Move over Toyota Sienna! This NEW Hybrid Minivan will be AMAZING!

[@rightlanehog3151]

Kirk, Some expanded hybrid minivan competition might just motivate Toyota to reduce those Sienna waiting lists.🤨

[@trap_autostudio]

Toyota use PSD system (power split Device), it also called as e-CVT. Anyway, Toyota has two motors, one charge and the other for power. At the middle there is PSD, & that’s the Toyota’s key tech for hybrid. PSD is kind of planetary gear, it plays the role of a transmission while forming a gear ratio. In the case of Hyundai 1.6, the stater, engine, and clutch rotor work (Toyota has these 3 roles as PSD). A few years ago, before 1.6 announced,Most of their HEV was terrible. Because technically, it is too hard to math right rear using clutch while driving. As long as there is a PSD, there is no choking when the engine is driven, and it shows perfect regenerative braking. And I am pretty sure about that PSD make current Toyota hybrid technology. But that is same as 20 years ago. Back in to hyundai, as they didn’t want to give royalty to mighty Toyota, they used past customer as beta tester. Specially for 1st optima and YF’s hybrid was shit…. I also own that too, so I know how it works terribly. But who is Hyundai ?, (BETA TEST WITH CUSTOMER FOR 10 YEARS). And then now on 1.6, there is no problem. There is no sense of alienation when the engine activate again. Toyota hev’s main problem is engine sound. It is too loud. (Listen of Toyota Etkinson cycle engine), these are…… shit. But 1.6, perfect. Of course, I know, Carnival can’t catch Sienna. Even this car can’t be the competitors.Toyota’s 4WD system are crazy. But at least under sorento grade (not santafe), 1.6 works perfectly.

[@CumBrianFries]

That's a cool bit of info, but it's "royalty" not "loyalty".

[@trap_autostudio]

@@CumBrianFries opps mistake thanks 😊

[@joecrash1232]

Also point out that most Hyundai and Kia hybrid systems are different than Toyota traditional e-CVT since most Korean hybrid are parallel hybrid since it has traditional transmission while the e-CVT hybrids are parallel-series hybrid system. Of course any kind of hybrid system have pros and cons. It just depends by what priority automakers aim for.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@joecrash1232Car Care Nut broke down the pros and cons, and the Toyota Hybrid system was built to be easier to fix and maintain.

[@joecrash1232]

@@mrgurulittle7000Yeah, I saw those videos too. No doubt, I fully agree with that.

[@aryehrosenthal2138]

Kirk thanks so much for sharing this review waiting to see what Honda plans on their Odyssey Minivan for the future

[@Blank00]

One thing Toyota better bring back for the refreshed Sienna is the removability of the 2nd row. But the Sienna has a better dashboard though since Kia dashboards have bad ergonomics nowadays

[@jonathanb3255]

If this had awd available, it would be a serious contender

[@Hallowsaw]

Not really because i bet it would not have competative mpg.

[@HailCaesar-lm4bq]

Toyota HiAce diesel is the mega family mover / truck in Asia . Ez driver too

[@austinc5103]

I’d love to see the Pacifica level of stow-n-go in the 2nd row. The stow-n-go feature in the Pacifica's 2nd row is definitely a game changer when it comes to convenience and flexibility. Although the Sienna's 2nd row is bolted down and unable to be removed (it IS possible), at least it's still possible to remove the seats altogether at ease in the Carnival if needed. But I agree, it can be a hassle to remove and store them somewhere.

[@Moshe_Dayan44]

The Sienna's hybrid battery is right under the middle row seats. That's why you can't have stow and go seats there. Even the Pacifica hybrid doesn't have stow and go seats for that reason. But I agree that, at the very least, the seats should be removeable.

[@RK-nr8qf]

What realistically needs to be discussed is the differences in reliability,dependability and longevity.

[@gregkramer5588]

Pretty much have to go to JD power for that.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@gregkramer5588No, Consumer Reports.

[@maga4813]

@@mrgurulittle7000 bought by toyota. No thanks.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@maga4813Congrats for posting the most arrogant comment of the year. Fuss and cry about CR absolutely smearing Kia and Hyundai. What are you gonna do about it?

[@maga4813]

@@mrgurulittle7000 You're really an ED. Only fanboys such as yourself would believe a source that puts BMW and MINI 3rd place for reliability according to CR. Keep getting angry kid.

[@savchuktaras]

Obviously way way looking than Siena but without all wheel drive option it’s not even on the list in northern states for a lot of people.

[@maga4813]

OFC. KIA always have something up their sleeves when it comes to competition.

[@arhamkhakwani5851]

It had me very interested, and would have been the top of my list in the minivan segment; until he said lack of AWD. It’s a must for me as a Canadian, however, this will definitely give everyone, especially Honda and Chrysler a run for their money. The Sienna, yes, in some cases down south where AWD isn’t needed, but for the northern areas, I still would choose a Sienna.

[@maga4813]

@@mrgurulittle7000 *yawn* you're still jealous of KIA mrslowbus? Man you have negativitiy all over you, you know that troll.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Too bad whatever’s up their sleeve isn’t as successful as the competition.

[@maga4813]

@@mrgurulittle7000 that's a jealous comment. Man when are you going to admit that you're jealous and broke for kia?

[@will.davlin]

We need a 170 inch wagon , mirage sized wagon

[@StopWhatYerDoing]

Any new, affordable wagon would be welcomed! The new Toyota Crown Signia looks nice, but it'll be expensive and is disguising itself as an SUV, just like the Outback. I'm all for new wagons, but a proper and affordable one in the market would be amazing.

[@TheSkyline5467]

Kirk, when I saw the thumbnail i was wondering how you could be so excited about a minivan. Then i remembered youre basically the Philip Rivers of automotive review. 😊

[@lwalk8716]

The refreshed Carnival looks amazing. Reminds me of the forthcoming EV9. Kia is stepping up in a big way, hopefully they will shake the stigma of reliability and thefts

[@tocreatee5736]

it not about un-reliability and thefts, its how the KIA corporate dealt with it. they kept blaming customers until they got sued.

[@ytj22]

They won't

[@colingoshorn836]

“Im going to miss the wood” I hope my ex feels the same way

[@JT-fq2bl]

That 1.6t hybrid for the Carnival is only for this generation before it get replaced by the 2.5t hybrid that's also slated for the next generation Palisade/Telluride.

[@JT-fq2bl]

@@Brian_Eugene_Lee Those diesel engines are in their last generation, and they too will be phased out by the upcoming hybrid powertrains.

[@chewie94116]

I want the KIA Carnival with the VIP seating

[@arhamkhakwani5851]

This really had me interested in this new hybrid system for the Carnival, until you said FWD only. In Canada, AWD is essentially a must, with maybe some minor minor exceptions. Too bad it won’t come in AWD.

[@leea3531]

Kia or Hyundai can not make a reliable hybrid vehicle 🚗.

[@maga4813]

Yeah say that to 1.2m recalls from toyota last week. LOL

[@Kered-9]

They choose to ignore those kinds of things....@@maga4813

[@Eugen-E]

​​@@maga4813 Hey hyundai/kia fangirl, look at the last reliability survey from Consumer Reports and check where ia toyota and where is kia/hyundai! Recalls don't mean lack of reliability. All companies have recalls, including kia/hyundai which by the way are worse.

[@justinking8220]

​@@maga4813 Dude it's for a faulty sensor not like the vehicle is catching on fire😂

[@maga4813]

@@justinking8220 2.2m recalls for fire from toyota and yet you still ignore the problem?? You fanboys are seriously triggered asf lmao

[@gordonnguyen7160]

I hope they bring the sienna back to Japan because they have a better built quality

[@toronado455]

This is great news. PHEV would be amazing, though I'd prefer a Toyota PHEV. Hopefully, there will be a KIA PHEV minivan to compete because that might mean shorter waits for the Toyota! I would also prefer a smaller sized minivan, but that's expecting too much.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Wow, interior hasn’t changed much.

[@maga4813]

This comment is nothing but jealously for KIA.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@maga4813I’m so jealous for an interior that hasn’t changed much.🤣You Kia trolls are dumb as fuck.

[@maga4813]

@@mrgurulittle7000 The interior changed you clown. Mrslowbus having trouble with his schizo eyes. LMAO

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@maga4813 Sure. I’m “jealous” for an outdated interior. I’m starting to understand the compromises Kia buyers go through😁

[@userb83852]

This means Telluride will have hybrid power train soon?! Yes!!!!

[@alwaysiyi272]

Finally the sienna has some actual competition. The sienna is still the only hybrid that offers AWD so that alone is an incentive for people to pick it over the rest, you get AWD, while being slightly more efficient. I like Hyundai’s hybrid system but the fact that they use a real transmission means that even in EV mode the car still shifts and to me that feels very weird and is not as smooth as the hybrid system on Toyota’s, but must’ve they’ve updated it for the Carnival

[@KirkKreifels]

Pacifica has AWD iirc

[@1976axerhand]

If you Polish a turd it's still a turd.xd

[@damilolaakanni]

​@@KirkKreifelsit's not available with the hybrid though.

[@jeretso]

Small engine turbo may not be reliable especially with a full load. New LED lights look hot but I'll stick with the Sienna reliability.

[@ciello___8307]

It works fine on their other suv hybrids…

[@JesusisLOVEJohn-]

In my opinion reliability beats almost any other feature besides safety.

[@ciello___8307]

These hyundai kias arent exactly unreliable. Toyota cant just coast on “reliability” anymore. Thankfully their product itself is good but the koreans make good stuff now too

[@JesusisLOVEJohn-]

@@ciello___8307 Kias and Hyundai's wont last 300,000+ miles with original engine and transmission. Toyotas will, provided you live in non-snowing climate were they don't salt the roads because salt will destroy any car. Thats according to Scotty Kilmer who works on all sorts of cars and has been working on cars for 50+ years. Have a wonderful day!!!!

[@tails300]

Sorry but I’m not touching any electrified vehicles from Hyundai or Kia.

[@edwardgh57]

Phev minivan please! Our frequent LA to SF or Oregon and driving 700 -1400 miles in our RAV4 prime so far is excellent phev-mpg .

[@Iccdoc]

How about mpg instead of km/liter?

[@jsfbay1]

Could it get AWD with a rear electric motor? I recall that the ICE version is FWD only.

[@Eugen-E]

What kind of "move over toyota" when Kia/Hyundai doesn't have a good hybrid system ? ...BS. kia/hyundai hybrid system based on that 1.6 turbocharged engine is not very efficient and it's not a clean sheet design hybrid system. It's a simple parallel hybrid system like those systems used by germans. It's almost useless because you won't get the Sienna's MPGs. And it doesn't use DCT, it uses an automatic. I've been able to see a head-to-head comparison in Kiev, Ukraine, between a RAV4 hybrid and a Tucson Hybrid (European Tucson which is shorter). After 2h driving in Kiev the RAV4 had like 6.5L/100km (36 US MPG) and the Tucson had 7.5L/100km (31.3 US MPG). After that they tested the cars outside the city and the RAV4 had 5.2L/100km (45 US MPG) but Tucson had 6.2L/100km (37.9 US MPG). The difference is huge.

[@maga4813]

ok kid. Lay off the weed now.

[@Eugen-E]

@@maga4813 Do you have some strong counterarguments or you just type comments out of boredom? Or maybe you are a kia/hyundai fangirl ?

[@trap_autostudio]

Toyota use PSD system (power split Device), it also called as e-CVT. Anyway, Toyota has two motors, one charge and the other for power. At the middle there is PSD, & that’s the Toyota’s key tech for hybrid. PSD is kind of planetary gear, it plays the role of a transmission while forming a gear ratio. In the case of Hyundai 1.6, the stater, engine, and clutch rotor work (Toyota has these 3 roles as PSD). A few years ago, before 1.6 announced,Most of their HEV was terrible. Because technically, it is too hard to match right gear using clutch while driving. As long as there is a PSD, there is no choking when the engine is driven, and it shows perfect regenerative braking. And I am pretty sure about that PSD make current Toyota hybrid technology. But that is same as 20 years ago. Back in to hyundai, as they didn’t want to give loyalty to mighty Toyota, they used past customer as beta tester. Specially for 1st optima and YF’s hybrid was shit…. I also own that too, so I know how it works terribly. But who is Hyundai ?, (BETA TEST WITH CUSTOMER FOR 10 YEARS). And then now on 1.6, there is no problem. There is no sense of alienation when the engine activate again. Toyota hev’s main problem is engine sound. It is too loud. (Listen of Toyota Etkinson cycle engine), these are…… shit. But 1.6, perfect. Of course, I know, Carnival can’t catch Sienna. Even this car can’t be the competitors.Toyota’s 4WD system are crazy. But at least under sorento grade (not santafe), 1.6 works perfectly.

[@Eugen-E]

@@trap_autostudio All engines are loud when you put the throttle down )) Atkinson-cycle is shit when you know nothing about cars. And no, toyota hybrid system is not 20 years old. The difference between all 4-5 generations is huge.

[@trap_autostudio]

@@Eugen-EI work in car industry for 20 years. Toyota hybrid engine is specially more loud. Even in Alphade, too much engine noise comes in. Did you even read what I wrote for you ? There is no big differences between 20 years ago and now. Yes, Toyota is still leading HEV industry. But now there is not much tech gap with others. They just invent new perfect 4WD system and add there.

[@jpdoc5722]

they’re all nice. Just put Toyota Hybrid engines on them 👍

[@krzysztofcwik5347]

Make it worldwide car, also for EU !! Maybe Toyota will make next gen Sienna - if made in Japan also shipped to EU as Hybrid and Phev.

[@bngr_bngr]

Hopefully the new minivan will be safe for second row passengers.

[@WildWildDev]

Witch is better Kia carnival or Toyota Sienna

[@lav1daloca]

I wouldnt touch a hybrid unless its a Toyota

[@przemekinkanada4936]

So u are compairing a phev to hev... not the same car segment... sure they are both vans but totally diffrent. Phev ride on green plates, hev regular plates, not sure how hev oprate but phev ride when selected on EV only until they run out of charge or in a combines hybrid mode, so for small trips you potentially are only using electricity especially if there sre free charging station in your area at comunity centre's and malls. The upside for phev is much better then a hev if you can afford the price tag...

[@donowens6527]

why cant we get a boxy van?

[@willh.5741]

It looks like the Kia EV9 front end

[@wallbangerzsports]

Sedona was a much better name

[@ciello___8307]

I did not like how the regular carnival drove (the transmission was weird, jerky). So this hybrid sounds appealing to me. I much prefer how the koreans do hybrids/EVs compared to their ICE only models

[@dapetik]

Toyota needs another minivan that is actually MINI. The sienna is huge! I don't want a huge van...

[@gabrielrogers2971]

It looks like a Cadillac xt4

[@vibhorvashishtha6208]

AWD ??

[@RChyshkevych]

I wish it had AWD, that would have made it perfect

[@LeoTheShortGuy]

Nice

[@MrMasatepe54]

Don’t compare Toyotas quality evolución and reliability with shitty things that will break your soul. Period. Look at proven piece on mind before good looking front grill for God’s Sake

[@KingTheRat]

I love Toyotas (we owned 7 Toyotas and Lexuses in the last 20 years), but this past year in an attempt to buy a Sienna, I had to deal with so much B.S. from dealerships. Every dealership was trying to charge a $3000-$6000 markup for the Sienna and then on top, they want to charge you some other additional B.S. warranty. Not to mention the long wait times because Toyota decided to under-produce the Sienna in favor of the Grand Highlander. That gave me a very sour taste in the mouth. So we went to Kia last month and bought a Carnival with no markups. Loving the Carnival so far. The interior is nicer and more plush compared to the Sienna. Working with Toyota dealerships is definitely the worst part of the Toyota ownership experience. I hope corporate Toyota fixes it.

[@tonybologna2019]

Toyota is #1

[@Blank00]

@@KingTheRatdealership behavior is beyond the control of any carmaker because dealerships are owned by dealership companies, not carmakers

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Toyota rules and Kia are bought by fools.😂I would buy a Chrysler Pacifica before I even consider a Kia.

[@Youtuberkt]

Kia is better than Honda

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Why do Kias just get uglier? It doesn’t even look like a proper minivan. And I bet the Chrysler has better build quality. NoKia for me.

[@maga4813]

LMAO better build quality from chrysler? Yeah you are definitely trolling while those jealously stench is coming out of your pours of your skin being better than some boring toyota. I see why you chose your avi color as green = jealously. SMH keep exposing yourself kid.

[@ledebuhr1]

Kirk, I think it will be hard for the Honda Odyssey to compete if it is not hybridized. It's should be all new for 2025.

[@fangzhenyuinca]

Holy fk how many ads does this video have

[@HumbleBearcat]

That's a beautiful mini van from Kia. I guess they copied the styling from Cadillac.

[@cchan9186]

Sorry but that thing is hideous IMO.

[@avdp9095]

Kia is far far more competitive with new cars, different motor optins, bev's, and has far better marketing than Toyota and Lexus. Every Kia, Hyundai, almost every new car from Kia and Hyundaibis more modern, and as reliable as Toyota. Kia is lightyears ahead with Bev's. I think it was a very good move from Toyota to send Toyoda away.....although very late, not to late.

[@maga4813]

FACTS. Hyundai and KIA are the ones that make toyota to be more competitive

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Toyodasan brought us GR. WTF are you talking about?

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@maga4813You talking the crappy brand that just now decided to put a hybrid in a minivan? SOMETHING TOYOTA HAS BEEN DOING FOR DECADES. Yeah right, Kia is leading the automotive game in that those dumb fuck engineers finally (in fucking 2024!) stuck a fucking hybrid system in their fucking ugly van.

[@maga4813]

@@mrgurulittle7000 toyota offer a hybrid model for sienna in 2021. That's 3 years after KIA comes with a hybrid option in the carnival. Why are you so triggered and jealous over a KIA that destroys toyota?

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@maga4813Toyota has been offering hybrid Siennas for years. And before that was the Estimate hybrid since 2001. Kia’s first hybrid Carnival won’t arrive till 2025. You’re another level of StUpId.

[@nspokey]

Will Hyundai make a Minivan is the United States

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@Brian_Eugene_LeeI hope not. Hyundai is a crappy brand. Worse than Mitsubishi, and Hyundai used to badge Mitsubishi’s.🤣

[@maga4813]

@@mrgurulittle7000 matter of fact, they should so they can keep destroying toyota.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@Brian_Eugene_LeeHyundai doesn’t deserve a first chance.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@Brian_Eugene_LeeHyundai break more often that Mitsubishi so I’m quite certain it’s the one.

[@escheidl]

I love to see competition. It get's the Stealerships off their high horse and forces them to get competitive. Having said that, the hybrid system in the Toyota is far superior. The Hyundai uses a transmission as do the new Honda hybrids which just adds unnecessary complexity and future repairs down the road. This is done mainly because people don't like that their hybrids don't row through the gears as they accelerate. So they have started putting transmissions in them to "improve the driving experience." People just have to get over that. Airplanes don't shift. Boats don't shift. Jet Skis don't shift. Only land vehicles have been plagued with the need to shift and have clutches and torque converters due to the limitations of the internal combustion engine with it's limited rpm range and inability to start moving a vehicle from a static stop without a release point (clutch, torque converter, etc.) Toyota's hybrid system solves all that and does so without the need of a conventional transmission or clutches. Thus fewer parts, less wear and tear, and more reliability down the road. And really, when was the last time you left the tarmac in a jet airplane, pinned to your seat as it smoothly moved you up to speed and altitude and said to yourself, "Oh, that would have been so much better if I could have only heard and felt it rowing through the gears." People have just got to get over it. Shiftless cars are the future. And by the way Kirk. I agree with you about the lack of wood trim in cars today. I miss the beautiful deep rich woods they used to put in cars like the Jaguars of the 60's. It doesn't have to be real, just look the same. Thanks for another great report.

[@tails300]

Hondas hybrids also use an eCVT but it functions differently than Toyotas version. Toyota also has a turbo hybrid system (hybrid Maxx), like Hyundai but they use a bigger, stronger engine and beefier electric motors.

[@escheidl]

@@tails300 Yes you're right. Honda does have a eCVT and as you say it functions differently than Toyota's. Honda's system has two different clutches, High and low, as well as solenoids and valve bodies that function similarly to a regular automatic transmission. The high and low clutches also give it a shift point that people can't seem to get over. These are all wear items that will eventually have to be replaced down the road. Toyota's "proper" hybrid system doesn't have any of these and will last the life of the car (500k+) if properly maintained. Which involves a simple drain and fill every 60-90k miles. A service similar to a manual transmission or differential. The new Hybrid Max drivetrains do indeed have transmissions. Those hybrid powerplants are designed for different high performance purposes and not for economy. The ones in the trucks are used for off road and towing capability, and the one in the Crown is simply for performance. If I were to buy a Crown, I would get the one with the "proper" (as I call it) 2.5l hybrid similar to the system used in the Camry, Rav4, Sienna, and Highlander. As well as the smaller versions in the Corolla's and Prius'. I much prefer fuel economy, longevity, and simplicity, to high performance, complexity, and maintenance costs.

[@user-rg1lx8yt6g]

I really dislike how everyone and auto manufacturers are heading towards the “sleek mean fast” design it’s like a combination of “futuristic razor blade” just how it sounds. It’s boring really you mean to me your 2024 Honda accord with that “mean stance” and it’s 1.5L engine and cvt is menacing? I would gladly take an elegant swift style and design over these “bold” edge cut mean looking cars.