Mr. House Predicts the Fall of Shady Sands | Fallout TV Show

[@TheCouriersGambit]

Had to reupload due to an audio issue... third time's the charm! 😅 Do you think this is a good explanation for what happened to Shady Sands? Let me know!

[@canonlindgren5945]

Yessir! Keep up the good work!

[@ihavenomouthandimusttype9729]

No. It does not even come close. Hanlon describes the aquafers of NCR as dry but we hear nothing of any water shortage. The NCR borders the entire collarado river. Obviously, they have enough to sustain an entire annexation of Baha and the Mojave as well as enough to support the Brahmin Barons. The Long 15 meanwhile serves as the main supply line to the Mojave asides from the Divide. At the time of the Divide, Kimbell was popular enough for his occupation of Hoover Dam to be supported and the first battle in 2277 was a pyrric NCR victory. Literally when the "fall of Shady Sands" occured. Victories against the BoS and Great Khans still occur. Kimbell's erosion of popularity came due to his inability to annex the Mojave in the 9 years since occupation. NCR has not "fallen" by 2277. House also predicts the survival of the NCR, not it's fall. He tells the courier that NCR is a nation of customers and it's occupation has been the engine of his growing economy. Clearly, if NCR citizens are engaging in tourism, then NCR is not falling. House predicts at least 5 years of New Vegas using the NCR for its benefit. And 100 years at most. So he obviously doesnt predict their immediate fall nor have they already fallen. House is also supplying the NCR with water and electricity from Hoover dam. He even gets them to make a deal with him. Why do this when he expects NCR to not exist in the coming weeks? Good video, but don't bother trying to explain stupid. It's not your job to do the writers work for them. Just play a better game or rather watch a better show adaption. I hear Last of Us and Arcane are pretty good.

[@canonlindgren5945]

@@ihavenomouthandimusttype9729 huh, good point

[@FordFlatSix]

The show makes it sound like Rose created the NCR. It is difficult to think that a whole nation state was created within a 5 or 10 year period versus the decades it took president Tandy to do it.

[@braydoxastora5584]

All this lovely head canon is satisfying and getting to Indoctrination theory levels of lost potential

[@PresUlyssesSGrant]

You making The Couriers voice Ron Perlman’s (aka the narrator) oddly fits

[@skullknight1324]

Wow, I’ve never know that Ron Perlman voiced the narrator

[@clan741]

One minor criticism of the video I have is House calling the NCR “the bear”, that’s more Ulysses dialogue and his preference for symbolism while House is more Analytical and leans to the literal.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

Make you wonder if he OK the order to nuke Shandy Sands

[@TavaraTheLaughingLion]

@@Alex-pj8nz We don't know if House is still around by the time of Sandy Sands' destruction.

[@delvinciposterkid]

@@Alex-pj8nz I wonder if like all large settlements Shady Sands had a Plutonium well dug deep in its heart, it kept it alive but was soon it's death, much like the Institute when the nuclear option was chosen. It only took a strike team to reach the reactor.

[@tylerclark1790]

​@@TavaraTheLaughingLion New Vegas is set in 2281. The "Fall" of Shady Sands is referring to its political and economic decline and the move of the capital. House is referring to events already occurred. The nuking occurred after NV.

[@albundy7459]

They were stretched thin and leadership was corrupt. Recipe for disaster.

[@Emanon...]

Oh, like the US, you mean?

[@albundy7459]

@@Emanon... we aren’t stretched thin. Don’t know where you came up with that wildly inaccurate assumption.

[@tomybartok99]

But it's true for Russia 😂

[@russianoverkill3715]

Being stretched thin and corrupt doesn't cause complete relocation of capitals and its nuclear explosions

[@tomybartok99]

@@russianoverkill3715 True. Russia is like a phoenix. It's state collapses once or twice per century but it has always returned

[@ProjectGrandMarauder]

House was never the bad guy. He just wanted independence from everyone. He didn’t trust anyone.

[@szymonmuchowicz7190]

No one was the bad guy, even the legion was in the shade of gray, it depends on player's believes, and that is why thjs game is so good

[@Davanthall]

⁠​⁠@@szymonmuchowicz7190the Legion literally *enslaves* women. They are the bad guys.

[@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179]

@@Davanthall The Legion provides Security, Order, and Peace... for those not on the front lines of conquest. Within the borders of the Legion, places are safe enough that trade Caravans don't even hire bodyguards to travel. No raiders. No dangerous wildlife. You don't get this anywhere else in the world. Their entire civilization isn't built upon slavery, just their military. Slaves are a much more uncommon sight further within the Legions territory. The truth is this. What you see in the Mojave doesn't fully represent the Legion. You see the horns of the bull, but don't even get a glimpse of the rest of it. Compared to the NCR, this is very different. In the NCR, a soldier is also a citizen when not deployed. In the Legion, soldiers are soldiers, and citizens are citizens. For life. Legionaries are really just more slaves. Just indoctrinated and well armed. It's a safe place, guarded by an army of extremely loyal slaves. As far as long term solutions go, this is also probably the best one for humanity as a whole. Revert us back 1000s of years, and it will take us at least a few thousand years to blow our selves up again. Secure the species with time, not tech. Sure, quality of life may drop, but at least there won't be another nuclear armageddon for awhile...

[@mrcrabs9296]

They belive woman are less than​@@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179

[@codyperry5427]

I know it’s not in the game but pretty sure it’s canon but Caesar doesn’t want the legion to stay the way it is, and someone like ceaser needs to live not because of what the legion is but it would be, because if he died before his plan works so does the plan, and all that suffering he caused was pointless, ceaser is no saint not hero, their will be tales of his barbarism and ruthlessness, but it’s important to look back at these people and try to grow and became better then them to see what humanity comes to if not United under one goal, what ceaser did was to unite people under one goal, that’s why he based it off Rome, as he believed a society like that would allow him to absorb the tribes into a single goal, and by controlling and monitoring the use of substance Chems a society could be developed and created to better suit human needs and to educate people once they are ready to use these things

[@Nightbringer993]

Nailed it completely, down to the precise year of the fall of shady sands presented in the show

[@mac1862]

I love these. You're a good writer. These are super beleivable

[@TheCouriersGambit]

Thank you so much!

[@Davidofthelost]

@@TheCouriersGambitwish you were writing the show and Bethesda games.

[@AARon-fe1mo]

The ironic part about this is while the legion was mimicked after the Roman Empire it was the NCR that fell for the very same reasons the original Roman Empire fell.

[@AvarageYoututbeUser]

Ceaser:Sad face

[@VINTAGE1959]

I live in Las Vegas and Mr. Houses remarks on the possibility of Lake Mead drying up is very real

[@VINTAGE1959]

I love how Ron Perlman is the voice for the courier

[@angsty_saint]

I love the relationship here between C6 and mr house. House was one of the few characters to see how great the courier was and treats him like a equal, aswell as a successor. This feels like a conversation between two peers or even two brothers.

[@funeral1395]

Going by alll of what he says, this would mean that the canon ending for new vegas has to be either the house ending or maybe the yes man ending. But we all will have to wait for season 2 to confirm it. On a side note, if you pay attention to something the brotherhood elder says early in the show, its a sign that cannon ending for fallout 4 is either the brotherhood ending or the minutemen ending.

[@TheCouriersGambit]

I don’t think I caught what the Elder said, what was it? I’m leaning towards House or Yes Man for New Vegas canon, but could also see an NCR victory that doesn’t last

[@funeral1395]

@@TheCouriersGambit I believe during the 1st or 2nd episode when the elder is addressing the rest of the brotherhood, he will say something about them receiving new orders "from the commonwealth." That alone is the hint about the canon ending for fallout 4, and I completely didn't see that the first time watching it

[@jb-wc1hx]

I’m pretty sure they are going to go with the House ending. They showed him in season one, and as an NPC put it, House Is Vegas.

[@McHobotheBobo]

​@@funeral1395 "The high clerics in the Commonwealth." Worth mentioning though, that there were 13 commonwealths in the US before the Great War including California.

[@McHobotheBobo]

​@funeral1395 Also at least the one airship says "Prydwen" so whatever ending has that is likely the one or some permutation thereof. Caswallen was the other name used for an airship so likely the Brotherhood has multiple

[@bewisoffical]

The Curse of Hoover Dam. First the Legion.... now the Republic...

[@rw7118]

Another fantastic video! I love how your able to capture how analytic yet reasonable Mister House is! I would love to see a video of him discussing the (SPOILERS STOP READING IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE SHOW, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!) Actually nuking of shady sands and the greater implications of Vault-Tec's "control" of the wasteland

[@briankriens5645]

Enjoyed that very much. The interaction with Mr. House is always one of my favorite parts on a FONV playthrough.

[@MrTiptopten]

Here’s the thing. In the lore, the fall of the NCR makes sense. “They're stretched thin, can't protect their frontlines, their towns, think paper's power, radio means control - all of it, useless.” - Ulysses ( Lonesome Road)

[@Bothrops_Asper_89]

The OSI guy who sends you to Vault 22 mentions there's a famine incoming, and he's been trying to warn Kimball and the other big honchos about it. Either way, they were doomed.

[@terpfen]

Ulysses is a Legion-aligned character who is simply wrong about the NCR, and his statements about the NCR are meant to enlighten us as to Ulysses' motivations, not to provide a factual summary of the reality of the situation in the Mojave. Most of the characters in New Vegas incorrectly assess the NCR's posture in the Mojave. They interpret the numerous smaller problems in the Mojave as evidence of large-scale NCR inability to keep order. Progress enough in the NCR route and you find out that General Oliver deliberately deployed the majority of the NCR's forces at the Dam, because the Legion is the largest threat and has to be dealt with first. The smaller threats, everything from the Great Khans to the Fiends to the Omertas, are only able to be threats because of Caesar's endorsement and assistance; get rid of Caesar and they're just small groups that lose quickly to the NCR. NCR does protect their front lines; Oliver is focused on the Legion, Hsu on the Fiends. Kimball even won election after a military career where he mercilessly hammered the raiders and tribals that were attacking the eastern NCR population. NCR's presence in Nevada is due to the NCR military pursuing the antagonistic raiders and tribals as they fled east. The eastern frontier of the NCR is now so safe that, even with the Legion operating in the area, NCR citizens can make it safely to and from Vegas. And ask the Brotherhood of Steel about the NCR's conceptions of power. You'll get a very different answer. The lore about the NCR falling does not make sense. "The fall of Shady Sands" is a retcon that screws up New Vegas lore. The nuking of Shady Sands makes no sense; the only nuclear threat to the NCR after 2277 was Ulysses in the Divide, and he was targeting the Long 15, not Shady Sands. If the NCR had actually suffered setbacks that severe, then 1. we'd hear about it in New Vegas as the NCR soldiers would make reference to it, and 2. the NCR likely would not have been able to project power into the Mojave in the first place. Not to mention that House's long term plans to use NCR tourism to start up a new economy would never have worked because the NCR would have already been on the decline by 2281. The showrunners wanted to do something bold that acts as a dramatic hook for the TV show. They don't care about the games, they care about the show. Todd Howard should have recognized and rejected this.

[@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638]

Ah yes because Ulysses is the sane voice of reasoning we should be using to see the future lmao

[@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638]

@@terpfen Well said, also in the show, Mr house is seen at a meeting where everyone agrees with vault tec's plan to nuke the US for no reason, and is given the date of when this'll happen, meanwhile in NV, Mr house says that he ran projections about when the bombs would drop, and was off by 20 hours, he also said that he wanted to preserve as much humanity as possible

[@terpfen]

@@gooberaureliusmaximusiii6638 Exactly. Another reason why the show is good from an entertainment/adaptation standpoint but is a total mess from a lore perspective.

[@meteosoal]

it would be interesting a convo of them after the second battle and the real fall of Shady Sands

[@UMCorian]

Holy crap, how is this the first time I've seen this video. I totally forgot about this 100%. This is a direct repudiation of the feedback that the creators of the TV series didn't pay attention to New Vegas or respect it. The creators of New Vegas respected it and knew it better than the average Fallout fan.

[@kingimmortanjellyrobert9163]

Bro you do know this is AI correct? This youtuber used AI to create a video of Mr. House talking to a Ron Perlman Courier. It is not in New Vegas.

[@UMCorian]

@@kingimmortanjellyrobert9163 Ah... I had thought they were using AI to vocalize the dialogue choice for the Courier, but were playing the lines from the actual game. Stiil cool vid, sad it wasn't in New Vegas.

[@adamalexander4883]

@@UMCorianIt still makes for a fitting and logical explanation.

[@DoriansPortrait]

Something I always enjoy about hearing house speak is how eloquent he is with his words, how articulate he is with his words. These things can't help but to show this man's intelligence.

[@Ricardo_Rick]

i hope there is more of those videos, it was really interesting. Also, a shame the NCR fell, i wanted another power to oppose the brotherhood, but sadly i doubt one will exist now, the the brotherhood are just fanatical

[@nameless5512]

As untrustworthy as House may be, he is much better at planning than either of the three other Factions. But considering the fact that I’m crazy, I couldn’t give more of a damn. From Chaos we were born, and to Chaos we shall return.

[@epicfox567]

Fantastic writing!

[@AvarageYoututbeUser]

New California will rise from the ashes stronger.

[@adamalexander4883]

Mr. House is the fed up Sims player: you try to let them have free will, but eventually you get sick of them F-ing around and not creating success, so you take their free will away and take direct control of their lives because you know that’s what will ultimately make them thrive.

[@PXTSERYU_]

An interesting idea: Arcade Gannon and Caesar, in private, debate their ideologies. It'd be interesting owing to the fact that they're sort of two sides of the same coin. Hope you consider - would love to see it.

[@zemasterbenb]

The fall of NCR is logic and predictable. We saw it in FNV. They can't protect their citizens, their roads supplies, they can't applied law and order to the Mojave if we don't help them. Even some NCR characters said that they are overextended. The Republic is crumbling on it's own weight. The corruption, the greeds of politicians and the war against a great power pushed the NCR to his limit. And we can tell, this began in 2277 with the first battle of Hoover Dam, they almost lost the battle, remember.

[@luiszuniga2859]

Mr. House was right...

[@darthdragonborn1552]

This is probably a stupid question, but do you happen to know when this scene would take place if it were to happen in a playthrough? It looks like he already has the desert armor. This and the 2 new videos that are post game, and the House Vault to vid, are so good I want them to be canon to my next playthrough lol. This scene could really be anywhere it seems tho, just after talking to the ncr like he said and honest hearts.

[@TheCouriersGambit]

Not a stupid question! I didn't place this one anywhere in particular time-wise. Maybe The Courier did a couple of quests helping out at Forlorn Hope, etc.

[@octosalias5785]

Their main forces were diverted to the Hoover Dam twice, leaving them wide open for infiltration. Which likely happened in 2277 when Hank took Lucy back, the Enclave likely got the cold fusion device and then they did it again during New Vegas

[@Zoombeanie132]

I love the writing in these, you're really good at this! Although I feel like House wouldn't agree with the NCR's founding values, he was only ever in it for himself and his vision of New Vegas/humanity. He despises democracy sees it as a weakness.

[@melissalee2153]

This sounds so like what's going on today.

[@denisnevsky3734]

Doesn't House predicting this sort of contradict his post- hoover dam plans? He says that his plan is to use the NCR citizens money to build up vegas into a more advanced society, but that doesn't really work if he also thinks that the NCR is falling apart. The NCR can be a "Society of Customers" because of the relative security that NCRs core lands provides its citizens. If those citizens have to deal with their country falling apart at the seems, and have to worry about their future survival, they're not gonna have time to go to new vegas and contribute to its economy.

[@KrystalklearEntertainment]

This makes sense. Well done!

[@DragonMrDarkness]

"that's not setting a very high bar" hahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahhahahaha

[@hayro252]

Hoping that showrunners see this

[@charliegrady2640]

I would like to see a canon house ending on the show. I think they could do a lot with his character

[@john-rpg]

it will be a really good mod if someone make AI courier voice into the gane

[@Alex_FRD]

Is the people's republic thing a reference to KnightRaven? Also, this is another fantastic fan lorefix.

[@TheCouriersGambit]

thank you! and hahaha yes, the oxhorn meme

[@Janištokix]

If only Bethesda and showrunners cared about the lore as much as you do.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

They actually did, why did you think the NCR are just raiser groups

[@brothers_of_nod]

Subscribed.

[@danieljones4256]

Wait a minute is this actual dialogue from the game?

[@rw7118]

No this is AI generated

[@danieljones4256]

Oh.

[@trentr9762]

@@danieljones4256 its worth playing through mv if you havnt yet, get the version with the DLC included, they are super!

[@9000Dogs]

​@@danieljones4256Could easily pass as Canon though.

[@Kingofturves]

Human scripted, AI voice generator

[@songsayswhat]

Looking back on it, how is Lake Mead's water any cleaner than anywhere else? Lake Mead is fed by the Colorado River. It's not a free-standing lake. It was formed by the dam. Did NV ever explain how the water was clean?

[@TheCouriersGambit]

That’s a great question! I always figured the lake was clean since Mr. House was able to stop most of the warheads from hitting the Vegas area, but I didn’t consider the Colorado flowing into Lake Mead.

[@docwhiskey996]

These are great

[@joshuagraham2843]

So 3 years before the bombing shady sands, so it was foreshadowing and its canon?!?

[@kingimmortanjellyrobert9163]

no its a AI vid

[@MrBlazinerday]

I hope this doesnt lead to a ruined storyline. Hopefully the shows creators dont go heavy on the Hollywood tropes and keep what was good.

[@hsin-jochangvivas5356]

Shouldn't new vegas happened in 2081 after shady sands destruction?

[@TheCouriersGambit]

destruction of Shady Sands was already confirmed to happen after New Vegas, meaning that the "Fall" in 2277 does not refer to the town being nuked

[@thebk247]

show this video to every new vegas fanboy complaining about the lack of ncr in the show

[@ihavenomouthandimusttype9729]

Congratulations, your fanfiction is more coherent and sensible than the entirety of the 150 million dollar Fallout TV show. Personally, I don't need a head canon to explain the fall of Shady Sands. It's quite simple: the show runners are idiots.

[@lordoblivion8038]

Fallout hater eh? Understandable

[@MichaelHodgkinson]

New Vegas fan boy

[@ihavenomouthandimusttype9729]

@@MichaelHodgkinson My first was Fallout 3. I'm a Bethesda fan. But that apparently rare breed that can recognise a crappy Game adaptation. Skyrim didn't need a head canon to explain the fall of the Imperial city.

[@BillBrothersHeatingandAir]

How did a single year lore misstep ruin the entire show? I’m still so confused that some people are so stuck on this that they legitimately cannot enjoy anything else

[@ihavenomouthandimusttype9729]

@@BillBrothersHeatingandAir You misunderstand. Literally everything about the writing is ridiculous. Its a nonsense plot full of contrivances with a trio of unlikable poorly written characters as POVs. The fact it exists in a universe known for it's excellent writing makes all of this even worse. The disrespect it shows for lore that had previously escaped Bethesda's heavy hand is insulting to a fan base that's over 20 years invested in this IP. The chief amongst these lore rewrites is the "fall of Shady Sands" which is often misconstrued as the butthurt attempt by either Bethesda fans or Bethesda itself to retcon the events of New Vegas - the hated refuge of the enemy and nonchalantly kill off the most iconic faction after the BoS off screen. Whether spite or incompetence it ruined a previously unsullied part of Fallout.

[@greatguytv]

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