MrGirl Gets Into A Heated Debate w/ Demonama, Moderator President Sunday Steps In | Destiny Reacts

Last night on Destiny, MrGirl debates Demonmama on gender and pronouns and moderator President Sunday steps in ft. Aiko...
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[@Bubba_Hubba]

Nightmare blunt rotation 🥶

[@asimplewizard]

But godly crack pipe rotation

[@eli8444]

@@asimplewizard nah. I wouldn't share my meth with these people.

[@NerdTheNinja]

Literally wanted to say this when i read the notif.

[@autozone5695]

Actually though

[@Focus716]

“THIS IS NOT YODIE LAND” 🫣😱

[@adamulicny]

Max got banished to the shadow realm. Having debates with DemonMama and PresidentSunday is a fitting punishment.

[@Shayanzass]

He banished himself lol

[@SpitFireDebates]

Spot on 🤣

[@michaelfavata2720]

Sounds like one of the lower levels of hell.

[@alexwheatley541]

I really hope this experience helps him understand that these people got “dog piled by dgg” because they’re actually dumb fuck morons and not because Destiny is some sort of abusive dick

[@TheVideogamehideout]

@@michaelfavata2720 The question is which one

[@winterh46334]

Demonmama, Mr Girl and Sunday. God what an unholy trio of people that could not have a single 5 min conversation with anyone not being terminally online.

[@ktaveras81]

One might say they are part of a dark triad

[@PuddingXXL]

@@ktaveras81 Enjoy your ban transphobe/homophobe/Ableist/racist RAcoon! What do you mean we're hateful? Don't you know we're protected and thus our opinions are free of wrongdoing? That's how I imagine a keffals fan would react.

[@phillipoliverholtz9226]

Deamonmama sounds like a develishdude

[@KobeniGaming]

@@phillipoliverholtz9226 cringe

[@gigamunch4688]

@@phillipoliverholtz9226 kkkkk

[@Alistair_McCullom]

One thing I learned from TV is that when the bad guys team up, their egos will destroy the alliance before they can even do anything

[@PuddingXXL]

Look at sneako and tate. Or Ye and Trump. Or trump and desantis. There is tons of examples but overblown egos usually.lead to conflict. I mean Elon only did buy Twitter because he was forced to after doing a dumb statement and a pre contract and to make a statement against other rich influential people ..

[@ab-hx8qe]

Let’s see how Solomon Grundy, bizarro, and Down syndrome lex Luthor do.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

You need Lex Luther to hold the Legion of Doom together.

[@coreyander286]

Like with Milo, Fuentes and Ye, too.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@John athan I was thinking more like Copperhead and the Cheetah.... you know, the B-Listers...

[@hikaz8704]

My brain can't handle the 400 iq of this convo. I knew I was out of my depth when the shit analogy happened.

[@BonsaiFrost]

I went to the bathroom to see if that helped. Still didn’t get this shit.

[@PuddingXXL]

That was honestly the most intelligent thing said in there lol

[@CausalityLoop]

I can feel myself becoming fascinated by Factorio more and more every second.

[@mcblu9344]

Hahahahahahaha

[@typhoidmary2967]

when your anecdotes start with "so i called this guy a nazi on twitter" you know your life is worthwhile and meaningful

[@ChunkyJo]

My dad uses twitter regularly for sports and I absolutely hate twitter and actively avoid. Every once in a whole hell run into a political debate and tell me about it. So I had to make a rule that if his story starts with “so this guy on twitter…” Then I don’t want to hear it.

[@123sleepygamer]

DM is literally the most deranged hard lefty zealot still to this day, Vowsh created that abomination, don't forget.

[@darkmoon137]

Who was in Paris? Why were they there?

[@spyder_33]

Twitter is for the gayses and wannabe victims

[@Kev7035]

@@darkmoon137 niggas, just partying

[@518UN4]

As a trans viewer I have to say Destiny is the best trans commentator. Girl name, Man beard, Nonbinary hair and the takes are solid as well.

[@joshuawinters6591]

I thought the three descriptions were your names for Mr. Girl, President Sunday, and DemonMama LOL

[@spinosaurusstriker]

The blue hair is mostly a femenine stereotype so nah, his computer is binary though.

[@dirtydnabeats]

As a member of DGG, I must bully you for the cringe "girl name" joke, didn't laugh. Not even a good try tbh + anime pfp. Hold this L

[@bass7100]

There's no such thing as a "trans" person.

[@studiogimli7645]

@@spinosaurusstriker yeah even back in the day it was for old grandmas lol

[@fatnose0]

Skip to 1:25:25 to avoid the cringe

[@chronographer]

Thanks I needed this.

[@gggggggggg44100]

Thank you

[@thesisko3715]

😂

[@FilmStains]

Thank you

[@Alisha1686]

😂

[@user-cd4ms6cf8l]

What i enjoy about being online is logging off and not being concerned over remedials online. People like this literally live in 24/7 misery

[@slyose6154]

it's that easy

[@iwannabethekid34xc]

You watch Destiny, you're the remedial.

[@relaxed8365]

@@iwannabethekid34xc imagine defending schizomama. now THAT'S mental illness.

[@spyder_33]

@@iwannabethekid34xc 👈found the hate watcher

[@soul4109]

@@iwannabethekid34xc your mother is remedial

[@LRecon19]

President Sunday and DemonMama are like two different AI that learned sentience by watching 10k hours of Vaush content

[@thesisko3715]

Lmfao

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

Does Vaush even do political content anymore?

[@travistravinyle4207]

funny stuff so true

[@HostileTakeover555]

Facts

[@arilist5987]

The fact that I found myself rooting for Mr Girl here really says something about the other people in this debate

[@Doncergio]

TRUEEEEE lmao. I was unironically thinking “wow they’re doing Max dirty” but then I realized what a shitbag he is and I stopped caring.

[@rollsreus3862]

It actually says more about you than you realize

[@iank1234]

“Max you have one hour. I’m going to go catch a spider” *throws earbuds and lunges out of chair at spider* Off screen President Sunday draws his mighty blade, cape billowing in the wind as the spider stares into his soul. With one great swing of his sword his foe is cleaved in two, spraying entrails across a thousand acres of bookshelves. His home is safe.

[@MelissaM83]

Why do I picture this in cartoon 😂

[@deadteddybears_7302]

Love it, in the future use “cleaved in twain” it gives it a more old timey feel

[@NyklausCopernicus]

Some say to this day that those bookshelves go on forever...

[@nickzakrath7080]

You forgot to give him a fedora.

[@arieloliver3219]

That's exactly how he thinks he looks

[@Wesker3996]

Isn´t Aiko like 40 years old? The fact that she is able to have a very comfortable life while simultaneously not being able to handle any form of confrontation is absoulutely mind-boggling.

[@asimplewizard]

Bruh why are they RPing Death Note characters the first 10 minutes? "Now allow us to start off with an analogy. Umm, um, ummm, okay so um." "Indeed, now allow me to retort!" "Whereas you see-"

[@sbeiting07]

“…Merry Christmas…”

[@tecategpt1959]

They arent real humans, it's Jewish propaganda to distract you from the goal of taking back Jerusalem

[@asimplewizard]

@@tecategpt1959 that's a weird thing to say.

[@SpitFireDebates]

This level of discourse is the type of discourse these 3 deserve. I could not imagine a more miserable bunch.

[@Christian-qp4co]

You realize destiny and mrgirl both literally agree on the main point of the discussion right

[@chriswheal8204]

*This level of discourse that destiny spent years engaging in which he has now ascended above to discuss "Umm guys do women care about how much money a guy makes?"

[@SpitFireDebates]

@@Christian-qp4co you realize this debate was toxic and the way they all chose to engage with each other is exactly how they deserve to be treated, right?

[@SpitFireDebates]

@@chriswheal8204 no idea what that has to do with them being toxic people. Destiny sucks at reading people, big deal. These 3 truly are awful. Deflect and ride them harder, my dude 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Nikifuj908]

@@SpitFireDebates Chris Wheal sounds more like a disgruntled DGGer. TBH I’m in Destiny’s community and I want him to go back to talking policy.

[@gonzo2049]

listening to demonmama and sunday talk to each other at the start was physically hard to listen to

[@lolwhatidk]

same, i had to turn it off

[@gonzo2049]

i genuinely have no idea how anyone find any value or enjoyment out of it. its not even funny watching them, its just a mixture of bewilderment and annoyance. like what the actual fuck was that convo

[@Immor7alBG]

They make your average stand up comedian look like a comedy god in comparison.

[@poadude]

I actually had to skip it, especially with the tone of them trying to be silly and joke around. I feel like it’s a personal spiritual failing on my part but I literally cannot handle that level of cringe it’s not even funny to hate watch. It makes me question who I am. Why did dad leave? Did she really mean that when she said I’m a bad lover? Why is demon mama so confident in her stupidity? Am I to blame?

[@OpiatesAndTits]

She does the Vaush thing where you could say “gender is socially enforced” but because you want people to believe your a deep thinker you say “the axiomatic application of gender schemas by a dominate social hierarchy underpins the enforcement of gender norms” It’s more words to say the same thing. The difference between DM and Vaush is he occasionally has novel and interesting things to say while demon mama thinks it’s a dunk to say the Holocaust can’t be a genocide because the definition wasn’t invented until after it occurred. This not understanding language to even the most basic degree.

[@unleashedplayer]

Why does it sound like Sunday constantly has a mouthful of peanut butter?

[@Onthebrink5]

It would be marmite. Guarantee that he hates PB.

[@unleashedplayer]

@@Onthebrink5 sounds very likely yeah

[@TophinatorStreams]

How else are they supposed to make it look like he’s talking?

[@Quake2Freak]

DM: "Sorry there were two interruptions so you'll have to wait longer." Immediately starts interrupting and making excuses as to why she did it.

[@Imperial_Squid]

"I feel like demon mama hasn't thought about any of these issues before" buddy you'd be amazed at the lack of thoughts bouncing around some people's brains, their skull is like that screen with the DVD logo bouncing around in it

[@avikaurelius4992]

“When I am sarcastic it is a critique of absurd actions of others, when they are sarcastic it is a window into their soul”

[@happiestman978]

Who said that?

[@avikaurelius4992]

@@happiestman978 no one, it’s a fake quote making fun of people who give their side constant positive interpretations while acting like any joke from the other side is secretly a dog whistle

[@happiestman978]

@@avikaurelius4992 Now l'm a little embarrassed, that was dense of me. Thanks for explaining the joke

[@BengalW]

Man, I feel like 3 months ago Sunday, and DM would've treated MrG like nuclear waste, I wonder what happened 🤔 P.S. posted this before I finished the video

[@user-cd4ms6cf8l]

The far left can tolerate maps or preds, but not transphobes

[@kalinsimovski5081]

Hnmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@TheZubaz]

familiar face 😉

[@CausalityLoop]

When I'm this close to Demonmama content it's like walking near radiation in Fallout, like I feel my biology slowly taking damage.

[@Onthebrink5]

Ghoul ability it.

[@titanscar2183]

I can't handle this much mental illness

[@Hankblue]

Mr Girl is basically right here, although he adds unnecessary convolution as usual. Pronouns aren’t titles, they’re descriptors, and most people use them to describe someone’s sex, not gender. You can’t really force people to mean something different when they use true descriptors about you. You can negotiate with them, and if they like you they’ll probably listen, but there’s no moral basis for demanding they mean something entirely different from what they intended.

[@heraldofoblivion499]

People don't use chromosomes to determine gender. They predate our idea of sex as a whole. We don't check to see someone's penis or vagina when we declare them male or female. We look at how they act, talk and what they wear. Back in highschool, one of my pals had super long hair and wasn't that toned. It got to the point where people thought he was my girlfriend whenever we went out lol.

[@akaku9]

@@heraldofoblivion499 My guy your friend was getting bullied, not mistaken as a woman.

[@Hankblue]

@@heraldofoblivion499 Of course, and that just means people can be wrong about what they tried to describe. What it doesn't mean is that people weren't trying to describe that thing in the first place. Think about all the things you refer to that you use proxies to identify, that you can't directly verify and are sometimes wrong about. Someone told you it was raining in LA, so you tell someone else. You later find out it wasn't raining, does that mean you suddenly weren't referring to rain?

[@heraldofoblivion499]

@@akaku9 Oh no. Mfs straight up tried hitting on him until we started laughing. It was funny af

[@heraldofoblivion499]

@@Hankblue What does having a vagina have to do with having long hair? You're making an assumption based on other traits that don't have anything to do with the fact of the matter. The traits people look for when declaring gender aren't exclusive to one sex and don't indicate sex at all. Our understanding of gender predates our idea of sex. What does rain even have to do with this discussion?

[@skyefox]

The biggest tell that they're all LARPing is to sit around using their DnD voices in a debate and saying "retort" 34 times in 20 minutes.

[@Famous_Influencer]

I genuinely wish I could speak to a Demonmama fan and understand what exactly they see in her as far as intellectual discussion goes.

[@PinwheelNation]

She's just a Vaush orbiter. Same reason why people watch Xanderhal.

[@pank3245]

@@PinwheelNation But even Vaush hates demonmama

[@iz2333]

@@pank3245 They're not friends anymore but I wouldn't say hate. It's just IDpol and personal connections at work. She never has anything meaningful to say and often takes indefensible positions whenever someone she doesn't like says something correct. But since she's a trans woman who is very willing to weaponize her identity in arguments, people assume everything she says must come from a progressive place. So they're disincentivized from caring until she does it to them.

[@bucherregaldomi9084]

I'm a DemonMama fan, if you were to ask me what it is that I see her as far as intellectual discussion goes, I'd say it's her particular twists on different topics. She doesn't say anything revolutionary or new, but plenty of times it has happened that she talks about a given subject, and her opinion on it is insightful and most of all unexpected, and more importantly, it makes me learn things about myself... the thing is that for this to happen, normally it takes watching more than half hour of her content. I watch hours of her content so it happens with a small frequency (I leave her content on the background while at work). I'd guess this can happen with any content creator, so I don't think this is unique to DemonMama, i.e. if I were to watch hours of any other content creator, the same thing would happen to me, since every individual is unique in their opinions and assessments.

[@Nikifuj908]

​@@bucherregaldomi9084 When you say DemonMama needs to talk for ≥30 min. before you gain any insight, I hear that as “She wastes her viewers’ time with poorly-thought-out rambles.” Strikes me as a bit of a red flag (and not the kind with a hammer & sickle). But maybe you disagree.

[@davidloux578]

8:55 is when demonmama en sunday stop stroking themselves and the convo with mr girl begins

[@wellbutrinwarlock]

Bless you my friend

[@Benjamin-lc3gx]

thank you

[@cthegoat3987]

I feel like demon mama is never actually listening to what the other person is saying in a conversation

[@Azraelmaximilian]

Except when she hears someone saying something that agrees with her because it tricks her brain into thinking that she's still speaking

[@JooBTube]

You can’t choose your identity- but you can “CHOOSE YOUR DESTINY!” - (Mortal Kombat voice)😂 *hype music starts playing*😎

[@raymondmartini5500]

Demonmama: “there’s so many different things going on here” yeah, and none of them are in your head.

[@RedStoner1000]

I can't believe that within 3 exchanges of dialogue both Sunday And Demonmama managed to use the phrase "allow me to retort" to talk back and forth instead of just saying what they're going to say. Maybe i'm super nitpicky in how they talk but it's actually infuriating. and retorted.

[@ashleigh9659]

The construction noises get me every time

[@PuddingXXL]

Bruh I'm triggered everytime a machine goes in reverse. I immediatly jump out of my chair to see if a truck arrived at the loading table lol Happened in this video far too often.

[@tombullard6167]

@@PuddingXXL its driving me crazy!

[@thekanthalkid4273]

I completely agree with your take Desitny about people can't just choose a new identity, but they can choose to do things to change their identity. Wouldn't this mean people who just say they are women (who were born male) aren't women, but if they actually do the things to change that identity, like take hormone blockers, surgery, or present as that gender. So many people seem to just say they identify as something, without doing the things to actually be identified as that thing by others.

[@newyorkugly]

Jesus Christ, that whole discussion at the beginning sounds like every conversation you'd hear walking through a stairwell at high school where all the social misfits hung out.

[@jackpaul3315]

Dont take the Lords name in vain.

[@phillipoliverholtz9226]

Don't take the misfits or socially awkward names in vein. Idk where you went to school, but its what you'd hear in a therapy session from extreme outliers.

[@atraidiesl3549]

It’s too early to watch demi gods go at it.

[@MrMctastics]

😂

[@VerdeDrums]

Aiko is just happy to be there

[@johnlauer4787]

Final Factory XIV is looking wild

[@user-cd4ms6cf8l]

Well, like, um, well, like, um, you can't be mean man

[@123sleepygamer]

@@user-cd4ms6cf8l "I just can't handle these spaces, emotionally." *Proceeds to insert herself into a Chud Logic panel*

[@Yor_gamma_ix_bae]

I don't know what's wrong with her but God that person is a dumb hypocrite.

[@johns1625]

@@user-cd4ms6cf8l "a pronoun is, like, just a word, like, it's not actually even real, so.."

[@slumberingpierrot2967]

So let me get this straight: Demonmomma is saying that a dude making fun of vegans by calling them nazis, somehow makes him a nazi. I think demonmomma has a lot of explaining to do if what they're asserting is true, because they sure seem to like to call people nazis.

[@xXFluffers]

"A pronoun is a thing in language that has many different uses" 💀

[@Alistair_McCullom]

Plus always happy to see YMS here

[@enlightenednormie242]

Timestamps are absolutely essential to endure this level of cancer!

[@jaxsonhammerkawk7436]

The shit analogy in the beginning was a good indicator of the discourse that followed

[@eyelesscrow69]

i hate when ppl actually think that by not wanting to call someone by their pronouns is the same as trying to control what that person wants to call themselves... i dont want to be told what to do based on your "self declared law" and if the conversation is to be hung on some stupid shit like that then i dont wanna talk to that person, dont get it mixed that because i dont want to be in that situation that im triyng to police what you are trying to call yourself.

[@deathbycognitivedissonance5036]

💯

[@danpolta8759]

You have a right to call someone by the wrong name, but there's no reason for you to act like you're an authority on someone else. Just be normal.

[@eyelesscrow69]

@@danpolta8759 you missed the point, since as far back as we can recall calling someone Him/Her was normal and then now you have ppl that are trying to force change that, there is no "acting like i have authority" no one has authority over anyone but it seems like there is a small vocal amount of ppl that want to assume authority over what i say to them. if they cant handle what has been a norm then dont be angry when someone does the norm.

[@GKJusticar55]

I thought this was Destiny talking with, respectively, colo-rectal, brain and liver cancer. Fortunately his interaction was facilitated by an anti-contamination screen.

[@poadude]

ah yes, I tip to you good sir.

[@Observette]

Destiny’s lost his damn mind with this Factorio game. Happy Birthday Psycho!

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

I think Destiny has the worst taste in games. It's a tossup which makes me want to stop being alive more: Factorio or Darkest Dungeon

[@a.d1775]

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor factorio slaps try it believe me

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

@@a.d1775 I don't have autism.

[@spyder_33]

@@a.d1775 it looks to be more of a job than a game with all the micromanagement although it does look interesting

[@sams7068]

Yeah well a lot of great games are just jobs with no stakes or deadlines lol, take that part out and it becomes a lot less soul crushing

[@DrStrangelove_]

Instead of diet Coke this afternoon I think I'm going to drink some sis coke

[@spuddie3207]

All these Destiny clip channels keep tricking me into watching these other freaks streams because Destiny is sitting quietly in the bottom right corner smh.

[@crushinnihilism]

As someone with an academic philosophy education, these conversations hurt so much.

[@Polydueces]

At around 15:00, he's talking about Musk. I work with a bunch of people who have aspergers and no offense to people with the affliction but they all act the same. So when super genius Musk makes weirdly pedestrian tweets, I don't see it as dumb or he must be out of his mind. He's just super socially awkward.

[@yeezystreetteam]

i thought nick, ye, and alex jones was the nightmare blunt rotation.... but i was infinitely wrong.

[@jimmyramos1989]

A word is something we use for a lot of different reasons. Wow. I'm a just just like Demon Mama. SO so smart.

[@taylorrobinson7534]

This must have the hardest level of Factorio for Destiny to get through

[@chronographer]

This debate, DM: 'Pronouns are like... Words...? And words can mean whatever we want them to mean.' Max: 'I'm going to say my point. I'm going to say it a second time slowly. I'm going to say it a third time, even slower.' Sunday: 'I'm going to rebut you!' Max: 'LET ME FUCKING FINISH! I want to repeat my point a 4th time, and a 5th time, slowly' Sunday: 'stating I was going to rebut you, is in itself a rebuttal, I will now (not) moderate.' DM: 'but, if I assume I'm right, then your wrong!' Max: 'I'll repeat myself, slowly, two more times' The end.

[@DeadpoolX9]

Bro there are PLENTY of physical differences between men and women. What are we gonna do when someone gets the wrong medical treatment because on their medical file it said their preferred gender instead of their actual gender?

[@RebirthFlame]

DemonMama sounds, acts, and does the same type of facial expressions as Tucker Carlson. LOL

[@Lt.BunnyGirl]

I agree with Destiny's pronouns take to a point: Pronouns are a gendered stand in for a person. Without knowing a person's gender you fall back on your perception of their gender. Once you find out their gender, you now have more information and don't have to rely on perceived gender. A person's pronouns aren't their "preferred" pronouns, they *are* their pronouns. Mrg linking pronouns to sex rather than gender is the big problem with his argument.

[@pc3340]

Success is luck and hard work + responsibility. Any one who says otherwise is either immature or coping. Now luck is somewhat able to be manipulated. You can work to put yourself in situations where good luck (opportunities) are more likely to happen. And then, you have to be able to execute on the opportunities (working hard + responsibility)

[@threetoadsloth]

Thank you, holy shit, destiny's statement about musk being mostly lucky made me feel like he was coping super hard

[@VerniasAugoeides]

​@@threetoadslothall three things in the equation matter, luck just matters the most

[@LuridContent]

That panel was literally the Mos Eisley of panels.

[@Tauramehtar]

President Mouth-Full-of-Peanut-Butter back at it again.

[@kayokayo7917]

Pronouns are based on sex. Be it human or cat, people base the pronouns they use on others based on the sex they perceive.

[@Savannah-]

You don't perceive sex though. I can't perceive your chromosomes or hopefully your genitalia. I can perceive secondary sex characteristics or gendered things about you. If pronouns are based on sex you'd call a cis woman who looks like a man she, if they're based on perception of "sex" you'd say he. If you'd correct yourself to she despite a biological female being perceived as a man by you why couldn't you just do that for trans people?

[@kayokayo7917]

@@Savannah- How can I not perceive sex? How else does a heterosexual male identify a female? My cat, is a he because he's male, not a man. Breasts can be perceived, hips can be perceived. Hell, smoother skin can be perceived. I can "perceive" how deep a person's voice is. Not having broad shoulders can be perceived. Those are all identifying sexual traits. Yes, the gender traits can also be used as identifiers, but that's off like a quick glancing look or if that person works tirelessly to hide and deceive people perception of those sexual features through make-up, surgery, and artificial hormones. 2/3s of "gender affirming care" has nothing to do with gender social constructs. I do refer to females who "looks like a man" as she. They're also known as tomboys. Do you refer to work boot wearing, football loving car mechanic tomboys who don't wear make up as he? Or does she have to verbally identify as a man before you do?

[@Savannah-]

@@kayokayo7917 You're speaking of secondary sex characteristics not everyone of a sex has. There are cisgender females with rough skin, no boobs, a deeper voice. Opposite for cis men. There are very feminine appearing women due to their secondary sex characteristics that you'd generally know even if they wore masculine clothing. There are other cisgender women that can wear gender neutral clothes and still appear as a man to some. The issue is what you're saying is contradictory. Do we base pronouns on what we see? I'm not asking about someone who still appears as a woman but dresses like a tomboy. I'm asking about someone who looks like a biological male to you. If it's based purely on your perception of their sex you'd call them he. If it's based on their actual sex it'd be she. Which is it? You're saying two things and equating them. To answer your question I call people by my perception and change if they ask. I'm ignoring the random transphobia you threw in there.

[@kayokayo7917]

@@Savannah- What?!? How can you "appear as a woman, while dressed like a man"? Do you mean appear female, and dress like a man? I don't see the contradiction. What is perceived is irrelevant to my point anyway. Perceptions can be flawed and manipulated. You can call them septenary sexual characteristics of you want, it's still sexual characteristics and they're extremely reliably used to identify a persons sex. If someone saw a completely nude, no make-up, bald female in a t-pose (zero perceived social constructs) almost everyone on the planet would say "she is naked". Full stop. It seems the only time the rules change are when dealing with the trans community. When people speak on animals, (no human social constructs) we use sex pronouns. Cis-humans? Sex pronouns. Trans? "Well you know it depends because this or that." I'd bet even you do it. I should rephrase my question. That tomboy I described, her entire body says female, every social construct she adheres to is that of a man, she or he? Or does she need to communicate it. It's not a trap, I'm genuinely curious if you value the actual facts of the social construct or their self-proclaimed identity more. You can change it if they ask but that's purely etiquette based, not grammar, sorry. Maybe deceptive is the wrong term or too harsh. A woman (gender and/or sex) hiding her imperfections with makeup may not be malicious, intentional, or evil ... but it is ____________?

[@napalmholiday9708]

I hope whoever recommended watching this debate gets banned

[@luckypants4364]

How can you say Elon was lucky? PayPal, Tesla, spacex, neurolink?????? That’s a lot of lucky consecutively.

[@luckypants4364]

Your takes have been questionable lately. Brain rot Bc the right is coming alive more on Twitter.

[@blackbeanburger3357]

its like a battle of edgy kids who lack any self-awareness and don't have any normal relationships

[@scarfhat1]

Holy shit. Mr girl, demonmama and president sunday. So glad i missed this stream. Might not even watch this full vod

[@dalodulo1373]

I feel the same way. As much as I like to see any of these 3 taken down a peg, they are all insufferable.

[@jorpo3297]

bro i've been watching in 1::30 min intervals i just can't take it

[@aguspuig6615]

And in tonights panel we have: Stereotypical ''being a man was too hard so i became a woman'' discord trans woman Perpetually passive agressive gay guy that says hes retrohyperdemiumbrasexual Call me carson with a voice mod and The asian variant of the dumb woman stereotype

[@Rallylabs]

Destiny is literally making Jordan Peterson’s exact argument on pronouns and identity here. But if Peterson said it Destiny would say he is just dogwhistling.

[@Segphalt]

While I enjoy destiny a lot, this is one of his weak points. While generally he is pretty thoughtful about things. Sometimes in regards to some people or topics he grabs the standard left position and then shuts his Brian off and repeats the generic talking points. ShoeOnHead is another person he does this for, most recently with the "shoe is giving the right pedo ammo" which in essence was just the Rittenhouse situation on a lesser scale where people just fabricated from nothing her intentions. And when people started to point that out everyone suddenly turned into a consequentialist and while shoe never linked the LGBTQ community into it (and has a history of the opposite), because the right did in this case she is now bad for it. (This is not an endorsement of either of these people as I'm not super familiar with shoe and I have heard JBP say some more recent stuff that makes me wonder if he still has his brain switched on or also just goes around repeating talking points now.

[@conot4006]

I think what Max is trying to explain at 58:00 is trans people put alot of effort in and even have surgery to pass as a specific gender. Yet at the same argue we can just pick our gender. If you can just pick your gender what is the point of trans surgery or hormone replacement. The way you present yourself in the world doesn't matter because you choose your gender.

[@Segphalt]

The disconnect I have had with this stuff has been interesting to say the least. It's very hard for me to wrap my brain around. Through all of my growing up under a liberal family and friends for the most part, I was instilled with the idea that gendered stereotypes were silly and didn't matter. People like what they like and dress how they want to dress. Then for the trans things to become relatively known and have people fully embrace gender stereotypes to help identify themselves as a gender. I've now recessed into just calling everyone their name or "hey you."

[@CurdBros]

Destiny you are exactly right. "Successful" individuals always want to discount luck in their success. Honestly it's likely 50% or more luck/timing and 50% skill/hard work. You can't be successful without hard work or skill, but you also need a lucky break or to meet the right person at the right time. It's ok to admit that luck played a roll, but too often the successful person wants to think they are the sole reason they are successful. If they are well adjusted they are willing to admit that luck and/or timing played a huge roll.

[@DGzCarbon]

Sure but it's also dismissing skill. It's both. Even destiny talking about himself he severely dismissed what he did and the steps he took to get there.

[@kevinligutom6994]

A lot of hardwork is to get you to baseline, and luck is what's needed to be successful. No amount of luck can help lazy people, hard working people can actually take advantage of lucky moments.

[@PooeyBum11]

Yeah that’s all fair, destiny is a streamer where the only real competence you need to be successful is being entertaining. Luck and hard work can go a long way as long as your entertaining But for destiny to try and extrapolate that explanation to Elon who has literally led several companies all in different industries to the cutting edge of current technology…it’s a pretty retarded attempt to try and explain away how someone so intelligent could have a different perspective to himself

[@hughmac13]

How are we defining "success" here?

[@kevinligutom6994]

@@hughmac13 Destiny literally used the example of Elon Musk

[@CaseCharbonneau]

The tweet you read from Caraballa at around 17 minute mark - did you see her at the hearing in Congress yesterday, i believe it was yesterday? Worth a watch.

[@randEveScrub]

wait is Destiny basically destroying his old factory for parts in this one?

[@thesovgc]

Destiny is so right. Thankfully I have never had anyone ask me what my pronouns are, but if that happens I will say, "People use he/him."

[@blazearmoru]

I'm fumbling with the idea of saying "you can call me whatever you want if you're not being intentionally malicious" but I have no idea how that's perceived DX

[@eddieisfiction442]

i will say that asking me is insulting and please don’t attack me again.

[@somedogsarecops2354]

Pronouns really only matter in hyper progressive spaces. Everywhere else you can look at someone and determine their gender 99.9% of the time. So no need to ask or tell.

[@thefeverdream]

The whole thing is just stupid

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Your pronouns are whatever I think you look like if I had to point you out in a crowd to someone who doesn't know you.

[@joshcastro739]

Do not bother watching this, it does not get better

[@icemanheatboy1]

Saying Elon is just lucky is the dumbest thing I've heard today

[@cldomed550]

The most unpleasant people all grouped up…

[@Mermayydman]

It's hilarious to hear Stephen talk about how Elon is lucky and unhinged....

[@Onthebrink5]

Why? Saying that something is funny is not an explanation. It is what people w/o anything more to say offer. It is funny that person x says Y about person Z.

[@Mermayydman]

@Shawn Brink I find it ironic a man with some success in life calls the most successful man in our generation arguably lucky and basically slipping on bannana peels and landing back flips... like it's pretty again "funny" to watch.

[@Mermayydman]

@Shawn Brink obviously I also gave context into what I found ironic and funny... you are just butt hurt I said I disagreed with your destiny lord.

[@Onthebrink5]

@@Mermayydman Using buzzwords as an argument kudos. Triggered you are just triggered because of your lord Elon Musk. See how easy that is?

[@Mermayydman]

@Shawn Brink "saying something funny isn't any explanation"... that's what you started with... like from the get go you wanted to be confrontational. Stop playing its mega cringe

[@ErmmmmUhhhhh]

absolute nightmare blunt rotation, this will be hard to get through

[@memeaddict4202]

Thanks for editing the garbage out unlike Sunday it takes like 1 cut and delet to do

[@TeddyOG]

Actual debate starts around ~@24:00 if anyone lacking time. Entertaining beforehand but yea *okay technically I lied, it takes them at least 20 minutes to establish anything, but the topic begins. It's like wading through molasses Max, "I am never finished" Truuuuueeee

[@ryaugn]

Success is a little bit luck and a little bit hard work. By themselves, neither would get you there

[@shellshocktm]

This stream gave me brain damage. I read the title and still watched it so it's totally on me though.

[@TophinatorStreams]

That panel was so disorganized, even my ADHD brain was like wtf.

[@andrewparksjbhs]

"Luck" is involved in every success.. but you're a fool if you you think that Elon is only lucky in his success...

[@Nemophilist850]

"when I see people like Elon, and they start to say things I don't like, suddenly it makes me think that their success was all luck"

[@meteorwalkergg]

oh I forgot Demon mama existed

[@Anfallhund]

Nightmare blunt rotation

[@thetimssportstalk3160]

The title screams GOLD CONTENT

[@ctrl.s3565]

i think the "just got lucky" meme is pretty bad. sure, you get lucky. but you also probably put waaaaay more work in than other people

[@Investigamer]

The pants shitting analogy reminded me of when Gavin McInnes and Destiny hashed out the Pool Shitters discourse lmao

[@rkdeshdeepak4131]

Destiny now: use the example of age Destiny few years ago: Opposing Ben Shapiro using age as an example

[@Trecesolotienesdos]

Success is part luck and talent. Even with talent it’s about finding the right people.

[@nannerpuddin22]

Merry Christmas 🎅 🎄

[@thefudgejudge6962]

Can you imagine saying "I love you" as you donate to a streamer that doesn't know who you are? BETA

[@chronographer]

Everyone goes mad for these e-girls.

[@calculator91]

Yeah. We live in a world where lonely bastards donate their spare change to literal millionaires because they have no one else closer to a "friend" to them.

[@thomasfranklin1346]

@@calculator91 Paying someone to say happy birthday to them is something else.

[@libertas_americana]

13:00 Destiny needs to settle down. For Destiny to think anyone can be lucky to build a space program and a electric car company is fucking insane.

[@sleepyint1633]

I think luck most certainly played a roll it doesn't undermine what he did but to say no luck is involved is just as fucking insane

[@libertas_americana]

@@sleepyint1633 when you say lucky it implies that he got lucky in the investor contacting him at the right time. I think thats fair. What Destiny is implying that Elon is actually dumb and lucked his way through life. Not the same.

[@anonymous7820]

It absolutely was a lot of luck. Starting with being born to parents that are well off.

[@libertas_americana]

@@anonymous7820 so any kid with good parents would of lucked into owning Space X and Tesla? Lol Now this type of “luck” is absurd and downplays how much Elon worked for. Youre not gonna luck your way into mutiple billion dollar companies because youre parents were good to you. Just stop.

[@bentrinker1937]

I can’t think of a more uninteresting thing to watch.

[@justinwebber9968]

People don't care what you identify as, do what you want; just don't expect to fundamentally alter their perception.

[@wisemage0]

📸 32:59 _"I hate DemonMama because she's trans..."_ -Destiny, 2022 📸

[@Julianexplosion]

This is the worst conversation I've ever heard

[@js280608]

Right place at the right time is important.(for success) You control the controllable. And attempt to account for the uncontrollables. All we can do imo.

[@SpikeJet2736]

and as you would expect the opening argument between Demonmana and President Sunday is complete nonsense. Was not disappointed

[@Velstat141]

the fact that A)sundays joke about the patriarch thing was cringe, and B) they all nearly had a stroke when he said it, double cringe.

[@meritbrevity]

Elon was the lead rocket engineer of a company that out did the today government scientist of the last 50 years.