Ocarina of Time - Wrong Warp to Any Scene (without SRM)

[@Patashu]

OoT, the premier security vulnerability analysis video game

[@kargaroc386]

Turns out once you have a couple entry point glitches, programs just crumble to pieces. Kinda reminds me of the common wisdom with servers where, if you have physical access to the hardware, you (the software developer) have already lost the battle.

[@NeunEinser]

This is so glorious, and reads like an April Fools joke. "It'll warp to a location based on the enemy music volume", "Some enemies like bemos don't update the value", "Don't go too far into the baby dodongo room as to spawn them, or you'll mess up the music volume". This really sounds like an OoT glitch paradoy, the fact that it's real makes it better 😁

[@jongyon7192p]

The very important difference is that it explains "why?" at every step. Key to catch most misinformation on the internet

[@TSRStormed]

who knew crankin the stereo volume up n down and passin the aux cord caused such a scene at the party that is called ocarina of time speedruns

[@TheIrishBub]

And so continues the tradition of finding new OoT glitches after GDQ runs!

[@SgvSth]

Based on MrCheeze's Pastebin, it looks like this was being poked around on January 17th, which is the same day as the GDQ run for OoT.

[@Jademalo]

Every time I think the most OoT glitch has been discovered you go and discover a new one that's *even more* OoT. Awesome work, this is wild

[@Zeru64_]

"You can warp to arbitrary scene A, then setup a new enemy music volume, then die to warp again to scene B, and so on!" This feels like huge for longer categories.

[@MrCheeze]

There's limitations from some scenes not having any enemy music, though (boss scenes don't, for example). Then you can't chain to a new location (unless you have a way to use Farore's Wind, which can be used to store the entrance value while you go somewhere else to set the volume.)

[@Kaztalek]

absolutely brilliant. I hate it

[@Valientlink]

Likewise. This is gonna turn several categories into a mess. It's an amazing find regardless. This is insanely game breaking and I don't think a lot of people want to play on gamecube now, especially someone like myself who only plays on N64, or played. Haven't really ran in years

[@rosstaylor8954]

@@Valientlink I think another issue that needs to be taken into account (especially for older games like OoT) is hardware availability - GC was discontinued 17 years ago, which immediately rules a lot of people out of the running when it comes to having to change consoles just to remain competitive.

[@Valientlink]

@@rosstaylor8954 It would lead to WAD being allowed probably. It might be for top 10% like dolphin for OoT, haven't really seen it used though. People had discs when any% did the credits warp in Kokiri. but they aren't allowed in MQ I think. Japanese GC discs aren't easy to come by and are pricey. Still, it's basically changing versions but GC has a tiny bit less input lag than VC and the pausing isn't that bad. I'm more unenthusiastic how categories will probably end up looking. Some limitless warp, that's a big thing. Only thing we can do is wait to see how it's routed or how broken it can really be

[@CountLG]

Amazing discovery and brilliant work to you and Nat. Ocarina of Time truly never dies and it's in part thanks to people like you who continue to push the game so much further than anyone could have imagined. Thank you for all your hard work on this!!

[@itsmejinxfromleagueolegendsrea]

I'm so glad people are still discovering stuff in this game

[@notalostnumber8660]

ZFG will need to re route Max% Child now

[@DryConcrete]

Hopefully he comes back to speedrunning if this trick becomes useful for longer runs

[@Fenrikaz]

2024 lotad's are gonna be interesting!!!

[@4203105]

This only being on the GameCube version puts a little damper on that. But still interested to see what's going to come off this.

[@cathybaraaa]

Feb 21st my beloved

[@Icalasari]

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[@homerfunky]

Wtf that's amazing

[@phlori5024]

Ah lovely, manmade horrors beyond my comprehension :)

[@thehockeymontages4338]

Pog

[@Jelster64]

what the heck good stuff

[@MrCheeze]

A demo of some things that are possible, by Danny: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpiTo3h5e7-XiLM EDIT: And a full glitch explanation by him: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnOTamibfaeleck

[@Wockes]

Cool

[@J4CKNO1R]

yeah ok caliborn

[@Ricar2002YT]

Insane

[@_demitri]

Stop, stop! OoT is already dead!

[@jtown2909]

I think this and other recent discoveries already disproves that

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

OoT will never die, it's secrets are vaster than the oceans.

[@brofenix]

Damn :O

[@Lunascaped]

Holy shit Cheeze

[@ChillOWisp]

Oh man, this is awesome!! I wonder if theres a way to set up a direct warp to the credits with this? or is Ganon the closest we can get to the end of the game this way?

[@MrCheeze]

The glitch can't set cutscene values.

[@thisismyaccount823]

I don't know why entrance 1E00 specifically would be coded in such a way that it'd look for the enemy volume value to set the next entrance. Was it intentionally coded in, or is that just a "byproduct" of some other code?

[@BagaJr]

Is it possible to wrong warp on any map or is DC just special because it has so many moving pillars? Are there some areas that don't have any dynapolys?

[@MrCheeze]

Many have them - but DC has unusually many due to the jaw and moving pillars. And not every scene has the loading planes you can use for it, either. It's just a very convenient place.

[@BruceShankle]

Question, can this work on the US/JP versions of vanilla GC OoT from MQ/collecttors edition discs without being played on gamecube hardware, such as on bizhawk? Or must dolphin be used?

[@MrCheeze]

The frame buffer won't have the gamecube/wii-specific hack of updating only when you pause. Instead, depending on the emulator/graphics plugin/etc, it might update every frame or never update at all. Also even when it does update, the values won't match that of the Gamecube/Wii. (Actually, even Dolphin doesn't get the values exactly correct.)

[@MrCheeze]

oh also I forgot room dupes will just crash on bizhawk/n64. lmao

[@BruceShankle]

@@MrCheeze Now that I think about it, doesn't the OOB chu hovering required for this also do that? lol

[@anotherhumanbeing3300]

which gamecube version of the game is this? I know there is the version where you can play vanilla and master quest, there is also the bundle release with majoras mask and the windwaker demo

[@MrCheeze]

It works in both (see description). This was using the version with MQ though.

[@skeleton_craftGaming]

Is this faster than the DT blue warp wrong warp though?

[@MrCheeze]

This is faster than Ganonfloor, which in turn is faster than the wrong warp from Deku Tree.

[@skeleton_craftGaming]

@@MrCheeze is it? Why?

[@MrCheeze]

@@skeleton_craftGaming There's already some WRs set using Ganonfloor which you can check. But the fact that it skips having to get bottle and skips having go through all of collapse, are some differences that come to mind. _This_ is faster than Ganonfloor for one reason only. It skips the final collapse cutscene before the Ganon fight, which is over a minute long.

[@skeleton_craftGaming]

@@MrCheeze oh that makes sense, if you couldn't tell I'm not a speed runner...

[@emmastarr5242]

But the important question is...does this work on an English version of the game? 🤔

[@MrCheeze]

Yeah (see description)

[@Unveilerino]

You mentioned each pause only has a 50% chance of of filling in the correct buffer, but is the visual cue reasonably identifiable? Also I think the fact that you can store the glitched entrance with Farore’s Wind and keep chaining it based on the enemy music volume deserves its own video. This is just a whole new level of broken!

[@MrCheeze]

You can't know whether a pause worked or not. You just have to do it enough times to be confident for your personal risk/reward level. (I think ganonfloor is like this also.)

[@thisismyaccount823]

I don't know why entrance 1E00 specifically would be coded in such a way that it'd look for the enemy volume value to set the next entrance. Was it intentionally coded in, or is that just a "byproduct" of some other code?

[@MrCheeze]

When you look up that entrance index, which reads from far beyond the actual length of the entrance table, it ends up looking at data that happens to vary.