Wood Elf Realms One Year After The Release of Warhammer The Old World

[@treydudley7966]

If I could make one change to ToW I would adjust dispels on vortexes to be within range of the vortex and not within range of the caster. Even as a wood elf player, “pillar of fire and run away” is one of the most aggravating ways to play the game.

[@julienb4036]

Please make more wood elf battle reports! Make waywatchers great! You can do it Steve

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@julienb4036 more Wood elf batreps I can do. But making Waywatchers good… damn dude I can’t preform miracles!

[@bryanquick3349]

@@MountainMiniatures they seem ideal for bringing arcane bodkins if you need the armor pen, since they really don't miss under most circumstances. I keep trying to bring mine, but they get crowded out in all but the largest games in favor of other units :(

[@plazma5343]

​@@bryanquick3349yeah, they are just to inneficient for the pricetag :( i think its just a points issue, that and the waywatcher tax.

[@cp1cupcake]

Aside from being an old thing in the army, I think the Wildwood Rangers are designed to fight stuff like ogres. The T4 monstrous infantry and cavalry which has fear. Which, aside from 1 list, means that its only good against 1-2 things per army.

[@corsariosandrorect5238]

Exactly, the problem is that most of units that cause fear o terror in players lists are dragons or other big monsters, no R4, fear units. And versus dragons no infantiry units is special good.

[@mamabison5531]

I love hearing Steve refer to his unnamed "opponent" when we all know it's Luka

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@mamabison5531 I play a lot off camera these days

[@DerOrk]

KInda off-topic mayhaps, but the paintjob on your treemen is freaking excellent. Good job to whoever did those.

[@ValisRazele]

I actually field Rangers and War Hawk Riders in almost every game and they've been all-stars. Interesting to see others views on them.

[@jlae111]

Rangers are my main infantry block with my BSB in them. They've never let me down and always get work done. Immune to psychology is a major boon when there are so many units with Fire and Flee

[@iskog.831]

Nice, concise vidya, but you forgor the wardancers! 😭

[@Anvilarm07]

Beautifully painted army.

[@anderplays6460]

the highest point i had while playing against wood elves as bretonnia was my baron being stuck in mortal combat with a treeman ancient for most of the battle while my block of men-at-arms bravely marched under a rain of arrows to engage several small units of glade guards in close combat , breaking them one after the other anbd securing my victory

[@franciscoaguilera3619]

I like the idea of making the tree singing spell more difficult to be dispelled. I like to see wood elves playing that way, creating forest for cover and as a tool to ambush. Seeing a wood elf army with pillars of fire as a primary tool is so out of character, that it makes me not play them

[@killroy8976]

Excited for the rereview of Dwarfs!

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

It's too bad Waywatchers are so pricy for what they do as they are one of the best sculps in the army. I wish they got some unique arrows, maybe something crazy like some that works like a stone thrower or a bolt thrower. Some kind "the get the sniper rule on a hitt roll of 6" would feel fitting as well

[@gustavgrime]

I use them as Deepwood scouts

[@wensier1413]

Please do that with Dark Elves! Great job Steve! ❤

[@ryanbarry5320]

Glade riders seem like a lot of points for naked cavalry elves.

[@gustavgrime]

They are one of the best core choices in the entire game

[@ryanbarry5320]

@ don’t they die very easily to basically anything?

[@gustavgrime]

@@ryanbarry5320 no with Reserve Move ;)

[@konstantineKein]

Dark elves please

[@arandomoshawott6902]

Hopefully you know a way to make Dwarf Slayers Army work Steve 🙏, great content as always 👍

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@arandomoshawott6902 oh man. Your not gonna like the Dwarf vid then lol

[@plazma5343]

Im sorry, but I can't hear you from atop my swag giant murderous hawky ! Man, they suck, but ill play them in every list just because they are that cool for me. We all have a unit or two like that :) Great vidéo as per usual mate !

[@ryanbarry5320]

Also, I agree about the tree spirits. I hate what they did to them in the last edition of fantasy. Hopefully they will return to their original strengths… dryads S/T 4 taking S/T 5 and Treeman ST 6.

[@jacklyons2088]

I think we will see new dryad models for the wood elves release

[@ryanbarry5320]

@@jacklyons2088 the kit actually wasn’t too bad for its time. Plus, it provided lots of extra bits to do converting work and playing around with.

[@jacklyons2088]

@@ryanbarry5320 the kit was one of the better ones, I'm basing my guess on the lack of photos of them in either of the books

[@mangohub3252]

Really hard to pick between wood elves and beastmen for me

[@MungusMctavish]

Loving these Steve, keep them up.

[@ryanbarry5320]

Also remains in place spells should be dispelled on the value that they were at so if you cast three with a 16, it should be dispelled with a 16

[@andrew1230981]

Woo excited to these, but orks and goblins are a favourite

[@Meteorcity_Hunters]

Please do warriors of chaos and bretonnia as well!! :). I love these series. It helps with casuals with not much game time.

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@Meteorcity_Hunters already recorded, they be up soon

[@jacawandersmok9043]

greate vidoe; also nice to see all the units ;] modles

[@lestrike2707]

Do Dark Elves!

[@Brackenberriespvp]

Good video. Gave you a like.

[@gemmell761]

Wild riders OP - called it

[@vladimirpalik6697]

Maybe not OP but man, i have seen them shifting some heavy hitters. I like them a lot.

[@vladimirpalik6697]

Maybe treesinging should work til the start of your next turn.

[@johnontto3863]

interesting to see your TK review you don't play them alot on your channel

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@johnontto3863 I haven’t recorded that one yet. And I’m Not sure I should. I don’t have the experience with the TK.

[@johnontto3863]

@MountainMiniatures that's a fair assement... I've seen Luka play them more than you unless he wants to do the review.. I'd do the review for you but its your channel... I'm definitely glad I became a member of this channel

[@jacawandersmok9043]

4:00 yes that starage rule; i never saw it that coming; i like only saw if you birng X you can bring 1 unit in like more coomon category so insted of rere in special or insted of special in core; that need to be pach out; that rule no sens;

[@josephjustice4553]

Thank you for the thoughtful review. Question for you. I get why you say take poison across the board, but if you knew you were up against Bretonnia or any T3 enemy with great armor would you change it to Bodkins?

[@bergandthelucksea7336]

I’ve run the math on this (which might not be perfect) but what I did was create three tables that calculated hagbane vs arcane when rolling to hit on a 3+, 4+ or 5+ against toughness 2,3,4,5 with a 2+ through to no armour save. What I found was that across those three different “to hit” values, Hagbane is more effective overall than arcane against T4 or T5. Arcane is overall more effective versus T2 and T3, especially when rolling to hit on a 3+ but if this climbs to 5+ the gains reduce. From having thought about this a fair bit, I think the key questions you need to ask yourself when making your choice of arrow is what am I going to shoot at, and am I going to be moving and shooting? The primary use of my archers is for removing war machines and high toughness monsters with a low save, so hagbane is my default. Their secondary use is removal of high speed chaff. The two instances where I think I’d consider arcane would be if I was sure I’d be facing lots of dwarf players ata tournament . They’re slow so I wouldn’t need to move my archers as often and they’re heavily armoured across the board. But even then, they have reasonable war machines, and taking a plague of rust on a sisters unit with archers taking hagbane could still be more effective, especially with the limited mobility of dwarf dispelling. Bretonia are the other army consideration, but as they’ve got such good mobility and I’d likely need to be moving a lot, I’d still likely take hagbane.

[@RolandoRatas]

I reckon end of Jan 2025 we gate a new Wood Elf Arcane Journal to redress the balance issues as they are a bit OP by all accounts. Would be cool if you could do a Vampire Counts end of year review, I know they're legacy etc but just look at their history in Warhammer ... they deserve something..

[@bergandthelucksea7336]

I don’t think that Tree Singing would be too strong if the core rules changed so that RIP spells had to be dispelled by beating the casting value. I think it’s an oversight of gw but I’d have to look at the other factions RIP spells to see if it would affect them similarly. From memory there is only one other faction that is affected by this core rule, and that is the Bretonnia signature ward save spell I think.

[@alexpoobum]

great content

[@jacawandersmok9043]

7:39 o yes; have liek got 36 painted and anoder 36 unpainted ;] from seconda hadn so like 70+ models to rebase or find like conventer ...

[@will258]

How would you build a Wood Elf list for a new player? My wife likes the aesthetic, but the way they seem to have to play the game is ... convoluted.

[@maxsutton2020]

Are you sure you'll make a High Elf one? I mean: you are known to hate them... :P

[@toddjohnson4489]

So glad they faq sisters of thorn so they cant choose spell any more its random now

[@jacawandersmok9043]

me from WFRP muve to TWW still sad cant use dragon as independ monster ;[ and not even cant put wizard on it;[ but H or dark elfs or even chaos warios can put wizard on dargon ;[

[@peisenxu952]

Hope we get one for Ogres. Eat meat. Life good.

[@jacklyons2088]

gotta say disappointed with the rules for wood elves, eternal guard, waywatchers, wardancers 3 of my favourite units not really usable as far as i can see, compared to 8th edition when all 3 units were much better, feels like this army has been designed to play like an AoS army not an old world army

[@michasowa3310]

I really don't like Wood Elves in TOW. It is a shame that if you want to play them and have good results it is just an archer spam/dragon/sisters of the thorn. The internal balance in their roster is absolutely horrible, probably one of the worst in all of the TOW. Looking forward to the AJ to play a forest spirit army or just some new options.

[@HexedCorpse]

How are you using the evasive rule when it comes to using it to move out of LOS or range? Been having trouble understanding it as RAW I can’t see any reason why it would stop someone shooting at you as LOS and range are checked before evasive and nothing tells you to recheck them after the evasive move. Would love to know your thoughts.