Moving the Monument - Spider-Man: Homecoming

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I really enjoyed most of Spider-Man: Homecoming. It was funny. It looked great. The cast was terrific.
But I do think it had a real issue with character development. Specifically, I don’t think Peter has very much. So I analyzed the three act story structure and tried to see if changing the placement of one of the action sequences could give Peter more room to grow.
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[@michaelshepherd8545]

Do you know who wouldn't have issues with the progressing heights? Kite man.

[@ADCD-dj8gz]

Kite man would make a better villain than Vulture

[@slips2934]

But tony stark would just give peter a kite tho

[@Gallowaves]

Yeah too bad he's a DC character...

[@michaelshepherd8545]

@@Gallowaves sounds like the makings of the world's most ambitious crossover.

[@cameronphares2482]

Kite man: you ain’t ready kid.

[@huntcd2012]

Only a minute in, but real quick, I think the Washington Monument scene going off without a hitch was the point. As far as Peter is concerned, the rescue was a success and he now knows what Vulture is up to. It spurs him on to keep up with trying to solve the issue on his own and blow off his studies in the process with him cutting detention even to go do more detective work and rush off to the Ferry sequence. It was Peter getting arrogant and people almost got hurt because of it.

[@isaiahnunez1796]

Precisely. And, I think that a part of fans' desires to alter this character beat stems from a misunderstanding of MCU Spider-Man's deviation from some of his comic-book counterpart adaptations. Not only is Peter younger, and more naive in the the film, but he's only been Spider-Man for the better part of two years. Moreover, I find it interesting how one of the more peculiar criticisms of the film involves Peter's alleged incompetence in high-intensity situations, as Spider-Man in the comics always knew what to do. Having a character begin the story as a flawed individual, only to mature out of said flaws by the film's conclusion is storytelling 101. Nando's change, while definitely genuine, isn't fully informed.

[@MylesDobson]

I agree. Remember, this scene comes just after Peter unlocks all of his suit abilities. He thinks he's nothing without the suit, and that it's the reason he can be spiderman. The save at the monument solidifies it in peter's mind, which then gives him the confidence to move onto the boat scene. He gets what he wants (Doing everything on his own with no Iron Man help) but it comes at a great cost (he loses the suit, what he believes makes him spider-man) The monument scene might be 'the mid point' in terms of time, but it's actually a little earlier in the character's progression through the story. and there's no rule to say that the 'mid point' can't come far later in the film

[@devenkingman9835]

While u definitely r not wrong part of Spiderman is the struggle of balancing his life as Spiderman and his life as Peter Parker, a great way to show this off would have been the Washington Monument scene and the scenes leading up to it

[@mechajay3358]

@@isaiahnunez1796 Couldn't have said it better myself

[@VezixHaikal]

Almost isn't enough

[@ryanneale6501]

but the midpoint (not necessarily midway through the movie but serves the same purpose) is the ferry fight scene. he fails, potentially harms civilians, and has his suit taken. he learns to be his own man instead of relying on stark and his tech.

[@16dylan2]

This is probably the first Nando Edit that I can't get behind. I just started and about 5min but I think the monument scene is not the midpoint of the movie but rather the hero "succeeding" in his first fight. The actual midpoint is probably when he loses the suit

[@gike2755]

I'm with you on this, though it's been a while since I've watched it. Also, the midpoint does not have to come at 50% of the movie. I liked the change at the end though.

[@JOCoStudio1]

Yeah, similar to the example he gives of Black Panther losing his powers and the fight with Killmonger. Both are closer to the end of their respective films but act as the midpoint in the same way.

[@daniellins4114]

@@gike2755I didn't like the end change that much. In the original you could empathise with vulture because he just wanted to provide to his family and tried to do that with minimal to zero casualties. In the new end, he just plans to crash a plane somewhere, maybe endanger a bunch of innocents and cause an "accident" like the ones he took care of in the beginning of the movie, and I don't think he would do that, since he could have seen the kind of damage he would cause very closely.

[@cmonster4926]

@@daniellins4114 Very true, because if Vulture's character changes to something darker then the scene where he keeps Peter's secret from the inmate either wouldn't happen or wouldn't make much sense, and I really like that scene.

[@gradedwarrior4476]

This is one of the only Nando videos I can get behind.

[@callumroberts6917]

The mid point is definitely, especially with given the specific requirements you mentioned, the ferry scene. It doesnt need to be in the middle of the movie

[@lucam8a]

I think that the monument scene is fine, since it prevents Vulture from opening Peter's brains out on the back of his car.

[@mylesnelson2007]

luca In his rewrite, the monument scene still happens and Peter still saves Liz prior to him being in the car for the Homecoming dance.

[@archiemarshall4368]

The ferry sequence is already serves as the midpoint though?

[@ob2395]

Names With lots of numbers Learn to spucking fell.

[@everythingdibs344]

And his beliefs were challenged in the film. He thought he had to be this big hero that faces “avenger level threats” but ultimately decides that he should stick to the ground and be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Also he told tony he was nothing without his suit but he was and learned that when lifting the building that vulture dropped on him but after the plane crash when vulture’s wing suit exploded, he was no match for peter and he was actually the one who is nothing without his suit.

[@michaelschaeffer6936]

I thought it was the part where hes trapped under a building?

[@junaydfisher211]

​@@everythingdibs344 he didn't say that peter's beliefs were not challenged throughout the film, but rather just the monument scene didn't really change anything, his beliefs are instead actually affirmed, he endangers his classmates, but suffers no consequences other than maybe guilt and that wasn't really shown on screen, he's not really defeated. the way nando rearranged it with making peter skip class to go to the city and unintentionally endanger everyone, and getting bailed out by tony, makes the idea that he's not ready to be a superhero hit harder, throw in the tension with the him getting in trouble in class, endangering his class mates, the tension with him and ned, and then directly after that, getting his suit taken away and the reveal that vulture is liz's father, it would make a better midpoint. Then only his final arc is about proving himself without the suit and redeeming himself will carry more weight.

[@BrentsonJr]

Love your videos, but I think I'm inclined to disagree on your rearrangement of the earlier set pieces. I understand your sentiment, but I personally think the way these events played out in the film worked, especially in furthering Peter's relationship with Tony. However, I do like your small change to the end, but I don't think it makes complete sense for Vulture to crash a plane full of extremely powerful and expensive stuff that he wants to sell and, you know, not blow up in his face. Still, loved the video, I always like to hear your opinions and changes to movies.

[@storybored3]

agreed.

[@ilo3456]

I think that the monument scene is meant to solidify Peter's belief that Tony is not trusting of him and that he can do more than Tony believes he can, and the crash for Peter is when Tony basically goes there in person and basically teaches him a tough lesson that he is actually just a kid and shouldn't try to overdo himself, that he still hasn't learned what being a hero is about, when Peter says that "He is nothing without the suit" and Tony says that "If he is nothing without the suit then he shouldn't have it", to me it calls back to Civil War, when Tony tells Cap "My Father made that shield" and cap drops the shield, because to Cap he is not the shield or the costume, the essence of Captain America is the man not the imagery or tools. Basically for Tony he realises that if Peter fails to recognize that Spider Man is not the suit but rather the person under the suit, then basically he would end up just like Tony used to be, arrogant and selfish, he wants to guide Peter to being better than him and I think this only works when we see that Peter put so many people in danger because of his own hubris, and what plants the seed of this hubris is the monument scene.

[@anthonymarchetta8796]

But Peter 100% has an arc. He 100% is challenged in his assumptions. Didn't you watch the ferry scene? It was about how Peter thought he had everything under control himself because Tony wasn't listening to him. Except it turns out Tony WAS listening, Peter never considered the idea because he was basically flexing for Tony, and he nearly grts everyone killed. His motivation was to try and be awesome enoigh to be an avenger, so later when he finds out Liz's dad is the Vulture and goes after him anyway...that's the moment. To his knowledge Tony isn't looking out for him anymore, so why does he do it? Because he's there. With great power comes great responsibility. You're fixing a nonexistent problem.

[@danielwood6833]

I think the only problem with the arc is the lack of focus on 'WGPCGR' While I get the film didn't want to retell the origin I think it should've referred to Ben's death explicitly more than the one time vague "everything that's happened with her" line. Peter has mostly forgotten what Ben taught him as he is reverting back almost to before Ben got shot where he is more focused on using his powers more for his own benefit than he is focused on the safety of others. The perfect time to represent this is right after the Ferry and May is worried sick about him, they could have their talk and the reason she could be even more worried is because today was Ben's birthday (The calls Peter ignored could've been her phoning to pick up the cake). This would be a direct showing of Peter being selfish to the point he literally forgot what defined his heroism and puts him even lower and on a more personal level beyond messing up the "Stark internship" and failed to be a hero. It doesn't need to be long but we could see how much it truly puts Peter in the gutter before the montage of him getting on with his life begins. Maybe have May take a decent look at the suit before she gives it to Peter, Peter could ask if she's ok and May could say yeah and that it's his Uncles Tux then she teaches him to dance. Maybe have him glance at a photo of all3 of them together before they leave. This keeps his core motivations relevant and gives it much needed focus without beating people over the head with the origin again, it also keeps it fresh in our minds when Peter runs out on Liz at the dance. It might sound like a lot but in an over 2 hour long film I highly doubt it would hurt the pacing

[@anthonymarchetta8796]

Yeah I agree, but to claim there is no arc is flatly incorrect. The loss of Uncle Ben in the story is a big problem and should have been mentioned, I even like your idea.

[@danielwood6833]

@@anthonymarchetta8796 thank you And totally he does have an ark, I think the inclusion of Ben in a more emotional and less vague sense would helped better define it

[@christianemerson4622]

But that's what's wrong with MCU Peter: his goal is to impress Tony Stark, not be Spider-Man.

[@anthonymarchetta8796]

@@christianemerson4622 That's the whole point. He tries to impress Tony Stark, forgets why he's doing it, and only when he proves that he'll be Spider-Man whether Tony is watching or not does he get the chance to be an Avenger, which he turns down because he knows that isn't where he's needed.

[@conorlamere399]

I was a bit skeptical til the plane-scene changes, that's a great fix! Still not sure if the ferry/Washington swap is critical (I do see your way is an improvement, but I though it was fine in the movie)

[@TubemastaC]

The main problem of this movie is that Spider-Man doesn’t face consequences (besides getting suit taken away). Adding any type of consequences to the Washington monument moment is better than none. He doesn’t get the girl (but like he barely knew her). He isn’t chastised or hated by his team despite flaking on them in DC when they almost died. He still gets to be Spider-Man at the end and tony hardly chastises him. No one gets hurt that he knows besides Liz losing her dad. The bodega explosion kills no one miraculously and he only shows guilt over that for like 2 mins before it’s forgotten. The monument scene is just another action scene where nothing happens.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@TubemastaC I see you

[@daniellins4114]

I didn't like the end change that much. In the original you could empathise with vulture because he just wanted to provide to his family and tried to do that with minimal to zero casualties. In the new end, he just plans to crash a plane somewhere, maybe endanger a bunch of innocents and cause an "accident" like the ones he took care of in the beginning of the movie, and I don't think he would do that, since he could have seen the kind of damage he would cause very closely.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@daniellins4114 all that is true but it's very necessary approve that Tony is wrong

[@daniellins4114]

@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 I agree, I just think Nando's solution wasn't the best one on this case (or even better than the movie's)

[@gibby9215]

Do you know what is more mind blowing than this entire video? *Marvel hasn't hired you yet*

[@milboxr9772]

Everything's easier with hindsight

[@uhoh7545]

Did you just delete the "if you really cared you'd actually be here" tony stark moment? *B O I*

[@BigZ7337]

This was a really interesting rewrite, I loved that you kept almost everything, but just rearranged some things and slightly altered a few others. This would have made a great movie even better, thanks.

[@williamjones7751]

it finally happened. NVM made a rewrite that i didn't love and think made the movie better. even with that still enjoyed the video as always.

[@DanielBMS]

I like the idea, but I disagree that the Washington Monument scene is meaningless. It is a scene that gives Spider-Man the impression that he can do anything. The ferry scene is where he is proven wrong.

[@mak11t]

The main thing I liked about this scene was one of the first times I remember seeing a super hero actively scared, saying he’s never been so high You really see him as the teenager he is

[@mcrhombas3743]

Of course the teenager is getting high

[@hughchester]

Cool idea but the main point was, "If you're nothing without the suit, then you shouldn't have it." The whole movie was leading to the rubble scene aka with great power comes great responsibility.

[@EwMatias]

"The movie is about Peter stopping the Vulture from minute one" That's a very weird thing to say, but okay, I kind of see where it's coming fr- "Peter is always right and never has a chance to grow". What movie did you see?

[@Numbuh1NerdX]

I appreciate the visual metaphor (especially with how it carries through to his next appearance in Infinity War), but I feel like this forces some unbelievable decisions and doesn’t really fix the biggest flaw with the movie. I mean, Peter trusts Tony to take care of it, and yet still decides to do it himself, and then in causing a near-disaster learns that he should be doing more? It feels a little roundabout and confused, and - much like the rest of this movie - seems to ignore why Peter does this in the first place. Assuming everything will be fine and someone else will take care of things is what got his uncle killed, presumably two years ago tops. Peter can’t sit on the sidelines, he literally cannot allow himself to do that. The monument scene should carry more than weight than it does, but for different reasons than what you mentioned. This is the moment when Adrian’s recklessness in his quest for self-righteous revenge nearly kills his daughter. We should see Peter blame himself for this, but ultimately, confront Adrian for doing exactly what he did the night Ben died - let petty revenge take from him what he loved most. That conversation in the warehouse shouldn’t’ve been so one-sided, it should’ve been the moment we really saw that Peter Parker has motivation and thought outside of being an Iron Man fan.

[@themrfj]

Excellent idea, Peter should definitely blame Tombs for almost killing his daugther on the monument!

[@daniellins4114]

Wait, how is it the vulture's fault? Wasn't Peter and Ned that took the alien thingy to D.C. and caused the explosion?

[@Numbuh1NerdX]

Daniel Lins Adrian sold incredibly dangerous stuff to incredibly dangerous people who had no idea what to do with it. Peter and Ned are just two kids who got their hands on it and didn’t know what to do with it. It’s his neglect for the sake of spite that nearly killed his daughter, just like how it was Peter’s neglect for the sake of spite that got Uncle Ben killed. This is the sci-fi equivalent of a kid finding a hand grenade - sure, the kid pulled the ring, but he had no idea what would happen. The responsibility lies in the hands of the person who left a hand grenade in somebody’s yard.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

This might not have done it out of spite.

[@theiggliestbuff9925]

I don't really agree with your proposed changes to the finale. I feel like the way you structured it doesn't really give Peter a choice in whether he'll stop the vulture, the stakes are too high. The whole point of the finale is that Peter has an important choice to make: be a normal highschool kid who sometimes does hero work on the side, or be a *hero*. But putting innocent people in harm's way makes the choice way too easy for Peter, there's no way he wouldn't act in that situation.

[@bartholemeowthefirst]

Actually, tombes explains he's going to crash the plain after Peter makes his decision. It has no effect on the impact off his decision, just justifies it.

[@JazzyWaffles]

I feel like you missed the purpose of the scene so you're trying to fix a problem that isn't there.

[@doublej9889]

Hey Nando! You should do a fix of wolverine origins. People hate that movie but I think you could fit it. Give it a rewrite. Make it beautiful! 🤩

[@marsproductions7484]

Double J he will make a new movie

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@marsproductions7484 which one specifically

[@marsproductions7484]

Jeremy Valery I mean that’s Xmen origins is unfixble

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@marsproductions7484 oh I see I don't think it's unfixable they can cut some things out and just focus on Wolverine and his actual Origins probably fixing up the continuity

[@josharntt]

I don't hate the movie, it's a terrible movie, but I like it for whatever reason.

[@robbiehewitt55]

I think something that would be a bit better would be if, during the monument fight Toomes doesn't escape, but HELPS Peter save the people on board the elevator. The reason is that his daughter Liz Toomes is on the elevator and he wants to save her. It would make him a more sympathetic villain in my mind because he is obviously proud of his daughter and doesn't want anything to happen to her.

[@darksideofevil13]

But wouldn't the midpoint be when he finds out who the Vulture actually is? Also the font change for this one is interesting. Prefer your normal one though. Great video as always Nando. Very smart ideas I wouldn't have thought of.

[@Cheesusful]

@SwenglishGamer you can and they did.

[@davidbrickey8733]

Yeah, when he described the criteria for the midpoint "hero meets villain, stakes change, revelation that changes strategy for the hero", I thought he was leading up to that scene because it fits perfectly.

[@davidjay7116]

I came here to say this too

[@Cheesusful]

@SwenglishGamer I disagree (aside from where you said it's not perfect, but what is?) If every "midpoint" is in the exact middle of the film, they all become too predictable.

[@UdyKumra]

I think the only thing that a midpoint needs is to be a moment around the middle of the film where you get a revelation that makes the hero even more deeply flawed. Usually, this is the moment the hero meets the villain and tries to fight the villain in a way that doesn't work for him and he "loses" the battle. Think how in Guardians of the Galaxy they met Ronin at KnowWhere and were soundly defeated. But I don't think that's what the scene needs to be-the midpoint of Avengers, for example, was when Loki's people including Hawkeye assault the heli-carrier. They've already met Loki at that point and have defeated him once, so that's not what that scene is about. That scene is instead about a) revealing how powerful Loki is and b) revealing how weak the Avengers are when they are divided. I think what the Washington Monument scene should have done is demonstrate Peter's over-reliance on the suit. It sort of did that a little bit, but I feel like it really should have hammered that point home.

[@kremstoin]

16:19 your in-character scene changes are always my most favourite part of the movie

[@Scribblore]

Some excellent points especially about the plane crash! My one problem with this is that Peter stuck in the warehouse is actually my favourite scene in the movie, and I would miss it a lot.

[@notaninstrument7707]

Yeah, that makes a lot more sense structurally, but the warehouse is honestly really fun. Seeing Spider-Man trapped in a big empty room is really unique, and the complete opposite of where he usually is. I don't wanna lose that.

[@KillerTacos54]

Nice video. I pretty much agree with everything you say, especially the fact that Spider-Man suffers absolutely no consequences at all. Him getting his suit taken away is something that shouldn’t have happened in the first place - he shouldn’t have had his suit made by Stark in the first place

[@Jabersson]

In terms of the ferry scene, it's not just Peter standing on a boat. He is swinging around using all his learnt web techniques to keep the boat from splitting in two. An entire ferry's worth of people are at stake, which is way more tense than the class at the Washington monument. It's not gonna work if you put a scene with raised stakes before a scene with lower stakes. The switch is not gonna work as well as you think it will. I mean, Homecoming is a pretty hard movie to rewrite, but this ain't it chief.

[@robl0xgamer258]

Yep

[@thatcrazynerdgirlproductio4481]

The increasing height thing kind of made me think of Tony’s “stay on the ground” advice.

[@DarkKai33]

At first I was skeptical, but if you really think about it, all of these changes make so much sense.

[@MrEnKaye]

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[@InsaneImmortal]

Spider-mans growth came from knowing who he is without the suit. Not about learning about the suit or the Vulture. Learning how to dig deep for strength and be Spider-man. The Sokovia accords include enhanced individuals even if you don't sign. Legal Eagle has a video on a couple of things the Sokovia accords contain.

[@lillianb8762]

Idk, man. I generally like your ideas, but I feel like you're missing the point on this one. It's not a story about going from passivity to activity. Peter was an active author in his own life since what happened off-screen with Uncle Ben. This is a story about stopping to be a kid instead of throwing himself into the adults' world before his time. I feel like the point of the DC action sequence is to convince him he really is ready for all this. (Only to learn at the end of the 2nd act that he is not.)

[@KongFuzii]

this

[@oliverfm3263]

I’d argue that when Tony takes the suit from Peter is the midpoint. It challenges his views of “I’m nothing without this suit”.

[@travb920]

This scene is the first time Peter was in a high stress situation where he's the only person around to save some lives. How is that not character growth? It's his big moment and he's terrified the entire time. I agree with Peter not learning lesson after lesson in the early parts of the movie, but he's spending all of that time trying to prove himself to Tony, without recognizing that he's been making Tony proud that entire time. However he's been failing everything so far, and he's on his first big case as a super hero so he's going to keep pushing, even if he's in over his heads. As Peter continues to go after these guys, that leads him into the ferry scene and Tony taking the suit.

[@jdpwnerdownes7768]

I love when you write dialogue for a scene, more of that pls!

[@DX795Q]

Can’t say I agree that the changes were necessary this time around. Considering the amount of restructuring and a few fun scenes that were lost, I don’t think the movie suffers as much from the way it’s ordered as you make it out to be.

[@sexappealandtheroundabouts4506]

In my opinion he does have a midpoint, it’s when he is trapped under the rubble and realizes that he doesn’t always have somebody and needs to work on his own

[@JJFLIP101]

I agree that this is a more structurally sound version of the story but I also think Homecoming has some really excellent thematic stuff around what it means to be a kid -- I think Peter skipping the Academic Decathalon competition and not swimming with his friends the night before is important! And the moment after the field trip when Peter says, "I'm so over high school right now" is a big one, too. I think it's just because I'm such an absolute sucker for this movie but I do think changing the structure like this takes away some of the thematic charm that made this movie feel like a really contemporary Spider-Man story.

[@sconnor-pt4vt]

Dude... HE'S GOT DANGER SENSE!!! Peter is somewhere when it goes off so he follows them onto the ship.

[@gendergoo1312]

Peter's arc is understanding how to enjoy life as a kid. The DC field trip is something he misses out on. He doesn't get to study and have fun with his friends, he doesn't get to sightsee later, he doesn't get to share in their victory. That's the secondary point of the scene, and the primary theme of the movie. It's the reason Peter rejects the iron spider suit and that moment feels earned.

[@kit-3]

I swung by as soon as you uploaded. Thanks nando

[@celestinenox]

I disagree on one point: I think the ferry scene should still end the way it does in the movie (which would mean Peter's convo with Tony happens here, not later where you put it)--including Tony taking the suit. This challenges Peter's belief that he was ready and capable (as it does in the original). It also gives him new information: that Tony *was* working on the arms dealers, just not in the way Peter wanted him to or thought he would (as it does in the original), and changes everything because now the *rest* of the movie has to happen with Peter working on his own, without the super tech of the suit, because he realizes that whether he's ready or not, whether Tony believes in him or not, whether he has the super tech suit or not... this is what he *needs* to do. I think it would be super powerful if Peter is without the suit he's come to rely on throughout the second half of the movie. It would force him to think more strategically, to come up with his own creative ways of solving his problems and getting the information he needs. *And* it would go a lot further in making him more confident in himself and his abilities than the, what, ten minutes at the end of the original film? Without the super tech suit, he is still at a physical disadvantage in the final battle but has learned to compensate by using his brains. Which, you know, Peter Parker should be able to do.

[@matthewparker9276]

However this ruins the decision at the end of the movie when peter decides he can be spiderman without the suit. He cant make that decision if he has already been spiderman without the stark suit in dc.

[@kennysroom203]

WOW! I loved this movie as well but I had some problems that I couldn't make out! You fixed them flawlessly but still kept the heart of the movie! A Kid aspiring to become a hero! Great Vid!

[@tornadochaser2457]

Very thoughtful and engaging analysis! Keep up the excellent work amigo!

[@AbbeyThoughts]

Like the style! Really feels like your channeling is evolving above the rest

[@SamLyn]

Fantastic as always

[@Ben10man2]

I love how they make Peter scared of heights to explain why he isn't swinging around skyscrapers all the time

[@android19willpwn]

I dunno about the main rewrite, but the detail about the plane is solid. I like that in the movie we got Vulture is consistently a thief. He doesn't hurt people who aren't trying to stop him and ideally every job is a clean in-and-out with no interaction with anybody. BUT sacrificing that is worth it to not make the crash Peter's fault, for the reasons you described.

[@TannerC12345]

Excellent work as always! I actually couldn’t remember if which order the ferry scene and the monument scene originally happened. Also love the small edit to tombes’ plan

[@BHRamsay]

I like your ending except it feels like it takes away Peter's motivation to refuse the offer to join the Avengers. In the original he stopped Vulture but at great cost. A cost he wasn't entirely prepared to pay. He got a taste of reality and realized he wasn't ready for primetime. In your version he's survived a big mission AND proved he can run in the big leagues. ..and then turns down Tony's offer. Oh unless you make Fury the person who asks and the back &forth between him and Tony hints at Peter's father & mother being part of SHIELD (a way to improve on the ideas the Marc Webb movies tried to do ) Scene Peter walking away after turning down the Avengers ... Tony : I'm kinda proud of the kid. ..wanting to do the working-class hero thing. It takes moxie Fury: Did you really just say moxie, I gotta tell Steve whenever I see him next Tony : So you are keeping tabs on us. Fury : I like to know trouble's coming before it hits, speaking of, you really going to let him walk away with your tech, especially given what we know about his parents. Tony: He's earned my trust besides he's not ready to find out what's out there yet. I'd rather protect him as long as I can. Fury : You know Steve said exactly the same thing. It didn't work out as well as he'd have liked. Tony: Well someone should have warned him Fury: Someone did, he didn't listen either. ..until it was too late anyway. For the boy's sake, I hope you'll be smarter then Cap.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

I love it working Peter's parents are part of Shield

[@janelance7257]

I doubt Tony's ever going to let Fury talk to him like that about his tech. For all shields faults, Cap respects Fury way more than Tony ever did.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@janelance7257 yeah

[@b2thec]

But then he is all for it in Infinity War and thinks the suit is the coolest thing in the world. Unless Peter went through some major life changes in the middle of these two movies.

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@b2thec that is true

[@janelance7257]

Apart from ferry scene being midpoint in its own right, the main problem with your rewrite would be the fact that ferry scene is decidedly not something Tony won't worry about. He could be missing from the costume and not really care when all the stakes were one spiderboy in a lake. Ferry scene is about endangering people. You can't dismiss it only to reprimand him for the same thing at the monument. You'd need ferry scene to literally be "spidey is thrown into the water", and no risk. Which would preclude having awesome moment with Peter holding the boat together

[@briarleyklassen3008]

Dude that was incredible! You’ve earned a subscriber.

[@kostastopalidis9173]

the second point about the crush being caused by vultures plan to hide the heist and peter having to prevent it from killing innocent people is great, very nice idea

[@_JusDavid_]

Love the new branding. I was scrolling up and I didn't recognize it until I saw NandovMovies. Also I like your shirt

[@advitiyashetty8790]

Amazing! Also love the new logo.

[@BolshevikMuppet]

The only way the criticism of the monument scene as a bad “midpoint” is if you assume that the midpoint of the story is the same as the middle of the movie. Marvel movies, in particular, have midpoints that fall either well-before or well-after the chronological middle. Mistaking the function of a scene for its location in the screenplay is just kind of silly, In Guardians Vol. 2 the midpoint you yourself show (Peter finding out that Ego killed his mother) doesn’t happen until 90 minutes into a two hour movie. You’re mistaking “this wasn’t the midpoint” for “this was the midpoint and they messed it up.” And there is a midpoint in Homecoming: the ferry scene. Where Peter’s hubris and desire to be a “real” superhero both risks people’s lives and gets his suit taken away, requiring him to reassess what he really wants, and who he is, in particular the extent to which he views heroism as stopping the bad guy versus helping people. I have no idea how you missed the emotional beat of “then you shouldn’t have it” when Tony takes away the suit, but apparently you really did miss it if you think that the ferry was him just being right,

[@whazee]

The escalation and Spiderman getting higher and higher is brilliant!

[@benconnolly9883]

Love the new logo and channel slogan. A+

[@crabs_are_cute7629]

IDEA: What if as a way to test his web parachute Spidey just decided to take the ferry out to Lady Liberty and jump off riding the parachute down, after testing the voice changer on Childish-Gambino, then Vulture just happens to be on the ferry? Its still a huge coincidence this way but at least spidey gets to have peak new yorker vibes by just casually having to take a ferry in the middle of a training montage.

[@jordanr.4856]

I disagree with moving the monument sequence. However, I do love the final edit where Tombs’ plan is changed to intentionally crash the plane.

[@charlespletzke8311]

Idea: he ends up on the ferry because there are rumors for something to happen, but he doesn’t know that its the arms dealers

[@joeytedesco9032]

Never have I been so excited for one of my favourite movies to be ruined forever by a proposal of something much better. You're my favourite KZbinr.

[@JuulietPod]

I just wish instead of Washington DC they went to a grand reopening of the Statue of Liberty torch or something. The fact that none of his classmates caught on to Peter's identity after that is a bit silly. Additionally it would've made the field trip theme of FFH work better since that didn't already happen.

[@allthingssuper]

I think the Washington sequence actually serves a few purposes. It gives Peter an early victory that gives him the confidence to boost his attempt to rush into big time heroics (and causes him to start acting recklessly), it shows him unlocking new gadgets on his suit before he is even ready for them (and it should be noted that the whole Ferry incident, which I'd argue is the true midpoint of the script even though it happens about 2/3 through the movie, it caused by Peter using Stark's electric web shooters), and, as you mentioned, it has him save Liz, which earns him some respect from the Vulture. While I think the scene is definitely too long (the scenes with him in the damage control vault are excellent, but that scene could have been trimmed down somewhat), I disagree that it adds nothing to the story and I also disagree with the movie lacking a midpoint (the midpoint being the big ferry scene where Peter screws up and has to seriously rethink what kind of hero Spider-Man should be). Still, very well made video, and I agree about Homecoming being one of the most enjoyable films in the MCU.

[@PositivelyNegativeOfficial]

They should hire you to "QA test" these films before they officially release. Every time I watch one of these videos I wish the movies you describe are the ones we actually got. Keep up the fantastic work.

[@FamouzD]

Being on the ferry is the class field trip to the freedom monument. Raising the stakes by putting his friends on the ferry.

[@broadycarter6237]

Maybe giving Liz “a thing for ferry boats” would work to get Peter and Vulture in a scene together. She goes on about them a few times and there’s something valuable on this specific one so Peter goes to get her a souvenir because she has a prior commitment and Vulture wants to acquire the object of value (and created the prior commitment, possibly a family thing she can’t get out of with dialogue like “Trust me, nothing matters more to my dad than family, he’d never let me go on that boat.”). It puts them at odds ideologically on a more personal level because Peter is trying to impress Liz while Vulture is trying to provide for her in spite of having to do something he knows will make her upset. Peter’s simple “make Liz smile” contrasted to Vulture’s “make Liz cry, but only because he wants to provide for her” is a great juxtaposition of their respective maturity levels which fits with the pre-existing theme of “life’s complicated kid, and it’s not a game where you can follow the rule and expect things to work out” in the movie. And it foreshadows the father reveal because of course she’d also go on about the boats at home. Yes, “a thing for ferry boats” came directly out of Grey’s Anatomy, but it works I feel.

[@finnshirley9790]

Love the new icon/channel logo!

[@k.rick_9993]

Love the new logo!!

[@Outkasts156]

One of the best ways to get Peter onto the ferry could be during the Shocker chase. During the chase Peter accidentally shoots a tracer web/device before they escape. Then you get a reason why Peter is exploring more of the suit functions to try and figure out how to track them. It can still be a funny little bit where he gets distracted by all the cool things the suit can do but finally figures out the tracking tech that leads him to the ferry.

[@msfthe1st117]

Peter is on the ferry because either A) it’s part of his daily commute B) he’s running errands for Aunt May.

[@sashafgc]

I had this weird conviction that your video was about Peter ACTUALLY moving the monument. Up until the very end.

[@jacksonbrenton9122]

You know what I like most about this rewrite? Not that it shows me just how unfitting the last big fight with Vulture is, though it does help. Not how even just shuffling some events that the story provides us with higher tensions, though it does help. What I love most about this rewrite, hands down, is that he does not ONCE mention Sam Raimi’s trilogy. Most fans would just compare this film to the original Raimi films by saying that they had more plausibility and better writing, but Nando took the time to not bring up another iteration of Spider-Man as a reason to change something. That detail alone is what I love most about this video.

[@pal98popsi]

You could have Peters club on the boat going to a competition: Maybe they are going to a qualifying round for the competition that they will eventually go to in DC - This raises the stakes and builds on tombs realizing that his daughter keeps getting mysteriously saved by spiderman, and lets him be more suspicious than just "peter was sick when we got saved at the Washington monument"(or to substitute that reason entirely). It also means that it doesn't matter who you have get saved at the Washington monument, if you want it to be a scene with random destruction, and it could be a diplomat or similar to increase the amount of coverage that the event has and therefore give even more of a reason for Tony to be angry at him.

[@roxannegarland1496]

I think it would be interesting if Peter was testing his suit's abilities while crime fighting. Then, he could conceivably run into the Prowler more, and that could lead him to the ferry (maybe Peter recognizes Aaron from the Shocker's arms deal). That would allow for the Interrogation Scene (a personal favorite scene) and more scenes with Prowler!

[@sir.badger6910]

Hey Nando great vid

[@JJ_-fp9sj]

I don't know man, I actually don't like this one. I think the scene where he's scolded by Tony after the ferry is too important and relevant to just change it to a cooled I'm in your house with your hot aunt kind of scene. Although I would leave the final crash change you did.

[@harleykay8829]

I would say the ferry is the midpoint. He leans on the suit, and then he leans on it too much and he loses it. and his viewpoint changes to his focus on being a hero and not just a guy in a suit

[@harleykay8829]

The mid point doesnt have to be in the middle. Yknow? The midpoint is just an idea. Like in a linear perspective drawing. If the vanishing point is right in the middle. It gets boring. Put it a little to the right or the left, everything becomes more interesting

[@thebonanzabanana92]

I like the Vulture part but the ferry is the mid point and it does a lot to move the plot and helps Peter grow if that ferry did t happen at the end he would of beat vulture and shocker way to easily. I know he obviously has powers but the suit would help especially when he is thousands of feet in the air.

[@joshuanorden652]

I don't know how I feel about the rebranding of your channel, the new art and style looks fantastic... but I will always miss that gorgeous purple 😂

[@Wholecorpze]

Sometimes I just whisper to myself: "not unlike my podcast, mostly nitpicking"

[@DarkShadic9632]

Spider-Man Homecoming is just Spider-Man 4 So I LOVE it

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

But if we did get the actual Spider-Man 4 by Sam Raimi it would have been better

[@quikii1273]

@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 um... no

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@quikii1273 yes because Sam raimi's Spider-Man trilogy is still the best no other Spider-Man reboot can ever beat it this is not a debate this is a fact so the fact that we could have gotten the Spider-Man 4 and it would have been great is very unfortunate so don't waste your time arguing

[@chadfurlong2919]

Okay, so I get this critique and I think it is well explained. Buuuut, I am just glad we got Spider-Man on the Washington Monument as well as in the suburbs in this film. Both presented the unique challenge of a lack of things to catch him/swing off of. In the suburbs, it was hilarious. In Washington, it was scary. If he fell and somehow failed to get back to the monument, he would die. Anyway, I get that it was out there narratively, but I love it as a set piece.

[@CooperBurns]

Ima be real I loved your last logo, it was simple but described you. But I’ll go with it because it still looks cool.

[@titussmithiii5813]

I love this

[@dylanbyday4630]

Hi love your videos nando

[@davidjay7116]

Not sure if it lines up timewise (without looking it up, I think it was late), but it feels that dad talk before the dance was the intended mid-point.

[@Spewl_Studios]

I would've thought that rescuing his piers would mean peter would realise just how important spiderman is to the world if his friends are talking to him afterwards when he's not wearing the suit. It shows him that with great power comes great responsibility

[@bradenhill1588]

You could have it be where peter isn’t trying to get involved but he keeps coming into contact with them and so he finds out about the ferry trade and he try’s to tell tony but can’t get ahold of him, decides that he can use this as an opportunity to ether become a better hero or make himself more independent. And then that’s how he ends up there for the trade

[@denisethasder8193]

“The more danger Peter’s in, the higher he gets” 420

[@Zoli5]

I like the refreshed Logo

[@ramonarredondo199]

Marvel needs to run the scripts by you first

[@Armaggedon185]

Cool new logo!

[@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi]

I actually had An idea for how Marvel could’ve portrayed The Vulture in the MCU: How about maybe they could’ve made Adrian Toomes A former Stark Industries employee who worked on military grade flight tech and was the early designer of the Falcon suit, but then when tony shut down the military stuff from 2008 in the first Iron Man film Adrian toomes gets fired and steals avengers tech from tony in the events of homecoming to prove that he was worth something and deserved not to be fired. Therefore, tony would feel responsible and chooses to help spider man take him down, but then tony ends up getting Nearly killed by the Vulture and spider man has to take Vulture down by himself. What do you guys think of that idea? That to me would give Vulture A personal connection to Tony Stark and make him A great antagonist against Spiderman. It would also make Vultures speech towards peter about the rich hit A home run don’t you think Nando? 😁😄🤔

[@TheRiddleMan-ci7hi]

Que_ Millyrock Yeah thanks, and then maybe Scorpion and Shocker would help the Vulture with his plan and tony would recognize the tech of The 3 as Stark tech and The alien tech from the avengers battle.

[@whitegemgames]

My favorite change is the end, it’s a small change, but it the result changing Peter almost causing a 9/11, to Peter preventing a 9/11, and it was something that always bothered me about homecoming.

[@oxydeep9404]

I think it would introduce a new problem for their fight to damage the Washington Monument because Toomes should know that his daughter is visiting there. Is Toomes just going to standby and do nothing after he put his own daughter in danger? For the ferry scene, Peter perhaps could see Mac Gargan just prior to getting on the ferry (doing something illegal), overhear him talk about purchasing powerful weapons, and then put 2 + 2 together. It may give the movie a bit more time to introduce Gargan since I feel like the reveal we got was kind of rushed. Always love your content!

[@wolverine6266]

You’re not allowed to criticize this movie without the holland stans whining at you

[@nathanhall9345]

I love this video! It drives me crazy that they rarely (I think once in the whole movie) give Peter a moment to be clever on his own. It's always someone helping him, someone doing the thinking for him. And I'm not talking about him being given the tech, which is totally fine--although a scene of Peter and Tony collaborating on new functions would be amazing. What I mean is, the AI does most of the thinking for him while he's in the suit. Then he's saved by Tony, and so on. In the course of solving problems that you had with the movie (which I'd agree, makes for a better movie), you also seem to have added chances for Peter to experiment and learn and act on his own, which I love.

[@reeseslightning11]

I always thought when he got the suit taken away was the mid-point. Without the DC sequences, it wouldn't make much sense for Vulture to spare his life since Spiderman saved his daughter - the coincidences were just too great to explain away. He also overcomes his nerves when he's climbing it and is audibly terrified at the situation. I thought it was a great scene because usually most of the Spidermans are so confident in those situations but in Homecoming, he's much more vulnerable even with the suit on. I love hearing Peter psych himself up for those intense moments and really tap into his Spiderman side.