Pokemon's DELETED Moves...

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@9Destra
@9Destra Жыл бұрын
UPDATE: Tail Glow came back on Manaphy in S/V. This means Xurkitree might get it too
@DylanIsChillin08
@DylanIsChillin08 11 ай бұрын
Got bad news for ya, bro
@dinosarah_rawr
@dinosarah_rawr 3 ай бұрын
What about Volbeat?? That's what matters the most!
@tysondennis1016
@tysondennis1016 Жыл бұрын
We need Pursuit back. However, if Assist is brought back, it SHOULD NOT be able to call Revival Blessing.
@TwilightChomperEnthusiast
@TwilightChomperEnthusiast Жыл бұрын
It should be given the Dark Void treatment. If the move were to be used on a Pokémon that isn’t Pawmot or Rabsca, it would fail.
@immortaliron2475
@immortaliron2475 Жыл бұрын
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiastdon’t even need to do that. Assist has moves that can’t be called
@tysondennis1016
@tysondennis1016 Жыл бұрын
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast Yeah, if they could get it to work like that.
@TwilightChomperEnthusiast
@TwilightChomperEnthusiast Жыл бұрын
@@immortaliron2475Oh. That’s quite nice then!
@KindaKaon
@KindaKaon Жыл бұрын
@@TwilightChomperEnthusiastyeah but dont make revival blessing 50% accuracy please 🙏
@raptorrixx99-wv2hl
@raptorrixx99-wv2hl Жыл бұрын
I will never get over Return being cut. :( A move that embodies one of the cores ideals of Pokémon, being a trainers bond with their Pokémon, and it was sent to the fossil record in galar :( So many normal types got CRIPPLED from this. Snorlax, Lopunny, Diggersby, Kangaskhan, Linoone, etc. Just, why? :(
@mind336
@mind336 Жыл бұрын
rip stoutland
@mighty9003
@mighty9003 Жыл бұрын
Rip my mama bear. maxed return to put whatever it was against in Korea range if it didn't just kill it. Man a tail wind suicide setter into a max return cannon is fun to use. Not the best strat but really fun.
@mariofan1ish
@mariofan1ish 10 ай бұрын
Sawsbuck was never particularly amazing to begin with, but now it basically got its one decent Normal STAB sent to the graveyard.
@GameFreakSucks
@GameFreakSucks 9 ай бұрын
My boi braviary as well
@Plasticsoldier64
@Plasticsoldier64 6 ай бұрын
Don't they have alternative moves? Linoone has extreme speed, and most of the above are just as content running double edge. Big L for Snorlax, mainly, since Snorlax is meant to be tanky...
@9Destra
@9Destra Жыл бұрын
Did you know that Vespiquen’s Heal Order and Defend Order got cut? This is weird bc Vespiquen was not only in SW/SH, but also bc it got to keep Attack Order
@borismuller86
@borismuller86 Жыл бұрын
Defend Order wasn’t cut, and it still gets Roost. Honestly, that’s pretty good compared to others.
@jpshy1130
@jpshy1130 Жыл бұрын
Heal order is just cooler roost, and it doesn’t get rid of ur flying type, and it Alr exists so why remov eit
@elliotw.888
@elliotw.888 11 ай бұрын
​@@jpshy1130getting rid of your flying type is good to avoid super effective electric and ice type attacks
@Jlaps941
@Jlaps941 2 ай бұрын
@@elliotw.888and makes rock moves only 2x effective instead of 4x
@thejurassicwarewolf3300
@thejurassicwarewolf3300 28 күн бұрын
@@Jlaps941 To top it off since Vespiqueen is part bug-type, it still ends up resisting fighting types and ground types when it roost.
@Slaking_
@Slaking_ Жыл бұрын
For Singles players, none were anywhere near as destructive as the removal of Pursuit. Gen 8 and now Gen 9 have been absolutely dominated by powerful ghost types, and Pursuit would do a lot to keep them in check.
@bluetrip_
@bluetrip_ Жыл бұрын
HP was arguably as relevant in my stupid brain dumb opinion. Also, dark types have been incredible for the last two gens, and buffing them in any remotely universal way would proooobably be very bad for singles metas.
@gloopiu
@gloopiu Жыл бұрын
Pursuit kingambit sounds terrifying
@jonathanruiz1524
@jonathanruiz1524 Жыл бұрын
imagine Pursuit on Chien-Pao
@borismuller86
@borismuller86 Жыл бұрын
@@bluetrip_honestly I’ve been sad that Pursuit was removed, but I never considered how much stronger it would make Dark types, rather than just weakening Ghosts.
@baxterbruce9827
@baxterbruce9827 Жыл бұрын
Hot take: Give us Pursuit AND a Special equivalent, then make sure Pokemon that learn either favor the other stat
@TheCrazyhusky
@TheCrazyhusky Жыл бұрын
Seriously I'm still puzzled as to why they removed Signal Beam, it was a decent special bug type coverage move. Many electric types like Ampharos and Jolteon got it. They need more special bug type moves there aren't many outside Bug Buzz, You only have Silver Wind and Struggle bug, both are weaker than Signal beam.
@CaptainObliviousV
@CaptainObliviousV Жыл бұрын
Another Signal Beam enjoyer! It was also the only bug type move that could cause confusion!
@borismuller86
@borismuller86 Жыл бұрын
Silver Wind got cut too 😞
@TheCrazyhusky
@TheCrazyhusky Жыл бұрын
@@CaptainObliviousV I know right, its such a weird move to get rid of, when there are clones of moves that mostly went unused. They want people to use special attacking bug types or moves but they now lack STAB moves on the special until they Bug buzz in the late game. Signal beam should have had MORE pokemon learn it rather that cutting the move from game.
@TheEternalLightning
@TheEternalLightning Жыл бұрын
Them Cutting Signal Beam and Silver Wind is just stupid
@BramLastname
@BramLastname Жыл бұрын
Volbeat getting both its signature moves deleted, Its really a shadow of its former self. (Who am I kidding? people can still use it for Sunny Day and STAB U-Turn, so it doesn't really change anything.)
@warmwater9509
@warmwater9509 Жыл бұрын
A fun fact: The move "Light Of Ruin" may not ring a bell, since it's exclusive to an event only Eternal Flower form of Floette, which was never distributed. However, this move is fully coded into Scarlet/Violet, implying we may in the future be able to obtain this pokemon!
@OPGardevoir
@OPGardevoir Жыл бұрын
It's such a tragedy that we never got AZ's floette and the fact that they keep coding it in is like a kick in the teeth
@Kyumifun
@Kyumifun Жыл бұрын
Tbf everything that's removed is always in the codes of every game even if they aren't ultimately added to the games.
@warmwater9509
@warmwater9509 Жыл бұрын
@@Kyumifun moves such as pursuit do not have code in the game outside of the description saying it cannot be used. this move does have code for what it does
@TheRedSmarty
@TheRedSmarty Жыл бұрын
​@@OPGardevoir Well, the actual form is not coded into SV and it was removed from HOME's form data some time ago.
@Highstar25
@Highstar25 Жыл бұрын
​@@Kyumifunthe really strange part is that not only does light of ruin have a unique animation, that animation has received a few visual updates.
@seriousquil7161
@seriousquil7161 Жыл бұрын
I always hated the fact that Signal Beam is and still gone, the fact that it’s hard enough for quite bit electric types can’t get a diverse attacking set like Jolteon and Magnezone but also that it’s another unique bug type move with it’s secondary effect, decent power, gave me ways to pester more dark and psychic types with my special attackers
@Leet-iz2fz
@Leet-iz2fz Жыл бұрын
A deleted move I miss even if it wasn't that big was Sky Uppercut. It's a Fighting-type attack that can hit opponents in the middle of a semi-invulnerable Flying-type move. Useless since they probably are Flying-type and thus resist it? Probably. But flavor-wise, it's a massive fighting game reference - jumping uppercuts like the Shoryuken are typically useful as "anti-airs" to knock a jumping opponent out of the air.
@mlpfanboy1701
@mlpfanboy1701 11 ай бұрын
Instead of removing it, they should have buffed it, if it was used on a flying or bouncing Pokemon it should bypass accuracy check and deal double damage.
@anglure3617
@anglure3617 Жыл бұрын
I never even considered the fact that Eternabeam was cut because of Eternamax Eternatus' model, that's so sad
@Manelneedsaname
@Manelneedsaname Жыл бұрын
Wish they just made the lasers come out of a black cloud or something
@finnfiasco
@finnfiasco Жыл бұрын
It was replaced with Outrage, too, which has lower base damage and is physical. Dreadful trade off.
@Kyumifun
@Kyumifun Жыл бұрын
​@@Manelneedsanameor have the camera not follow Eternatus and it would only show the beams rain down on the target.
@enzomercier2789
@enzomercier2789 8 ай бұрын
Or, transition to a black scene where nothing would cause issue with the model.
@nintendosega100
@nintendosega100 Жыл бұрын
Bug isn’t the easiest type to have coverage for which is why the removal of Signal Beam baffles me.
@scp-phenomenon014
@scp-phenomenon014 Жыл бұрын
They be hating on my underrated squad 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@tuxedotoad4160
@tuxedotoad4160 Жыл бұрын
I miss signal beam. It gave so many Pokémon coverage that didn’t have a lot of.
@commandergs1390
@commandergs1390 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I agree
@antoniopriego5660
@antoniopriego5660 Жыл бұрын
It's weird because many of the moves deleted were useless or gimmicky so it's fair to say why they were deleted. But signal beam was just an usual attacking move. It's like if they deleted iron tail or something like that
@BramLastname
@BramLastname Жыл бұрын
It was also the best STAB move for most of the Bug types that could use it.
@gabebaum6527
@gabebaum6527 Жыл бұрын
I didn't even know Tail Glow had been removed. Damn that really sucks.
@Skellyy
@Skellyy Жыл бұрын
It’s back volbeat coming to a nu tier near you
@StickMaster500
@StickMaster500 Жыл бұрын
Another move that randomly got cut between generations was Woobat's signature move, Heart Stamp. The strange thing about this is that not only did Heart Stamp get cut in Sword and Shield but Woobat was a Pokemon you *_can_* catch in Sword and Shield essentially striping away it's identity for no real reason.
@SoftwareLearningify
@SoftwareLearningify Жыл бұрын
I didn’t even notice it got cut 💀
@tonberry2670
@tonberry2670 Жыл бұрын
Eeeh Simple Nasty Plot and Calm Mind would be more in line with Swoobat's ACTUAL identity
@borismuller86
@borismuller86 Жыл бұрын
Honestly though it’s just a weaker version of Zen Headbutt.
@shinybreloom4027
@shinybreloom4027 Жыл бұрын
​@@tonberry2670that's not important to the lore...
@elemangell2981
@elemangell2981 Жыл бұрын
Heal Order also got cut despite Vespiquen being in the game too. It still has Attack and Defend Order even in S/V, but it's still a bit of a shame that its signature identity isn't as complete as it once was.
@totalphantasm
@totalphantasm Жыл бұрын
Tbf if I recall the lore correctly, eternatus simply cannot gather the dynamax energy needed to use the move in Paldea because the energy specifically came from the Galar continent
@FenixMisogino
@FenixMisogino 3 ай бұрын
Wasn't Eternatus the origin of this energy in the first place?
@totalphantasm
@totalphantasm 3 ай бұрын
@@FenixMisogino originally yes, but it lost that energy after its defeat in ye olde ancient times, and then loses the power again when you defeat it in the game. Eternatus shifts into eternmax by gathering all of this energy back up.
@typemasters2871
@typemasters2871 Жыл бұрын
One move that I am sad that got removed was silver wind Yes bug buzz exists but it’s not as flashy Volcarona using silver wind: can create an elegant cloud of glitter Volcarona using bug buzz: it’s just a loud obnoxious noise
@OdysseyExe
@OdysseyExe Жыл бұрын
Yet we keep the most irritating of all.. Infestation. I hate that one
@typemasters2871
@typemasters2871 Жыл бұрын
@@OdysseyExe yeah, the target is infested but by what? Can’t be insects because insect Pokémon aren’t that small, what’s the infestation is is smaller than the smallest bug type Then again I might just be thinking too much into the implications of Pokemon moves
@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8
@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 Жыл бұрын
@@typemasters2871joltiks
@youtube-kit9450
@youtube-kit9450 Жыл бұрын
It's funny they removed the ancient power clones probably because of stupid omniboost fishing or something, but couldn't remove the original because they had tied evolutions to that.
@typemasters2871
@typemasters2871 Жыл бұрын
@@youtube-kit9450 well they could just remove the secondary effect, maybe increase the moves power as a result of removing the secondary effect, because Rock type only has 3 special attacking moves that aren’t tied to gimmicks such as Z moves or Max moves (Ancient Power, Power Gem, Meteor Beam)
@korokcorrosion4633
@korokcorrosion4633 Жыл бұрын
Powder is a move I really hope we get back, it was niche as hell but it has a super unique mechanic and it was really fun to mess with all the mega charizards when it was around.
@planetsheena9288
@planetsheena9288 Жыл бұрын
Exactly this!! I used it as a lead vs Mega Zard Y usually with Friend Guard alongside an Assault Vest Machamp running Dynamic Punch, Rock Slide, Fire Blast & Focus Blast
@obiwancannoli1920
@obiwancannoli1920 Жыл бұрын
​@@planetsheena9288mixed machamp is crazy
@raphaelkgh218
@raphaelkgh218 Жыл бұрын
Oh My God! Jesus-Christ! Really? I used to run a Ribombee with Powder, along with a Vivillion with Powder, as these two Pokemon were the only pokemon capable of learning theses moves in gen 7...I used Ribombee and Vivillion with Alolan Ninetails with Aurora Veil, and Alolan Sandslash with Substitute, Swords Dance, Icicle Crash and Earthqauke, with Leftovers.... I would set up Arauro Veil with Alolan Ninetails, then Substitute with Alolan Sandslash, then Swords Dance and sweep thanks to Icicle Crash, Earthquake for coverage and the ability Slush Rush for speed... I would use Follow Me on Alolan Ninetails i think, to redirect all attacks to it... It wad kind of bad coming from me, but if Alolan Ninetails fainted i would send in Ribombee, and either use Powder on the pokemon i expect to use Fire moves, or attack or heal my Alolan Sandlash with Pollen Puff (another really great not very popular move!), i could also send in Vivillion if Ribombee fainted, and as it had the move Hurricane i could attack most Fighting-type pokemon super-effectively, along with having a Focus Sash i think... I also had Mega Scizor in the back if the battle was not going in my favor, it had Bullet Punch and Bug Bite i think... I also had Tapu Koko in the last slot on my team i think... My Alolan Ninetails also had Blizzard and Moonblast for attacking early game! Ok, my team was kind of a bit weird, but i had a LOT of fun with it when my strategy worked! Using Powder on all these Inceneroars in Gen 7 was hilarious! They would attack themselves instead of us! My team might be gimmicky, but it was so much fun to battle with it! This Pokemon Team prtty much made me like Doubles Gen 7 OU as a format ! All of this was played on Pokemon Showdown, kind of illegally if you ask me, as i couldn't buy a Pokemon game! But Holy Trinityl! I have pretty memories playing with these Pokemon! ❤
@theapexsurvivor9538
@theapexsurvivor9538 Жыл бұрын
I've been making a mod for showdown and my first moveset change has been handing Powder out like hotcakes to various mons that it fit thematically for (mostly bugs and Cyndaquil [totally because of its fiery fur and not because it's my favourite starter and needed a little extra touch-up to its moveset or anything...])
@brooksyang5834
@brooksyang5834 Жыл бұрын
I feel that people understate the importance of pursuit being removed. While it may be really bad in doubles, it was one of the most important ways to keep mons in check. Mons like calyrex shadow, or dragapult would not be nearly as broken if pursuit was in the game.
@supremechaosbeing2696
@supremechaosbeing2696 Жыл бұрын
tera messes with this a little but yeah
@Kyumifun
@Kyumifun Жыл бұрын
And Gholdengo wouldn't be so meta in gen 9
@danyg0000
@danyg0000 Жыл бұрын
@@supremechaosbeing2696still you essentially force a tera which is very good in a meta where Kingambit is on so many teams
@ispeakcockney
@ispeakcockney Жыл бұрын
Now, imagine Kingambit and Chien Pao with pursuit
@kotzer71
@kotzer71 Жыл бұрын
Pursuit was less checking ghost and psychic mons and more like handicapping them
@PunishedFelix
@PunishedFelix Жыл бұрын
Imagine hating your boy unown so much you take away it's only move 😢
@th3celestial
@th3celestial Жыл бұрын
Imo pursuit is more impactful than hidden power in singles. It singlehandedly kept a lot of super broken fast paced threats, especially ghost types, in check. Without pursuit ghost types became free to spam ghost stab, with far less answers than in previous gens. As for psychic types... Most psychic types get rocked by the ghost threats that became viable after pursuit's removal. There's only two in OU at the moment, namely dragapult and gholdengo, but that's because they outclass pretty much all other ghosts currently.
@windwaker0rules
@windwaker0rules Жыл бұрын
Maybe because of Tera Blast which is basically "new" hidden power. But before that it really crushed some pokemon into lower tiers because they couldn't break past things like ferothorn with hp fire or electrics being able break landorus-t
@graceholbert2126
@graceholbert2126 Жыл бұрын
Flutter Mane tho??
@KiLLKiNDLY
@KiLLKiNDLY Жыл бұрын
1 move shouldn't be so powerful and widely distributed that it keeps 2 whole types in check. I'm happy it's gone. Now they just need to make better mons of other types
@windwaker0rules
@windwaker0rules Жыл бұрын
@@KiLLKiNDLY you know how the type chart works right? Ghost is good not just because "the pokemon is good" its a busted type generally its only resisted by dark and normal type is awful. ghost fighting has no resists outside of ghost types. its dragon type all over again.
@KiLLKiNDLY
@KiLLKiNDLY Жыл бұрын
@@windwaker0rules So what they made a couple busted Ghost mons this gen? It's about time they were some solid ghost types, if they didn't make busted ghost types you'd be complaining about something else broken they made like dracovish. It's how GF work they make absurdly broken sh*t and say deal with it. Now we can finally just add phsycic and ghost types to be viable sweepers without being pursuit trapped
@TLPenenn
@TLPenenn Жыл бұрын
Return and Frustration were likely cut because of how Friendship mechanics changed starting with Gen 8.
@baxterbruce9827
@baxterbruce9827 Жыл бұрын
Wait DID they change? I didn't know that
@mariofan1ish
@mariofan1ish 11 ай бұрын
GF: "We're changing the way Friendship works in the new games, so we're deleting Return and Frustration." "Just update the moves so they function with the new mechanics?" GF: "No."
@kalarse
@kalarse Жыл бұрын
Return/Frustration probably were due the fact rental teams were going to be a thing, and GF did not wanna mess with dealing on how that would work lol
@nihildwo4874
@nihildwo4874 Жыл бұрын
didn t they also change how friendshipp worked?
@MD-vs9ff
@MD-vs9ff Жыл бұрын
It's not that hard. You'd just have the Friendship value be stored with the Pokemon.
@Primarina.
@Primarina. Жыл бұрын
Pursuit was my favorite move for honchkrow. it was literally my UU trump card for OU. you didnt know if I would sucker punch or pursuit (mind games) and with that moxie ability, it quickly snowballed to a sweeping pokemon. heck ive even brought it to Ubers and beaten legendaries.
@Placeholder501
@Placeholder501 Жыл бұрын
I miss Signal Beam. It makes for some nice special bug coverage. I was disappointed when I learned Jolteon couldn’t learn it starting with Let’s Go. It really could of used it instead of having both Thunder and Thunderbolt when I played Let’s Go Eevee and used all eeveelutions in a playthrough.
@Xenkatze
@Xenkatze 10 ай бұрын
pin missile didn't exist in gen 1
@CrocvsGator
@CrocvsGator Жыл бұрын
Now I'm imagining Unown being brought back, but not Hidden Power. Just send a letter out to struggle itself to death.
@BramLastname
@BramLastname Жыл бұрын
Suddenly Unown learns Nature Power instead.
@scp-phenomenon014
@scp-phenomenon014 Жыл бұрын
Some psychopath would find a way to make it work
@ScooteezyVGC
@ScooteezyVGC Жыл бұрын
The moves I miss are rock slides and hydro pumps tbh
@MoxieBoosted
@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын
Lmao
@scp-phenomenon014
@scp-phenomenon014 Жыл бұрын
But he hits every focus blast and hypnosis so that's a win
@gemguy5951
@gemguy5951 Жыл бұрын
10:05 if anything, that would acctually be pretty on brand for SV
@pokatana4130
@pokatana4130 Жыл бұрын
2:32 when I heard that frustration was optimal, this just implies that Pro players don’t treat their Pokémon with respect and more as tools 😢
@picante_the_dragonslayer
@picante_the_dragonslayer Жыл бұрын
Welcome to Competitive Pokemon where your feelings do not matter!
@MD-vs9ff
@MD-vs9ff Жыл бұрын
The opposite actually. Th epoint is that other player's POkemon are likely to be max happiness unless they've gone out of their way to minimize it. So if your Snorlax gets Ditto'ed, you'd rather it have a mnimum power Frustration than a maximum power Return.
@WardofSquid
@WardofSquid Жыл бұрын
Its so insane that a move as essential to Competitive as Pursuit was removed! Such a sad blow
@SoftwareLearningify
@SoftwareLearningify Жыл бұрын
I need minior back, it’s my favorite rock type closely followed by archeops rampardos and cradily and I need to use it in competetive lol (most of the time singles tho )
@Aeirion
@Aeirion Жыл бұрын
Minior fans are hard to find, but we are strong ❤
@BeanyBoi06
@BeanyBoi06 Жыл бұрын
I had no clue minior existed until I got swept by it in natdex last week
@SourSalmon
@SourSalmon Жыл бұрын
Minor is so unique. I love all those Minors!!!
@reloadtoad
@reloadtoad Жыл бұрын
Minior is one of my favourites as well
@SoftwareLearningify
@SoftwareLearningify Жыл бұрын
@@BeanyBoi06 lol, I use it in nat dex UU, really fun to use there
@ThisIsChris-Anime
@ThisIsChris-Anime Жыл бұрын
Even as a mostly casual player, Return being gone is so annoying.
@theartofnina
@theartofnina Жыл бұрын
The removal of return is heartbreaking for me, it was my favorite move. I looked for it everywhere while playing Violet :c Hidden Power was also a really cool move and I loved trying to figure out what hidden power type my pokemon had
@Fr4yDay
@Fr4yDay Жыл бұрын
I don’t think Eternamax’s model is why the move was removed. They could’ve just changed the animation to Eternatus flying up, beams raining down, and Eternatus lands back down. But then again, I also don’t have a reason for why they removed it, so who knows? Speaking of Eternabeam, wouldn’t it have been A LOT more useable if it hit both opponents in a double battle? It’s a rain of exploding beams, why does it only hit one Pokemon?!
@BramLastname
@BramLastname Жыл бұрын
It only hits one pokemon because it's what the other ones do.
@battleoftheremote3119
@battleoftheremote3119 Жыл бұрын
RIP Flame Burst. Not good in competitive but was an early usable Fire Type move for Growlithe and I loved it so eh
@eduvbs
@eduvbs Жыл бұрын
Snatch was so fucking necessary now, I really dont understand how they think its balance to keep Prankster Tailwind running unpunished like that
@TotallyCluelessGamer
@TotallyCluelessGamer Жыл бұрын
My favorite move being removed was probably Feint Attack because Gamefreak took the move away from everyone, bumped its base power up to 80, and then gave it to the Impidimp line's evolved Pokemon as their signature move. Gotta love recycling, eh?
@rhinastocroc-boulet5189
@rhinastocroc-boulet5189 Жыл бұрын
Also gave that move to Kingambit specifically and gave it 5 more to the base power
@Twigggggy
@Twigggggy Жыл бұрын
i miss snatch so f***ing much like they should reintroduce it with +3 priority
@OmegaX5000
@OmegaX5000 Жыл бұрын
I feel like they could've kept Eternabeam if it were made into a cutscene attack. That way, you wouldn't have to worry about Eternamax Eternatus' model clipping anywhere. It pretty much is one anyway.
@goGothitaLOL
@goGothitaLOL Жыл бұрын
R.I.P. Technician HP Fire/Ice Roserade 2013-2019
@sportswithrobot
@sportswithrobot Жыл бұрын
Power up punch. I used to alternate between power up punch and drain punch. I used it to keep up offensive pressure while passively setting up stronger and stronger heals.
@scp-phenomenon014
@scp-phenomenon014 Жыл бұрын
HONESTLY such a valid combo, bet it would have been a nightmare with assault vest or something lol Edit; does Lucario get meteor mash and drain punch? It's not the best but it might do
@ATRichard
@ATRichard 10 ай бұрын
They took Power Up Punch out of the game!? That’s criminal! (I don’t have S&V so I wouldn’t know)
@ElecManEXE
@ElecManEXE Жыл бұрын
The most annoying removals to me are the various lower-power moves that have been cut over the years. Yeah, they aren't competetively useful, but it makes training pokemon far less interesting when the pool of lower power moves they can learn as they grow is much more shallow. Competetive and endgame ain't everything. Some of the support removals that saw limited use and were thus cut are kind of a bummer now that raids are a thing and support has a wider reach. Like, during the Samurott event I went looking for a Lucky Chant user only to find that had been cut. Mud and Water Sport could be interesting in raids, also gone. Ditto for Foresight / Odor Sleuth / Magic Eye. Telekinesis could be fun raid support, gone. Even something like Rototiller could be very handy for specific raid situations. Also as other people have mentioned, Signal Beam. Really not sure why they needed to remove that one, it was a serviceable coverage option on a lot of pokemon and a mid-level special bug attack between Struggle Bug and Bug Buzz. I guess it could be because it started out as a signiture move on Volbeat so they just cut it when that got Dexit'd, but I feel like it definitely could have stuck around.
@beybladefan271
@beybladefan271 7 ай бұрын
the in between power moves that got cut like flame burst just makes level up movesets way less interesting
@cadetjones9205
@cadetjones9205 Жыл бұрын
I miss Bubble, it was such a joke move, how could they keep splash, but get rid of the Majestic single Bubble that somehow annihilated every rock gym.
@BestgirlJordanfish
@BestgirlJordanfish Жыл бұрын
I kinda hope Powder comes back, but as a single-use hazard on the enemy side if either side uses fire. Gives some strategy, and some bug + fire synergy. Pursuit and Snatch I would like back. It really helped that dark type fantasy that throat chop and knock off nailed. I absolutely do not miss hidden power. I hated looking for the right type.
@Snickerway
@Snickerway Жыл бұрын
The worst part is that Double Team and Minimize continue to exist even thought they should have been the first ones in the cutting room. From Gens 2-7 the only justification for their continued existence was the fact that no moves had ever been removed. By all means they should have been gone in SS and never come back.
@MultiZernez
@MultiZernez Жыл бұрын
fr minimize and double team are the most annoying and unfair thing to play against
@charliez077
@charliez077 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind Evasion moves BUT there are just not enough natural counters against them!! and ppl should only be able to use them like TWICE
@mlpfanboy1701
@mlpfanboy1701 11 ай бұрын
And yet they decided to remove foresight, oder sluth and magic eye which are the counters to them.
@hands-ongaming7180
@hands-ongaming7180 11 ай бұрын
@@mlpfanboy1701no way 😮
@kosmaukaszczyk8401
@kosmaukaszczyk8401 10 ай бұрын
Wouldnt it be simplier to Just ban certain moves from tournaments
@CNightmare072
@CNightmare072 Жыл бұрын
5:06 Fun fact! My 1st team in SuMo VGC was a team with both Aerodactyl/Koko. I trained Koko to be 1 speed point lower than Aero, so I could land Sky Drop w/ Aero & combo into consistent unprotected one-shots with Electrium Z Koko Apparently a Korean team perfected the idea w/ Mega Aero & substitute Xurkitree in USUM, and I think that’s awesome. RIP Sky Drop 🫡
@laterferaligatr2947
@laterferaligatr2947 Жыл бұрын
As a singles player, i miss Heart Swap Magearna...i used to love using it to take Xerneas' Geomancy boosts and sweep teams.
@KindaKaon
@KindaKaon Жыл бұрын
Gen 7 Lax would be a cool video, especially since it was a perfect storm with the clutch berries and everything really coming together to create an entirely broken sweeper for at least one generation. Great vid as always
@SnoFitzroy
@SnoFitzroy Жыл бұрын
still not as busted as gen 2
@W33SNAW
@W33SNAW Жыл бұрын
10:07 “without it looking bugged or clipping into geometry” Since when has that stopped them 💀
@aaronolson6736
@aaronolson6736 Жыл бұрын
I feel like Dynamax cannon (as well as Behemoth Blade/Bash) could be reclaimed by keeping it that they are double effective VS a Pokemon that has terastalized. Being a 100-100 move isn't bad, but being stripped of their purpose makes the moves feel lacking, especially when compared to other primary legendaries.
@Manelneedsaname
@Manelneedsaname Жыл бұрын
Either that or extra damage in raids, I need that back
@baxterbruce9827
@baxterbruce9827 Жыл бұрын
They should just have double power in raids, applying the effect to Terastal would make no sense from a lore standpoint, plus it would open the gate to apply to Megas and any Pokemon With A Z Crystal which doesn't sound fun since that just means "Use mechanics to get punished." Edit: Typo
@aaronolson6736
@aaronolson6736 Жыл бұрын
@@baxterbruce9827 while I get the concern, that was the moves identity. Maybe 50% increase since everything else isn't on a timer
@baxterbruce9827
@baxterbruce9827 Жыл бұрын
@@aaronolson6736 I don't think any move's intended identity has been "This is here to punish people for using the regional mechanic" even those moves that dealt extra Dynamax damage effectively only dealt REGULAR damage because of the increased health
@yalegreninja
@yalegreninja Жыл бұрын
This doesn't have any sense because Dynamax allows you to double your HP, while Terastalization just changes your type. Behemoth Blade would be a 200 base power move with stab and potentially with the Intrepid Sword boost against a "normal" Pokémon with normal HP
@ResidentTarantino
@ResidentTarantino 7 ай бұрын
I laughed so hard when you said that the Eternamax model couldn't reasonably fit into SV without clipping. Saying that uniron9ically knowing how buggy SV already is with its existing assets is WILD lol not to mention how off-scale Eternatus is in SV. It's supposed to be one of the largest Pokémon in existence and it's barely the size of a car in-game. Wished you mentioned Signal Beam. I know my Jolteon would miss it
@andrewmolk8557
@andrewmolk8557 Жыл бұрын
Genuinely convinced the HP removal was in prep for Tera to help push the concept
@1992holycrap
@1992holycrap Жыл бұрын
It *does* look pretty suspicious, not gonna lie...
@greninjamariokartpokemonfan
@greninjamariokartpokemonfan Ай бұрын
Are we going to talk about the thumbnail? Tapu Koko in the "Then" section: You're no match for the almighty Tapu Koko! Tapu Koko in the "Now" section: Oh no, Hidden Power has been removed. I'm screwed. Landorus Incarnate in the "Now" section: Oh yes you are. Since Hidden Power is no longer a thing, it's beatdown time.
@Thomas-ev4gm
@Thomas-ev4gm Жыл бұрын
Honestly I figured this channel already had a couple hundred thousand subscribers the quality is so damn good
@MoxieBoosted
@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын
God I wish.
@AstroPC96
@AstroPC96 Жыл бұрын
I think it's Ironic that Return never returned to later Pokemon games!😂
@artisan_cane
@artisan_cane Жыл бұрын
RIP signal beam
@atrixmj
@atrixmj Жыл бұрын
This is the best video on KZbin about Pokémon.
@MoxieBoosted
@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын
Unbiased
@atrixmj
@atrixmj Жыл бұрын
​@@MoxieBoostednever biased a day of my life 😤😤😤
@petelee2477
@petelee2477 Жыл бұрын
5:44 the point is to baton pass it to something good.
@Allozallo
@Allozallo Жыл бұрын
The only two ways Eternabeam can resurface in gen 9 is A. The boring option by sizing the model down to fit or B. Make an entire animation regardless of the surroundings
@hexbug101
@hexbug101 Жыл бұрын
Volbeat prankster baton pass is fun, also counter + quick attack gave it a pseudo fear set. For the last move it got nice options like tailwind, encore and thunder wave. Was super fun to mess with before nat dex ag was obliterated by revive cats and tera shedinja Edit: forgot that I already had 4 moves before the listed extra options, also partially because I messed with different moves, instead of quick attack, which was in reality was moreso for picking off sash mons. Counter tended to finish off things anyway so quick attack was the move that would be swapped out for the moves listed above
@Brainfly-
@Brainfly- Жыл бұрын
So many Normal 'mons were left with no good physical STAB with the removal of Return/Frustration and it makes me sad.
@nakano8412
@nakano8412 Жыл бұрын
I didn't even know that Eternatus had that move in the first place, I've been living under a rock
@simplyfrozenwater
@simplyfrozenwater 7 ай бұрын
10:06 as if that was a problem for anything else in the game
@squirtleturtle6256
@squirtleturtle6256 Жыл бұрын
I miss Vespiqueens special moves like Heal Order and there was one more I think Attack Order was deleted. She wasn’t great but it made her fun to use having special unique moves.
@youtube-kit9450
@youtube-kit9450 Жыл бұрын
Heal and Defend were deleted. Attack was kept.
@RiverWilliamson
@RiverWilliamson Жыл бұрын
I should have taught my toxic space parasite the big ol' beam move
@vulpinitemplar5036
@vulpinitemplar5036 Жыл бұрын
Eternabeam in the footage you provided has an all black background, it's pretty easy to just render it and it's beam above the terrain even if it's only for the cinematic part :b
@bendy981
@bendy981 Жыл бұрын
It makes sense to cut down on some of the moves that have about 10 other better alternatives but there was no good reason to remove these really unique moves no matter how viable or widely used they are
@cherrychocolate1434
@cherrychocolate1434 Жыл бұрын
Can we talk about them removing one of Vespiquen's signature moves? Like, they let her keep Defend Order and Attack Order... But they didn't let her keep her unique recovery move, Heal Order. Which is just such a strange choice.
@mdudegamer
@mdudegamer Жыл бұрын
The move removals to me has always been what Dexit was to a lot of other people. Fortunately, we have seen that some moves are eligible to return in certain games, as Legends Arceus game us back Silver Wind and Ominous Wind for a little while.
@zinzolin14
@zinzolin14 10 ай бұрын
The fact a lot of these moves were removed right were also being frequently seen in 2017 VGC can't be a coincidence.
@LloomiDreamz
@LloomiDreamz 8 ай бұрын
Tail glow returned in S/V later patches (According to Bulbapedia)
@SausagecatChannel
@SausagecatChannel Жыл бұрын
Takin Return away from Dunsparce. They knew was just too OP a combination for this world.
@michaelberrios4476
@michaelberrios4476 Жыл бұрын
Pre Gen 8: Game Freak finally getting rid of Magikarp's weak ass signature mov- Magikarp: Splash splash muthafucka
@ragnaricstudios5888
@ragnaricstudios5888 Жыл бұрын
Any Pokémon can become super strong through Tera Blast, that’s HP on steroids
@Eddie_Enfer
@Eddie_Enfer Жыл бұрын
1:06 But HP ice didn't need 30 speed, the optimal was 0/30 atk and defense (2/30 before gen 6 because of max 70 base power)
@legitimatefbr9714
@legitimatefbr9714 Жыл бұрын
They should have just made Eternabeam without the E-Max Eternatus model. Just make Eternatus fly up, the lasers shine down on the target and then Eternatus returns.
@TwilightChomperEnthusiast
@TwilightChomperEnthusiast Жыл бұрын
*Frustration* is what I feel when Gamefreak removed so many Pokémon and moves (Some of my favourite Pokémon weren’t in generation 8 or 9).
@TheAweDude1
@TheAweDude1 Жыл бұрын
I just wish we got a 100 bp Normal move. I'm tired of looking at the various Normal physical attackers, and needing to either skimp out on power with Body Slam, succumb to recoil with Double Edge, or run an Orb with Facade.
@emred4653
@emred4653 Жыл бұрын
gonna miss running return lopunny with max friendship in my playthroughs
@GIN-KUN-EX
@GIN-KUN-EX Жыл бұрын
Pursuit was really good in 3v3 singles. Like really good
@isaiahomarihill8736
@isaiahomarihill8736 9 ай бұрын
The editing on these videos is so good “it’s free real estate had me rolling”😭
@mattwalker5689
@mattwalker5689 Жыл бұрын
Frankly, the fact that removed moves are in BDSP is probably more laziness than anything else.
@killercat241
@killercat241 Жыл бұрын
Scald got changed to only be learned by volcanion, which is kinda pointless since steam eruption is already a better scald
@scp-phenomenon014
@scp-phenomenon014 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't the new sinestea get it?
@killercat241
@killercat241 Жыл бұрын
@@scp-phenomenon014 this comment was made before the dlc released
@kdash2657
@kdash2657 Жыл бұрын
I love video like these. Keep them coming, chief 👍👍
@conorb.1901
@conorb.1901 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'm glad hidden power is gone. I wouldn't wish hidden power breeding on my worst enemy. If it does ever come back in a mainline game, I hope they take the Legends Arceus route and make it super effective versus everything, but it's still Unown exclusive.
@theoverseer393
@theoverseer393 Жыл бұрын
IF HIDDEN POWER RETURNS: it should do damage based on the higher stat of the two: Special/Physical
@kieranclark1629
@kieranclark1629 Жыл бұрын
When my dumbass saw the title I thought Nintendo shut down a fan game called Game Freak Removed 💀
@aSh-pi1in
@aSh-pi1in Жыл бұрын
9:44 small error here, Eternabeam is 160 BP, not 150
@MoxieBoosted
@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын
I suppose it doesn't matter anymore 🥺
@acidaminophen6315
@acidaminophen6315 6 ай бұрын
0:13 when the editor mishears "culled" as "cold" lmfao
@mrfishman9016
@mrfishman9016 4 ай бұрын
lol yeah, was going to comment the same
@zachg.9075
@zachg.9075 Жыл бұрын
The power of a good thumbnail, I haven't watched one of your videos in awhile.
@MoxieBoosted
@MoxieBoosted Жыл бұрын
Peep the playlist at the end. There's a lot of content like this now
@DaMaster012
@DaMaster012 8 ай бұрын
"Tail Glow was removed from the game." Tail Glow in Gen IX: "Please allow me to reintroduce myself, I'm a move of power and pain. I've been back for just a year, and crushed many trainer's glory and fame..."
@glacierwolf2155
@glacierwolf2155 Жыл бұрын
I have a theory that some moves, like Pursuit and Sky Drop, were culled because they were incompatible with Dynamax.
@caseydewitt6236
@caseydewitt6236 Жыл бұрын
But yet Heavy Slam and Pluck remained.
@uberculex
@uberculex Жыл бұрын
Sky drop had turn cheese and pursuit was probably dropped so their new legendaries could be strong (being part psychics). Also, pursuit plus things like U-Turn to get them in can eradicate the existence of anything weak to dark.
@scp-phenomenon014
@scp-phenomenon014 Жыл бұрын
​@@uberculexl + bozos + just make the pokemon have the secondary type balance its weaknesses if it matters so much 💀
@petelee2477
@petelee2477 Жыл бұрын
2:39 actually dittos started running minimum friendship toward the end of the generation so return became the better option.
@vicctretamaj
@vicctretamaj Жыл бұрын
I miss Snatch Incineroar bro…such a dope ass move
@saltydolphin
@saltydolphin Жыл бұрын
ok but lets be honest, removing hidden power was one of the best decisions Pokemon has ever made.
@cosmic12321
@cosmic12321 Жыл бұрын
Toxic thread. Such an underrated move. If a competent mon got it outside of Spinarak line, it'd be a godsend.
@aaronolson6736
@aaronolson6736 Жыл бұрын
Gastrodon, Cradily, Octillery, Shuckle, Venomoth, Dustox, Beedrill, and maybe Venusaur are all the mons with access to String Shot that could have Toxic Thread.
@CaptainObliviousV
@CaptainObliviousV Жыл бұрын
I’d nominate Spidops if it actually had good stats
@borismuller86
@borismuller86 Жыл бұрын
@@CaptainObliviousVSpidops doesn’t need good stats, it has a great movepool.
@CaptainObliviousV
@CaptainObliviousV Жыл бұрын
@@borismuller86 yeah it’s move pool is definitely great, but it’s held back by its stats though. When your two highest stats by a decent margin are a 92 and 86 in Defense & Sp. Defense respectively, that’s gen 1 bug levels of rough.
@shatteredsentient5321
@shatteredsentient5321 Жыл бұрын
​@@CaptainObliviousVGameFreak: Spidops now has Pursuit
@TsukentoX
@TsukentoX Жыл бұрын
Surprised you didn't mention that Void Cats was really only doable in Gen VI, since Dark Void got nerfed to only be usable by Darkrai in Gen VII, thanks to Smeargle.
@BramLastname
@BramLastname Жыл бұрын
It doesn't really matter, Dive Cats and Revive Cats work the same way.
@J.G.H.
@J.G.H. 4 ай бұрын
I miss my Nightmare Darkrai, I know it's not competitive or even a good use of a potent mythic, but there was something so satisfying about putting your opponents to sleep with Dark Void and then watching their health melt under the combination of Bad Dreams and Nightmare. Unfortunately Dark Void was nerfed into the ground because of Smeargle, and Nightmare is just gone... Sighs I miss Gen 4.
@youtube-kit9450
@youtube-kit9450 Жыл бұрын
There are 105 removed moves in gen 8 according to bulbapedia. While I think about 90% of them are perfectly fine to be removed because no one woud actually miss them, or even know they existed, or they're just random useless gimmick moves no one used, there's still a dozen or 2 that I think "wait, why was this removed" like Pursuit (was pursuit trapping really that overpowered?), signal beam (seems to just be a completely normal, viable move for some pokémon?) or some signature moves of pokémon.
@mr.lonkman4644
@mr.lonkman4644 Жыл бұрын
This is a sign that Moxie is about to go on his valiant quest to delete Ally Switch and Smeargle
@aspiringwayfarer
@aspiringwayfarer 11 ай бұрын
I miss Ominous Wind. I know it wasn’t super strong or amazing, but the name and battle animation were really cool to me.
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