Movie Review Dr. Strange Was Worse Than Shang Chi

[@Timothy]

WELL GUESS WHAT! I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT FUN FILLED TIME!! THE SCENE GOING THROUGH UNIVERSES WAS BEAUTIIIFULLLL! THE FAN SERVICE WAS SUPER SATISFYING!!! THE ZOMBIE SCENE WAS HILARIOUS AND ELIZABETH OLSEN KILLED IT!!! IM HERE FOR EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH DAVID!!!

[@Mojomohmoh980]

Facts, thank you

[@Photik]

Love you Tim.

[@manuristic]

The fact that i heard your voice reading this 😂😂😂

[@emanuelgonzalez7213]

Thank you !

[@AmbitiousAnt410]

FACTS! David trippin

[@iamthedeerman]

I work at a VFX studio as a compositing artist, and yes, CGI is difficult and takes a lot of time and resources. It's constant problem solving not just with creative direction to match the clients' requests, but also with the technical aspects. The reason why you have so many departments doing specific things (i.e a department for fur/hair, another for FX like water etc) is because they are all difficult and take a LOT of specific practice and knowledge. Bringing all the different facets of CGI together (modeling, FX, texturing, integrating with the raw footage etc) is no easy feat, and keep in mind you often have multiple studios working together on one film, so communication is super important. Just my random 2 cents :)

[@KillaBassReactorEx]

My biggest gripe with film was Baron Mordo, they ended the first Dr. Strange with Mordo on a war path yet nothing came of it. Why have storylines left open ended and not use them

[@bradcha5413]

to kinda correct Ed on the first dr strange movie with Tilda Swinton's casting, they wanted to casted an Asian in the role of the ancient one, someone Tibetian specifically, but because a lot of viewership comes from china it would stir up some shit (because ya know china hates Tibet) and they didn't want to cast someone Chinese to upset Tibetans, so I can honestly see the casting director"s predicament, and i think Tilda Swinton killed it in the role

[@Tacit_Tern]

Thank you. Most people, especially in the west, aren't aware of China's censorship.

[@CamberRockerCamber]

That's correct. Marvel was in a tough spot with The Ancient one but honestly, going with a white woman was probably the worst compromise they could've gone with.

[@bradcha5413]

@@CamberRockerCamber yeah I thought that too, but I didn't mind when she did a good job with the role, and they gender bent the character as well, so they were trying to go farrrr as possible lol

[@seeleybooth1489]

I enjoyed it as a cheesy Sam Raimi film because I knew Raimi would make it his style of film. Even if it was to the detriment of the story of the film. But as a MCU and film fan I think it's a bad movie by any story structure standard. Overall I think Phase 4 is all over the map when it comes to tone, style and consistency. Spider-man was the only film so far that had a steady tone/theme from beginning to end for me. I can only hope that everything from phase 4 will be addressed in someway in the future. Because as of right now instead of it being the MCU it's more like the (MCM) Marvel Cinematic Multi-verse where everything every movie act as if independent from each other and none of the films are connecting unless to make a joke. While I'm happy Disney/Marvel is taking chances with different directors with specific stylistic visions, it seem they have way more say on how they want their movie to be rather than trying to make a movie in the MCU.

[@minivancoupe]

These films are becoming fast-food movies, and aren't good as stand alone films anymore but just another regular comic book issue that you can pick up at a comic book store for a dollar lol

[@JJ-el6qx]

That's kinda what I love about them tho for someone who has been following the entire franchise is super fun to see things connect and come together. I don't care if people next to me are confused cuz y'all didn't watch the four films and 5 shows leading up to it 🤷 not everyone has that time or wants to make that investment. I respect that. But for those of us that do, it's a fun experience. So its unfair to call them fastfood movies just cuz u didn't like them, I feel like a lot goes into these films, and while they aren't masterpieces most have good writing and character development, a lot goes into these films

[@CamberRockerCamber]

@@JJ-el6qx right? I didn't understand that complaint about the film. All the films are connected and you should have to watch the previous films and shows to understand what's going on. That was done intentionally by Marvel/Disney.

[@HK47_115]

​@@JJ-el6qx just because they all connect doesn't mean they can't stand on their own two feet still. I've read a few comic issues before without ever reading anything else connected to it and some of those comics stand on their own two feet. sure I will be a little bit confused without the extra context. but I'm not so lost at a point where I can't enjoy that single issue by itself. Now, it's fine that you enjoy it for that. but just because this does happen with comics doesn't mean a single comic issue cannot stand on its own two feet or is that any marvel comic has it stand on its own two feet regardless of what it connects to and regardless if the person has read the other issues. and I'm going to be honest, I don't really read a lot of comics for that reason. but for the few that I did, they stood on their own two feet. I didn't need to catch up on every single little bit of context. I could still understand what was going on for the most part from the context clues from characters. plus, that's just lazy. Disney's trying to appeal to as broad of an audience as possible which is why this film was such a mess. so that's an absolute BS excuse. sure it doesn't matter to you for your personal enjoyment. you didn't buy the ticket for the person next to you. that person bought a ticket for themselves and they have every single right to be disappointed because they have no idea what the fuck is going on. personally I've been keeping up all the way up until this point. I haven't seen every single marvel film, but for the most part I have seen the ones that have build up and ended phase one and two and, I don't even remember what face we ended on we're on phase four right? I don't even give a fuck what phase is what. the film needs to stand on its own two feet first and foremost. obviously if it's a sequel It's supposed to connect to the previous film. and it's supposed to lead up to the next sequel. but that sounds doing is to stand on its own two feet no matter the franchise, no matter its connection. that is an absolute bullshit excuse to say why it's a good film. it's a good film to you my guy, that doesn't make it objectively a good film. And before you say what can be considered an objectively good film when taste is subjective, I'm not talking about taste. I'm talking about storytelling. There is an objective way to do storytelling properly regardless if that person likes it or not. there are multiple ways to tell a story. but you got to do it property in those ways or you just got an absolute mess or something that's confusing or maybe something that's not even really telling the story at all and it's just there to look pretty. that's what some parts, not the movie, but what some parts felt like they were trying to do. just be pretty without actually adding to the story. or to get a fans reaction like the cameos. which I felt like added nothing but making people think Richard reads is officially the dumbest character in the MCU. which is another thing people are tired of. we're tired of them making the genius characters the biggest morons just to move the plot. And with all the professional writers they have, this should be no reason that the genie is is a complete moron. Regardless, you can like it all you want it doesn't make it a good film. and the person next to you had every reason to be disappointed. if this film wasn't trying to Target as broad of an audience as possible it wouldn't have been such a mess that it is and more people would have enjoyed it both fans, fanatics, and people just dropping in. sort of. they could at least enjoy the fun of the story and it's also storytelling for this film without being completely caught up if they added proper context clues. you know, like the comics do?

[@kxngmuzikig2417]

I respect your opinions. I absolutely love this movie. Lizzie was awesome, the death scenes were dope, focused too much on christine, wish America had bigger role, Raimi style did get a little overboard, but I still love it. B+ for me

[@HK47_115]

imagine how much better if they let Raimi do Raimi. I've seen evil Dead in the marvel comics. why didn't they let him go full evil Dead on this shit?

[@kxngmuzikig2417]

@@HK47_115 I feel like it would've been worst if Raimi didn't have a leash. his style is so 80s campy that for Raimi fans it'll be awesome but anybody else wouldn't like it.

[@ninjakp9457]

Great episode David! I feel like with now they have marvel shows, it is going to be tough for regular audiences to catch up and understand which sucks. Now, you have to be on the train in order to understand what the hell it's going on haha. Take care dude!

[@nancychoi4608]

respectfully disagree

[@denimngenie]

Didn't watch Wandavision, but I already knew a few main points of it. Still got frustrated because I sat there thinking if I was supposed to watch it to be sympathetic for Wanda. So when she goes "I'M EVIL NOW (thanks to a cop out of a magic book of evil), 20 MIN PASSED AND I'M SITTING HERE THINKING "THERE'S AN HOUR AND 40 MIN LEFT. WHAT ELSE IS THERE." Also the ashy land reveal showing that she's stronger than Dr Strange doesn't work because it was already implied with your knowledge of Wandavision that she's already stronger because she created 2 kids with her mind. I'll admit that I didn't catch the reveal until I read the comments, but I already thought she was stronger. SHE HYPNOTIZED AN ENTIRE TOWN AND MADE UP TWO KIDS. I just looked up that the magic book is a thing in the comics. I still think it would be more compelling if Wanda made her decisions on her own without getting corrupted by a magic book. Or she can get corrupted in the film instead of off-screen??

[@HK47_115]

if I could like your comment five times I would.

[@vee7968]

I think the reason the Illuminati didn't want to kill Wanda straight away is because it's technically their universe's Wanda body. The Scarlett witch (from our main MCU universe) was possessing her body. She also states that having Chavez's power to travel through the multiverse, would allow her the get sources from other universes to help 'take care' of her kids. So possessing/dream walking wouldn't suffice.

[@tigertank06]

Yes, the Illuminati underestimated her.

[@yourer]

I was so excited for Dr. Strange and couldn't even finish it. I thought it was just me having an off week and not being able to like anything. Strapping myself right in for this podcast lol.

[@HK47_115]

same. I didn't even pay for the movie and I wanted a refund. but I can't get my hour back.

[@bladeandshen6818]

Holy smokes I couldn't believe the title was what I've pretty much been saying. Ever since Dr. Strange 2 came out I told people "I honestly enjoyed Shang Chi more than this." Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Shang Chi even though I didn't find it amazing. However, I should not have like that more than multiverse since Dr. Strange 2 was my most anticipated phase 4 movie and was more of an event. I don't blame the original director for parting ways with Marvel over creative differences after seeing what we got. We are at the point where long time MCU fans can see through typical tropes. Marvel needs to give directors more creative control over these films or else we're just going to see the same things most of the time.

[@shadyjenny]

I'm so glad I wasn't the only one that thought Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness is trash! Great points made guys!

[@jetjet6560]

Hard disagree, I thought Dr Strange was great for dipping it's toes into horror-ish elements! Love the pod tho 😁

[@edparkvp5465]

In another life I would have really liked just doing laundry and taxes with you >>> I love you in every universe.

[@xpengunx]

Can't disagree that the film had some glaring flaws to it (you brought up most of my gripes with the film) but hard disagree that it was worse than Shang Chi

[@buffywasright]

Shang-Chi had 4 things going for it. His sister who was awesome and more likable than anybody in the movie. The bus scene. The scaffolding scene. Tony and Michelle. Everything else was gar-bage.

[@C.Dat.guyoverthere]

I initially wasn’t that big on the first Doctor Strange movie, but after watching Multiverse of Madness it made the first one look great by comparison. I had no issue with anyone’s acting but unfortunately America Chavez didn’t really develop her character and Wanda upstaged Stephen in his own movie. Sure, I appreciated some of the horror aspects and Raimi’s style, but something tells me he didn’t watch Wandavision to at least make the story somewhat consistent. Could’ve used a couple more universes to explore and the post-credits kinda ruined the ending. Though Thor: Love and Thunder wasn’t the better than Ragnarok, it ended up washing the bad taste Doctor Strange left in my mouth. Can’t wait for that review. P.S. The original director for Doctor Strange, Scott Derrickson, left the sequel due to creative differences and instead directed The Black Phone. It’s a much better film in my opinion. Hope you get a chance to watch it.

[@shadowplay626]

In MoM Steven and Wong mention what happened in No Way Home when they where talking to America Chavez but they barely talked about what happened in WandaVision. Also I didn't know that MoM way suppose to be a horror film until this podcast.

[@jorgegomez7675]

I felt like the new Thor movie was a lot of fun but overdid it with the amount of jokes or unnecessary humor during what is suppose to be a somewhat serious part of the story. It really did feel like Thor’s overall character had regressed or just conveniently had new powers that he had never used before and will probably never use again lol. To be fair, Taika Watiti made a Taika Watiti movie and it was fun and I enjoyed the Easter eggs and action. Sam Raimi made a Sam Raimi movie and it was camp when it needed to be camp. It was what I hoped for as a Marvel movie about a sorcerer and a witch but with creepier campy aesthetic. These 2 movies are not top tier Marvel movies for damn sure but they both are a fun watch for fans of both directors differing styles and source material.

[@amaurysthatguy7464]

Ed summed up the main reason why I stopped watching Marvel films in theaters years ago.

[@Banyan3]

It's not a film, but you guys should definitely review The Boys.

[@Dylamos]

This movie comitted a few movie sins here. In some ways it's nice for mega fans who read the comics, books, lore books, and marvel extra's like myself and at least know references to what they're showing us so it was a good watch to see these things on screen. However even then they jumbled it together in a very strange way that did not work well. The biggest movie sin they comitted was not knowing their fanbase, MOST people love the MCU but most of the movie goers barely step outside of that. So the fact that they did this was just not good story telling for the average viewer. It was definitely fun, but when you objectively look at the story presented, it's really bad. Love and thunder was annoying, the memey shit is just soooooo redundant and tiring, natalie portman's character thor is a lot more bad ass but she was just made to act awkward. So if you're a comic fan you will like seeing them in live action but be kind of put off by the meme nature after the 10th time, it's a fun movie like all MCU films are that's for sure but objectively redundant

[@BrandonG0627]

When Dr.Strange stepped on the memory thing. The voice specifically said “view your memories at a discounted price”. If Dr.Strange and America Chavez both stepped on it for free. What was the point of that announcement…

[@manuristic]

yesss the title!! i literally just talked about this with my friend 😂 Multiverse of Madness was trash! & i love Dr. Strange 🥲 Haven’t watched the podcast yet but I’m pretty sure I’ll agree with everything you are about to say hahaha

[@draganbosnjakovic7173]

Multiverse of madness wasn't really madness and I agree the Eternals movie should have never happened.

[@natyki]

I just finished Thor: Love and Thunder and I really loved that one. I might be bias since I adore Chris's Thor, but as a normal movie goer, I just felt it was such a refreshing film since Guardians. It may not be everyone's cup of tea but I thoroughly enjoyed it. It didn't drag and the comedy just hit right. Christian Bale was amazing to the point even I felt he could possibly take the task of being Joker one day, but we'll keep him as Batman forever. Lol. Definitely one of my top favorite Marvel films. Multiverse of Madness was better than I expected but it wasn't my favorite either. I feel like the storytelling for this was flat in a lot of scenes. The actors were great, but the plot and storytelling wasn't the best. I also agree that showing other well-known superheroes to just hype it up and kill them off in the next 10 minutes, it was like, ???. There was some things that were weird and yes, because of Sam Raimi, I thought I WAS watching a horror film. Lol. I think the main thing I was happy about the film is that the multiverse is now known so us possibly seeing other fan faved superheroes is wide open. Anyways, always love hearing your guys' reviews and perspective, especially from a film side. It's great.

[@HK47_115]

I wouldn't keep my hopes up on the multiverse stuff. I mean we were expecting madness into the multiverse. they did go into other multiverse, but not really much madness. at least not to the levels that I was expecting. I would gladly trade in every single Cameo for a better story. and boy did they make Reed Richards the dumbest man alive.

[@hinata3487]

I didn't care for the plot of the movie but I did love the comedy. All the memes they added in there had me dying.

[@itzitachi3778]

Simu is jumping for joy that David thinks he's his movie is better than Dr.strange

[@SaturdayMorninCrafting]

The point of the scene where the reality changes, is that the powerful wizard didn’t even realize that he was in a fake reality, it was to show how much more powerful her magic was than his, and the reveal was to show HIM that he didn’t realize it. And from that moment he feared her because he knew he wasn’t as powerful as she was.

[@artofdon]

ya i t was to show it like how thanos revealed the destruction of titan

[@49_PiscoPapi]

25 minutes in and I’m already hearing some reaches 😬

[@josephryan6282]

On my first viewing I didn’t know how to feel. It was so weird and underwhelming. But after second viewing when it got released on Disney plus and understanding Sam Raimi’s style, I liked it a bit more. Basically a very cheesy and thrilling weird horror-esque marvel movie. Elizabeth Olsens version of Wanda in this movie was my favourite part. Didn’t feel the same for Doctor Strange though.

[@danieljo3314]

Dear David and Ed I am a big fan of your guys film reviews I was wondering if you guys would do a review of the neon Genesis evangelion franchise I'd like to hear your guy's thoughts on it.

[@liftedclothing6496]

After seeing Thor Love & Thunder, Dr Strange is so much better. But Shaang Chi still takes the cake for recent Marvel movies.

[@callmedo]

Two most powerful magic users in the MCU going head to head but the magic battle was SO underwhelming. Previous movies had better magic effects and those came out years ago. Disappointed ☹️

[@jkang9905]

bottom line is this, they chose the wrong movie to attempt the first "horror" film for Marvel. If you REALLY wanted a Raimi film, you should've assigned him to Morbius. You in essence could've gone full circle with him sending him back to the spiderverse with another spiderman anti hero character. What I wanted was a TRUE multiverse film much in the vein of Everything, Everwhere, All at once. When you have a director SO stylized as Raimi, you're subject to getting ALL of his film habits and editing. All the outdated things he included was absolutely intentional and that was classic Raimi. So if you're a big fan of his, then you're in hog heaven. If you're not, then it's outdated and very typical. This is like getting JJ Abrams to do a film. You know that you're gonna get lens flare, and that's that. What fans wanted was payoff, which we never really got. When you hear "Multiverse" and "616" "838", etc. you're gonna want to see some WILD SHIT. At this point you get the free license to do some indulgent fan service. With a movie like this, why the hell not? What's stopping you? Empty the clip, give me Tom Cruise Supreme Ironman, give me Chris Evans Johnny Storm, show me things that'll make me drop my damn jaw. this movie was fun, but it could've been so much more, and it just fell short of the finish line.

[@HK47_115]

So, Raimi did go full Raimi in this film. now I'm just even more disappointed and less likely to watch any of his future films. I heard originally that they wouldn't let him make the film he wants it. I'm in technically to a certain degree that was correct at first. but now knowing this is the film he wanted to create, I don't ever want to see him make another marvel film ever again. there are so many good things he could have done with this film, and this is what he created. there were definitely a lot of good moments and good elements. don't get me wrong. but like David said, he should have went all the way with a marvel horror film. now I know next time that if his name is on it, I'm not touching it. I'm not watching the film. I will watch his past films. but that's it. I am just beyond disappointed now knowing this. I thought it was disappointed before now I'm just really fucking pissed off and disappointed. he did make the film he wanted, and he made shit.

[@jkang9905]

@@HK47_115 yeah he went all in. But let's be honest, why would anyone expect him not to? I mean you don't go to a chevy dealership to not buy a chevy.

[@noeyjade]

Every marvel movie even before Infinity War had crazy reactions from the audience, but I agree people forced these reactions for MoM, like the crowd forced themselves to laugh

[@Ms-up9pi]

marvel has been settling and putting out mid because they know they’re fans will eat it up. I’d personally enjoy theyre movies more if they didn’t rely on action and CGI to carry it so much

[@deucezulu_22]

.....They comicbook films so the action and cgi is to be expected. Besides if that the case you should be fine with Ms. Marvel.

[@Ms-up9pi]

@@deucezulu_22 i enjoy the action and everything but this new phase has just been weak movies. Shang Chi was cool and i liked black widow but Thor, Eternals, and strange we’re all let downs

[@Vincisomething]

Corridor Digital have a series where they break down good and bad CGI scenes in movies. There's a scene in Spiderman (Sam Raimi's) where he's swinging around with MJ and her hair's blowing in the wrong direction lol.

[@-amosc.presley-7192]

**~Glad, to see the both the 2 of y’all enjoy yourselves 😜

[@deltadelt24]

I was cracking up at David and Ed's nitpicks but if I was gonna nitpick something they mentioned it'd be the scene where Dr. Strange fights the Shu'ma Gorath looking monster. I could suspend my disbelief that Strange would be having a difficult time dealing with the monster because 1. He no longer has the time stone since Thanos destroyed it in their timeline so he's probably more cautious when it comes to how he fights 2. There are civilians around him so he probably can't go ham like when he did fight Thanos 3. He was only whooping Thanos because he had Tony, Spiderman, and three Guardians backing him up. Other than that I didn't really have too much to nitpick about their thoughts.

[@DroopyBDawg]

I feel like phase 4 has just opened up way more questions with each movie and show concerning “universes” and “space” than any answers. They opened up enough problems to solve with the shows and they just keep breaking more time and space with barely any solutions or understanding. I admit it’s fun and flashy in the moment but even if we are treating these shows and movies like threads to a bigger thing, I don’t think it’s connecting well. Seems kinda weird when I enjoy Hawkeye wrapping up a simple mob storyline more than “fixing” multiverse problems.

[@Kmont79]

He said that the McGuffin in the first phases of Marvel were the stones. I just feel like it’s taking a little too long to find the overarching story for this phase. Unless there’s been something outside of the Shang Chi ending scene that I missed

[@gaypotatoes]

It's becausse there's so much shit they're introducing at the same time. No one knows which way they're going to go so it's confusing as fuck. Even more so when you haven't watched all the movies/series

[@josuemunoz1993]

They compared doctor strange to green lantern... I was like dafuq I don't think they know how green lanterns powers work or even dr stranges

[@sagathekawaiikilla]

David I love the autobiography of ur life - “No, David “ by David Shannon a wonder piece of art; only second to the hungry caterpillar 🐛

[@grateful_fear2155]

I don't look at MCU movies the same as other movies. Each MCU movie is a small chapter in a bigger picture. Chavez could be a foundation for something crucial later on. Remember, they still haven't physically shown who the "big bad". Also, these MCU films are definitely catered more for the super fans (which I am not). I have to watch at least 3 breakdown videos to fully get it. But that's what puts MCU movies in a different category for me when it comes to expectations. Enjoyed your breakdown nonetheless.

[@HK47_115]

Just because They're made for the super fans doesn't mean you can't still keep up. I am nowhere near a super fan. But I'm able to keep up just fine. this movie was just an absolute mess. too much all at once and it can't stand on its own two feet. whereas many of the MCU films can. I don't need to see guardians of the galaxies want to enjoy two. I didn't need to see Thor want to enjoy Thor two and Thor Ragnarok. many of the marvel films were still able to hold themselves up on their own two feet even though they were still connecting to an overarching plot. sure, these were definitely made with the super fans in mind. but no, not only a super Fan can fallow through. I'm just a minor fan who needs to be watches a film, or a TV show from marvel, then literally forgets about their existence until the next film comes out. I'm still able to keep up with many of these films just fine. cuz many of them were still able to stand on their own two feet. I didn't need to know research on every single comic book to be able to follow them. matter of fact you don't even need to check out the comic books at all. Nor the previous films. in my opinion, multiverse of madness is the only one where you can't watch without watching One division first or you're just not going to understand what's going on. even no way from home would be easy to follow without watching the other previous Tom Holland Spider-Man films. I mean you would be missing some context, but you can still enjoy the film as is. you can't do that with this film. and all these people making this excuse that you need to see the other stuff, that's bullshit. that is bullshit. I was able to keep up just fine and I haven't seen every single marvel film or TV show. and as somebody who actually liked Wandavision, this was a disappointing conclusion to it. edit: ignore any typos you see. I'm getting sick and tired of correcting autocorrect's mistakes

[@IDCSAO]

i absolutely loved multiverse of madness the only part that was pretty bad for me was the ending but the first 2 arcs of the movie was great, I just enjoyed the elements of Sam raimi's horror in a marvel movie it felt fresh, instead of a movie that generally relied on the all out battle like spider-man which i also enjoyed but the movie never took off for me until Toby made it on the screen

[@HK47_115]

I was intrigued by those moments but they were so few and far in between. I would just think, that's it? come on, if you want to go for a horror film then go for a full horror film. Let Raimi go full Raim. it's not impossible for a comic book story to get into horror elements. as if there aren't horror comic books out there. in fact, I think even evil Dead has their own comics too. and marvel has done some comics with horror elements before. especially their zombie suits. which was absolutely disappointing and what if. and just like in what it, they keep making the smart characters stupid. and I don't just mean any smart characters, they're making the geniuses the dumbest characters. why do they keep doing that? for me, that's what pissed me off the most. was both strange and Reed Richards just being absolutely dumb. but her read Richard's especially. When Wanda told strange that he was allowed to break the rules but not her, I was expected strange to tell her the truth and tell her off. Like cut the shit wanda, I didn't break the rules for my little fucking personal fantasy using people as marionette dolls. I was trying to say the fucking universe. don't you give me that bullshit Miss Scarlet witch

[@IDCSAO]

@@HK47_115 there will always be someone higher above you who is in control of your creativity in that industry, imo i think having few and far inbetween is a pretty big step

[@douayang8976]

"Spider-Man is a huge property." Well, yeah, Ed. He's their flagship hero. They can't fuck him up. He has to be done right... especially under them. The fans are expecting it.

[@edparkvp5465]

Well, yea, Doug. That’s exactly what I said.

[@douayang8976]

@@edparkvp5465 my bad. I'm just saying, he's more important than any other superhero they have. I notice that everything around him they changed but Spider-Man himself is still Spider-Man. Just wished DC would treat Superman the same way.

[@moon_shoes]

I had a big problem with the first Doctor Strange for the same reasons you guys have said about this new one. Your enjoyment is so hinged on you already knowing everything about the character and the other parts of the MCU that unless you've seen all the films and shows you will have almost no idea what's going on. I really had a hard time following the first film because I'm not a huge Marvel fan and I've only recently watched a handful of them that my boyfriend wanted me to watch with him. None of the films we watched were unwatchable because I hadn't seen the other ones, there were just nuanced things I missed but didn't impact the actual story. I don't know why they go so hard with the Doctor Strange films into storylines that are so hard to follow for casual watchers.

[@donovanwilliams8996]

probably because they're not catering to casual watchers.

[@WordasBond]

Maria as Captain Marvel not being strong enough against Wanda made sense to me because Wanda was implied to be stronger than Thanos in Endgame and now that she’s powered up from Wandavision, she’s gonna be even stronger than she was in Endgame

[@ashantibell3702]

THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE HAS SAID IT

[@thburritomaster]

Wow. You thought Love and Thunder had tighter jokes? I completely disagree I thought it was much worse. It felt like a parody of Ragnarok.

[@seanaddams5761]

Ed got me with the Captain Marvel observation 🤣🤣🤣

[@nebeker]

i watched this when it dropped on disney+ and i was glad i didn’t drop any extra bucks. at this point, i get better mileage complaining about marvel films from the comfort of my home instead of going out hahaha. maybe the new thor movie will change my mind but i doubt it!!

[@Daslickflip]

I agree it was very bad compared to the rest of mcu honestly. I hate saying it cause I love the universe and the movies. But marvel is either getting cheap or is just struggling to get this phase going. Too much going on Feels rushed. I hope they catch their stride soon. I’ll support marvel until the bitter end but they need to pick it up again

[@johnnyblaze1098]

Loki took someones eyeball out first in the first Avengers movie...

[@samantha7966]

I agreed 1000% with this review. I was one of the audience members who did not watch WandaVision (I don't have Disney plus). Also I died when Ed said "Mexico Chavez" 🤣. Please do a Thor review in the future!

[@HKasian]

ayo David, can we get some good korean movie reviews please? Like when you did my sassy girlfriend. Love to hear you guys dive through some Park chan wook Lee chang dong stuff!

[@FoNgThOnG]

The Dr. Strange third eye scene at the end means it wasn't OUR Dr. Strange, it was another Dr. Strange. Charlize's character was recruiting OUR Dr. Strange to fix his counterparts fuck ups.

[@하늘-p7l]

The boys you have to talk about this show it’s sooo goood with Ed plz

[@treycampbell759]

Ok, cool... I'm about to watch the movie before I watch this episode to see if I agree with who I affectionately call "the Asian Siskel and Ebert" They have good taste and interesting perspectives on the films they watch. I'll be right back!

[@KevinYeePharmD]

It wasn't horrible, but I felt indifferent after. I still enjoyed the movie. Anyways I really appreciate both of you analyzing the storytelling, plot lines, and character development. That was gold 🪙

[@Vincisomething]

Paused at 2 minutes and just watched Everything Everywhere All At Once before I continued lol. Then I paused again to watch Dr. Strange. I enjoyed both because almost anything related multiverses or time travel are my weaknesses, but I liked EEAAO more.

[@daheeroh]

I don't watch Marvel films but this was an interesting take! I did hear people saying here and there that the movie was bad. Really liked your take on it! The comparison to Raya made me think "ooh this ain't it" And speaking of movies, since you're with Ed, please... please... review Nacho Libre. Yall have so much fun talking about Nacho Libre that it makes me laugh too 🤣🤣🤣. - A Patiently waiting fan- 😀

[@MrLucky5001]

I don't think the movie was trash, but I felt like it dragged on. so little happened that it could've been 30-40 minutes long instead of 2h+.

[@karencheung6868]

David So getting salty bringing up Simu again cause he didn’t get invited to Asian celeb bball 🤣🤣

[@CRMSIN]

you guys need to review morbius. cant wait for your reactions

[@TongKatsu9]

Personally I thought this was a really great comic book movie, aside from all the sam reimi and characters nerfng stuff. Also, with marvel rushing to push out 100 movies and shows in a span of a year, the cgi and quality is gonna suffer.

[@MartyD]

_I’m not a monster, I’m a mother!_ 🤣

[@MrCoOL47]

Scarlett Witch was absorbing/stealing Captain Marvel's power during their fight. Thanos never had that type of power and fought Wanda, not the Scarlet Witch. Wanda became the Scarlet Witch after using the Darkhold. Scarlet Witch is stronger than Wanda from previous movies. She arguably the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe.

[@Ktunes09]

The zombie part is a reference to the “what if” series. Like you said if people didn’t want the marvel series on Disney plus the movie made no sense

[@jimmymoua]

i wished they would've addressed the giant fucking celestial birthing out of Earth from the Eternals movie. You'd think somewhere in the Dr. Strange or Thor movie they would at least acknowledge the giant petrified statue poking out of Earth or even the giant one that appeared outside of the planet but not a single mention of it. Both events were potential Earth-ending catastrophes that no avenger would've been able to confront. If there is anyone in the Marvel universe who's qualified to talk about this, it would be Dr. Strange or Thor, the two who specialize in mystic threats or gods.

[@blitonz]

I like how in the ad, you typed the wrong web address the first time.

[@gabrielwilliams4355]

A smaller film that would have shown strange and karl mordo finishing there conflict would have been great. We literally skipped a whole film after dr strange 1

[@bc3102]

The people at the theaters has definitely gotten way more annoying since end game and infinity war. Every time I go people are being obnoxious and disruptive.

[@afroboy18]

It was a letdown it's like when your favorite place becomes super corporate that's how these films feel now

[@LiIBrehBreh]

I watched this movie with my two friends and they thought it was decent. I spent 10 minutes ranting in the parking lot about how upset I was lmao

[@pandanar_]

100% agree with you David. This movie was NOT GOOD. Like, bro? They really made Dr. Stephen Strange say "the illumi-whati?" So, so bad. Marvel completely missed with this one. What was the point of the illuminati to begin with????

[@kidawesomeness123]

i have to rant about thor love and thunder because david brought it up im so so sorry yall i actually preferred ragnorak to love and thunder. the jokes in love and thunder were so incessant at a pace that was so consistent it became predictable and the few points where the characters were serious it didnt feel earned because they were quipping 98% of the time, the rambling in the last one added to the unpredictability of the movie and i may have just liked the story more. personally ever since they started trying to dive into thor's trauma they made his storylines sillier and more slapstick which couldve worked if they allowed him to actually have moments of sobriety but in thor love and thunder they narrate and glaze over it, they didnt show us where thor was they told us and it made the emotional aspects felt cheated. its especially jarring how they changed thors character because iron man and captain america never ever got that treatment and those are the heroes thor came up with., which makes it jarring too. i wouldve left this style to guardians of the galaxy, it just worked better with a bigger cast, more characters to riff off of and thor's squad doesnt have the range. thor is starlord, valkyrie is gamorrah rock man is drax? jane was there? then died? eh. I did enjoy the campiness aspect of the film i wish it wasnt *all* of the film, just the action parts.

[@DavidSoComedy]

I just went in thinking it’s a comedy film. Had a great villain Christian bail, gave me a reason to care about his growth with his love interest, and the ending made sense. Was it a great marvel film? Dunno bout that But it was a good marvel comedy to me.

[@markstriker925]

And also I think all the fake rumors might have ruined this movie too. Some people thought Deadpool was going to be in the movie. 😂😂

[@Unforgivenn]

Kinda wish youd bring someone who disagrees with you so we can hear both sides. Bc like you said for shangchi nothing was wrong with it its just your review of it

[@Balgees24]

This only few films I never saw, I already know I would not understand and I can't say his last name too 😅

[@laquoya9816]

Hot take, I think Love and Thunder is worse than this Multiverse of Madness. I do strongly agree with Ed about the movie we could have had. I think that would have made more sense and made been more charitable to Wanda.

[@CuongChanster]

I do enjoy David's and Ed's reviews and critics. Glad I'm not a film enthusiasts. I'm just the dummy that gets easily sucker to those shiny objects

[@emanuelgonzalez7213]

Im leaving a like then dipping I too tired for this movie slander right now lmao

[@Ms-up9pi]

lmao

[@sumflip]

Damn I came into this ready to defend the movie. Y'all right. It was pretty bad, but I still loved it lol.

[@adrianhernandez8227]

Worse than shang chi??? 👀

[@HaiTharImDavid]

All I heard was Book of Ashanti the whole time lmao the book of Ashanti's top hits!

[@fallenleaves9329]

Yo this movie felt like a horror movie if you said this was Deadpool I would believe you

[@s.t.5915]

The movie should've been called Scarlet Witch the multiverse of corny-ness

[@johnrossi6189]

Everyone has their own opinions so if this is how you feel then power to you, I disagree but you do you. *BUT* the only problem I have is that you guys are calling certain things "bad" and "lazy" because you don't understand it..like for example, you guys saying that you don't know what the point of Wanda changing the reality or now she turned evil. They explained why she is turning more corrupt, it's cause her constant use of the Dark Hold..They have said it multiple times and even showed it with the other universes Dr. Strange. And the reason why she turned the scenery to all dead and destroyed was because she was trying to trick Strange into thinking she isn't planning anything and to fool him, since she didn't have to keep the act up she decided to drop the scenery, also Dr Strange I'm sure knew it wasn't real because his first line to her was "Those almost look real"

[@shaq8830]

The MCU has descended into mediocrity....

[@Ncyb0rg]

Can you do a minions review? There were a lot of pro china themes in the movie and curious what you thought of chinas influence on american media

[@noeyjade]

Wong’s hair also changes every other scene and it’s really distracting for me. Because of the reshoots

[@Diegomg21]

I’d love to see a review of The Black Phone from you guys!

[@YGLuv2NE1]

The musical note fight scene was very random lol 🤣 and the ending...🤣

[@thomasmangold-lenett4445]

Charles Xavier got done so dirty in this movie. In general I liked the movie but definitely understand your criticisms

[@treebush]

Oh sick new movie review with Ed hope you guys do moribus and the new Thor movie lol I would love to hear your thoughts on it lol

[@donnguyen2517]

I just binged the new iron chef, you should get esther choi and kristen kish on the podcast

[@tewakp3228]

Do Thor next, cause that one really has me not wanting to spend money to watch Marvel films anymore.

[@drewmirage]

The movie to me. Felt really fast. Like they was just jumping to scenes.Didnt really do a good job on introducing America Chavez. Felt like they could had just made a chapter two. It was a pretty bad. Lol