dude i live in reno and watching you ride all these trails within reach of where i live freakin motivates the hell out of me, thank you for all you do and i look forward to wathcing all your ish
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much dude! I'm glad you get a kick out of my stuff!
@dreadpirate46 жыл бұрын
Old, but gold! I just rode Peavine for the first time today. There are some gnarly rocky descents out here!
@bkxc6 жыл бұрын
Nice!! I've gotta see some more of it
@dreadpirate46 жыл бұрын
BKXC try "N" trail and snake run if ye be brave enough! ⚔️
@CooperCoolAAA6 жыл бұрын
I’m lucky enough to live at the base of peavine in northwest Reno, and I love Mountain Biking! The trails are just great here! Peavine Mtn is pretty much my backyard! And I always ride right by those radio towers, so I guess it’s just really cool to this kind of stuff
@rebeticstone8 жыл бұрын
Very nice flow trails
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@kylemarmesh75368 жыл бұрын
Love these trails, use to ride all the time in college. Check out Galena Creek trails in southern Reno at the base of Mt. Rose!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Galena is 😍
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Nice, always looking for more trails to add to the list!
@ryndanriley53486 жыл бұрын
@@bkxc it's pretty cool you can do this trail and the forest trails in Galena and never really leave the city. Reno may not be perfect but you can't really rival the variety.
@andrewalseth11398 жыл бұрын
Hey! I live there! And rode Peavine that day, too! Next time you're around Reno, you have to do Whites Creek and Upper Thomas Creek
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Nice! Thanks for the suggestions.
@stayfocused1883 жыл бұрын
Hey!! me to I have been for the last 6 years lol I know the lady that has that pick up truck lol
@petayV88 жыл бұрын
Wow didn't imagine that area to be so smooth and flowy
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, pretty trippy!
@Johnslist Жыл бұрын
I liked hearing the brake noise of a mere mortal. Seeing pros carving at unreal speeds gets old.
@bikingwithoutborders8 жыл бұрын
Awesome trails, great flow. I like how you had a rider who knew the trail well up front carving great lines and giving a 3rd-person perspective to watch the bike handling. Those bikes too, that Yeti was pretty top of the line. The XC tires with less rolling resistance can still hold pretty decent grip it seems, nice for those longer rides. Another great video, thanks for posting.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! I was amazed at how well those tires gripped when they didn't look very aggressive.
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Those tires are pretty darn good. Certainly not as grippy as an enduro-specific tire, but with a little body english and diligence they grip just fine. :)
@zombiberioni72248 жыл бұрын
this guy you're riding with has a very sweet looking bike!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
So cool I made a video about it for Wednesday
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Hehe, thanks man :)
@MrDavidock8 жыл бұрын
Can't get OVER that Yeti. Must be such a blast.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Haha, yeah man, start saving your pennies!
@marcwittkowski51468 жыл бұрын
I love the trail. So smooth and quiet. Doesn't always need to be overly technical. And 11 miles of descending is heavenly. Wish I had trails like these in my vicinity. Edit: Should've watched the whole video first =D Still, beautiful trails, even the technical sections. And that Yeti is a beauty!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yeah pretty fun stuff!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marc 🤘
@MitchWarren448 жыл бұрын
Still watching Brian! And now also is my trail puppy at only eight weeks!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mitch! Trail puppy is gonna be fun!
@coreymclernon8 жыл бұрын
Nice work keeping up without any local knowledge!!..... both up AND down!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Couldn't let him get too far away!
@alexthemtbr8 жыл бұрын
If you would like a tour guide for any of the east bay riding (jmp, diablo, Pleasanton ridge, Del valle, briones, las trompas) let me know! I'd be stoked to show you around!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! I'll hopefully be doing more group stuff when I get back home.
@mattdsteacy8 жыл бұрын
Just got your pain and pleasure shirt man! Glad help out the epic journey
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Awesome, dude! Thanks so much
@mattdsteacy8 жыл бұрын
BKXC happy to wear it proud man
@mtbking92158 жыл бұрын
Looked like such a smooth trail. Sick!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Pretty fun stuff!
@antonioespindola20008 жыл бұрын
BKXC is patreon not working for safari every time I try to commit to the three dollars a month it just crashes it tells me to reload the page and I can't do anything
@mtbking92158 жыл бұрын
Antonio Espindola you could just download another browser...
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I haven't heard that before. Definitely make sure you've got all your updates and turn off/on your device.
@antonioespindola20008 жыл бұрын
BKXC I will check again or try a different browser like they sugested awesome riding 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@claytonmarkin78638 жыл бұрын
I used to live in reno, in the condos right next to that trail, it was incredible
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@angelar92298 жыл бұрын
Jonathan is freaking fast!!! You hung in there pretty well too! Good job bro.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, beast mode!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate 👍🏻
@angelar92298 жыл бұрын
Will you ever get yourself an XC race machine?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Never say never, but I would rather just have one bike.
@mickdundee46388 жыл бұрын
Definitely different scenery loved it
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Best name on KZbin? --> Mick Dundee 🇦🇺🔪🐊
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yeah man, some great terrain!
@ryand1219848 жыл бұрын
Nice ride guys! XC Yeti rider shredding that trail, man he is railing.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Big time quickness!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate 👍🏻
@hananzhang93718 жыл бұрын
Great video! I must admit, I think that's the most you've been outpaced (towards the beginning.) That guy and his bike are a monster!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Hahah definitely!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Hehe, thanks mate :) Brian did awesome that day!
@DOT.1588 жыл бұрын
Nice trail in Nevada, hope I can come sometime there to ride with you;)). Keep riding with joy;)). The nice view makes all the money we have;)
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tudor! It was a great ride
@raffitchakmakjian5 жыл бұрын
I'm moving to Reno. That looked intense!
@ThunderStruckMTB8 жыл бұрын
Very cool! Almost identical to where I call home in SoCal.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Interesting! So many different weird landscapes out there. I love em all
@Aanonymous887 жыл бұрын
Beautiful trail. Great Ride!
@bkxc7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@TonyFernandezjkdjedi8 жыл бұрын
Who knew there was some great trails out there! nice video.
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Plenty more out here!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool! Thanks dude
@camo20108 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Awesome trails. Would love to get to the States one day and ride some of them. We have some great trails down here in NZ. Just have to put up with all the Earthquakes😀
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! Get over here! I'm headed to the South Island in a couple weeks, earthquakes or not!
@camo20108 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for those videos. Enjoy!
@TheAVJedi8 жыл бұрын
Awesome trail and video!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@maxhippert27848 жыл бұрын
My brother rides for Jonathan Lee's XC team here in Reno. Awesome Vid man, keep it up.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Nice!! Very cool that he's involved with high school coaching!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
What's up Peter's brother!? :)
@maxhippert27848 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Lee Whats up dude! Nice riding out there!
@PeterCPRail87488 жыл бұрын
it is always best to ride with someone more skilled, you pick up alot. more great riding.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Definitely! I think I got a nice free lesson that day.
@chameleonpogono7 жыл бұрын
Nice! Haven't heard of this one. I will have to try it out the next time I visit family near Reno.
@bkxc7 жыл бұрын
It's cool!
@mtlxc55868 жыл бұрын
cool video Brian . keep on riding amigo
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nelson!
@tamserenity6 жыл бұрын
Loved the FLO!
@bkxc6 жыл бұрын
It was nice!
@eddarell94748 жыл бұрын
Nice Brian! You did well considering the altitude and ridding buddy Cat 1 rider. Always learning Skills with the faster rider. As Alex would say is you ain't shredding you ain't ridding. 👊🏽😎✌️️
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Hahaha definitely! Thanks Edd!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Brian killed it! 🤘
@Whitesnake28 жыл бұрын
More quality content Brian. Those trails look sweet. Flowy as. I'd go a bit easier on yourself regarding the braking man! Dude's a racer riding his own local trails! Like you said, always good to rip with peeps better than you! How you gonna learn otherwise? Great Ride!!!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks brother!
@whiplash2317 жыл бұрын
These trails look a lot like what I have here in Christchurch NZ on the Port Hills.
@bkxc7 жыл бұрын
Interesting! Dusty and wide open!
@DavidBrownFan8 жыл бұрын
Now that looks fun!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
It was a good time!
@ED758046 жыл бұрын
thanks 4 taking me along too from Russia\Samara
@bkxc6 жыл бұрын
Glad to have you Frank!
@ED758046 жыл бұрын
by the way my name is not frank - it s just Escape from Alcatraz with Clint Eastwood is my number one movie after Showshenk redamption - what kind of movie do you watch sir? And what do you do for a living - i am a second hand two weels seller
@radek56908 жыл бұрын
Great ride. Your friend Jonathan, I think he trains on a pump track. He starts pulling away when starts pumping his bike. (Not pedaling) I agree with you, he is bad ass. But you are pretty good yourself. Take it easy.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Yep! Wednesday is pump day, not hump day :)
@sanderterschuur63868 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Sooooo happy 👍🏼
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy!
@devd38318 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid bro! keep it coming! I've watched almost all of your vids and none disappoint :)
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it!
@drumsxo8 жыл бұрын
Holy crap! Nevada is at that high of an elevation?! I'm gonna have a serious adjustment period if I move there from Western New York! D: Anyways. Great video, dude! As usual, it made my dinnertime that much more enjoyable. :D
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Just Reno! I don't know about other spots. You'll get used to it in 3 weeks.
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Almost all of Nevada is above 3,500'. Southern Nevada is an outlier with the Vegas area being so low.
@connormeans59283 жыл бұрын
Is there a strava or map of the exact ride that you did? How many miles was it? Did you just ride to the top of Peavine Mountain and back down?
@tntneonmtbiking76488 жыл бұрын
that trail looks so smooth or is it that you made it look smooth because of your riding skills:-). be blessed
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Very smooth stuff!
@KG-jr8lc8 жыл бұрын
i really like the look of the rock shox rs1 fork!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's pretty cool. Bike check video for his bike coming Wednesday.
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Me too :)
@mountaintime42768 жыл бұрын
Cornering skills! Working on that myself.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Never good enough!
@oldaxehead6556 жыл бұрын
That was pretty awesome
@blueage15608 жыл бұрын
The greatest thing about your vids is the variety of terrain, put this next to Moab and it looks like a completely different sport. Question: What tyres do you run on your Bronson? Do you swap them out depending on what terrain your hitting or just stick with what works?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It's so true. I love the variety. I just keep the same tires on all the time, link in the description!
@jerzmontana77845 жыл бұрын
I'm headed there now!!!!
@grega44508 жыл бұрын
another great video
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude
@chrisgarland93818 жыл бұрын
Awesome ride man
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude!
@Velogi8 жыл бұрын
What kind of microphone setup do you use to catch the speech with no wind noise while riding?
@ChrisPoli8 жыл бұрын
Velogi - Pyöräilevä videoblogi he's got it in his gear section. It's just a mic screen on the gorpro itself.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Link in the description!
@Velogi8 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It seems GoPro audio has gone a long way (forward) since I tested them.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Once it's outside of the waterproof case it's amazing!
@emstnjowtolmsn8 жыл бұрын
Hey man, great videos! You should come do a video on trails here in Chico, CA!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude! I'm definitely getting up to Chico for a Bidwell Bump ride eventually!
@rudyrodriguez60572 жыл бұрын
3/22/22 Hello my name is RudyRod just moved to Reno and Ive been riding PeaVine. I can seem to find the trail on this video. How do I get Thanks
@grzegorzcichosz82408 жыл бұрын
When did you film this video? It seems like summer in my central european eye...
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
A couple weeks ago!
@grzegorzcichosz82408 жыл бұрын
And it looks like summer... Q couple weeks ago in my country there were red leaves on the trails which were completely wet...
@donzampa8 жыл бұрын
Loved it.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Don!
@carlosgalarza88138 жыл бұрын
Dude for real what a good videos! I notice you use a gimbal.. However what is the set up you use in your gopro? Resolution, fps and lens angle? Thanks!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Link in the description, bud
@ChrisCXK8 жыл бұрын
I'd love to actually experience downhill riding one day. We have hill biking instead of mountain biking in San Antonio.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yeah man, gotta try it!
@luislorente47148 жыл бұрын
Just a thought, dont you think that the capra is a bit overkilled for that kind of trails? Maybe a jeffsy would have been better.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yep yep, said as much in my Capra video.
@Xav9118 жыл бұрын
Like the Capra
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
You like the Capra? Or do I like the Capra?
@kingrat7388 жыл бұрын
That dude had mad skills (on smooth flowy stuff)... being cat1 he can probably ride most anything... don't they have any gnar there? ;-)
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
He's a beast! No idea if they've got chunk!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Thanks man :). Plenty of chunk in the area. We chose to ride a big route that gave us a lot of vertical descent, but it takes you through a different area than the chunky stuff in this network. Next time. :)
@ladicius8 жыл бұрын
Always have an open invitation to UCSC! I'll quit commenting about it, but know that the offer is always on the table.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks man!
@festivefilms51547 жыл бұрын
lol I live right in front of peavine. It’s 2 minute walk up my neighborhood haha, this is so weird seeing this for some reason
@bkxc7 жыл бұрын
Very cool!
@markcaruana26978 жыл бұрын
how long have u been riding? when did u start progressing? i jus m giusto my first mtb this year and i love it. I'm trying to increase my skills.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
I've been riding about 5 years, but I really started progressing this year when I started facing my fears and riding with guys who were better than me.
@markcaruana26978 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I really enjoy your channel, next year I'm probably going to upgrade to a full suspension bike now that i know I'm into it. Watching review hellos narrow it down because i don't have access to a lot of of those brands. I'm hoping to demo some bikes next summer.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@TALLNDIRTY8 жыл бұрын
Really great job on the video...how much suspension travel does your bike have?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! That's a Capra CF Pro, I have no idea but Google will tell you!
@fatmaxstanley23698 жыл бұрын
what gopro settings are you using? what camera?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Link in the description
@fatmaxstanley23698 жыл бұрын
Oh awesome man!
@fatmaxstanley23698 жыл бұрын
But may I ask, ofter the new gopro update with the shutterspeed settings and so on, what settings do you use on them?
@Stickybutton8 жыл бұрын
Where can you get POC and Yeti shorts together?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
He custom ordered the shorts from Cuore
@Stickybutton8 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm there's no option for that on their website though. Anyway thanks for replying!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Those shorts are custom one-off shorts for me, but you can design your own or have CUORE design your stuff. 👍🏻
@Kennardy8 жыл бұрын
Brian, I'm a fan and subscriber of you channel and I need some help. My wife and I want to Mountain Bike at Lake Tahoe. We thought a resort like Northstar or something would make it convenient with rental and lots of trail options. We are upper intermediate to single black diamond trail riders. Do you have a suggestion of what might be the best option for us on that area? Thank you.
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Hey Kennard, I'm not Brian but being a local I think I can help here. Northstar is the best bet of you are looking for everything in one spot. There are a ton of trails that would fall within your experience range there, and the amenities of the resort are top notch. They rent all Specialized stuff. Otherwise your best bet is to go to South Lake Tahoe and stay somewhere like the Heavenly Village, rent bikes from a local shop and ride the trails around Armstrong Pass. Cheers!
@Kennardy8 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Lee Thank you!
@lukewight89888 жыл бұрын
Love the vid but what camera setup do you have
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Link in the description!
@mvkexplores58778 жыл бұрын
Sweet video Brian! If you venture down toward Vegas, check out the Bootleg Canyon trail set in Boulder City. Its some pretty fun riding.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yeah! I rode it during interbike and did a bit of a video on it. Not my favorite surface!
@mvkexplores58778 жыл бұрын
I tore through a sidewall there. Made for an interesting adventure!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, DAMAGE and DANGER!
@mvkexplores58778 жыл бұрын
Almost as fun as pain and pleasure?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, no way!
@kapurtakisexotics50567 жыл бұрын
This is some great content. Keep it up!
@bkxc7 жыл бұрын
😁👍
@clarkbigatel53778 жыл бұрын
How tall is Jonathan and what size is his yeti'a frame?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
No idea, but he may have said it in his bike check video on my channel or the one he did on his channel.
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Hey Clark! I'm 5'11" and ride a Medium Yeti ASRc. A viewer mentioned he thought my frame was too small, but I intentionally picked the Medium and made adjustments elsewhere to accommodate for the slightly smaller than usual (but not smaller than recommended) frame. I went into detail in that comment below, so check that out of the bike check video for more info 👍🏻
@thewalrusmaster2.0838 жыл бұрын
What is the Yeti gear video called Brian
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Coming out Wednesday
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
It's out Walrus! :)
@willmcelroy81768 жыл бұрын
What bike were u on?
@willmcelroy81768 жыл бұрын
Nevermind that was the YT Capra
@cyclingwithkiwi39568 жыл бұрын
good fun
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@kitten-inside8 жыл бұрын
Next time just go straight down. No corners -- no problems with braking in corners.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Haha, sure thing!
@dudewheresmybeer7 жыл бұрын
Nice ride dude. I really hope you got the chance to ride Scrub Brush and Bobsled, they are infinitely more fun than Bacon Strip and Crispy Bacon which are shown in the video (imo). Regardless, looks like you had a really fun day on peavine. Did Zink and his boys hook up the Capra?
@bkxc7 жыл бұрын
I'll have to do that next time! Anyone can demo a YT!
@ultramarine99228 жыл бұрын
which one you like better? This YT or your bronsoncc?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Bronson
@skory878 жыл бұрын
Rockshox rs1? Is it xc bike?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yep
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Yes sir!
@willkirschke58658 жыл бұрын
Gnarly XC rider!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah!
@JonathanLee78 жыл бұрын
Thanks Will 👍🏻
@AmadeColenbrander8 жыл бұрын
Keep making videos
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Sure thing!
@rustnevrsleeps7 жыл бұрын
sup brian, aaron here. some suggestions needed if you have the time. want to take a trip, at least two weeks In length give or take. camping from full size truck, mtb main, main priority. going pretty light except for good grub and beer. taking a fairly sturdy hardtail 29er, only thing stock is the cannondale frame. taken to Colorado and it held up fine. would be leaving from southeast texas, thinking of going straight to moabish area, and coming back thru Colorado and work my way back home. hitting several spots in Colorado and around moab with drive time, any suggestions on a worthy roadtrip plan? ride pretty well, but not looking to go pro. would like cooler camp friendly zones with possible burger and beer options at the end of the day. plus might take a smaller kayak so water is cool too. anyway, thanks thanks for the vids, hope you find a moment for some suggestions. have tools and above average bike knowledge. not a tech by any means.
@michivloggt2998 жыл бұрын
So what do you think about the capra?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Made a whole other video about it, check out my channel!
@rond19626 жыл бұрын
Well that's not too intimidating... show up for the ride w/ a guy all decked out in his Yeti factory gear and rocking that carbon fiber Yeti rocket ship... nice...
@bkxc6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@skibikeride20008 жыл бұрын
Ant chance you'll get an opportunity to ride an evil insurgent or wreckoning? I'd love to see what you think of those
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'd like to, just a matter of running into one!
@brandonbehnky70228 жыл бұрын
When are you coming to aliso?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Eventually! No plans yet
@lagwall Жыл бұрын
The camera just doesn't catch hoe interesting it is to ride high desert trails like that
@maybeerainmaybeesnow Жыл бұрын
Flowy...... :)
@OfficialSwayshawty8 жыл бұрын
What is that squeaking sound - Your Brakes??
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yup
@grantbergman85997 жыл бұрын
I live there!
@bkxc7 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@michaeltwersky41416 жыл бұрын
Is it weird I know exactly were they were
@asafseri-levy43158 жыл бұрын
are those yt capara?
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yep, it's a YT Capra. I did a video about it last week.
@rivalsports62765 жыл бұрын
When did you ride? I’ve lived in Reno my whole life and the weather has never been that good.
@ArcticPride18 жыл бұрын
7:08 better call Kenny Loggins!
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Yeah buddy! Hahaha
@Mr_RichardH8 жыл бұрын
So much buff trail.... Hmmmmmmm.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
A little too tame?
@Mr_RichardH8 жыл бұрын
BKXC No, not at all. It's great to have a mix of trail on your channel. Peavine may not be too technical, but it looks like a lot of fun!
@Mr_RichardH8 жыл бұрын
BKXC Think of that 'Hmmmmmmmmmm' as a Homer Simpson + bacon kind of sound...
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, "Mmmmmmmm"
@rdevil258 жыл бұрын
Yeti Bikes are very expensive stuff.
@bkxc8 жыл бұрын
Everything on this channel is very expensive stuff!