Moza AB9 Force Feedback Joystick Base | Review | MSFS | 2020 | 2024

[@IvanSkyFlight]

I want to clarify a point about the base. I mention that while putting on full brakes and increasing throttle like you would do in a run up before take off, the elevator does not go up as it does in real life. That's not an issue with the AB9. From an external camera view while applying full brakes and increasing throttle the elevator does not go up, so I think that is an issue with MSFS 2020/24and not the Moza AB9. I continue to love this base.

[@NeoGrostesk]

Thinking of getting one of these. Disappointed to hear about the trim though, that was one of the main features I was looking forward to. I would've thought that Hardware Trim toggle would move the centring point to simulate the trim. Have you tried it with that on and not using MSFS trim? (So the in-sim trim would always be zero, but you're trimming by moving the centre point of the stick instead)

[@IvanSkyFlight]

I have not been able to get that feature to work, but I will continue to look into it. If I do I will post back here. Having said that, if that is a big deal, I would hold off until it's a feature.

[@irish7460]

Hi Ivan, I hope you dont mind me asking, but what is the measurement from the bottom of the base to the top of the stick? I've purchase this base and stick, just waiting for it to arrive. Thinking of maybe building a floormounted platform for it, as I don't want it sitting too high on a table mount.

[@IvanSkyFlight]

Approximately 42-43 centimeters or about 16.5-16.75 inches.

[@irish7460]

@@IvanSkyFlight thx

[@Rotor-Sims]

I have this exact base on my channel and I'm in the process of swapping out to VP Force. There is no Force trim because they lack a loopback module for helicopters. No autopilot follow. The VP Force motors are Nema 34 86blf04. I built and engineered a collective which is currently in prototype and will be offering Force feedback systems for Heli that work properly. I also cannot overlook Moza uses part of VP Force code without the explicit permission from Walmis the creator.

[@yangtianyi9563]

Bring out either the evidence of your claim or bring out a better product

[@IvanSkyFlight]

Let us know when you release your collective. Will be cool to see. I subscribed to your channel. I couldn't give an intelligent comment on the software source. I will leave that up to the legal folks.

[@Rotor-Sims]

@IvanSkyFlight Thank you Ivan for the sub! Once I have the prototype I will showcase on the channel and make changes as needed. I want to ensure people get a quality product. I just got my monster Rhino kit in today and just finished installing it and my goodness the cyclic feels incredible. The 86 series motors are just incredible. About to post a quick vid.

[@user_16309]

Can the stick be configured to act like a non force feedback stick if desired? I’m very tempted. I’m concerned about longevity. My Warthog is 11 years old and aside from some sticking it’s fine. Those Hal effect sensors are great. Thanks.

[@IvanSkyFlight]

I will say "Sort of". It can be used as a non force feedback stick in that you can turn off or down the haptic effects while still having control over intensity, centering, etc. I guess that would be "force" without "feedback".

[@doifeellucky]

Thanks for the review. I’m definitely interested in one of these as I can use my Virpil grip and can use still use my existing base for HOSAS left stick. Can you configure the Moza base to just work like a cam type base for space sims?

[@IvanSkyFlight]

Not entirely sure. You can turn off haptic effects and just have torque effects, centering, and inertia. I think it would be close. I believe my WinWing Orion 2 base is cam based (please correct me if that's not correct), and I can approximate that.

[@tver]

Yes (probably). In theory non-linear resistance curves (simulating various cam profiles) can be set in the software, including bump stops. It depends on how far Moza have developed their customization software, but the possibilities would be near endless.

[@jetstar4609]

Be careful on your purchase virpil is not 100 percent compatible. You need some adapter that's impossible to find and then have to modify the adapter to fit the base and virpil stick. I was considering this as well for helicopter flying but decided to wait until they fix it.

[@IvanSkyFlight]

@@jetstar4609 I guess it depends on the Virpil joystick. In this video I am using a Virpil Constellation Alpha, and it works just fine. No adapter and all of the buttons and levers seem to be recognized.

[@registassa6900]

Bonjour j’ai vue ta vidéo j’ai aussi acheter le moza ab9 je le vois apparaître dans mfs24 mais il n’est reconnu j’ai l’impression hors sur DCS cela fonctionne bien aurai tu rencontré ce problème? Si oui comment as tu fais pour le faire fonctionner salutations

[@IvanSkyFlight]

It should be recognized. However, it doesn't have a label in the control settings. If you look at the video at 17:51 you can see where it says Bravo Throttle Quadrant, then below that two blank spaces, then WinWing Throttle. Those two blank spaces are the AB9 base and grip. Let me know if that doesn't work.

[@registassa6900]

@@IvanSkyFlightmerci bien pour ta réponse je vous tient au courant j’essaye demain

[@RobVene]

Hello, great video. Have you ever checked FS2024 if the base is running well in the COCKPIT application of moza? When I log in and configure the controls within FS2024, it appears as "Telemetry service" disconnected. The FFB within the game is appreciated every moment a leap in strength, the rest is very good. Is anyone else wrong with you? Best regards

[@IvanSkyFlight]

So far, I have not had any problems with the AB9 and MSFS 24. Changes made in the Cockpit app are immediately applied. Some are more subtle than others. I have not received any "telemetry service" notifications. I have to say that my experience has been great.

[@hornetj3777]

Do you know if moza plans on making a Captains version of the MA3X stick?

[@IvanSkyFlight]

I don't know, but I have reached out to Moza with this exact question. I will respond here if they get back to me.

[@ciaranmchugh4246]

How did you get MSFS2024 to recognize the AB9? I’ve been pulling my hair out for hours trying to figure it out. Will not show up in my controls settings

[@IvanSkyFlight]

Is it recognized in the USB Game Controller app? If so, look for two blank rectangles in the controller setup page of MSFS 24. The other rectangles will have the name of the hardware. For some reason the AB9 and it's grip show up as blanks. You can see this at 17:46 in the video. And not trying to be smart, but the base is turned on, correct? Let me know if that doesn't fix it.

[@JamesBond-mu4ce]

I can see that in level flight your trim is around -2%, mine is showing around 78% 😮 with the trim around 24% as soon I let go of the joystick will dive with like 2500 feet/min. Do you know what’s is going on? Great video but so far my experience was very poor, I got constant message no telemetry on the main screen, where you have message connected, Moza customer service is replying but unable to help, if somehow I manage to have force feedback even with error, I then get damned effect and some vibrations only. Also every few second kick that will dive the plane. Regardless of the plane or conditions. I think my is faulty, unless you can help me. Thanks ☺️

[@IvanSkyFlight]

I am assuming your firmware and Cockpit app are all current. What sim and Moza cockpit preset are you using?

[@JamesBond-mu4ce]

@@IvanSkyFlight MFS2024 and I tried all of presets, customs as well. Software and Firmware is up to date

[@IvanSkyFlight]

@@JamesBond-mu4ce Do you have MSFS 2020 or XPlane, and if so, does the AB9 work in either of those sims? Also do you have the buttons under "expert" or "special" turned on (in the Moza cockpit software)?

[@JamesBond-mu4ce]

@@IvanSkyFlight tried actually today reinstalling 2020 and was very weird, like the centre of joystick was top right corner, I done calibration and even reset the base but was not getting any better, another thing is that on 2020 in settings the second profile is active and 2024 the first one (talking about doubling ab9 base in the settings). Same issue with 68 telemetry files running in the windows processing.

[@IvanSkyFlight]

Not sure. In the Moza Cockpit there are some settings that adjust the center. One is under "expert" and the other is under "special". They should be turned off generally. When you say calibrate, do you mean the game calibration or through Windows "setup usb game controllers"?

[@bobykim5311]

I just don't understand. FFB are signals being sent by game software. An FFB device read those signals and translate it into force. Software that comes with the FFB device can alter the incoming signal like a equalizer can with music. And FFB device does NOT create FFB forces from itself. As long as there is no input, you wont feel force. When certain forces are missing, its not the lack of the FFB device. Its the lack of software not outputting the force. The FFB not responding when on brake with full power means FS 2020 does not create any windflow of the prop over the aircraft. Its a lack of FS 2020, not from MOZA.

[@IvanSkyFlight]

Agree. See pinned comment from yesterday.