25 Over Powered Moves Currently in Tekken 8

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@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Hey guys, much love! Please leave a comment and a like for the algorithm, it helps me out a metric fuck ton! 🤘🖤

@NeCoruption Ай бұрын

Ahh, the buff guys alternate personality, "the nerf guy" lol

@nail_HK Ай бұрын

genius

@filmrecorder5717 Ай бұрын

@@NeCoruption underrated comment

@aideltheiii4309 23 күн бұрын

but he got a point tho

@NeCoruption 23 күн бұрын

@@aideltheiii4309 oh I didn't mean anything like that, just funny jokes lol

@Jamatee Ай бұрын

The main gripe I have about many moves in Tekken 8 is the amount of them that feel impossible to move around. With this games buffed movement, I feel like bamco wants movement to be an integral part of the game, but with the amount of moves that have phantom tracking it makes it feel very discouraging to attempt. Great video! I really enjoyed it and agree with much of what you said.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

The phantom tracking thing is very weird to me. Movement has been “buffed”, they say. But I found sidestepping in Tekken 7 more effective than it seems now.

@Jamatee Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy Couldn’t agree more, from my minimal experience in Tekken 7 I also found sidestepping to be much more consistent. Although it could not be applied in as many situations as in 8. I really hope they have a plan going forward to work on the consistency of a-lot of stuff in this game, it would be so great!

@Acrophyllia Ай бұрын

Exacly. When I SS a move in tekken 7, it just works. In tekken 8, "sometimes" it still hits. Is it not sidestep-able? Did I step to the wrong side? It's confusing to learn sidestepping in this game.

@bandawin18 Ай бұрын

Tracking moves shouldn't exist, this is what orbitals are supposed to be for

@chevstevs8518 Ай бұрын

I hope they Nerf everybody else's mains and buff all mine, y'all can't have nuthin

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

😂 nice take, who’s your main?

@BeretBay Ай бұрын

If you main Steve and Lidia, I support you.

@tristanherb49 Ай бұрын

if you main steve i support

@lsv47 Ай бұрын

If you main Steve, let's go.

@Cyromento Ай бұрын

If you main Paul you have my condolences and my sympathy

@CholzizGaruda Ай бұрын

I think as a newer player to tekken (I played eliza in the last 5 months of t7 and have played bryan all of t8) one of the most discouraging parts of this game is how many things track despite not being tracking moves (to their weak side), how many strings re-align, and all the safe power crushing moves that track. It feels like learning is pointless bc even if I learn the proper way to step it doesn't matter bc everything will track anyway. And my entire kit being counter-hit focused but power crush moves don't get CH and can't just get blocked it's been so frustrating trying to learn to play "proper" tekken. I've begun ducking more in games and that's been rewarding, but I still hate safe power crushes and re-aligning strings with my entire being, as I have a defensive combo-focused playstyle

@joekline5554 Ай бұрын

Steve main here we’ve got the same issues but also no rewarding lows 🙃

@BeretBay Ай бұрын

I feel like a lot of the moves in this game just simply track when they shouldn't. I've labbed some characters and found so many moves that are inconsistently tracking sides they shouldn't even when mashing the inputs. Sometimes the moves lands, sometimes it doesn't, but when it does, the spark tends to be across the globe from where the receiving character sidesteps and visually makes no sense. Seeing this in training mode kind of pisses me off ngl, because I don't remember Tekken 7 having so many moves like that.

@AyudyaKasya Ай бұрын

Having too many tracking moves that discourage sidestepping kinda defeats the identity of Tekken being 3D fighting game, doesn't it?

@YoungSigmaGrindset Ай бұрын

Bro I picked up Kazuya last week and now im red ranks with him! Your videos helped out a lot!

@BluahGhaa Ай бұрын

The real primary problem of much of this broken moves is that the range is basically infinite...nobody complains about dragunovs b1+2 even if it puts you at -1000000 on block, BUT the drawback was always that it has limited range, up until now at least...now everything has to hit from your grandma's house away basically and it has to be superbusted...

@ChadTheThirdUK Ай бұрын

I CANNOT BELIEVE Kazuya's Demon Paw and/or patricide fist are not on this list. I see you Buff Guy...I see you 😂 Great vid as always though dude.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Hey brother, always great to hear from you! What’s wrong with cd1+2? I think it’s perfectly balanced considering it’s i25+ and is extremely linear to both sides. Devil fist I can see people disliking, but kazuya would be complete shit in this game if he didn’t have a solid mid like that to compete with the nonsense most characters have in T8. I think Devil fist is perfectly balanced. Maybe they could reduce the bit of pushback it has, but that’s it.

@ChadTheThirdUK Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy To be clear I don't think either move should be removed from the game. This is Tekken 8 after all, Casino Royal. But going from your own criteria at the start: Demon Paw is: 1) Extremely spammable in neutral 2) Has far greater reward than risk 3) Has Easy execution in contrast to its power 4) (most importantly) complements the rest of the kit extremely well by making ducking against Kazuya even more risky and moving against him far trickier (especially considering the move has an even WIDER hitbox in heat for some strange reason) As for Patricide fist: You known darn well this is the greatest gift Harada has ever given you. These two moves, much like Drag's new hatchet kick and FC low) patch the biggest holes in the characters offence (A lack of lows for Drag Vs A lack of good advancing mids for Kazuya) and make both characters harder to defend against than they've ever been. The +on block nature of it means that the infamous wave dash mix is now SAFER than ever, allowing second/third attempts if the mid is blocked correctly (again, unprecedented for the character) Does this mean the moves should be removed!? HELL NO! Without these overpowered tools Kazuya would completely drown in the new Tekken 8 Meta. BUT I still think they're worth mentioning in a discussion about power crept tools in Tekken 8. By classic tekken standards they are ridiculous!

@BeretBay Ай бұрын

@@ChadTheThirdUKI would've never thought you watched Buff Guy too. 😳

@ChadTheThirdUK Ай бұрын

@@BeretBay I'm a fan of anyone who thinks deeply about this game. Plain and simple.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

This is a very solid point. I think the move is worth discussing in a video about power crept tools. Devil fist brings kazuya up to a level he’s never been before. But is it in immediate need of an immediate nerf like the “broken characters” section I have in this video? No. I think it’s just another tool that kazuya needs in order to function in this game.

@geoffparsons1952 Ай бұрын

Tier list idea, who has the best lows in T8. Nobody ever says such and such character has great lows. It's always their bad or okay.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

@@geoffparsons1952 that’s a great suggestion!!!

@joevent Ай бұрын

Jin

@BluahGhaa Ай бұрын

Lol Lee comes to mind. Im a Lee main Tekken god btw, we DIDNT ASKED NOR NEEDED b3,3 guys...It carries SOOO MUCH...

@AzarathX. Ай бұрын

13:56 idk why this community loves to downplay hwo like he’s not comfortably in a tier, he has some of the best homing moves in the game 😭

@niconicon90 Ай бұрын

Keep the longer videos coming please! Best content for a busy work day 👍

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Will do! Longer videos is my jam 🤘 don’t work too hard!

@zackariahp1873 29 күн бұрын

As a Nina player I just don't get why they made her combos the way they are. I like the idea of the new DB2 property to help newer players who struggle with butterfly loops but why on earth do they do more damage than butterfly loops with the same wall carry. Please give us back a reason to spend hours and hours perfecting these loops which in reality aren't even needed anymore. In 7 it was done good, players who struggle to land 4 in a row can go for 1/2, less damage and wall carry but easier to do. In 8 players have no reason to even know the existence of what gave her some cool unique combo mechanic.

@DetrasDeTiImbecil Ай бұрын

I love getting high and watching your vids man, you're awesome, keep it up!

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Huge fan of betting high and Tekken content, too! That’s badass 🤘 much love.

@TheGianGame Ай бұрын

Great video as usual!🤟 I honestly would like to see low heat smash on -15, at least the ones that wall break!

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

I agree with this, even kazuya’s heat smash should be launch punishable.

@jermainestate4972 Ай бұрын

Surprised paul's wall splatting -12 low heat smash didnt make the cut. Victor's -8 15frame counterhit fishing tool steppable to both sides doesn't seem as immediately silly in comparison.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Paul can heat smash once per round. Victor can spam that safe mid all day, and they do. It’s not comparable. Paul’s heat smash isn’t even an issue, IMO.

@Ti_Fire Ай бұрын

Can we all just come together as a community and demand Jins down2 be nerfed 😂

@burntpotato7116 Ай бұрын

We have been saying that even as jin mains since launch but the devs just dont want to nerf the thing carrying the hundreds of jin newbies

@astral9807 Ай бұрын

as a jin main, d2 has destroyed jins low game. in t7 it was perfect launching hellsweep, quick low d4, good damaging 20 frame low db4 that ch launches, and d3,3 a fast low to mid string. in t8 d2 is very good online, one of the best moves in the game even online but in other settings it has singlehandedly made jins low game worse. The addition of that move combined with them taking out d3,3 has only made jin annoying for everyone online and scrubby whilst also making his low game offline worse since even at locals ppl react to d2 as a jin main id be completely fine if they just deleted the move from the game and gave us back d3,3

@burntpotato7116 Ай бұрын

@@astral9807 what i was saying,jins d2 is not good for anything apart from appealing to casuals,it makes using his lows less fun online and it makes having a decent chunky low offline hard

@cliffordsmustache Ай бұрын

Let's have a petition to delete it

@zer0cx110 Ай бұрын

@@Ti_Fire the part where it counter hits is annoying hahahaa.

@c.c.anubis Ай бұрын

Regarding the Alisa suggested nerf, not sure if someone else mentioned, but Alisa cant crouch during DES so you can't make her crouch as a nerf, the realistic nerf is on frame data and chip damage

@sloane2035 Ай бұрын

Buff love ur videos. Keep up the great work. No pressure w vids

@BustaNAugusta Ай бұрын

Lee’s ff,3 has stupid phantom range. There’s a few moves that still connect or push you back on block that don’t come close to connecting. But you’ll get fed ff,3 very often by Lee players. Kaz’s d,1+2 is broken! High crush, excellent range (it hits even if his arm doesn’t touch), +4 on hit, good speed and ch launches. It’s better than King’s ff,n,2 imo. As a Bryan main I’ve always envied that move since T7. Those two moves are so good. Kaz not only gets ch combo, but many follow-ups to include his full crouch throw, he can cancel into twin pistons or wr 2…it’s so good, too good.

@zyn833 Ай бұрын

surprised you didn’t add bryan’s qcb 1, that move is abused online cus its so dumb, bryan goes under the radar fs. also i really enjoyed this video bro 💙

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

I think Bryan needs qcb1 considering he has no good lows to pressure with that give them reason to duck vs Bryan. But I can see why people find that move frustrating to deal with.

@DarkLess89X Ай бұрын

it's very dangerous especially on the wall, if you try to duck you'll get a medium wallsplat easy 90dmg 😂 Bryan is so underrated that I can't believe it, even Lars and Steve are.

@SnowflakeSSQ Ай бұрын

Bryan is crazy. After a few characters get nerfed people will see his strengths.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

@@DarkLess89X I do agree that Bryan, Lars, and Steve are under rated. No doubt about it. They’re High tier, at least.

@President_Shin Ай бұрын

You’re doing Nina’s move in heat tho, there’s so many characters with bs in heat, you’re reaching. Also no kazuya is lol

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

@@President_Shin I did it not in heat, as well. My focus was specifically on her heat guns. It’s too much in contrast to everything else the character has.

@Ken-ic8tu Ай бұрын

Any launching low should be at least -15. It has to be launch punishable for all characters.

@moni2455 Ай бұрын

Hey Buff guy for Laws slide attack is WS1+2 a viable move to punish and combo with? I remember labbing it once and it worked but im not sure if it still works haha great vid btw 🔥

@Lobothemainman23 Ай бұрын

One thing about Jin's heat smash I didn't hear mentioned is its +17 on block against the wall. Thats the most broken thing about it for sure. The number one thing I hate is that when a character is in heat, I have to completely freeze because the heat smashes still track. Its not fun sitting there like an idiot when Drag is in heat because if i press any direction I eat the heat smash. Zero tracking on all of them, and if the first hit whiffs the attack ends.

@101Tassadar Ай бұрын

Interesting Video, Do you have any thoughts on characters like Kazuya and Zafina, specifically characters that you didn't mention, as Jin main I agree his Heat Smash is overpowered but he doesn't have any Heat buffs besides Heat Smash so nerf that and there are no reason for Jin to be in heat

@Others-c4p Ай бұрын

great content man! hope you can make a vid "best heat enggagers in the game".

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Great idea!

@polarmusic9059 Ай бұрын

Hey Buffguy! Love you're tekken videos. I have always wondered what your bench was if you don't mind me asking. I'm currently training for a powerlifter meet. Any tips?

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

My max bench was 455 pounds (4 plates each side plus a 25 pounder on each side). But I’m sitting around 4 plates max these days. Tips? If you’re a power lifter, around 5’8-6’2 in height, I’d say try to maintain a 210+ pound body weight average by eating 3300+ calories a day. Tons of protein, that’s the main thing. A a fuck ton of water. Supplements, I can take it or leave it. Never been into juicing or supplements, myself. Best of luck!

@polarmusic9059 Ай бұрын

@The_Buff_Guy That's crazy man. My best bench was 315 x 5 at 170. I can't imagine pushing over 400 lbs. god damn. Thanks for the tips, brother.

@BustaNAugusta Ай бұрын

@@polarmusic9059Squats helped everything I do go up. I kno you asked Buff Guy specifically, but using the 2.5lb weights are MONEY! I focused more so on 2x max as opposed to one rep.

@polarmusic9059 Ай бұрын

@BustaNAugusta all advice is welcome brotha. Yeah, that's a good idea. I typically try to jump up by 10 lbs each PR, and I think I'm getting to a point where I can't do that anymore. But going up by 5lbs might be the play. I've been looking at new plates anyway.

@TheGreatAustino Ай бұрын

@polarmusic9059 the diminishing returns with weightlifting are real lol. The 5lb and 2.5lb plates help a ton when you reach the point you're at. It's a slow paced marathon.

@Howfoolish. Ай бұрын

Great video bro, although I think the Victor segment is kinda harsh towards the old man, if you apply all the stuff you said, the character would be useless imho 😆 Would be nice to have some counter buffs for the nerfs you told Now is time for 25 buffs for the struggling characters!

@Acrophyllia Ай бұрын

damn. The only guy that's unbiased in tekken 8 community at the moment. Respect. Agree with everything said here. "Flash is not broken, it has been in tekken long ago". Yeh, Yoshi was like a 3 year-old with nun-chucks against pro MMA fighters, now he's a pro MMA fighter with nun-chucks. Another annoying "move" is Zafina's tarantula/low stance. That shit crushes mids, not launchable, safe mid, low mix-up, etc.

@cliffordsmustache Ай бұрын

Solid material, agree even on my main Yoshi. Loosing launching flash would be too painful, so dmg nerf is what he needs 😛

@beigemaster Ай бұрын

When you realise that Buff Guy went on such a rant about Drag’s QCF4 he forgot to mention it also wall splats! 🤣

@DarkLess89X Ай бұрын

I use yoshimitsu, Lee and Raven. Raven and Lee have very good strengths, some moves are totally broken and taken individually they could even make you think they should receive nerfs but in the general kit by removing those they would have nothing left to do 😅. Yoshimitsu on the other hand has always had the flash and even in T7 he lounch but didn't do so much damage but it's also true that all the characters on T8 do a lot of damage, I would leave the starter characteristic but only with a little less damage and I would also fix the guard break kin2,1+2 but they must be very careful with Yoshi, in my opinion he is much easier to counter than you think, being drastically vulnerable to the sidestep to the right his attacks in poking don't track almost anything and his basic backdash and sidestep movements are among the worst in the game, if he were nerfed incorrectly he would fall like a house of cards. PLS buff Raven omg

@nostalgk Ай бұрын

Feel like you even went light on yoshi this time 😆 definitely agree that his damage should be nerfed across the board, and I could live with them maybe taking away sword stance's flash launch in heat. But I absolutely love the neutral game as yoshi in no sword stance, so I hope it would still launch in that; I feel like it's an easy enough knowledge check to see that when yoshi puts the sword away, they're fishing for a flash. I love how good yoshi is right now, but I also want to see it take more interactions to actually win as him. Yoshi is most fun that way. I remember in Tekken 7 getting excited about Infinite Azure because it meant I could pull off more funny neutral shit, but now it's a race to the wall for a quick close.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

I think yoshi’s only real problem now is his absurd damage. Flash is fine. Just not with the damage he currently deals every combo.

@TheGreatAustino Ай бұрын

Imagine him being toned down to 7 Yoshi in this game, he'd disappear into the bottom 3 pick and win rate lol

@IXIKAYAKOxSAEKIIXI Ай бұрын

We xiaoyu players must strike back 😂

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

@@IXIKAYAKOxSAEKIIXI you already do by your character existing as she is lol

@Dr.Happy11 Ай бұрын

Something that is not talked about enough is the distinction between easily salvageable top tiers and not. Like, if Drag's Qcf4 was nerfed in a smart way (eg become as linear as a jab, with significant whiff recovery), he'd still be S tier, but not a balancing embarrassment. If Nina's D2, 2 was nerfed in a noticeable way (eg. second hit becomes -23 OB, or a high, or retained its punishability and mid property but doesn't CH launch) she'd still be a monster, just not a ridiculous one. In every game, there's always gonna be a best character, but they should not be miles ahead of the rest. (like the joke T7 akuma was) And here lies the main issue; You could nerf 10 of Jin's moves, and he'd still be a top5 character, if not the best. Alisa is more similar to him as well. Those characters received so many quality tools over the years, that became oversaturated with plentiful strengths that are more complete than other chars' core identities, and thus, became impossible to bring back to reality unless nuked. Furthermore, the lack of shortcomings clearly separates the top tiers, from the untouchable top tiers. With the right nerfs, Uber chars with obvious weaknesses can go back to getting exploited for those, like the normal chars (Drag's standing punishment and hitbox issues, Yoshi's general punishment and commital tools, etc.) or even go back to doodoo territory, but a perfect top tier, the kind that even the devs clearly don't know what to do with? It's a sorryaςς mess.

@amitypredator9385 Ай бұрын

Knew when I saw Him on the list Down 2 was going to be the problem move and you're absolutely right. Most Jim players I go against can't do !such to me (Bryan) unless they're spamming that garbage. Kathy's too, tbh.

@ChrisM-wv4gs Ай бұрын

Speaking of moves that need to change raven shouldn't be able to teleport out of mixups

@archibaldwilliamsworthiii5880 Ай бұрын

The nerf to safe high powercrush heat engagers and heat burst a while ago was one of the best changes they’ve made to Tekken 8 so far. I’d love to see nerfs to moves that are very overturned like these. (Except for Shaheen’s f4, that move is totally fine)

@tanju9018 Ай бұрын

the sidestepping on laws slide had me laughing my ass off. I relate so hard to the sidestepping issue.

@jimmyrigdon1253 Ай бұрын

Amazing analysis

@auruka Ай бұрын

As a Lars main, i agree that Den 3 is annoying to deal with, in fact i would be happy to have it zero on block it not in negative, as long as I can stop switching to SE I don’t remember if i can stop the stance switch, i will look into it Edit: Yes you can't stop the stance switch

@zachbergeron2238 Ай бұрын

God damn this might be the most cathartic video I've watched in a long time lmao

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoy 🤘🖤

@thcdivine Ай бұрын

Tbf, idk why people complain about the tracking on Jin’s d2, I don’t see the value in trying to step a low, hop kicks and ducking make Jin’s scared to throw it out

@thcdivine Ай бұрын

It’s a slightly worse snake edge imo

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

It’s just another thing that move that it shouldn’t, is all. What if I read a linear low or a mid and read correctly? Should d2 track in that scenario? I already called it, why the fuck am I taking damage? The move does way too much.

@thcdivine Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy That’s fair and understandable. In my personal experience as a Jin main, fighting Raijin ranks and above make me forget about d2, it gets hopkicked down jab interrupted or just back dashed, I use it maybe once or twice a set and it usually gets blocked and punished, it should be -15 tho

@Shazasterforever1 Ай бұрын

@@thcdivine I agree with you. While D2 is great, it's also a weakness for you as a Jin main. Since it does a lot, it can make you forget your other low tools. However, with the match-up knowledge people have now. Since Jin is the most used character online. The higher you go the harder it is to make it effective.

@ashish322 Ай бұрын

Ahh Another kazuya downplayer with gaslight video nice

@Kingkaindal Ай бұрын

that's literally what I said. kazuya players when they can't abuse their 50-50 on higher ranks and it gets harder online. OhhNooo all these other characters are BS gotta get them nerfed now

@karolyzenkovics5114 Ай бұрын

Agreed,my friend a Kazuya main and i a Lars main we allways arguing that he hate Lars dynamic entry stances but i allways say if this stance got nerfing more then at this point just delete the character his move set 80% are straight blockable 90% of his move are punishable. Meanwhile i understand the frustration whit Lars stance but goooood daaaam if you fight against a Kazuya player and you on the ground or close to the wall or both you literally dead but thats okay....what a Joke. Oh and another thing....how many ranked Lars on tekken god? Cuz im saw a lot meanwhile the lobby's full of Kazuya,Reina,Jin, Yoshimitsu,Paul,Dragunov, somethimes Lili or Asuka that's all

@soapyninja2985 Ай бұрын

Great long form tekken content, love the passion, i subscribe

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Thanks a ton! Glad you like the content!

@aavavertu229 Ай бұрын

Dragunov has been dominating since the launch. Wonder what nerfs Devil Jin gets next patch.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

😂😂

@jordanacosta7730 Ай бұрын

i play only kazuya and u gotta admit shikue is pretty stupid lol

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Yeah it is, but it’s only a max 3 uses per round. Not very spammable. Pretty bullshit move, though.

@McJorneil Ай бұрын

I had one of the most satisfying moments ever against a Jin player last night who kept spamming d2 on me. When I finally got the guy on the ground, I proceeded to spam Reina's db2 since it's visually the closest thing she has similar to that move and sure enough, the dude never managed to get back up. Revenge is sweet. lol

@Ti_Fire Ай бұрын

I love that move. One of her only good lows

@JaykobDBD Ай бұрын

Jin so op that no pro player can win a tournament with this character 😂😂

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Yeah because dragunov and Nina exist. He consistently makes top 8 in events, though. He’s the 3rd best character in the game. That’s not even a debate.

@JaykobDBD Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy I can name at least 10 characters that are stronger than jin youre caping

@JaykobDBD Ай бұрын

Dragunov, Alisa, Nina, Feng, Yoshimitsu, Law, Hwoarang, Reina, King, Xiaoyu

@juiceer3320 Ай бұрын

@@JaykobDBD bro is cooked , a jin main named novaseiken already debated his ass and utterly exposed his weird one sided takes against jin , just like mainmanswe the true scrub

@juiceer3320 Ай бұрын

@@JaykobDBD add claudio , and kazuya i don't believe jin is superior to kazuya keisuke proved it , especially after the buffs he got , and lowhigh almost prove that steve has the upper hand over jin vs raef , these youtubers lose a match online and instead of learning how to counter and learning the matchup they resort to moaning and whining

@No__feelings Ай бұрын

Dope videos bro. I know you’re boutta slaughter king but I’m here for it😂

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

I think you’ll be surprised once you get to King’s section lol.

@No__feelings Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy fuck bro I’m a tekken king king player if >>*2 was launch punishable I would be fujin 😂😂😂

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Hence why it should be toned down lol.

@jumpfold Ай бұрын

I like your videos man good job

@daysyn4573 Ай бұрын

Is dragunov b3,4 not considered a broken move? Heat dash gives full combo on hit, heat engager, wall splat, tracks left and right, can be cancelled (b3,b3,b3,4), and a mixup of b3,2,1/1+2.

@kato093 Ай бұрын

B3 is a single high homing kick. B4,3 is a mid high. B4,3,2 is a mid, mid, high, similar to kazuya's B2,2,1+2, where you just give up your turn on the 2nd hit but can challenge with the final high.. No idea what you mean with the cancel (B3,B3 blablabla no idea what that is). It's not broken because you can just block high and dragunov gives up his turn either way. You can just gamble and try to launch B4,3 or eat a pathetic 8 damage or something with the 2nd hit of B4,2. Ooh and B4 doesn't track at all. Dragunov has by far the worst tracking in the game, with d2 being used as his main homing move and qcf4 being used somewhat as a homing move, but it's linear as well. But almost everything tracks somewhat in this game. If qcf4 gets nerfed, I wanna see Jon's d2 get it's tracking nerfed, same for kazuya's ff2 (electrics track too much as well honestly) and a whole other list of moves and strings that just track for no reason. Even kazuya's wave dash 1+2. I hope they don't nerf only dragunov and make him unusable trash like in Tekken 7. I want a big patch that nerfs everyone's tracking like the patch that nerfed throws and heat stuff.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Dragunov needs to be nerfed into the ground. We just had ANOTHER grand finals with TWO dragunov’s today. It’s out of hand at this point. Kazuya needs ZERO nerfs. Jin needs several big ones. Dragunov needs to be outright butchered for a long time. This past 9 months with him has been insanity.

@kato093 Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy no. Hope devs don't listen to people like you, emotional crybabies. Less steroids would have you more balanced, mentally. This is not a Leroy situation.

@belowaveragegamer8612 Ай бұрын

Agree with your logic. Unfortunately it is obvious why the new characters are overturned and will remain that way... until newer characters come out. A few frames is the difference between super and ordinary. Adding tracking, evasion, pushback and damage shows Namco didn't do it by accident. Who they bless, they bless. It seems Paul, Nina, Feng, Steve and the Mishimas are forever blessed.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

I wouldn’t say Devil jin is currently “blessed”, nor would I really say kazuya is (although he’s very strong right now, way stronger than devil jin). Jin is absurdly over powered, and Reina is still top tier herself, yes. And I’m betting heihachi will be top tier, as well. But half the Mishimas being average/below average can’t really be considered “blessed”. Honestly, Paul and Steve aren’t necessarily that strong either. Not compared to feng and Nina, like you mentioned. Those 2 are beyond ridiculous.

@mahmoudtarek6859 Ай бұрын

Great video ❤

@JoshuaEnerum-yt2il Ай бұрын

Yoo your commentary is hilarious agree with everything you said expect my main lars lol den3 is really the only thing he has going for him

@CD44F Ай бұрын

Re: King’s heat smash - why does it hit completely grounded opponents? And why does it do like 2/3rds of its normal damage on the grounded opponent? Makes King’s oki/ground game EVEN MORE oppressive than it already is lol

@Helynox Ай бұрын

Feel like Yoshi flash could stay this way, but if the use of flash could use some of his hp like spin it would be better

@SWORDU Ай бұрын

Lars only has that 1 interaction where you have to guess on block. It’s not that bad other characters have more ridiculous moves. Also you can jab him out of den 3 if you’re sharp. Kazuya is a walking 50/50 you have to guess in every interaction with kazuya. Nerf kazuya 13 frame launcher. It’s broken.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

You don’t have to guess with kazuya. He has a solid option select if you sidewalk left into block. It defeats all of his primary options from wave dash, including hell sweep, ff2, and ff3. You have to iws2 just to ensure you catch them sidewalking, but then you risk dying to being launched if they block it due to it being -18. There’s risk reward involved. With Lars, there’s no risk. If you use DEN+3 as an Oki Tool, as It’s supposed to be used for, then you force your opponent into a guessing game with no risk to Lars whatsoever. Your opponent HAS to guess. Even fuzzy guarding won’t work because the Lars can change up their timing after DEN+3 is blocked. So while I agree that Lars only has the 1 interaction where you have to guess on block, that’s already 1 more interaction than the vast majority of the cast has. I don’t think we should act like Lars is a broken character. Or that he’s even a contender for S tier. He’s not. But let’s not pretend that DEN+3 isn’t a crazy move that allows for the next exchange to be almost entirely in Lars’ favour.

@filmrecorder5717 Ай бұрын

My friend is learning Kazuya, he told me that you don’t even need to do the down input for electrics on Reina and Kazuya… like wtf is that. I immediately loaded up a practice and was able to get out a 16 frame electric within 15 minutes of messing with it. Why do just Reina and Kazuya not have to input the down?

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

It’s due to their mist step. Tapping forward once with them with enter this “stance”. From there, you can access all their crouch dash moves with df, instead of d,df. This eliminates a frame off of the input, making it a potential 13f electric, but it’s extremely difficult to implement in a match unless you’ve practiced this for years. I’ve been doing electrics for 17 years and still can’t access the fastest electric consistently.

@filmrecorder5717 Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy yeah I figured the consistently part, is where the execution puts a damper on the move. I didn’t hit a single 16 frame electric after that one, could get 17’s a fair amount but consistently got 18 I think. Almost made me want to play a Mishima, I’ll have to see what’s up with Heihachi

@SGHNTZ Ай бұрын

The problem with forced 50/50 is not that it exists, it always existed technically, but it was mostly built in strings, the problem is with the frames and damage, for example Ling's Heat smash shouldn't deal this much of a damage if it's forces a 50/50 into you, and her options shouldn't be this good, the low should be launch punishable(tho you can low parry it for some danage), and the mid should be easily steppable.

@TheGreatAustino Ай бұрын

I agree with most of this. Tekken 8 is great already but it's just not the Tekken I remember. Fighting games tend to follow popular trends within the genre but I'm not exactly enjoying the over simplification resulting in seeing people getting to high ranks by abusing power armor and plus frames all day. I've played so many Bushins and Tekken Kings that only got there following flow charts relying on grabs, frametraps and armor. Don't get me started on side stepping moves that still hit when the animation clearly showed the move whiff, there's way too many moves with ghost boxes and it looks comical when it happens so often.

@縣 Ай бұрын

Shaheen's F4 is not a problem. It has really good stats and is a good move, but other characters have similar moves with similar follow ups (homing high with follow ups on normal hit) and its good really poor range. You'll barely see Shaheen players use it.

@bitterman213 Ай бұрын

I’m having war flashbacks to T7 claudio

@legendofsonic3979 Ай бұрын

Personally I gotta disagree with Victor 1+2 just because safe launching DF2s like Laws and Shaheens exist, I think those can be used in a very similar way and in other cases too. though I do agree that the pushback is a needless addition to it.

@gillylambino1746 Ай бұрын

Brother your voice is so buttery smooth

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

@@gillylambino1746 thank you 🤘🖤 currently in voice acting school!

@gillylambino1746 Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy that's explains a lot, decent recording set up and everything! 👏🏻

@jkdman2007 Ай бұрын

You can easily do about 50% damage wall carry combo + wall mixups when you block a slide from law. If they nerf law like you said, this character is dead.

@RichiePajooh-r8i Ай бұрын

i feel that your heat smash should scale depending on how much bar you have left. I also find it ridiculous that people can go into rage due to chip damage, regain well over 50 percent and still be in rage. I’m a shaheen main and he’s strong broken I don’t feel he is I think he’s tuned okay. His best combo routes are insanely hard ws3 loops are quite possibly the hardest combo in the game. Without those loops your looking at 65 to 71 damage bnb without heat or wall at most. I would like more moves for him but he’s solid.

@RichiePajooh-r8i Ай бұрын

and honestly his f4 i don’t really use that much ironically lol. i’ll take that nerf all day

@kptecx-xs2dw Ай бұрын

This let’s me know I work hard with Leroy as my main 😂

@mgs_geo Ай бұрын

How negotiable are these nerfs/boosts really? Who is "they"? Are the devs watching this or other videos that wish for change? And how many times can a games mechanics be changed after its out? Just wondering

@Kibzdabibz Ай бұрын

I love when he started ranting on Lars' Zen 3 🤣 he hates that move with a passion.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

It should be +3, dammit! Lol

@johndolo853 Ай бұрын

I dont agree with a lot of stuff you say but youre entertaining as hell lmfaoo i like watching your vids anyway

@tonisnooker Ай бұрын

29:43 Then make DF3 have Knockdown instead of Wall-Crush/Stun because Jun & Leo have still have their DF3 being KNDs. F4 is a bit lackluster on range and is like a Negan's Hook Kick

@5T0N3R420 Ай бұрын

Flash is a crutch most times, the best times to use it are when the opponent forgets about it (aka saving it for final round) or to force your opponent to respect you if they refuse to stop pressing buttons. I could see heat flash working fine as a CH launcher. If Yoshis in NSS they want you to press in for the flash launch, (samurai cutter launch trades for NSS flash to launch; both very launch punishable) all you have to do it bait the flash and take the free damage. I do agree his combo damage is unnecessarily high but mostly because of the delayed 1+2 from 3,2,1+2 as a combo ender to avoid scaling.

@tristanherb49 Ай бұрын

yoshimitsu basicall has a rageart at anytime and the opponent has to basically play with a rageart in mind also some chars can't launch punish him for example steve so it ain't even risky for him to use it.

@5T0N3R420 Ай бұрын

@tristanherb49 A lot of the anecdotal evidence against flash is derived from the opponent never knowing when it fails as a panic button mid string at i6 or i8 in NSS (though I suppose this is a different debate). It is not quite as free as some would have you believe but I do think it's still quite good considering it is a very old legacy move. Delayed timings, hellsweeps, and slower moves after a predictable setup tend to punish it very effectively. Demonstrating you know how to play around flash against a yoshi removes a significant tool from their kit. As a Yoshi main, my greatest weakness is when my opponent forces me to think

@Acrophyllia Ай бұрын

Yoshi on the offense, doing mixup, the opponent guesses correctly, now they're +, trying to take their turn with a jab. *Flash*. Opponent thinks the Yoshi is gonna flash, but he didn't, he continued the mixups from scratch.... Yoshi players are guaranteed a follow-up mix-up from a mix-up not even while they're in heat/rage, just like how @tristanherb49 said. On defense, Yoshi while being forced to a true 50/50 -> *flash*. F*ck guessing, who cares. Opponent doesn't press since they think Yoshi gonna flash, doesn't matter since you stand too close to Yoshi -> *flash* Why the hell does flash launch on normal hit, and with insane combo damage too? And a late launch punish means you'll get punish too. It's much harder to punish in comparison to a RA or a grab. As the buff guy said, his flash alone doesn't make that move impossible to counter. It's that Yoshi is now a legit character, with strong moves, but he still has his old gimmicks. Yoshi forces their opponent to play tekken 7 while he plays tekken 8. Kinda like how Akuma broke the rules in tekken 7. Was Akuma impossbile to beat? No. Was he broken? Yes. "As a Yoshi main, my greatest weakness is when my opponent forces me to think" - This statement just solidifies how broken Yoshi is if you think about it.

@SnakeInTheRain Ай бұрын

@@tristanherb49Flash is in no way comparable to a rage art for a few reasons. In 1SS it doesn't launch, it doesn't have armor, and it's active frames are far lower than a rageart, powercrush or jun/Alisa reversal. So once you press it and you whiff, you can get punished regarless, the range is incomparable too since you have to be so close to him

@SnakeInTheRain Ай бұрын

@@Acrophylliathe mixup isn't guaranteed though by the simple fact that you have options to power through or avoid flash Delay your offense and when they press flash you punish it (be reactive and defense instead of offensive all the time), throws beat flash, and powercrushes beat flash as well and if you have a homing power crush it can beat the sidestep flash. Yoshi himself doesn't really have many forced 50/50 options outside of a heat engage scenario and you almost never have a reason to duck him. Flash also only launches in NSS and in heat, in t7 it launched in both 1ss and nss. And when you punish flash you don't always have to go for a launch, any punish should be enough don't get greedy

@jazzoj5 Ай бұрын

Jin's dive kick also needs to be unsafe on block, just like Devil Jin's. The only logic I can see from the dev's perspective on why they made it safe is that unlike Devil Jin's, it doesn't have backsway and isn't a heat engager, but due to it being safe and dealing a ton of pushback it's highly spammable, esp. near corners where you can't step it.

@JaylanSales-wi8yy Ай бұрын

Even though it’s plus you can get around it lol, stop the cope

@burntpotato7116 Ай бұрын

No it dosent,its way slower and not nearly as evasive they are polar opposite moves ones a get off me panic tool and ones a oki/pressure tool they are completely different

@jazzoj5 Ай бұрын

@@JaylanSales-wi8yy I mentioned that in the last sentence

@jazzoj5 Ай бұрын

@burntpotato7116 dvj's dive kick is not a get off me panic move, the animation is slower than Jin's dive kick, and due to it being punishable you actually have to think before you throw it out. A true get off me panic move is Jin's down 2, which is one of the best panic moves in the game.

@Kibzdabibz Ай бұрын

As a Law main with Shaheen as a secondary, i completely agree dude lol. Those moves are very abusable. 💀

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Nice to see genuinely reasonable people in the community now and again 🤘🖤

@rufusgriffin5596 17 күн бұрын

If you know alisas moves, you win her easier than every other character ( especially easier than Lars and Xiaoyu) I’m tgs with D-Jin and Tekken king with Alisa.

@marshinz5696 Ай бұрын

Shaheen is perfectly fine. Its like if he isn't at the bottom of the tier People wanna hate. Having one Move that he can make you guess on is not Broken. Everyone else obviously needs nerfs though..

@as_thebests1359 Ай бұрын

Law slide are not supposed to be side steped, is supossed to be blocked and punish it, you can get a full combo now, its easier to pick him up from the floor

@AzarathX. Ай бұрын

it should be launch punishable without having to do a specific combo, like -16 or something

@petergoodspieces130 Ай бұрын

Imo the wall splatting heat smashes are not that bad Its good that each characters heat is different And although Jins heat smash is broken His heat is garbage apart from that So it might be a design decision. Now someone with amazing heat like Paul, it makes sense why they didnt give him a wall splatting heat smash, bcs his heat is already really good

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Jin is ridiculous without heat. Him having that heat smash is too much. If he wasn’t so over powered as he is, sure. Keep the wall splat heat smash. But not in the shape he’s in currently. He’s WAY too strong.

@petergoodspieces130 Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy I agree that he’s incredibly strong outside of heat and that you’re right that Jin specifically doesn’t need the wallsplatting HS Im just saying as a general opinion that wall splatting heat smashes can be given to characters who “need” them And Jin would be one of them IF he wasn’t so broken outside of heat

@TheReayning Ай бұрын

I love my Nina mama - She ain't no ordinary mama.

@MilosJsWizard Ай бұрын

To be fair Lars needed something, tracking is abysmal on this character, every stance is easy beatable, he had 0 op moves before this one. Every move he has, there is couple of other characters that have same move but better. Case in point: Db3 you can launch it while Jin D2 you can't. Same move. But you are correct back to +3, give him homing move and better tracking and every Lars player would be okey with it.

@henry_a_c_l4816 Ай бұрын

Yoo as someone who's main did not have any moves who made the list i am dying laughing listening to yalls cope and downplay yalls mains keep it coming lmao

@pigva9157 Ай бұрын

19:36 Many character can option select lars 50/50 after silent entry 3 . Like for example paul can just using f1+4 and win 99% situation form that stance . Only homing win agaisnt this option

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Homing attack makes it so it’s not an option select, and therefore it’s still ultimately a guess.

@iiiid3443 Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy I agree sen3 is pure cancer but I think he's right on the option select part (the definition of it, not how sen3 can be option selected). It's a bit like Kazuya's 50/50. If you SSL, you know got rid of the main options, hence you just "selected your options" by putting yourself in a position where fewer options, in that case ws3, could hit you (ws2 if they're ballsy and cocky)

@jinexodus8879 Ай бұрын

Wait? You're complaining about down 2 with Jin? Reactable. Hwoarangs mid heat engager? You can jab him and beat him always. You'll trade if he jabs, there is nothing that plus one move covers. Unless he high crush you because you did a high jab, try mid.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Hwoarang can immediately power crush after it’s blocked. Or he can sidestep. Or he can dick Jab and beat anything you can do. Or he can throw if you attempt to power crush. You can list counter play options all day long and we can go back and forth, but the facts are the facts. Hwoarang has never had a safe way to get in on the opponent. Now he does. And the move they gave him for that does a little too much besides closing the gap. Especially since In heat, it’s +5, and launches. Don’t even argue Jin d2. We all know it’s a broken move, reactable or not. It’s gonna get nerfed, it’s just a matter of when.

@jinexodus8879 Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy Okay Power crush; you can bait that with a jab and not worry about being hit. Backlash, etc. Dick jab? Usually a problem when you have no health, but rarely have I ever seen them do that, can whiff most of the time. I know this because I fight Hwoarang daily, train against him daily. D2. His only counter hit low? Every other character has it. Some have high crushing ones that are even faster than his. I don’t really see much of an issue. Now if they choose to nerf it then DB, 4 will need more frames on hit, or more damage. Make zero sense that Jin’s D4 does little damage compared to everyone else essential lows. I main Jin since Tekken 3 and losing D3,3, lost damage to D4, and reducing damage to DB4 all just to compensate the shitty move D2. Granted I don’t care about D2 but really people are blowing things out of proportion when really there are other high crushing lows that are faster.

@jinexodus8879 Ай бұрын

@@The_Buff_Guy One more thing I forgot to add, bro. Nothing Hwoarang does out of that mid, homing heat engager will beat you. It’s plus one of block. The only thing he can beat you with is Jab. Anything that isn’t a high crush will lose to you. Check all of his options out in training mode, I can guarantee you that a jab would stop every high and mid option he has, only high crushing is going to beat you. I have videos too of me doing this to Hwoarang. Unless you hesitate during the match then that’s a different story. Remember frames play a lot in Tekken. You know this.

@Shazasterforever1 Ай бұрын

@@jinexodus8879 Well said dude!

@juiceer3320 Ай бұрын

@@jinexodus8879 you a true alpha i subbed to u

@camilomarchesi1793 Ай бұрын

Can we talkmore about jin uf2 great poking panic tool wall splat one of my fav moves of all the characters

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Amazing move. Another reason jin is far too over powered and needs serious nerfs. Uf2 is something he should not have access to. It’s like his 5th panic tool 🤦‍♂️

@nail_HK Ай бұрын

you got a discord server bro? i got to fujin btw!! finally 😭😭 i demoted to flame ruler and thought i was completely washed, then realized my 2 button was activating around 2.5-3 frames slower thab every other button, so i couldn't electric!! since then i got a new controller but i needed to get used to it, AND switching to P2 so i could play in offline events more comfortably.

@The_Buff_Guy Ай бұрын

Discord link is in description, bro! And congrats on fujin!

@sleepenjoyer-on2dr Ай бұрын

I agree Yoshi's damage needs to be nerfed (along with heat and some moves) but the dmg in flash launch is already scaled, he can't get the type of dmg that he can get with a normal launch. I don't think I've ever seen 100+ dmg from flash, it can't even crack 60dmg unless there's a wall or you activate heat after NSS. I'm surprised you didn't mention hopknee or 1,1 in heat bc I feel that these moves are more problematic than flash.

@ihbupontyne Ай бұрын

I will say about hwoarang rff df3 is still too strong but it's also got another weakness other than jabbing. If your opponent heat bursts during that move they will get a full combo. But yeah idk why it is such an ace of spades move.