Mozart Symphony No 41 in C major K.551 Toscanini

[@robinmiller9865]

A conductor who actually follows the composer's markings. Simply splendid.

[@m.h.8111]

Yes !!!

[@warrencohen8246]

There aren't a lot of markings to follow. And most conductors follow those that are there. And they make lots of choices to do things that are not marked. Toscanini does too.

[@tempemm]

Toscanini makes you feel the intense fiery genius Mozart had fast and explosive exciting as it’s new to Mozart’s mind being thought of from passion and genius not boredom he makes the pieces seem like grand big ideas as they are not boring pieces

[@saltburner2]

Magnificent performance, and astonishingly good sound.

[@turntabuler78]

One of the best performances of this brilliant symphony.

[@LPCLASSICAL]

Great perf - amazing energy. I like how he keeps the temp going all the way to the last note at end of 4th mvt - many conductors slow it down.

[@johnrobinsoniii4028]

Check out the Finale: Toscanini’s tempo and George Szell’s tempo are identical. The difference between the two is Toscanini’s recording is in mono, and Szell’s recording is in stereo.

[@omegamale7880]

Toscanini, along with Arthur Nikisch, was a big influence on Szell's conducting.

[@thomasbransten5255]

Again, a definitive recording. Toscanini's tempo is brisk but every note is clear and beautifully executed by his orchestra: the N.B.C. He doesn't linger to suck the music dry, but neither was Mozart a lingerer; he moved briskly too! T. R. Bransten.

[@photo161]

Don't presume to speak for Mozart. Although we can never hear his playing, he spoke emphatically about the importance of a performer and an interpretation to be expressive. He seemed to be aggrieved when, after engaging in a kind of competition with another keyboard performer his expressivity and musicality were not appreciated. He said of his rival-Anybody can play loud and fast...

[@wq6737]

Toscanini - Italienisches Temperament und Tempo - gepaart mit höchster Präzision und Pregnanz . Grandios !

[@marziadolci8588]

Travolgente....in perfetta sintonia con lo spirito mozartiano!

[@micoldelmonte403]

Meraviglioso Toscanini

[@MLaval-wr3zi]

Toscanini FUE,ES y SERÁ siempre,un gran compositor...,y además fue director...¡grande Toscanini! yo a todos estos GENIOS...¡les AMO!

[@antoninomarullo8468]

Semplicemente sublime e perfetta. Contrariamente a chi sostiene che Mozart diretto da Toscanini non andava bene, questa esecuzione è di una pulizia e forza senza eguali. Ne esiste un'altra del 1941 un po' più lenta e muscolosa, ma ugualmente bella. Soprattutto è sorprendente nella gestione dei tempi che aumentano e diminuiscono in un andamento armonico delizioso.

[@gs032009]

I listen to this and I conclude, I love this Mozart, and I suspect most of the interpretations of Mozart past-Toscanini ahave been very tame, quiet when they should forte, moderate when they should be fortissimo, too slow and boring. Toscanini e magnifico!

[@pierresentenac]

Bravo, bravissimi maestro arthuro tout est magnifiquement respecté dans cette belle exécution de ce chef-d'oeuvre mozartien, comme disait le regretté Antoine Goléa: "la partitition rien que la partition" avec toutefois ce souffle génial de l'interprète pour que le texte revive intensément l'esprit du compositeur! Cette lecture est bien là magnifiée par la gestique hors du commun du grand Toscanini , on mesure la modernité de cette page qui n'a pas pris une ride!! Une référence absolue...

[@franckmousset4022]

"Tout est magnifiquement respecté" sauf les reprises.

[@pierresentenac]

@@franckmousset4022 Merci pour votre réponse que j'apprécie même si les reprises ne sont pas parfaites: l'esprit du temps explique peut-être cela ?

[@johnrobinsoniii4028]

Symphony #41. A mature work by the mature Mozart.

[@RicardoBonet]

00:00 I - Allegro vivace 07:52 II - Andante cantabile 14:40 III - Menuetto: Allegretto 19:08 IV - Molto allegro

[@Canardeur]

Am I the only one with the feeling that musicians previously had more power in their sound than nowadays? I mean, when I hear Furtwängler, Toscanini or Celibidache, I feel power. When I hear nowadays' orchestras, I feel nothing.

[@ivanvillarrubia7284]

Please, watch this performance of Aurora Orchestra at BBC proms. They play with no score, and that is clearly feeled in the performance strength: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIOxnIinhaiGgpo&start_radio=1

[@weiliu7319]

When I hear nowadays', I only hear inflated egos from common men and women. They just use classical as media to express themselves., not Mozart. That that is not what we should hear. Need I give a few names?

[@canardeur8390]

@@weiliu7319 Yes please: give some names. I am interested.

[@ptolemaios5364]

me too

[@saltburner2]

Probably so; but one must also allow for hearing loss as we age, especially the higher frequencies.

[@william-michaelcostello7776]

Toscanni and Szell , my favorites

[@wab4100]

wunderbar! und das tempo stimmt!

[@pierfrancescopeperoni]

The best symphony of the BBS by the best conductor of the ABS.

[@richardtsina3880]

The 1940 Toscanini performance of K.551 is slower but superb--and in very good sound. Additionally, he takes the exposition repeat missing in 1946.

[@renato45222]

Si tratta di uno dei più alti capolavori della storia della sinfonia, in assoluto. Il IV movimento è una favolosa combinazione di contrappunto (fuga) e forma-sonata, una combinazione inaudita e insuperata in area sinfonica, che mostra una coessenzialità tra tali forme che solo Mozart poteva evidenziare. La interpretazione che ne fornisce il Parmense, per quanto grande, non raggiunge le vette cui lo stesso Maestro ci ha abituati (in Mozart, basti citare ad esempio l'eccelsa KV. 385 diretta nel 1929 con la NYP). Da notare, tuttavia, come nell'Andante cantabile il Maestro, pur scegliendo un'andatura più vicina ad un allegro moderato che ad un andante, riesca a conferire un'urgenza poetica e un fraseggio mirabili, con opportuni "rallentando" perfettamente coerenti con l'impostazione ritmica di base.

[@alexeyizmirliev64]

Perche scrivi stupidagini, sei un musicologo di merda?

[@auroracolombo9966]

Toni pacati e educazione, grazie💕

[@RonaldWilliams-rz6wp]

Has Toscanini plateaued on his speed with the recording of Mozarts symphony? I think because the briskness is certainly present, that does not mean he is any less affectionate about the passion of this work than others he has conducted. I can appreciate this recording for its value and its unadulterated editorial tamperings.

[@simonjames7781]

In those days, those more cultivated days.

[@giorgiodeluca9451]

Un vero "mostro"!! Fa gelare il sangue.

[@jimcrawford5039]

Great performance indeed but I still love Bohm & Krips’ Mozart. Australia.

[@アイコニックイニエスタ-l5j]

やっぱこの時代の巨匠は全員化け物だな

[@patrickwells4014]

I also tell my students and associates that if one wants to be a able composer, they must study counterpoint and the works of JS Bach. If one wants to create works with the greatest understanding of form, structure, and clarity study they must study the works of Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven. If one wants to be a great conductor, they must study Toscanini's approach. You will never go wrong with any of these musicians.

[@Allanfearn]

Apart from the ad at every movement break, ONE OF WHICH IS PLACED IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIRST NOTE OF THE FINALE (but that's OK, the artists are all dead, and who cares about Mozart anyway?) and the suspicion that i once read a comment by one of Toscanini's hagiographers that he hadn't liked this performance - "Too fast" - I have to say this this does help one understand the immense reputation of Toscanini's Mozart performances of the 1930s, of which almost nothing survives in a listenable state. I think the best of what does is probably the NBC Sinfonia Concertante for Violin and Viola, from 1940, I think, which, like this, has a reduced string section, but the restraint and accuracy of this are not only characteristic of his art at its best, but also the andante ("andante e caminare") now seems spot on. The finale needs total concentration, otherwise it vanishes before you are even aware it's begun, but your higher duty is to stop the ad's promoters from being drowned by their profits, rather than waste your time listening to Mozart.

[@heinrichbrinks9019]

This was my first "disc"very of Mozart on a recording(I bought at Goody's in NYC-one of the non-pirated recordings available). Listened to it so many times that I believed this was the only possible rendition. I have since discovered the beauty of other versions,other but this remains by first love.

[@saltburner2]

You remind me of Saturday mornings in the Philadelphia Sam Goody, when WFLN gave out a discount code for 10% off their already low prices. It is how I acquired the complete Beethoven quartets by the Hungarians in 3 Seraphim boxes, and much else.

[@antonioantonio-no2uc]

FASCINANTE

[@ОксанаДидковская-ч3щ]

Спасибо !

[@albertol.4048]

24:08 is out of this world

[@conradnal8934]

Also 3:40-4:00

[@65attila]

Bravo

[@Queeen7q]

вот правильно - не нужно замедлять конец финала, как многие делают.

[@leonardopiodafonseca1500]

...literal e genial , só mesmo Toscanini, o Paganini da batuta ,

[@javieralvarez6773]

Hay dos formas de interpretación de las sinfonías : la de Toscanini y las del resto.

[@alexeyizmirliev64]

La sinfonia e de Amadeus!

[@beachcomber4141]

WOW!!!!!

[@abcnowcontrol]

Under Toscanini music sounds better...

[@StephenJurist-pw7by]

Mozart's markings make 2015 version like 1955 version if you're a gifted conductor.

[@violettavalery857]

L'unico Direttore che sia riuscito a "restringere" la Jupiter a 25 minuti (più o meno) di durata. Mozart ne sarebbe stato felice!!

[@1baronaccio]

Fellicisimo. Questo è il giusto carattere della sinfonia

[@alexeyizmirliev64]

Non ripette varie parti della sinfonia!

[@alexeyizmirliev64]

Se no, dura 38-40'

[@milkoolong4139]

Dylu, dylu na badylu

[@joedeegan3870]

Did Arturo have to catch a train or something/

[@martincook318]

Having got a copy of this famous Symphony Played by the English Chamber Orchestra Conducted by Daniel Barenboim on His Master's Voice Record Number ASD 2329 first Pressing and coupled with the Symphony Number 31 I can truthfully say that both Performances are as good as one another and it's a pity that His Master's Voice and RCA Victor Broke off on Monday September 30th 1957 Because that would have been better for both Record Company's if they had Remaind as Sister Company's instead of RCA Victor Switching to DECCA and His Master's Voice becoming part of the giant EMI Group and Arturo Toscanini Died in January 1957 just short of his 90th Birthday

[@marzappel8858]

15:09 Jordan Peterson

[@DaviSilva-oc7iv]

Bruh

[@MrInterestingthings]

It's fun to hear Tosc in Mozart but this ain't the way it goes. Would Mozart have written the music differently if he had such large forces ? Read others on his Mannheim experience . And look at his revisions of Handel. He thought about who his singers were not posterity as much and . ..

[@usertcl6893]

При всём уважении к маэстро, остаюсь при своем мнении, что Тосканини и Моцарт - два несовместимые явления; при всём уважении и почитании великого дирижёра, он явно слаб в русском и немецком репертуаре.

[@muslit]

beats me why this conductor is famous

[@jakelabete7412]

Because he makes music come to life.

[@johnkusske7535]

@@jakelabete7412 Yeah, the way Frankenstein made the monster.

[@elena-xt7cs]

I don't understand how one could ever appreciate this rendition: it's way too fast, Toscanini slaughtered the Andante cantabile. "This is how Mozart would have liked it" Says who? Music is based on a costant act of interpretation, and this one just doesn't seem enjoyable to me, even if it is "how Mozart would have liked it". We luckily have conductors who are brave enough not to follow such superficial philology.

[@bbailey7818]

The Tocanini performance to hear is the April 20, 1940 one. Much more expansive and relaxed. And better miked. The second mvt is still on the mobile side but I've heard it played faster with contemporary period ensembles and conductors so chacun a son gout.

[@elena-xt7cs]

I haven't had the chance to listen to that one - is it available on KZbin? As to the quality of microphones, it's no big deal to me: I find the sound of this one video quite clear. I have some live recordings from the 50s of La Vestale, La Sonnambula and La Traviata whose miking is way worse than this, yet I manage to enjoy them a lot. Of course it's a matter of tastes, that's why I am puzzled by those who get some supposed philology involved in their opinion - "This is perfectly in line with Mozart's spirit". Once again, says who? And: are we sure that what Mozart "would like" is the best we can get?

[@patrickwells4014]

i tell my students and associates that if you listen to a Toscanini recording and are not later amazed or enthusiastic after then you really did not listen to it. My advice is to go back and listen again. As for conductors today, who is there for them to follow? No one!

[@laurencelevine3955]

Tell that to Hummel and Czerny.

[@karldelavigne8134]

It is not too fast, but it's a perception you will certainly have if you are used to the much slower performances from conductors like Bohm and Bernstein.

[@johnkusske7535]

Cookie cutter Mozart done with an ax.

[@flexusmaximus4701]

Ignorant