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[@tysondennis1016]

We need Pursuit back. However, if Assist is brought back, it SHOULD NOT be able to call Revival Blessing.

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

It should be given the Dark Void treatment. If the move were to be used on a Pokémon that isn’t Pawmot or Rabsca, it would fail.

[@immortaliron2475]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiastdon’t even need to do that. Assist has moves that can’t be called

[@tysondennis1016]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast Yeah, if they could get it to work like that.

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@immortaliron2475Oh. That’s quite nice then!

[@KindaKaon]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiastyeah but dont make revival blessing 50% accuracy please 🙏

[@9Destra]

UPDATE: Tail Glow came back on Manaphy in S/V. This means Xurkitree might get it too

[@DylanIsChillin08]

Got bad news for ya, bro

[@raptorrixx99-wv2hl]

I will never get over Return being cut. :( A move that embodies one of the cores ideals of Pokémon, being a trainers bond with their Pokémon, and it was sent to the fossil record in galar :( So many normal types got CRIPPLED from this. Snorlax, Lopunny, Diggersby, Kangaskhan, Linoone, etc. Just, why? :(

[@mind336]

rip stoutland

[@mighty9003]

Rip my mama bear. maxed return to put whatever it was against in Korea range if it didn't just kill it. Man a tail wind suicide setter into a max return cannon is fun to use. Not the best strat but really fun.

[@mariofan1ish]

Sawsbuck was never particularly amazing to begin with, but now it basically got its one decent Normal STAB sent to the graveyard.

[@GameFreakSucks]

My boi braviary as well

[@9Destra]

Did you know that Vespiquen’s Heal Order and Defend Order got cut? This is weird bc Vespiquen was not only in SW/SH, but also bc it got to keep Attack Order

[@borismuller86]

Defend Order wasn’t cut, and it still gets Roost. Honestly, that’s pretty good compared to others.

[@jpshy1130]

Heal order is just cooler roost, and it doesn’t get rid of ur flying type, and it Alr exists so why remov eit

[@elliotw.888]

​@@jpshy1130getting rid of your flying type is good to avoid super effective electric and ice type attacks

[@TheCrazyhusky]

Seriously I'm still puzzled as to why they removed Signal Beam, it was a decent special bug type coverage move. Many electric types like Ampharos and Jolteon got it. They need more special bug type moves there aren't many outside Bug Buzz, You only have Silver Wind and Struggle bug, both are weaker than Signal beam.

[@CaptainObliviousV]

Another Signal Beam enjoyer! It was also the only bug type move that could cause confusion!

[@borismuller86]

Silver Wind got cut too 😞

[@TheCrazyhusky]

@@CaptainObliviousV I know right, its such a weird move to get rid of, when there are clones of moves that mostly went unused. They want people to use special attacking bug types or moves but they now lack STAB moves on the special until they Bug buzz in the late game. Signal beam should have had MORE pokemon learn it rather that cutting the move from game.

[@TheEternalLightning]

Them Cutting Signal Beam and Silver Wind is just stupid

[@BramLastname]

Volbeat getting both its signature moves deleted, Its really a shadow of its former self. (Who am I kidding? people can still use it for Sunny Day and STAB U-Turn, so it doesn't really change anything.)

[@Slaking_]

For Singles players, none were anywhere near as destructive as the removal of Pursuit. Gen 8 and now Gen 9 have been absolutely dominated by powerful ghost types, and Pursuit would do a lot to keep them in check.

[@bluetrip_]

HP was arguably as relevant in my stupid brain dumb opinion. Also, dark types have been incredible for the last two gens, and buffing them in any remotely universal way would proooobably be very bad for singles metas.

[@gloopiu]

Pursuit kingambit sounds terrifying

[@jonathanruiz1524]

imagine Pursuit on Chien-Pao

[@borismuller86]

@@bluetrip_honestly I’ve been sad that Pursuit was removed, but I never considered how much stronger it would make Dark types, rather than just weakening Ghosts.

[@baxterbruce9827]

Hot take: Give us Pursuit AND a Special equivalent, then make sure Pokemon that learn either favor the other stat

[@anglure3617]

I never even considered the fact that Eternabeam was cut because of Eternamax Eternatus' model, that's so sad

[@manelneedsaname1773]

Wish they just made the lasers come out of a black cloud or something

[@finnfiasco]

It was replaced with Outrage, too, which has lower base damage and is physical. Dreadful trade off.

[@Kyumifun]

​@@manelneedsaname1773or have the camera not follow Eternatus and it would only show the beams rain down on the target.

[@enzomercier2789]

Or, transition to a black scene where nothing would cause issue with the model.

[@gabebaum6527]

I didn't even know Tail Glow had been removed. Damn that really sucks.

[@Skellyy]

It’s back volbeat coming to a nu tier near you

[@warmwater9509]

A fun fact: The move "Light Of Ruin" may not ring a bell, since it's exclusive to an event only Eternal Flower form of Floette, which was never distributed. However, this move is fully coded into Scarlet/Violet, implying we may in the future be able to obtain this pokemon!

[@OPGardevoir]

It's such a tragedy that we never got AZ's floette and the fact that they keep coding it in is like a kick in the teeth

[@Kyumifun]

Tbf everything that's removed is always in the codes of every game even if they aren't ultimately added to the games.

[@warmwater9509]

@@Kyumifun moves such as pursuit do not have code in the game outside of the description saying it cannot be used. this move does have code for what it does

[@TheRedSmarty]

​@@OPGardevoir Well, the actual form is not coded into SV and it was removed from HOME's form data some time ago.

[@Highstar25]

​@@Kyumifunthe really strange part is that not only does light of ruin have a unique animation, that animation has received a few visual updates.

[@seriousquil7161]

I always hated the fact that Signal Beam is and still gone, the fact that it’s hard enough for quite bit electric types can’t get a diverse attacking set like Jolteon and Magnezone but also that it’s another unique bug type move with it’s secondary effect, decent power, gave me ways to pester more dark and psychic types with my special attackers

[@tuxedotoad4160]

I miss signal beam. It gave so many Pokémon coverage that didn’t have a lot of.

[@commandergs1390]

Yeah, I agree

[@antoniopriego5660]

It's weird because many of the moves deleted were useless or gimmicky so it's fair to say why they were deleted. But signal beam was just an usual attacking move. It's like if they deleted iron tail or something like that

[@BramLastname]

It was also the best STAB move for most of the Bug types that could use it.

[@nintendosega100]

Bug isn’t the easiest type to have coverage for which is why the removal of Signal Beam baffles me.

[@scp-phenomenon014]

They be hating on my underrated squad 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@korokcorrosion4633]

Powder is a move I really hope we get back, it was niche as hell but it has a super unique mechanic and it was really fun to mess with all the mega charizards when it was around.

[@planetsheena9288]

Exactly this!! I used it as a lead vs Mega Zard Y usually with Friend Guard alongside an Assault Vest Machamp running Dynamic Punch, Rock Slide, Fire Blast & Focus Blast

[@obiwancannoli1920]

​@@planetsheena9288mixed machamp is crazy

[@raphaelkhoury218]

Oh My God! Jesus-Christ! Really? I used to run a Ribombee with Powder, along with a Vivillion with Powder, as these two Pokemon were the only pokemon capable of learning theses moves in gen 7...I used Ribombee and Vivillion with Alolan Ninetails with Aurora Veil, and Alolan Sandslash with Substitute, Swords Dance, Icicle Crash and Earthqauke, with Leftovers.... I would set up Arauro Veil with Alolan Ninetails, then Substitute with Alolan Sandslash, then Swords Dance and sweep thanks to Icicle Crash, Earthquake for coverage and the ability Slush Rush for speed... I would use Follow Me on Alolan Ninetails i think, to redirect all attacks to it... It wad kind of bad coming from me, but if Alolan Ninetails fainted i would send in Ribombee, and either use Powder on the pokemon i expect to use Fire moves, or attack or heal my Alolan Sandlash with Pollen Puff (another really great not very popular move!), i could also send in Vivillion if Ribombee fainted, and as it had the move Hurricane i could attack most Fighting-type pokemon super-effectively, along with having a Focus Sash i think... I also had Mega Scizor in the back if the battle was not going in my favor, it had Bullet Punch and Bug Bite i think... I also had Tapu Koko in the last slot on my team i think... My Alolan Ninetails also had Blizzard and Moonblast for attacking early game! Ok, my team was kind of a bit weird, but i had a LOT of fun with it when my strategy worked! Using Powder on all these Inceneroars in Gen 7 was hilarious! They would attack themselves instead of us! My team might be gimmicky, but it was so much fun to battle with it! This Pokemon Team prtty much made me like Doubles Gen 7 OU as a format ! All of this was played on Pokemon Showdown, kind of illegally if you ask me, as i couldn't buy a Pokemon game! But Holy Trinityl! I have pretty memories playing with these Pokemon! ❤

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

I've been making a mod for showdown and my first moveset change has been handing Powder out like hotcakes to various mons that it fit thematically for (mostly bugs and Cyndaquil [totally because of its fiery fur and not because it's my favourite starter and needed a little extra touch-up to its moveset or anything...])

[@totalphantasm]

Tbf if I recall the lore correctly, eternatus simply cannot gather the dynamax energy needed to use the move in Paldea because the energy specifically came from the Galar continent

[@typemasters2871]

One move that I am sad that got removed was silver wind Yes bug buzz exists but it’s not as flashy Volcarona using silver wind: can create an elegant cloud of glitter Volcarona using bug buzz: it’s just a loud obnoxious noise

[@OdysseyExe]

Yet we keep the most irritating of all.. Infestation. I hate that one

[@typemasters2871]

@@OdysseyExe yeah, the target is infested but by what? Can’t be insects because insect Pokémon aren’t that small, what’s the infestation is is smaller than the smallest bug type Then again I might just be thinking too much into the implications of Pokemon moves

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

@@typemasters2871joltiks

[@youtube-kit9450]

It's funny they removed the ancient power clones probably because of stupid omniboost fishing or something, but couldn't remove the original because they had tied evolutions to that.

[@typemasters2871]

@@youtube-kit9450 well they could just remove the secondary effect, maybe increase the moves power as a result of removing the secondary effect, because Rock type only has 3 special attacking moves that aren’t tied to gimmicks such as Z moves or Max moves (Ancient Power, Power Gem, Meteor Beam)

[@brooksyang5834]

I feel that people understate the importance of pursuit being removed. While it may be really bad in doubles, it was one of the most important ways to keep mons in check. Mons like calyrex shadow, or dragapult would not be nearly as broken if pursuit was in the game.

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

tera messes with this a little but yeah

[@Kyumifun]

And Gholdengo wouldn't be so meta in gen 9

[@danyg5639]

@@supremechaosbeing2696still you essentially force a tera which is very good in a meta where Kingambit is on so many teams

[@ispeakcockney]

Now, imagine Kingambit and Chien Pao with pursuit

[@kotzer71]

Pursuit was less checking ghost and psychic mons and more like handicapping them

[@StickMaster500]

Another move that randomly got cut between generations was Woobat's signature move, Heart Stamp. The strange thing about this is that not only did Heart Stamp get cut in Sword and Shield but Woobat was a Pokemon you *_can_* catch in Sword and Shield essentially striping away it's identity for no real reason.

[@SoftwareLearningify]

I didn’t even notice it got cut 💀

[@tonberry2670]

Eeeh Simple Nasty Plot and Calm Mind would be more in line with Swoobat's ACTUAL identity

[@borismuller86]

Honestly though it’s just a weaker version of Zen Headbutt.

[@shinybreloom4027]

​@@tonberry2670that's not important to the lore...

[@elemangell2981]

Heal Order also got cut despite Vespiquen being in the game too. It still has Attack and Defend Order even in S/V, but it's still a bit of a shame that its signature identity isn't as complete as it once was.

[@TLPenenn]

Return and Frustration were likely cut because of how Friendship mechanics changed starting with Gen 8.

[@baxterbruce9827]

Wait DID they change? I didn't know that

[@mariofan1ish]

GF: "We're changing the way Friendship works in the new games, so we're deleting Return and Frustration." "Just update the moves so they function with the new mechanics?" GF: "No."

[@PunishedFelix]

Imagine hating your boy unown so much you take away it's only move 😢

[@Leet-iz2fz]

A deleted move I miss even if it wasn't that big was Sky Uppercut. It's a Fighting-type attack that can hit opponents in the middle of a semi-invulnerable Flying-type move. Useless since they probably are Flying-type and thus resist it? Probably. But flavor-wise, it's a massive fighting game reference - jumping uppercuts like the Shoryuken are typically useful as "anti-airs" to knock a jumping opponent out of the air.

[@mlpfanboy1701]

Instead of removing it, they should have buffed it, if it was used on a flying or bouncing Pokemon it should bypass accuracy check and deal double damage.

[@th3celestial]

Imo pursuit is more impactful than hidden power in singles. It singlehandedly kept a lot of super broken fast paced threats, especially ghost types, in check. Without pursuit ghost types became free to spam ghost stab, with far less answers than in previous gens. As for psychic types... Most psychic types get rocked by the ghost threats that became viable after pursuit's removal. There's only two in OU at the moment, namely dragapult and gholdengo, but that's because they outclass pretty much all other ghosts currently.

[@windwaker0rules]

Maybe because of Tera Blast which is basically "new" hidden power. But before that it really crushed some pokemon into lower tiers because they couldn't break past things like ferothorn with hp fire or electrics being able break landorus-t

[@graceholbert2126]

Flutter Mane tho??

[@KiLLKiNDLY]

1 move shouldn't be so powerful and widely distributed that it keeps 2 whole types in check. I'm happy it's gone. Now they just need to make better mons of other types

[@windwaker0rules]

@@KiLLKiNDLY you know how the type chart works right? Ghost is good not just because "the pokemon is good" its a busted type generally its only resisted by dark and normal type is awful. ghost fighting has no resists outside of ghost types. its dragon type all over again.

[@KiLLKiNDLY]

@@windwaker0rules So what they made a couple busted Ghost mons this gen? It's about time they were some solid ghost types, if they didn't make busted ghost types you'd be complaining about something else broken they made like dracovish. It's how GF work they make absurdly broken sh*t and say deal with it. Now we can finally just add phsycic and ghost types to be viable sweepers without being pursuit trapped

[@scooteezy]

The moves I miss are rock slides and hydro pumps tbh

[@MoxieBoosted]

Lmao

[@scp-phenomenon014]

But he hits every focus blast and hypnosis so that's a win

[@kalarse]

Return/Frustration probably were due the fact rental teams were going to be a thing, and GF did not wanna mess with dealing on how that would work lol

[@nihildwo4874]

didn t they also change how friendshipp worked?

[@MD-vs9ff]

It's not that hard. You'd just have the Friendship value be stored with the Pokemon.

[@Primarina.]

Pursuit was my favorite move for honchkrow. it was literally my UU trump card for OU. you didnt know if I would sucker punch or pursuit (mind games) and with that moxie ability, it quickly snowballed to a sweeping pokemon. heck ive even brought it to Ubers and beaten legendaries.

[@WardofSquid]

Its so insane that a move as essential to Competitive as Pursuit was removed! Such a sad blow

[@Placeholder501]

I miss Signal Beam. It makes for some nice special bug coverage. I was disappointed when I learned Jolteon couldn’t learn it starting with Let’s Go. It really could of used it instead of having both Thunder and Thunderbolt when I played Let’s Go Eevee and used all eeveelutions in a playthrough.

[@gratefuldeadmau5610]

Back to gen 1 jolteon pin missle strats

[@fatterhorner]

pin missile didn't exist in gen 1

[@Fr4yDay]

I don’t think Eternamax’s model is why the move was removed. They could’ve just changed the animation to Eternatus flying up, beams raining down, and Eternatus lands back down. But then again, I also don’t have a reason for why they removed it, so who knows? Speaking of Eternabeam, wouldn’t it have been A LOT more useable if it hit both opponents in a double battle? It’s a rain of exploding beams, why does it only hit one Pokemon?!

[@BramLastname]

It only hits one pokemon because it's what the other ones do.

[@SoftwareLearningify]

I need minior back, it’s my favorite rock type closely followed by archeops rampardos and cradily and I need to use it in competetive lol (most of the time singles tho )

[@Aeirion]

Minior fans are hard to find, but we are strong ❤

[@BeanyBoi06]

I had no clue minior existed until I got swept by it in natdex last week

[@SourSalmon]

Minor is so unique. I love all those Minors!!!

[@reloadtoad]

Minior is one of my favourites as well

[@SoftwareLearningify]

@@BeanyBoi06 lol, I use it in nat dex UU, really fun to use there

[@ThisIsChris-Anime]

Even as a mostly casual player, Return being gone is so annoying.

[@Twigggggy]

i miss snatch so f***ing much like they should reintroduce it with +3 priority

[@CrocvsGator]

Now I'm imagining Unown being brought back, but not Hidden Power. Just send a letter out to struggle itself to death.

[@BramLastname]

Suddenly Unown learns Nature Power instead.

[@scp-phenomenon014]

Some psychopath would find a way to make it work

[@TotallyCluelessGamer]

My favorite move being removed was probably Feint Attack because Gamefreak took the move away from everyone, bumped its base power up to 80, and then gave it to the Impidimp line's evolved Pokemon as their signature move. Gotta love recycling, eh?

[@rhinastocroc-boulet5189]

Also gave that move to Kingambit specifically and gave it 5 more to the base power

[@battleoftheremote3119]

RIP Flame Burst. Not good in competitive but was an early usable Fire Type move for Growlithe and I loved it so eh

[@Snickerway]

The worst part is that Double Team and Minimize continue to exist even thought they should have been the first ones in the cutting room. From Gens 2-7 the only justification for their continued existence was the fact that no moves had ever been removed. By all means they should have been gone in SS and never come back.

[@MultiZernez]

fr minimize and double team are the most annoying and unfair thing to play against

[@charliez077]

I wouldn't mind Evasion moves BUT there are just not enough natural counters against them!! and ppl should only be able to use them like TWICE

[@mlpfanboy1701]

And yet they decided to remove foresight, oder sluth and magic eye which are the counters to them.

[@hands-ongaming7180]

@@mlpfanboy1701no way 😮

[@kosmaukaszczyk8401]

Wouldnt it be simplier to Just ban certain moves from tournaments

[@pokatana4130]

2:32 when I heard that frustration was optimal, this just implies that Pro players don’t treat their Pokémon with respect and more as tools 😢

[@picante403]

Welcome to Competitive Pokemon where your feelings do not matter!

[@MD-vs9ff]

The opposite actually. Th epoint is that other player's POkemon are likely to be max happiness unless they've gone out of their way to minimize it. So if your Snorlax gets Ditto'ed, you'd rather it have a mnimum power Frustration than a maximum power Return.

[@goGothitaLOL]

R.I.P. Technician HP Fire/Ice Roserade 2013-2019

[@artisan_cane]

RIP signal beam

[@eduvbs]

Snatch was so fucking necessary now, I really dont understand how they think its balance to keep Prankster Tailwind running unpunished like that

[@OmegaX5000]

I feel like they could've kept Eternabeam if it were made into a cutscene attack. That way, you wouldn't have to worry about Eternamax Eternatus' model clipping anywhere. It pretty much is one anyway.

[@cadetjones9205]

I miss Bubble, it was such a joke move, how could they keep splash, but get rid of the Majestic single Bubble that somehow annihilated every rock gym.

[@sportswithrobot]

Power up punch. I used to alternate between power up punch and drain punch. I used it to keep up offensive pressure while passively setting up stronger and stronger heals.

[@scp-phenomenon014]

HONESTLY such a valid combo, bet it would have been a nightmare with assault vest or something lol Edit; does Lucario get meteor mash and drain punch? It's not the best but it might do

[@ATRichard]

They took Power Up Punch out of the game!? That’s criminal! (I don’t have S&V so I wouldn’t know)

[@ElecManEXE]

The most annoying removals to me are the various lower-power moves that have been cut over the years. Yeah, they aren't competetively useful, but it makes training pokemon far less interesting when the pool of lower power moves they can learn as they grow is much more shallow. Competetive and endgame ain't everything. Some of the support removals that saw limited use and were thus cut are kind of a bummer now that raids are a thing and support has a wider reach. Like, during the Samurott event I went looking for a Lucky Chant user only to find that had been cut. Mud and Water Sport could be interesting in raids, also gone. Ditto for Foresight / Odor Sleuth / Magic Eye. Telekinesis could be fun raid support, gone. Even something like Rototiller could be very handy for specific raid situations. Also as other people have mentioned, Signal Beam. Really not sure why they needed to remove that one, it was a serviceable coverage option on a lot of pokemon and a mid-level special bug attack between Struggle Bug and Bug Buzz. I guess it could be because it started out as a signiture move on Volbeat so they just cut it when that got Dexit'd, but I feel like it definitely could have stuck around.

[@gemguy5951]

10:05 if anything, that would acctually be pretty on brand for SV

[@theartofnina]

The removal of return is heartbreaking for me, it was my favorite move. I looked for it everywhere while playing Violet :c Hidden Power was also a really cool move and I loved trying to figure out what hidden power type my pokemon had

[@andrewmolk8557]

Genuinely convinced the HP removal was in prep for Tera to help push the concept

[@1992holycrap]

It *does* look pretty suspicious, not gonna lie...

[@BestgirlJordanfish]

I kinda hope Powder comes back, but as a single-use hazard on the enemy side if either side uses fire. Gives some strategy, and some bug + fire synergy. Pursuit and Snatch I would like back. It really helped that dark type fantasy that throat chop and knock off nailed. I absolutely do not miss hidden power. I hated looking for the right type.

[@SirToastyToes]

Hidden Power was also a nightmare unless you RNG in most cases until its base power was fixed.

[@Aquilenne]

and even when it was it was still a big pain as one more thing to RNG on top of the perfect IVs. I did a bit in gen 6 with the friend safari, the held item that let you pass down 3+ perfect IVs on one pokemon, and fixed Hidden Power Base Damage, I don't know how people actually managed to keep their sanity breeding optimal pokemon before gen 6, especially the ones going for either mixed attackers who needed 6 perfect IVs or special attackers who go for 5 perfect IVs and one 0 IV in attack.

[@aaronolson6736]

I feel like Dynamax cannon (as well as Behemoth Blade/Bash) could be reclaimed by keeping it that they are double effective VS a Pokemon that has terastalized. Being a 100-100 move isn't bad, but being stripped of their purpose makes the moves feel lacking, especially when compared to other primary legendaries.

[@manelneedsaname1773]

Either that or extra damage in raids, I need that back

[@baxterbruce9827]

They should just have double power in raids, applying the effect to Terastal would make no sense from a lore standpoint, plus it would open the gate to apply to Megas and any Pokemon With A Z Crystal which doesn't sound fun since that just means "Use mechanics to get punished." Edit: Typo

[@aaronolson6736]

@@baxterbruce9827 while I get the concern, that was the moves identity. Maybe 50% increase since everything else isn't on a timer

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@aaronolson6736 I don't think any move's intended identity has been "This is here to punish people for using the regional mechanic" even those moves that dealt extra Dynamax damage effectively only dealt REGULAR damage because of the increased health

[@yalegreninja]

This doesn't have any sense because Dynamax allows you to double your HP, while Terastalization just changes your type. Behemoth Blade would be a 200 base power move with stab and potentially with the Intrepid Sword boost against a "normal" Pokémon with normal HP

[@AstroPC96]

I think it's Ironic that Return never returned to later Pokemon games!😂

[@laterferaligatr2947]

As a singles player, i miss Heart Swap Magearna...i used to love using it to take Xerneas' Geomancy boosts and sweep teams.

[@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507]

ttars pursuit being removed is criminal...but the fact that he knows all the punches EXCEPT the dark type sucker punch as a dark type is hilarious. Bug bite from scissor is also criminal since bugs always get shafted

[@Dunsparce206]

Sucker Punch wasn't an actual punching move(It isn't boosted by Iron Fist or anything). It's Japanese name is Ambush. This is also why stuff like Electrode could learn it via the Gen IV Move Tutor but not Hitmonchan(Hilariously Hitmonlee and Hitmontop could both learn it though)

[@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507]

@@Dunsparce206 hm well it's still dark type priority and ttar lost his pursuit so it should still get it considering they did him dirty with 8 weaknesses

[@user-sm3uu6fb1f]

The only two ways Eternabeam can resurface in gen 9 is A. The boring option by sizing the model down to fit or B. Make an entire animation regardless of the surroundings

[@Brainfly-]

So many Normal 'mons were left with no good physical STAB with the removal of Return/Frustration and it makes me sad.

[@KINTOKI_EX]

Pursuit was really good in 3v3 singles. Like really good

[@cosmic12321]

Toxic thread. Such an underrated move. If a competent mon got it outside of Spinarak line, it'd be a godsend.

[@aaronolson6736]

Gastrodon, Cradily, Octillery, Shuckle, Venomoth, Dustox, Beedrill, and maybe Venusaur are all the mons with access to String Shot that could have Toxic Thread.

[@CaptainObliviousV]

I’d nominate Spidops if it actually had good stats

[@borismuller86]

@@CaptainObliviousVSpidops doesn’t need good stats, it has a great movepool.

[@CaptainObliviousV]

@@borismuller86 yeah it’s move pool is definitely great, but it’s held back by its stats though. When your two highest stats by a decent margin are a 92 and 86 in Defense & Sp. Defense respectively, that’s gen 1 bug levels of rough.

[@shatteredsentient5321]

​@@CaptainObliviousVGameFreak: Spidops now has Pursuit

[@legitimatefbr9714]

They should have just made Eternabeam without the E-Max Eternatus model. Just make Eternatus fly up, the lasers shine down on the target and then Eternatus returns.

[@theoverseer393]

IF HIDDEN POWER RETURNS: it should do damage based on the higher stat of the two: Special/Physical

[@mattwalker5689]

Frankly, the fact that removed moves are in BDSP is probably more laziness than anything else.

[@nakano8412]

I didn't even know that Eternatus had that move in the first place, I've been living under a rock

[@W33SNAW]

10:07 “without it looking bugged or clipping into geometry” Since when has that stopped them 💀

[@ragnaricstudios5888]

Any Pokémon can become super strong through Tera Blast, that’s HP on steroids

[@KindaKaon]

Gen 7 Lax would be a cool video, especially since it was a perfect storm with the clutch berries and everything really coming together to create an entirely broken sweeper for at least one generation. Great vid as always

[@SnoFitzroy]

still not as busted as gen 2

[@nunull6427]

Miss old protean x.x

[@mdudegamer]

The move removals to me has always been what Dexit was to a lot of other people. Fortunately, we have seen that some moves are eligible to return in certain games, as Legends Arceus game us back Silver Wind and Ominous Wind for a little while.

[@hexbug101]

Volbeat prankster baton pass is fun, also counter + quick attack gave it a pseudo fear set. For the last move it got nice options like tailwind, encore and thunder wave. Was super fun to mess with before nat dex ag was obliterated by revive cats and tera shedinja Edit: forgot that I already had 4 moves before the listed extra options, also partially because I messed with different moves, instead of quick attack, which was in reality was moreso for picking off sash mons. Counter tended to finish off things anyway so quick attack was the move that would be swapped out for the moves listed above

[@RiverWilliamson]

I should have taught my toxic space parasite the big ol' beam move

[@glacierwolf2155]

I have a theory that some moves, like Pursuit and Sky Drop, were culled because they were incompatible with Dynamax.

[@caseydewitt6236]

But yet Heavy Slam and Pluck remained.

[@uberculex]

Sky drop had turn cheese and pursuit was probably dropped so their new legendaries could be strong (being part psychics). Also, pursuit plus things like U-Turn to get them in can eradicate the existence of anything weak to dark.

[@scp-phenomenon014]

​@@uberculexl + bozos + just make the pokemon have the secondary type balance its weaknesses if it matters so much 💀

[@kdash2657]

I love video like these. Keep them coming, chief 👍👍

[@vulpinitemplar5036]

Eternabeam in the footage you provided has an all black background, it's pretty easy to just render it and it's beam above the terrain even if it's only for the cinematic part :b

[@atrixmj]

This is the best video on KZbin about Pokémon.

[@MoxieBoosted]

Unbiased

[@atrixmj]

​@@MoxieBoostednever biased a day of my life 😤😤😤

[@bendy981]

It makes sense to cut down on some of the moves that have about 10 other better alternatives but there was no good reason to remove these really unique moves no matter how viable or widely used they are

[@conorb.1901]

Honestly, I'm glad hidden power is gone. I wouldn't wish hidden power breeding on my worst enemy. If it does ever come back in a mainline game, I hope they take the Legends Arceus route and make it super effective versus everything, but it's still Unown exclusive.

[@squirtleturtle6256]

I miss Vespiqueens special moves like Heal Order and there was one more I think Attack Order was deleted. She wasn’t great but it made her fun to use having special unique moves.

[@youtube-kit9450]

Heal and Defend were deleted. Attack was kept.

[@Thomas-ev4gm]

Honestly I figured this channel already had a couple hundred thousand subscribers the quality is so damn good

[@MoxieBoosted]

God I wish.

[@cherrychocolate1434]

Can we talk about them removing one of Vespiquen's signature moves? Like, they let her keep Defend Order and Attack Order... But they didn't let her keep her unique recovery move, Heal Order. Which is just such a strange choice.

[@Scoo212]

Let's be real, 90% of these moves were removed because they didn't have time to add some of the more complex moves due to time restraints

[@BramLastname]

They literally had to put in the time to remove these moves, Nothing about how these moves work makes them malfunction in the gen 8 and 9 games, They just removed them to deny hackers the ability to experiment with them.

[@youtube-kit9450]

To be fair, 90% of removed moves were super niche gimmick moves no one used or random low-power holdovers from generations ago that I already asked myself why that move existed, like razor wind or constrict. There still are about a dozen-two where I thought "why the hell would they remove that move" but most of them? Barely everyone will miss them.

[@mlpfanboy1701]

@@youtube-kit9450i miss foresight, i miss it a-lot. The only way i wont is if they give us fighting and normal moves that are actually super effective against ghost types.

[@TheAweDude1]

I just wish we got a 100 bp Normal move. I'm tired of looking at the various Normal physical attackers, and needing to either skimp out on power with Body Slam, succumb to recoil with Double Edge, or run an Orb with Facade.

[@relo999]

It's honestly great HP is gone for both balance reasons and just sheer annoyance of breeding. It basically gave every special attacker between good and great coverage, at that point you can't really make a mon that has a clear weakness in coverage. Not to mention it became a guessing game for the opponent, which seems to be a pattern with the moves removed as loads where simply "random damage in some way"-type moves. Terablast is far more predictable, less powerful and has no breeding jank and applicable for every pokemon, not just special attackers.

[@charliez077]

100%, I am SO glad HP is gone (or it can come back BUT the type has to be in-game changeable)

[@reneantoniorodriguezippoli7561]

in my opinion I would like hidden power to return when the Tera is removed in generation 10 but I suggest this rework: hidden power: normal type 85 BP (special) 100% accuracy This move becomes a physical attack if the user's Attack is greater than its Special Attack The reason why I increased the power from 60 to 85 is because now whether you want to switch types will depend on whether you have one of the "Arceus tables" equipped or items like Charcoal and its counterparts on other types. In my case, I consider that it is balanced to have a movement of 85 BP of STAB or 102 BP (in its use of elemental coverage) because you are forced to use a specific object

[@Will1amFord]

They tried to remove splash. But nothing happened.

[@play_matt]

Just imagine if you could loaded dice Comet punch in gen 9....

[@emred4653]

gonna miss running return lopunny with max friendship in my playthroughs

[@zinzolin14]

The fact a lot of these moves were removed right were also being frequently seen in 2017 VGC can't be a coincidence.

[@CNightmare072]

5:06 Fun fact! My 1st team in SuMo VGC was a team with both Aerodactyl/Koko. I trained Koko to be 1 speed point lower than Aero, so I could land Sky Drop w/ Aero & combo into consistent unprotected one-shots with Electrium Z Koko Apparently a Korean team perfected the idea w/ Mega Aero & substitute Xurkitree in USUM, and I think that’s awesome. RIP Sky Drop 🫡

[@grrgrrgrr0202]

I so think that the removal of Return/Frustration is likely because tying a move's effect to friendship makes the move needlessly untransparent and is just a silly idea in general.

[@eduvbs]

And that Frustration is competitively better than Return, it likes send the wrong message in a kids game imo

[@misirtere9836]

Nah, the actual reason is because in Gen 8, the Friendship and Affection mechanics were merged, so now you can only get to 170/255 without cooking curry. I'm serious, that's almost certainly the real reason. They changed how the numbers work and couldn't be assed verifying the move would still be functional.

[@isaiahomarihill8736]

The editing on these videos is so good “it’s free real estate had me rolling”😭

[@LloomiDreamz]

Tail glow returned in S/V later patches (According to Bulbapedia)

[@esotericpince]

love these videos. my ipad baby brain needs constant stimulation to be able to play pokemon (when the vyvanse wears off ❤) so its nice to have in the background during my omega ruby playthough

[@saltydolphin]

ok but lets be honest, removing hidden power was one of the best decisions Pokemon has ever made.

[@Mijzelffan]

Personally I think divecats was a more important usage of assist than voidcats, especially very annoying to face on showdown

[@MoxieBoosted]

VGC video

[@Mijzelffan]

@@MoxieBoosted you've never run into one of those liepard + purrloin teams? It should be noticed that back then showdown didn't have the vgc timers yet so you couldn't stall them out

[@MoxieBoosted]

@Mijzelffan my bad replied to the wrong comment. Someone asked why pursuit wasn't focused on as much. But yeah I could've also mentioned dive cats for sure

[@Interiorcrocodilealigator10838]

The tapu’s were def originally leaked to have the terrain signature moves

[@Furretingmareep]

Tail Glow: "I'm Back Honey~~~"

[@mysticpumpkin8520]

Tbh as necessary as hidden power was in some mons.....personally I am glad is removed over how much of a pain it was to breed for (and to balance with Dynamax) And rn we have Tera beam and that one is prettier anyways

[@CaptainObliviousV]

Not to mention the move had been outdated for over a decade by the time it finally left. In gen 2 & 3 wether the move was physical or special depended on the type, so it technically had the physical/special split before gen 4, and then was locked purely to special once the split did happen with no physical equivalent ever being made. And then when fairy was introduced, it couldn’t be that type, and if they had tried fixing that it’d likely screw over tons of Pokémon that people had bred for specific HP types.

[@haroldnecmann7040]

I sensed no pain when bred my hidden power mons.

[@marceloasensiofilho3833]

Pursuit was a interesting move and gimmick that is very healthy for the metagame. Also if this was really in importance order Pursuit should be earlier

[@SausagecatChannel]

Takin Return away from Dunsparce. They knew was just too OP a combination for this world.

[@wario1226]

I'm a big Xurkitree stan. In singles, I used to use a Psychic-Z with hypnosis, which would boost your speed +1 as well as the sleep. Then on the next turn, Tail Glow while they snooze or switch. With thunderbolt and a coverage move, it was really easy to sweep from there. I miss my boy.

[@commandergs1390]

Me too…

[@BramLastname]

While I'm neither a fan nor hater when it comes to Xurkitree, Mah boi Volbeat got both its signature moves deleted and that's not okay.

[@James2210]

It's weird how Z moves were removed after only 1 generation. Especially the pokemon specific ones like snorlax and mew, considering how hard to get they were.

[@MoxieBoosted]

I mean they were z moves so they weren't likely to be continued cross gen anyways

[@hands-ongaming7180]

Lack of popularity and it was gimmicky

[@zachg.9075]

The power of a good thumbnail, I haven't watched one of your videos in awhile.

[@MoxieBoosted]

Peep the playlist at the end. There's a lot of content like this now

[@LordVex47]

Would love to see the Snorlax vid, it would be pretty slick to get pursuit back

[@vicctretamaj7289]

I miss Snatch Incineroar bro…such a dope ass move

[@Arknautikore]

Is there a link/list of every deleted move? I’m very interested to see them all