she's not letting Stolas call her or see her in order to protect her.

[@nickioleary8577]

The way I interpreted Millie being anxious about being pregnant is that she’s worried she won’t be able to be an assassin anymore, like she’ll feel pressured to be a stay at home mom rather than follow her career or even if she can balance it with her job she won’t be able to do the same stuff she used to be able to because of the time and effort it takes to raise a kid. Maybe the episode where she admits she’s pregnant could lean into the household division of labor and have her and Moxxie figure out how to balance their careers, being parents, and still having their own lives. Even if it’s just the B plot of an episode I think that’d be great to talk about since this whole show is about relationships and how to work through them

[@nomisunrider6472]

I don't get why people think there has to be a specific reason why Millie is scared about her pregnancy. Being scared is a perfectly normal response, even to a pregnancy you were trying for. For one you didn't prepare for it's terrifying. I think it's always been on their minds, otherwise they'd have used protection, but the difference between a hypothetical and the reality is a deep gulf and of course Millie is frightened and unsure.

[@anitanielsen1061]

And ever since I had a certain conversation with my mom over me hypothetically getting a baby, I’ve also added “financial security” as a question to Why or Why Not Baby. Can Moxxie and Millie afford it and themselves and an okay social life?

[@noorsager5835]

i had similar thoughts, i think it would be an interesting angle on Millie's character for her to be worried about something as grounded in reality as "pregnancy/birth will be a burden on my body and i wont be the assassin i am" like those ballerinas in intense training and performing who take pregnancy incredibly seriously for that exact reason

[@zerberus_ms]

If one of them has to stay and take care of the kid, Moxie seems way more likely to do so (aside from the feeding, but there are ways...).

[@heltaku9397]

Imo if anything, Moxxie would be the stay at home parent, but they both need to work to make ends meet. Having a kid would be hard on them right now, especially because their job is so dangerous.

[@MEL-ie4sg]

I honestly love watching Danny's reactions because it validates all the opinions I already have. I love the Octavia rant because she does annoy me a little bit. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who called Millie being pregnant. And I really like the fact it was a hug and not a kiss because for Blitz it shows emotional maturity and Stolas his emotional exhaustion. I do find it odd that you didn't mention the parallel of Blitz already loving Octavia of how much she hates him. Loved that Vanitas ref too!! Merry Christmas and Hally Sinsmas everybody :)

[@Jonathan_Collins]

"You got what you wanted (sorta), but lost what you had." I think that kinda is a decent theme for this episode.

[@MesMARizingSoulVA]

very well said :)

[@blorks]

is that a princess and the frog reference i smell?

[@simpgod2170]

22:30, in Octavia defense, stoles could've explained the whole situation with blitz and her mom months ago, but he never bothered to properly explained it to her and now it come to a point where its too late

[@maryamtara2934]

Anything he would’ve done would’ve ended up being spun around since the fandom wanted a “punish stolas arc” so it would’ve been “oh you hate mommy so much and love the imp you cheated with that you accuse her of being abusive and planning your murder? I don’t wanna see you again “

[@arrowpaw1847]

​@@maryamtara2934That's *probably* not true. 1. Vivzie has repeatedly said that the entire general show and plot points have been written. Nothing for at least 6 months has changed the future of the show. 2. I as a child of divorce completely understand Octavia during this, I think most people who don't understand her haven't gone through their parents getting divorced or don't have very good media literacy.

[@jerusalemcarreno3260]

Fr✨ he was constantly high on happy pills that he never talked with her all she sees is a photo of when she was young re reminding her on how they missed the lights together & a box FILLED with pills she has every damn reason to be upset

[@MindofEmbers]

​@@maryamtara2934 ignoring most of what you said - it's been well established that Olivia isn't exactly a fan of her mother. That's why she's so broken when she feels betrayed by her dad - because she feels like she lost the only person who ever cared about her. If Stolas explained things to her a long ass time ago, things almost definitely wouldn't have gone this way.

[@maryamtara2934]

@@arrowpaw1847 You know that’s not true the plots move around since there was the instagram posts that was considered a part of the lore but now its not canon you know creators maneuver the plot line right or are you so traumatized by your parents divorce you can’t grasp this concept? Also do you know what’s worse than your parents divorce? Them NOT divorcing and living in misery together.

[@glitch.6475]

She caught you off guard once again

[@chrisdevine4364]

Fire commentary love your work. Danny: give me five minutes and you'll make the ocean jealous. Me: DAMN! I literally had to pull over at work to comment and congratulate you on that one. Also that backpedal joke would make a great short.

[@mooneditor_500]

YESSSSS!!!!! I KNEW THIS INTRO WOULD BE AMAZING!!!! Tears in my eyes, rolling on the couch, extended family judging me 😂😂😂

[@lulolie]

Viv can’t juke you 😂

[@Battlewinner5234]

Danny finally won the Helluva Boss release schedule/vacation schedule Roulette

[@orioncrawford9618]

My read on Millie's reaction is that she upset their having the kid , NOW. She would love to have a kid with Max, but with IMP being in its own infancy and in all of hell's eyes, is now the BEST time for this baby

[@leighsartbeans7759]

I totally agree, plus in the last few episodes it's definitely been expressed that they are super hard on cash. Like blitz spent all their money on horse plates while he was mourning his break up, and in that episode millie said that he hadn't paid them in months

[@sillybillylylyll]

Max 😭

[@manahilchaudhry8216]

25:20 One thing you didn't consider is that their line of work is dangerous and what would happen if they had a kid and millie/moxie got really injured....

[@Wilted.lycoris]

I see Millie’s apprehension about being a mom being more so about the prospect of bringing a baby into a horribly flawed system. We saw her in the hotel episode with internalized racism towards herself that she’s not totally worked through.

[@emuscreeches6092]

I totally agree

[@Shsy7573]

And also maybe the fact that she might be scared having a baby and being pregnant will incapacitate her and take her away from her job, which was the thing that really helped her step out of that internalized racist perspective.

[@vincentabramo7175]

​@@Shsy7573That is what I was thinking too.

[@AnInsideJoke]

She could also just simply not want kids, or at least, not want them quite yet. I really wish more fiction would have women decide that motherhood just isn't for them without demonizing said character. But sadly, society tends to continue to have a weird obsession over what we do or don't decide to do with our wombs.

[@Wilted.lycoris]

@@AnInsideJoke It very well could be that as well! It would not ruin anything for Millie to just not want to be a mom. My perspective comes from the backstory we’ve gotten regarding her. No matter what ends up happening,I will still be a Millie fan.

[@MakotoToriko]

Yes danny, WE WERE BLOWN AWAY, I’M CRYING

[@itzfadedanightwing]

We're all fucking crying😭😭😭

[@nezukokamado9561]

Me too

[@Alex_Stolslover]

We all were bruh

[@zaviergunnis1]

Millie's pregnancy was the most unexpected, yet expected thing. Unexpected through the show. Expected through the episode

[@dewdrpz.2]

25:00 you’re right this show does love traumatic shit, but you wanna know what would be even more traumatic than an abortion?…a miscarriage. I’m gonna bet on that miscarriage plot line until it is proven otherwise.

[@themegagamer6086]

24:00 millie was almost given the death penalty in the last episode and how many times has Millie been close to death I think millie's argument will be what if one day we get killed and our offspring is alone in this world with them at a young age

[@hellkaiser1366]

Without talking about the fact that they are not in a financial good place to have a kid

[@Mrryn]

​@@hellkaiser1366Not to mention a highly skilled imp assassin and a crime boss both having axes to grind against you specifically...not just presenting a danger to them being more vulnerable/off their game but the baby itself being a potential target of revenge.

[@finding_fae]

Octavia is a 17 yo girl. As someone who WAS a 17 year old girl with a very strife-filled relationship with my Dad, I'm sorry, but this is what being a teenage girl with messed up family relationships is like. She loves her Dad, but he has hurt her, whether or not it was on purpose and she is learning to deal with those emotions. Stolas also shows difficulty in how to relate to her or be with her, as seen very obviously in the circus episode. He's been in a medicated fog to deal with his life and yeah, it sucks that she's snapping at him but that's very normal teenage girl behavior for the situation she's been in. Our brains don't fully develop until like... 25. Emotionally she's got a lot of growing to do because she's very young.

[@baldgoldfish9968]

That's interesting and all but it's still boring to see her go through the same arc a third time she can be an emotional teenager off screen sometimes or at least have one episode where she does something else to break up the monotony

[@BeepBoop-z2v]

​@@baldgoldfish9968 I think it's to show that she's been let down by him over and over despite her forgiving him and trying to give him a chance

[@baldgoldfish9968]

@@BeepBoop-z2v still she could have had one episode where the focus was something else and/or just had have stolas panickedly leave mentioning he was supposed to do something with her instead of just showing the exact same thing on screen over and over again

[@emilynelson3066]

I like how they show the constant internal debate of “yea I love my dad but he has hurt me but I love him how do I feel” like it’s hard to choose one emotion to feel

[@lucasc0lorss]

he literally risked his life to go see her and talk to her and its “yOu dOnt lOve mE!” “you dont love mom!!” yeah like you havent seen your mom abuse your dad in front of you?? 17 is 17. not 7. she is old enough.

[@jayjay-xs1ey]

octavia is repetite in her doubt because stolas is repetitive in his faults. he continues to prove her right by continuing to choose anyone but her. he knew what it would mean to save blitz- either die or be exiled- yet did it anyway because thats how much he cares for blitz. he was willing to leave her fatherless for blitz. after all else hes done, which TLDRs to not being a great dad despite brief moments of apologizing for not being a great dad and vowing to change ways (which isnt shown to happen after either), it only makes sense via would feel betrayed once again and this time decide to not let it happen to herself again by cutting him off. she clearly doesnt like stella and im sure that will get more time in the future, but just because she is so much worse doesnt mean she cant not like stolas either. theyve both failed her and she feels her path to healing is moving on from both of them, starting with stolas.

[@e.k.2748]

"Octavia is repetitive in her doubt because Stolas is repetitive in his faults" is such a genius line and goes so hard

[@Toccame]

Genuinely you described this in the best way possible TGANK YOU

[@sillybillylylyll]

this!!

[@t-chan4640]

It's some level sad that because of this, Stolas had way more pressure. Via hates Stella and we could maybe even believe they never had good relationship. Via never trusted Stella so Stella could actually never betray her, but she actually loved and cared about Stolas when she was a little kid. Via believed and trusted that Stolas is a good parent who's there for her, but when Stolas kept breaking promises, Via started to lose her faith. You know what they say: The saddest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies; it comes from those you trust the most. And Via trusted always Stolas rather than Stella.

[@DieStarman]

Yeah sure but the thing is: Octavia see what an asshole stella is, but still thinks Stolas has to love her. It's not like she doesn't know he tried to call her and her mother blocked it. She thinks Stolas chose Blitz over her, even though he vowed not to, but the thing is he didn't; he clearly chose Blitz over Stella and tried to reach her. She doesn't consider her fathers feelings.

[@artemis2027]

6:41 that didnt take 12 hours. That took literally a month for him to realise he wasn't rich

[@GrahamChapman]

Specifically, it took until he realized that he needed income, because "money" doesn't exist to rich people the same way it does to the rest of us: They can go millions into debt, and it's no big deal, because it isn't that they _have_ money, they ARE money.

[@OREOTOASTER1929]

21:58 "Honestly maybe I just hate teenagers" Danny: TEENAGERS SCARE THE LIVING SH!T OUT OF ME!!

[@shalikrox9720]

😂

[@0l1v3r._.R]

MCR REFRANCE!!

[@Renegad3rogu3]

25:43 bojack is the only show ive ever seen that did an abortion with no back and forth about if they wanted the baby or not and i appreciated that.

[@grey8288]

In the Magicians there is a case where they don't want to keep the baby, the father is a r*pist, it's clear cut that the baby needs to get gone. The hard part was getting the abortion. Getting rid of the spawn of a cruel deity is difficult.

[@tambourine5272]

i was just thinking about that! and every show i’ve seen where there was a back and forth, the person who didn’t want the baby is always convinced to have it bc the miracle of life and some shi. i personally hate it bc people always seem to think that people who don’t want children will just change their mind one day, or that people who don’t want children are immature somehow

[@TKFTCaboose]

It's what I appreciated about LetterKenny too. On a season finale (going to avoid spoilers for others) a character gets a call that the girl they were with was pregnant. Then the opening episode of the next season it was immediately cleared without push back or fighting. I know we won't get that with Millie but it would be cool if it was mentioned and then done with.

[@horse00626]

@@TKFTCabooseI didn’t expect to find a Letterkenny comment on a Helluva Boss video so that was a pleasant surprise to read! This plot point was handled so simply and easily I forgot for a bit which characters that this even happened to, which is definitely the point that they were trying to make with it that it wasn’t ‘a big deal’ or an argument.

[@KIXWASHERE]

Sextina's song tho xD

[@MALØR.34]

All these reveals, Millie's pregnancy, all the emotional trauma, the ending dance with Blitz and Stolas; such a lovely episode and a conclusion to the season. Really excited for season 3.

[@delfinal7560]

7:01 bro went "Oh no, she's hot..."

[@mihaimorar2043]

I think the main issue that Millie has with being pregnant is simply the fact that it'll get in the way of her job. Millie loves working at I.M.P. and being pregnant is going to prevent her from doing that to pretty much any extent for several months. It's probably why she was being so insistent on doing the job. She wants to prove to herself that she can do it.

[@anitanielsen1061]

I wanna imagine it’s like Across the Spiderverse where there is a Spider-Woman who is both pregnant and on the front lines without impediment.

[@TheNinthGeneration1]

There’s also the fact she almost got executed literally the day the before

[@Curious-.-]

@@TheNinthGeneration1its a month later after the trial then sinmas comes

[@Salza02]

Or because they’re both not financially or emotionally stable to raise a baby. I guess Millie could live with her parents, but still they might not be ready to raise a child. Ghost fuckers showed how Blitz damaged the company and their financial assets. Millie and moxy went broke I think and that’s why Millie was persistent to kill the family in this episode to save money

[@madi-l1n]

8:54 imagine they're saving her budget for the song lol. Also the squeaks were bird trilling like how Stolas chirps when angry. Also agree with the song tangent. Because a big thing is that Stolas is going to be away from her for one hundred years. And she will have to grow and learn away from him and he will be away from her for that time and she'll have to live her life without him there. So the whole I'll be okay is her saying she'll move on from it

[@kieranshae]

I interpret the non-hug from Stolas at the end as he's still processing his emotions, Blitz being so warm and kind to him is a new experience, and he probably feels guilty because he got what he wanted, he got Blitz, but at the cost of Octavia.

[@FrancescaAkira89]

He is looking at the mistletoe

[@sillybillylylyll]

@@FrancescaAkira89 LOL

[@AkaylaWolf007]

32:17 Have a wonderful Christmas Eve and a miraculous Christmas and a happy new year! Love your videos and was truly surprised you were able to pop the video out right before Christmas. ❤🎉

[@RowanEvren]

22:04 this is the most real thing I've ever heard a KZbinr say

[@a13xneedsleep]

WE ARE FINALLY HERE LETS FCKING GO GUYS, I NEEDED THIS MORE THAN MY NEXT BREATH

[@avramredpanda4408]

1:57 "zero chance this story is actually long and traumatic" Danny, his mother died in a fire and was presumably trampled to death by horses, which is also the reason barbie wire wants nothing to do with him

[@craigcook76]

19:17 "The Prince" is Stolas (a prince of hell) and "The Knight l" is Blitzo

[@Aziel.jsk3]

BABE WAKE UP DANNY MOTTA JUST POSTED 🗣️🗣️ 18:43 "I'M NOT A FURRY-" IM LAUGHING SO HARD

[@andrefricke9998]

Like we'd be kink shaming ^^

[@Cry_ct]

Now THIS is how a reactor should be. Too many reactors are silent for the entire video and call that a reaction. This is a true reaction, someone that not only pays attention to the actual content but also discusses, theorizes and judges based on it. Easy 10/10 If I could subscribe twice I would

[@justatheorist.3864]

Technically you could on Otaku anonymous! (Collab channel with nick where they do anime podcast; [helluava is also there near episode release])

[@stardust_falling]

exactly!! his reactions are the only ones i watch. and yet there are so many people that hate on him for talking too much...as if that isnt what a reaction channel is supposed to do

[@azlexelsfierysnowflakes8363]

@@stardust_fallinglove Danny for these reasons if you looking for another good reaction channel Dylan is not in trouble has really good movie commentary he talks about directing choices and more technical parts of movies and is genuinely funny

[@spencerhardie5015]

if you want to give him extra support you could always sub to his second channel Honestly Brutal or his podcast Otakus Anonymous

[@Cry_ct]

@@spencerhardie5015 That's a good idea actually

[@amandinhagimenez7982]

3:01 "nobody knows stolas better than i do" bro, you are a such fangirl, love it

[@amandinhagimenez7982]

27:24 the perfect laught, come on

[@Nevertoleave]

He loves an owl

[@ErosNocturne]

@@Nevertoleave he'll have an owlsona once he accepts being a furry...

[@janrotgans5658]

But lete be real there are bigger stolas fans here ( yess i am one duh i love my birdboy)

[@alchemicpink2392]

The thing is, Octavia's reaction makes complete sense. She's acting exactly like my sister did when she was a teenager in a... less fraught and dramatic but nonetheless messy situation wrt our parents. Reconciliation over what feels like a betrayal like that first and foremost takes time and effort from the parent (which I'm happy to report the parent in question in our situation has done), irrespective of what actually caused it. And Stolas DID choose Blitzo over his daughter. He didn't intend to, he didn't have time to think and it's mostly Andy's fault (which nobody but Andy himself is even cognizant of right now), but he did choose. It's also a pattern of behavior for him at this stage. Loo Loo Land and Full Moon, anyone? Octavia has seen a negative change in her father's behavior while her mother has not changed in response beyond yelling more at that father, and lacking both information and emotional maturity (and being ignorant to Stella being abusive because she's extremely sheltered on top of that) it would be weirder if she didn't blame Stolas.

[@carlafuqua1685]

0:33 a lot of people are putting out videos with titles like "Helluva Boss is Actually Bad" but no one can deny the power each episode has to draw millions of views in the first day of release. People love to watch the funny, dramatic demon show.

[@andre_f_607]

Yeah, but i kinda agree with some of these videos. Helluva Boss is really fun, but it has some problems that the fans had to point for years until things change. The character of Millie is a good example. The showrunners put her to be emotional support for the main cast and only two episodes ago she got a nice development. And, It still surrounded over Blitzø, as the camp ep was more about Moxxie and, for now, it will about her pregnancy/motherhood.

[@w.h.o3161]

Not saying its bad but something having millions of views doesn't make it good

[@X.flying_suckz.X]

24:26 she probably just knows that the baby won’t be safe

[@edifiedermine9247]

Yes, I’ve SEEN Millie get punched in the stomach before. THAT JUST CANT HAPPEN NOW. Having a child at this point in the show and in her life is difficult, and she’s nervous because the pregnancy wasn’t expected. That would make anyone overwhelmed.

[@X.flying_suckz.X]

@ THIS also like her job just is horrible for a baby (unless you want to teach the baby how to massacre once it’s out the womb) the baby is in no safe place especially in the ring their in or what they do as a job overall

[@myname9130]

There's also a lot of powerful people trying to kill them now, between Striker, Crimson, and now Andrealphus and possibly Mammon thanks to their connection to Fizz they have a lot of very dangerous enemies that would have absolutely no issue stomping a baby to get to them

[@lulolie]

@@myname9130THIS. They are a target, financially low, and are in CONSTANT danger.

[@X.flying_suckz.X]

@@myname9130 exactly, so maybe she’s just worried for the child’s safety and is scared to tell moxxie so he doesn’t worry as well, and then also what would her parents think? Poor Millie

[@italian_jester6970]

As a woman who had seen many pregnancies and is the oldest of many siblings and is working to be in the medical field within the pregnancy field. Yeah, pregnancy can make you uncharacteristically mad. Pregnancy makes your hormones disastrously wacky wonky because you’re growing another human being as well as organs that didn’t exist beforehand, it’s not uncommon for these hormones to spike a lot of cortisol which is a stress hormone making it hard to keep your cool in situations where you wouldn’t naturally react in a negative way. Now every-time your pregnant wife is upset about something it doesn’t necessarily mean to blame it on the hormones. But if she’s upset about something tiny and is viscerally upset about it for a reason that is very clearly unneeded, respect it, buts it’s alright to take it with a grain of salt.

[@lakethefrog]

Thank you for informing people

[@lucitheduckking]

no cuz when stolas said “i imagine we look ridiculous right now” i literally said YOU LOOK ADORABLE RIGHT NOW out loud 😂❤

[@eclipsica6107]

HE'S HERE FOR THE EVENT OF THE YEAR!!! And now we wait for Danny to react to the entirety of Epic once the Ithaca saga comes out on Christmas

[@TitlingTree]

Exactly

[@allisonf1308]

Yes!

[@michi_mixhii]

it took practically five seconds for octavia to incinerate andy's dragon imagine if stolas still had his powers

[@Bloomingz]

10:26, I had the same thoughts, till I realized the reason why those feelings were rekindled. In the episode loo-loo land, her dad literally promises her he’d never leave her and run away to blitz. And now, in Octavia’s perspective, he’s broken that promise. These feelings being rebought actually does make sense

[@cinnamonbeanbaby444]

Ya, just remove seeing stars and that would be perfect

[@Bloomingz]

@cinnamonbeanbaby444 honestly, seeing stars was such a mess I don’t even like to think of it in canon in my mind. The episode not only ignored stolas and blitz is earlier fight in the finale but also just reused the Octavia plotline in a lazy way. The only thing we got meaningful from that episode was loonas backstory. This episode handled Octavia WAYY better than it did in seeing stars

[@lasutherlin9398]

Thank you for taking the time to make this! It was absolutely incredible!❤

[@Nick_silv22]

In case anyone is interested. The characters of helluva have their own official instragram accounts. They have posts between episodes that show some more of the the characters. (+blitzes spelling errors)

[@spirit8620]

Weren't those taken down a while ago?

[@landonwinkler1357]

Could you tell which characters gave one

[@Floweramon]

Didn't those stop and were no longer considered canon?

[@Nick_silv22]

@@spirit8620 octavias was taken down cos creeps yes💀

[@Nick_silv22]

@landonwinkler1357 blitz and stolas are the prominent ones (havent posted since season 1 finally tho) Blitzorodeo is blitzes and stolas comments on his posts

[@Bor3dc4p1d]

15:06 the way he clocked it so fast BYE 😭

[@wooperfan584]

Lmao not Danny running to his chair 😂 His fight with Vivzie will never end it seems-

[@samuel10125]

Or with Alex Brightmen

[@JDComo-yj7sh]

What makes me mad about Octavia is that she knows her mom has been blatanlty blocking her from talking to her dad for a whole MONTH! Her mom has been shouting and laughing about it. She knows her mom's ill intent. She knows Stolas has been trying to talk to and connect with her. She also saw the trial and, most likely, knows her mom and uncle's hand in the mess because her mom doesn't stay quiet about anything. And yet, she still blames her dad and doesn't acknowledge her mom's behavior. I get that she's a teenager, but she's not happy around her mom and she's not the target of her mom's malice. You would think she'd understand her dad wanting out of the relationship where her mom is PURPOSELY trying to make his life as miserable as possible.

[@randomaj9752]

Sorry, to respond because you probably don't want my 2 cents. But in my opinion, especially when you deal with open and accepted abuse by someone ( in this case, her mother ), it can be really difficult to get openly and fully mad at them like she did with Stolas. To let out that much emotion, after years of neglect and abuse, often can only happen with people you trust. It can be difficult to get mad and openly blame someone, when you feel like they could actually hurt you and get away with it. + there's the whole thing where having to directly talk to stella, is probably the last thing she wants to do right now. That's my opinion anyway.

[@MariNebuleen]

This is what annoys me too😭

[@lakethefrog]

She has every rights to feel that way

[@JDComo-yj7sh]

@randomaj9752 a good insight

[@souffrantdepine3762]

11:20 DANNY. Ffs man. Like, I'm not gonna rip your head off or anything, but you gotta realize, these feelings coming back more than once MAKES sense, ESPECIALLY in this specific context. In Looloo Land Stolas SPECIFICALLY promised her that he wouldn't run away with *Blitz.* And while he did the right thing by doing what he did it DOESN'T change the fact that he broke that promise the SECOND it was tested. Octavia GETS to be upset about this.

[@MiwaYamato-qb6ol]

Fr tho. "You should forgive your father who ruined your whole family and broke promises by cheating on your mom with a manipulative jackass" like Danny no. Stolas had his chance for the explanation talk, he just didn't cause hes not a good father and doesn't put taking care of his kid before getting railed.

[@havictenebriss8856]

He didn't run away to blitz first chance he got though, he stripped of his title and kicked out his house. Blitz is just taking him in. Stolas thought he was going to die for trying to help Blitz, doesn't make it any better, but he didn't willingly break the promise either.

[@KaiCuerrier]

24:05, I personally think she's worried Blitz and Moxxie won't let her /want her to work while pregnant, and she really loves working so she probably won't wanna stop

[@MK-zl1kc]

I don't think THEY would want her to keep working but she herself doesn't want to feel useless + they have problems with money so Millie not having a job will be a big problem cuz babies need a lit of money

[@victoriawhitcomb6475]

I know a lot of people are hating on Oktavia but... nothing she says is objectively untrue. Even if perhaps lacking some context, what she says is all true. Stolas says in Mastermind that he would rather be dead than live without Blitzo. Stolas stays in his marriage to Stella because he loves Oktavia, but he is staying out of obligation for her. Stolas is dependent on his antidepressants because of how miserable his life with Stella was. Not to mention, in her eyes *she* is the problem. She is the reason her father, someone she loves, is hurting himself. And let me tell you, knowing that you are the reason someone you love is actively making their life worse with absolutely gut you inside. Hell, she may even think that what she's doing is for his own good, cutting him out so he won't have to suffer for her anymore. And also... for the love of god, she's *seventeen*. She's a literal child dealing with some heavy shit with no support network, of course she's gonna crash out. Hell, I wouldn’t be shocked if she ends up taking Stolas's meds in an attempt to self-medicate, because I genuinely thought that's what she was going to do when she found them.

[@maryamtara2934]

Seventeen isn’t “LITERALLY a child” it’s an older teen…. Your points fall flat when you infantilize a character who’s months away from being an adult

[@RenNightrain]

​@@maryamtara2934she's still a child. She hasn't had any experience with maturity and mentally, she still acts her age. Even by hells laws, she's still a child.

[@RenNightrain]

​@@maryamtara2934she's still a child. She hasn't had any experience with maturity and mentally, she still acts her age. Even by hells laws, she's still a child.

[@Medic3685]

​@@maryamtara2934... 17 is still a child. Also, even if she was freshly 18, she still was raised by a spiteful and cruel mother, and a father who often makes promises he never keeps. She thinks stolas is miserable because she made him stay, that she made him stay with a woman who tried to assassinate him. Regardless of how old you are, I think it's reasonable to be emotionally distressed if you believe you singlehandedly are the reason someone you love is in pain. At least I hope so. If not, you should probably speak to a therapist.

[@dr.atheist3087]

Adult in the eyes of the legal system but mentally she wouldn't be an "adult" until about 25.

[@Chaotic-Cactus]

This episode wasn't just an emotional rollercoaster, it was a whole THEME PARK

[@carleytimmerman6451]

Your “beef” with Viv never gets old 😂 This episode was CRAZY

[@Jachra]

I dunno, it's pretty old watching him not get child psychology

[@animatingangel7946]

I feel like Octavia’s mindset towards her father has shifted since her introduction, going more from anger to moving on. Her initial concern was him “leaving her for Blitzø and going somewhere she couldn’t find him”. Unfortunately for her, that’s exactly what Stolas did. In the eyes of an angry teenager who’s forced to live with an emotionally abusive mother and uncle, seeing her father give up EVERYTHING for Blitzø and literally kiss him less than 5 minutes ago, probably caused her feelings of abandonment to resurface. Even if they did have a genuine talk, like one in Loo Loo Land, Stolas hasn’t kept a single promise to Octavia. He didn’t take her to see the meteor shower because of the divorce, which Blitzø was the catalyst of, and he gave up everything for Blitzø, which caused them to be separated. Octavia is, in my opinion, allowed to not grow as a character because she’s just a teenager who continually gets disappointed by her father.

[@Someloser3232]

Maybe it’s cause I relate a little too close to the situation but the repeating is part of norm in situations like Via, Stolas and Stella. Like I’m not gonna rant cause I might as well make my own KZbin react channel at that point but, Octavia feeling the way she does about Stolas is so real to these situations. The fact that she forgave him twice already and is NOW done with him, after he fucked up super big, is the growth.

[@G.D.G.]

Fr. She gave him MULTIPLE chances to fix his shit and he didnt. He kept this up for what.. years at this point?? No shit shes done with his bs.

[@phillipwilliams2803]

The unhinged rants at the beginning have easily become my favorite part of these videos.

[@Mr.MossyTeacup]

That's so real, I love how unhinged it is😂

[@yannismorris4772]

If they have that baby. We all know in the depths of our hearts that Moxxie's gonna carry that baby in one of those sling baby-carrier things.

[@nox9749]

Imagine the baby in a walker (a sling is more likely but still), Moxxie would be so invested. 200 pictures of the baby in each new scenario. The baby shifts and that's 20 more pictures.

[@eaglest0554]

Vivzie really said "Merry Christmas Danny, here's a peace treaty for a couple months."

[@waffle5489]

it's gonna be at least a year, likely more till season three.

[@eaglest0554]

@waffle5489 Oh damn, a year? I was expecting more like 4-6 months 😭

[@waffle5489]

@@eaglest0554 yeah, that stuff takes a long time, but viv did say they will drop some shorts in the meantime so not that bad.

[@laaseia]

I was distracted by Danny's necklace this whole episode. I like it alot

[@katiemcollects]

There’s a lot to unpack in this episode…..but Stolas’ little chuckle/laugh is all I keep going back to 😭❤️