Return of the Flakpanzer (And Other Stuff Too)

[@Justin_Taylor]

Ask the retroactive questions you would have asked me before the video here 👇

[@erasmus_locke]

Why no mention of the T259¿ It's like the A-10 big land based brother

[@moldysteak508]

How good is the Flakpanzer's radar? I know it's kinda old

[@th3_0rc83]

what about EMPs? might that be an option?

[@TheArklyte]

Since I have no idea if YT even allows me to comment or if my comments vanish forever, I'll just repost this here as an "answer": C-RAM(aka land version of CIWS) surprisingly fits onto the same platfrom as MLRS, that uses slightly elongated Bradley chassis as base. I would have suggested also replacing the autocannon with Rolling Airframe Missile launcher to maximise cool factor as it uses the same mount as CIWS/C-RAM. Linebacker doesn't have to return. Arm Bradley with ADATS in place of TOW-2 and ever Bradley becomes Linebacker. Or, considering that army tried to replace TOW-2 with Hellfire 2 and at the same time develop SAM based on Hellfire 2, roll them into new smaller Hellfire 2 based ADATS 2. And then strap it to Bradley. To deal with FPV drones the only thing needed is to slave RWS to APS sensors. I'm yet to see a quadcopter that can keep flying after getting hit with .308 If we talk about bigger drones though, then ideal solution is somewhere between russian Pantsir-M, german AHEAD ammo and american CIWS/CRAM software. The issue is that for too long the close range air defense ignored munitions ie ATGMs, AGMs, guided bombs and many others. And instead focused only on their carriers. But stand off distances increased and munition costs decreased and now the truth is that you don't need to compare the price of ammo of your SPAA to enemy munitions carriers ie planes and helis, but the price of YOUR assets that you are afraid to lose. Now the job of close range SPAAG is to intercept ALL "fires", not just planes. ^wall of text brought to you by paranoia birthed out of YT shadowbanning and/or glitched to no end platform.

[@knight_lautrec_of_carim]

Why aren't shot-shells an option against drones? Wouldn't saturating the sky with buck or birdshot work better than firing huge projectiles that are way overkill for tiny drones?

[@kjhmnn09]

I deal with drones by angrily shaking my fist at the sky. Usually works.

[@randallrobertson7190]

You must also include the ancient incantation "get off my lawn!"

[@PissyKnish]

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[@PissyKnish]

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[@RextheDragon881]

I was reading this at beginning of video with the pulling down of the saddam statue, he had one hand in the air. I imagine a statue similar to that with motorized fist shaking and head spinning like radar satellite dish. Mounted on tank chassis,obviously. Should work flawlessly

[@christophermarkee5445]

​@@randallrobertson7190don't forget to add you darn kids for good measure.

[@B1gLupu]

"Why does the anti-drone laser have a bunch spinning laser tubes? "Boys at the R&D lost a bet with marketing and had to make it look like a gatling gun" "Looks wicked, ship it!"

[@AlexNV75]

Literally Fallout Logic 😂

[@hajotge12]

Yes, 😀 There is a weird awe towards the gatling gun in some countries (PFFRRRRRRRTTT). It solves a mechanical/physical problem that lasers of course have too 🙃

[@ianjardine7324]

Hey if it's stupid and it doesn't work it better at least look cool. Every defence contractor ever.

[@tatianatub]

if your weapon systems look lame nobody is gonna wanna crew it and that's gonna hurt recruitment

[@thatguy8012]

Preach🗣️🙌🏼

[@sixgunsymphony7408]

The recruiters just have to discuss GI Bill education benefits.

[@toast8256]

Don’t judge a book by its cover.

[@TheEaterOfEwoks]

The 6th unoffical principle of combat patrolling is looking cool, so tactically speaking it checks out.

[@evangraham]

I heard alot of dudes entered thinking stuff from various futuristic soldier program would be widely adopted around the corner, allowing them to play Ghost Recon irl, however they went through service with basically upgraded stuff of what their father carried

[@mattilindstrom]

The Gepard is a bit of a sleeper, not well known by the general public. The 30 mm caliber is in the compromise zone between the rate of fire and shrapnel effect, but the service record seems to vindicate the choice. Being a classic weapons system, it still is a beast in its niche.

[@d.o.g573]

35 mm - the Gepard has two 35 Oerlikon cannons

[@mattilindstrom]

@@d.o.g573 Thanks for setting the record straight. The 5 mm may seem on the surface inconsequential, but that's in linear approximation more than +50% in projectile weight.

[@Tobs02]

@@mattilindstrom I can tell you that the Effect those rounds have even against Tanks is in some sense kinda Insane... Like the rounds are able to Pen the Tops of tanks (from shooting at it from the front) and the rounds kinda digs into the Armor and then Explodes so its even a kinda good Cal. for shooting IFVs and such (even like smaller boats)

[@bocahdongo7769]

​@@mattilindstromGepard has smart air burst round that specifically designed for 35mm

[@deathkorpsofkriegguardsmen8488]

Ukrainian soldiers who operate it love it because it can destroy drones efficiently, Germany also cooked up a new system that’s currently ground based but I can see them mounting it.

[@Awsonaut]

You are one of very few youtubers who cover this kind of stuff that dosent seam like a complete psycho and i very much appreciate that.

[@parkerlong2658]

Haven't watched alot of this guys stuff but personally I get what you mean so many guys cover this shit with almost zero knowledge and than openly glorify deaths as if that helps anyone

[@halcyon63]

any other recommendations?

[@pekka405]

​@@halcyon63 probably perun

[@SP-cn5lq]

@@pekka405perun is the goat😊

[@fraskf6765]

history legens gives accurate and neutral news reports about the eastern front​@@halcyon63

[@Dr_le_Quack]

Hi Justin, just a correction to what you said at 4:26 about the Tunguska having an X-band whilst the Gepard having the S-band radar. Both the Tunguska and the Gepard have two separate radar systems, one for target acquisition and one for target tracking. With radar in general, the higher the frequency the radio wave, the better tracking you can get in terms of position and velocity and such. The problem is that signals attenuate more rapidly as they get higher in frequency whilst also interacting more with weather and other clutter. So to get around this, you can have two radar system, one to find the vague general area that operates at a lower frequency (the spinny one) and one that focuses all the radio energy to where the acquisition radar thinks the target is, at a higher frequency. For the Gepard, the acquisition radar operates in S-band as you mentioned (1.55 to 3.9 GHz) whilst the tracking radar is Ku band (10.9 to 20 GHz). The Tunguska on the other hand has its acquisition radar operate at E-band (2 to 3 GHz) and the tracking radar at J-band (10 to 20 GHz). (dont ask why the different band names overlap the same frequencies, NATO keeps changing its mind about things)a

[@wound957ruralapex]

The tunguska is outdated, this is why they moved to pantzir

[@parkerlong2658]

​@@wound957ruralapexthe Tunguska literally fulfills an entirely different role than the pantsir.

[@williamzk9083]

@@wound957ruralapex The Pantsir is also outdated and totally incapable of dealing with micro drones and even SCALP storm shadow but NATO nations spent zero money to replace their own SHORAD (Rapier, Roland, Crotal) so Russia has the 'better' but still effective weapon in the ridiculous Pantsir. The lack of SHORAD is why Ukrainian Leopards and Abrams were knocked of at long range by Russian attack helicopters with long range ATGM like Vikhr. Please note politicians in Europe and US who neglected this area are still around. -Pantisir by combining guns and missiles makes itself bulk and easy to detect, twin guns are less accurate than single. The lack of air burst makes the Pantsir guns extremely outmoded. Skyranger is the way to do it.

[@wound957ruralapex]

@williamzk9083 you are wrong pantzirs prooved on film that scalps, stormshadows, drones and any mlrs are perfectly interceptable. I do not understand why do you trash pantzirs so much, it has the capability to fire air burst, but they just do not have them, usually military tech is alright, because it was done by smart people, unless you just want to hate

[@wound957ruralapex]

@@parkerlong2658 not really, today there is no big moving formations that need to covered with them and tunguskas are very rare to see in Ukraine

[@RustyDust101]

What makes the Gepard so special is the incredible turret turning rate. At top speed it can rotate its entire turret in less than 3 seconds 360° including raising the guns to nearly vertical. That's also the reason for the two 'cozy' seats. They are aligned as close to the center point of the rotation axis of the turret to subject the two positions to the least amount of g-forces and disorientation due to spinning. If you can target-lock seagulls any drones capable of damaging vehicles are easy targets as they tend to be larger and less streamlined. The Skynex or the Skyranger are the immobile and mobile successors to the Gepard. With their AHEAD ammo they are able to take down multiple drones in close proximity with a single salvo. The AHEAD ammo explodes in a cloud of tungsten subpenetrators that destroys anything in the area of detonation. Each individual shot is programmed when leaving the barrel by electromagnetic induction to detonate shortly before intercepting the target(s). That makes the next generation of these SPAAGs perfect anti-drone area denial defense systems. Their C5 equipment allows them to link with radar systems real-time anywhere in the vicinity making them far less likely to be targeted by radar-seeking missiles. Their targeting systems are so good that they can target individual mortar shells mid flight.

[@brainforest88]

@RustyDust101 the turn rate is even more incredible when you know the turret weights 15t. When I was in the army I was in the maintenance team of the Gepard. At that time it had an analog computer. For 60s technology this tank was incredible. AFAIK it takes only 5-6 rounds on each of the canon to take a plane down. Pretty cheap and highly accurate. First 1-2 shots was to warm up the gun.

[@c6h5choh-cn82]

I need that Flakpanzer. Mosquitoes are as big as drones here 😁

[@marcusott2973]

Somebody makes a 22lr Gatling gun. There's videos on YT. I believe you'll find you need one.

[@ThePerfectRed]

Originally the Gepard was developed to counter attack helicopters, particularly when using so-called "pop up" attacks. The helicopter would loiter low and just rise above tree level briefly to fire its missles. It was determined that AA missles would be too slow to respond. It is complete irony that the Gepard never served in its intented role, and now excels in something completely new noboy imagined when it was developed.

[@Aqueox]

I always was intrigued as to why ZSU’s and Gepards were made and kept even in the latter years of the Cold War. That type of counter to helicopter tactics is actually sound logic. Guess my curiosity is answered.

[@UNYEILDING]

Zumwalt's ghost is haunting all the procurement officers whispering "you've neglected the low end of the mix. prepare for an unending sprint phase"

[@paxundpeace9970]

Poland is running a great option in the moment of 23mm ZSU-2 double barrel cannons (former trailer mount system now medium trucks) they added a double perun launcher and a optical system for engagement to it. Running new radars and 24 of those in brigade level anti-air Battalion.

[@MM22966]

@@paxundpeace9970 Double Perun launcher? Will more Australian Powerpoint briefings really be that effective against drones?

[@Hornet_Legion]

Zumwalt would have worked. The only reason the rounds got so expensive was because the US decided not to purchase the original number of rounds intended so the manufacturer raised the price. Like hypersonic missiles would be cheaper? no

[@MM22966]

@@Hornet_Legion But the fact that they made a 155mm gun system with no provision to use the 155mm NATO rounds that EVERYBODY uses was...a bit of a dropped ball. And by "they", I mean everybody involved with the ship.

[@tenhoandersson]

6:58 this clip has somewhat subpar censoring

[@foysalsiddik6897]

I was going to say the same thing, lol.

[@69quato]

That's because the pixelated person specifically asked for it , the other 2 didn't.

[@tenhoandersson]

​@@69quato the guy in the foreground isn't blurred for the first few frames, and the blurring jumps to the background guy later

[@hoilst265]

Australia's sending over the Slinger anti-drone system, which is basically a 30mm cannon with a radar you can slap on the back of a ute.

[@nchurmdazz]

We are deeply thankful for all the aid you are providing!

[@unionmoon]

European vet here. Back in the day i've seen many excercises with the Gepard, Cheeta"s we called them. Practicing targets looks almost identical to the Shaded drones. Gepards are a very, very underestimated weapon. They eat everything skyborn up to a helicopter for breakfast, lunch & diner. And then some. They need to be brought back into production.

[@kingfrett]

They wont come back, because Rheinmetall has already developed a modern successor, the Oerlikon Skyranger. Its basically a turret with a 30 or 35mm Oerlikon gun and all the necessary sensors and radars. It fits to Lynx, Boxxer, Leo1+2 and trucks. The stationary variant is called Mantis.

[@wfwfewfds]

Judging by Ukraine, the Geranium-2 drones turned out to be too tough for this predator.

[@MiniTitanic1]

@@kingfrett did u know the skyranger 35 is also married with a Leopard 1 hull. Kind of Gepard but the Question is where are the Radad part. maybe on a tripod ontop of a tank and can stand on position. or a radar trailer is attacht to him. also u can have some Stinger in a packed Manpad. so there are way. and watch out cockerill 3030 turret and 3105 as well.

[@kingfrett]

@@MiniTitanic1 The Skyranger turret has its own radar. There are versions for Leo1+2, Lynx, CV90 and piranha

[@MiniTitanic1]

@@kingfrett u can find this even in KZbin on FP Defense News 1 month old video. and it is in english. with this stockpile of leopard u can really cheap build air defense unit. to ramp up our anti air support in short term

[@nolanpeters5462]

Drones are cool, but you know whats cooler? You dad... I mean Justin

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

In civilian life I usually find wave at a drone while standing in the middle of the street with my pants down makes them go away quickly.

[@flitsertheo]

If those are female drone operators I would be worried.

[@Wafelmaenchen]

Wow i m impressed by your pronunciation of Flugabwehkanonenpanzer Gepard. 👍

[@hawlitakerful]

This comment is now Eigentum der Bundesrepublik?😅

[@MrWooaa]

Its been ages since I saw the CIV 4 tech tree. 1:13

[@shadowslayer205]

I love that the more advanced military technology gets, the more uses we find for older tech.

[@ordningsmannen]

Sweden has a really cool SPAAG version of CV90: Luftvärnskanonvagn 90

[@EchoObserver9]

You have my full support on the Gatling laser tank. I would also like to propose a tesla tank variant. It shoots a conductive wire that you dump a F ton of watts into in the hopes it arcs to a drone in the air and fry it. I have no idea if it physics or if it physicsn't... BUT BY GOD IT SHOULD!

[@dominiklehn2866]

So... You basically want to taser drones? Probably wouldn't really work since the drone isn't connected to any ground and would be extremely inefficient and ineffective even if it did.... But it is a really cool idea

[@jonny2954]

9:29 this cannon fires 1200 rounds per minute. The manufacturer also states it needs an average of _3 rounds_ to take down a drone thanks to AHEAD programmable timed fuzed airburst ammunition. That's a very short brrt.

[@givemeajackson]

i saw a video of a gepard taking out a shaheed (which is admittedly probably one of the easiest targets to hit) in a 5 round burst, so even the old gepard already seems really effective. 3 shots to take out a drone is awesome. it's really interesting how the rise of the drone has resurrected some older. ukranians were using watercooled maxim guns to take out drones. i wonder if a miniaturized version that you can throw on a normal pickup truck would be feasible.

[@raddirector99]

Never heard of the Duster?! *Sniff* commoner.

[@clydedopheide1033]

Always entertaining and informative. Well done again.

[@TodoRadegast]

Is the outlet velocity so unpredictable that it needs to be measured every shot?

[@AlexNV75]

1:44 M42 Duster disrespect will not be tolerated!

[@Kdottwatters]

😂😂 yes sir

[@silentjohn117]

That moment when your irrational love of the gepard and quad bofors starts to make sense.

[@jonesy279]

I love the dice roll of pronunciation that is the Oerlikon. I’m pretty sure it’s “early-con.” 🤓

[@KarlKarpfen]

Your pronunciation of the Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard was astoundingly accurate, especially for an American (who typically just don't care at all to get foreign words right).

[@Gillymonster18]

Hey, now…it’s not that we don’t care…we care. We just utterly SUCK at it.

[@KarlKarpfen]

@@Gillymonster18 Well, all other cultures in the world have much higher motivation to get pronunciation right. It's only Americans who often won't try hard, if at all and just invent something like a nickname or abbreviation to use instead. Therefore it can't be only that Americans just suck at pronunciation of foreign words, but that they feel perfectly comfortable with it and see little reason to put the effort in to suck less.

[@MedEwok]

As a native German, I found it terrible.

[@KarlKarpfen]

@@MedEwok As a native German, I didn't expect a native pronunciation, but it was far more understandable than most Americans trying to pronounce German words.

[@Piett_]

I just wouldn‘t say „Flugabwehkanonen“ although it‘s the right full name. „Flak“ is enough- that‘s what every german says.

[@3_character_minimum]

My neighbour cant hear out of one ear, and has shoulder issues from this machine.

[@DirkMoeller]

The Gepard has TWO radars. The large dish on the back is the search radar, which monitors larger airspace around it. Once a target has been identified, it'll be locked and the tracking radar at the front locks on to the target. That's the radar that's capable of following smaller to very small objects, but normally just by locking "visually", which means you don't lock via the search radar on a monitor using a joystick (like you do for normal planes and training targets), but by using the same joystick to lock the target by looking through the optics. And yes, that space inside is very cozy and you can perfectly sleep resting your head against optics mount :)

[@cameronmadden8723]

Boy do i love your content, i just found it and ive binged your channel, its great content!

[@safn1949]

I was sitting on the front slope of an M60A1 in Graf Germany, mid 70's. An M163 VAD opened up on and old bunch of buildings downrange,at night and we didn't know it was there. Holy Shit was the least of what we said as 20mm @50 rounds a second went downrange.

[@Tommieboy2009]

Don't forget that the projectiles also "explode" at a certain range to fill the sky with shrapnel.

[@ldcrallye]

One correction on the GEPARD system: firing: the first ring measures the exact speed of the projectile while the 2nd ring is programming the exact burst delay of the very same projectile. Reason: Bursting close to the target in air,

[@ogerpinata-nu2th]

The Gepard is an absolute beast, we got you👍🏼

[@JimLecka]

There is a whole line of development. WWII M45 quad .50 mount (towed). Thousands made. M16 gun motor carriage, said M45 mounted on a half-track. Somewhere less than 2000. Vietnam era M35. Actually, a .22 rimfire machine gun would do for most drones. That seems to be lacking in the fighter versions of small drones. Upgrade would be a 12 gauge auto firing buck shot ( or smaller pellets ). The drones at 1000 meters up need a heavier caliber- quad bofors 40 mm or mid 1950/s 75mm skysweep. The idea is close-in small, cheap systems, with longer range systems to disturb drones carefully lining up a shot or drop. The small systems also serve for defeating the kamikazi drones on their plunge. Using sintered iron bullets (aka shooting gallery aka CB aka BB) helps with the overspray problem: blue on blue bad.

[@TheOneG36]

HAHAHAH, subscribed ;) first i thought about it after, your said "clearly a missed ww3 opportunity to the gepard" but then the neil the gras voice in the saying well, planes are fast ;) you got me mate, not laughed so hard whole day ;)

[@jmsr77]

LOVE IT when people make a point of stumbling over ridiculous names so thanks for that! 🤣

[@gabeflame7803]

The Anvil Drone by Anduril seems to be pretty fleshed out. It's just big, heavy, and durable, so when it flies directly at an enemy drone, it knocks it out of the sky.

[@martinmatte1518]

Well, in fact the system was developing over the years. The Mantis system was used for marine purposes and still covers a part of the northern german coast. Furthermore, it lead to new modular systems like Skynex and Skyranger. The real progress with those is, the firing rate of at least 1200rpm and a linked command unit. It could use several canons, as they would be one and those canons can be used on several hulls like the Boxer or other existing ones, the old Leopard 1 ones, for example. Lately, it came down to simple trucks, which makes those units highly mobile. However, the trend is to equip armoured vehicles and tanks with a smaller, but also effective canon, named "Natter" - as planned for the KF-51 (Panther) from Rheinmetall.

[@mpondachongo1138]

M247 Sargent York: it's time to shine.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

No portajohn will be left unstruck.

[@MM22966]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD We have the spare parts. We have the technology! We can rebuild him stronger...faster...able to hit test-range targets without adding radar-reflectors to them this time!

[@robertsolomielke5134]

Flak panzer Gepard ; when skies are not friendly. TY- yes I also always luv Flak panzer's , and wish they would make flak panzer fuzzy slippers, flak panzer sheets/pillow cases, flak panzer smart phone case, flak panzer desk-top organizer , and something that says "flak panzer" every 25 mins. or so.

[@Astrofrank]

Lasers struggle with reflective surfaces, so covering a drone with simple aluminum foil would reduce the effectivity of a laser-based system.

[@iVETAnsolini]

I love retroactive questions

[@dominiklehn2866]

"These have yet to be placed on any platform that van actually move" Navy ships:

[@irongunner1221]

The Bradley Linebacker is a deep cut.

[@justanotherguy6345]

my mother wasn't even 10 years old in the 80s

[@kolinmartz]

Another reason to bring back the classic sod weapons that Gepards are a part of is in LSCO, even if it’s a hybrid threat, like it or not, those guns are really useful in MOUT. Historically those high angle and fast firing guns are the reason why BD6 wasn’t really fully developed until GWOT.

[@SingleMalt2]

I got the Civilization 4 research reference. Showing my age. Bravo.

[@bettsdn]

Emperor Protect, that’s a Imperial Guard Hydra!

[@sonosoloio]

I thank you because with this video you reminded me that I still have to build the kit of this vehicle, in 1/35 scale by Tamiya, bought I don't even remember how many years ago... I'm going to get it

[@calcustom5026]

I would argue that even a super fast Gatling laser could more than cut the energy needed in half because it wouldn't need a continuous stream.

[@zydhargaming1537]

you sir are a genius. we most definitefly want to see that gattling laser tank!

[@_Magnuss_]

Drones are the embodiment of the rush B strategy 😂

[@jhwheuer]

And when you need something to eat, you point the targeting laser at a pigeon

[@alphmar3778]

btw, there is also the skranger fail of shorad systems which plays a similar role to gepard but uses ahead ammo which makes them a lot cooler

[@br8745]

Really enjoy the style and quality of your videos! Keep up the great work 😊

[@dad_jokes_4ever226]

I had a real bad dose of "The VADS" once .... took 3 freakin weeks to get rid of it !

[@EnhancedNightmare]

I was saying this for years. I was shocked that armies didn't even explore this idea before Russian invasion.

[@stelleratorsuprise8185]

They didn't only lock on to seagulls, they also locked on pigeons that didn't know what happened until they fell down cooked by the radar.

[@webcrawler9782]

what makes the skynex platform so much more effective is the airburst ammunition. In my opinion the best thing we have against drones at this point.

[@Qigate]

I love your humor... I laugh, I learn !!!

[@catcatcatcatcatcatcatcatcatca]

Lasers are really cool, but require a lot of work to overcome blooming caused by the high energy breaking down air. On the other side it is relatively simple to add countermeasures that redistribute, reflect or simply tank more and more energy as direct energy weapons get better. As the technology necessarily gets more complex, the less and less appealing the promise of ”free and unlimited” ammunition gets. There other unique attributes of directed energy weapons need to really start mattering for this to make sense.

[@karlhoffman9817]

USSR had this 1K17 Szhatie laser tank in 90s. Fun fact of the day

[@heidemariabrandt2729]

Current development aims at integrating many different systems under one plattform. Gepard might be the last "Solo-Warrior" with future systems like Sky-Nex, Sky-Ranger, THAAD, Arrow-3, IRIS-T up to AWACS and satellites being networked (which someone at Rheinmetall jokingly called SkyNet)

[@BobAbc0815]

I guess a "Road Train" like Group of Vehicels, one or more of them dedicated to Generators, would solve the Lasers Power Problem.

[@nero756]

1:44 btw its called "Duster" bc in the vietnam war they did not use it as an SPAA but they figured "hey... we could just light up a tree line with it" and thats what happened to the guys in the tree line.... the more you know ^^

[@okaydookay8556]

Seems like the only sucker in this scenario is the sucker grunts who get a mortar grenade dropped on them before a weapon system can show up.

[@fugguhber4699]

New subscriber, cause your informative, and entertaining at the same time. ( From Bangkok via Seattle )

[@lildosiedos]

Here's some interesting things about the Gepards ammunition; although the Gepard does have the traditional 35x228mm HE/HEI available to it, as of the Gepard 1A2 the Bundeswehr actually prioritized FAPDS in AA usage. Frangible discarding sabot is a very interesting round that maintains APDS velocity whilst still effectively fragmentating upon impact. These rounds are what enables the Gepard to extend its range into what I can only surmise as long range drone sniping. The Ukrainians had to deal with the Swiss holdup of Gepard ammunition sales from Germany and Denmark leading to them receiving 50,000 rounds of HEI from Norwegian company Nammo back in 2022. Now that Rheinmetall built a sexy new factory and is actually supplying the Gepard ammunition, FAPDS is making its way into Ukraine to wonderful results. Side note, although kinetic rounds have proven to be the most cost effective against the cheap mass produced drones I wonder if we'll see more advanced munitions as drones advance. If the increase in drone tech means an increase in SPAAs needed, then it might be more cost effective to switch to AHEAD or proximity fuze rounds so the total number of SPAAs stays the same. Bear in mind that current Gepards are incapable of firing those types of ammunition, but seeing how the current war is going I think Rheinmetall has plenty of time to R&D that.

[@joeblough4605]

:55, he's looking for the term "its a Telefunken U47."

[@2You86]

I talked about the drone war with a friend of mine that is a soldier in the german military. He leads a small unit that installs field communication systems so he knows a lot about the drones, sinals and the range of drones. He said that the Gepard has no problem to detect the drones and shoot them down in large quantities. The only problem is to feed it with enough ammo and to produce these in large enough numbers in the factories at home.

[@randallbelstra7228]

Another reason these systems were dropped, to include the Sgt York, was that Air to ground missiles outranged the guns on the flak panzers. Which made them obsolete.

[@Chiller11]

That’s why I subbed to this channel. Yes the historians and sociologists tell you wars are fought for territory, wealth, political or ideological advantage or just vengeance. Justin understands the single reason that individual soldiers fight wars is to look cool. The pinnacle I suppose is the fighter pilot who rides around in a supersonic hot rod that the enemy can’t see (we hope) with all sorts of kick ass missiles and bombs etc. However , even the lowly 11 bravo sports body armour, a cool helmet with comms like Britney Spears and soon a new rifle with supernatural optics that can calculate the true size of your opponent’s manhood (or cup size). Just look at the Marine Corps’ dress blues. Not even Marines would be stupid enough to join the Marine Corps except damn those dress blues look cool. Yes indeed Justin, if you don’t look cool, why even fight.

[@MM22966]

I wish you were joking, but I also remember a book by Colonel Ralph Peters. He mentions Balkan & Caucasian militia gunmen he met, and the "Rambo Effect" in how they dressed...

[@LiiFTeDgamer]

The best anti drone device is a nesting magpie, feathered devil birb > spying drone boi

[@YeeSoest]

As a wee little kid who loved everything with tracks and guns on it, this was always going to be my favorite for having 2 and then I realized it was named after my favorite animal and makes a WONDERFUL sound😂

[@aterxter3437]

"15 klicks away" (ie 15 km away) 2min later "I live my life as if the metric system didn't exist" You killed me on that one

[@lapin46]

that front mounted thing on the barrels’ end also programs the shells to explode in the distance calculated from radar data. You don’t have to hit the target, only get close.

[@marcogerner132]

It would be nice if Gepard had programmable ammunition, but unfortunately it does not. The sensors at the ends of the barrels measure the muzzle velocity and thus correct the lead point. Rheinmetall's successor, the Skyranger, has programmable ammunition

[@lapin46]

@@marcogerner132 thx, got it mixed up with the self-destruct fuse the 35mm shells have.

[@marcogerner132]

@@lapin46 But what the Gepard could do back then and was ahead of its time was that instead of using its own search radar, it could be fed with external radar data via datalink. This meant it could remain hidden until it had switched on the target radar.

[@touge242]

We're officially on a Gundam story line.

[@scottsevers6194]

Australia has donated an anti drone platform that can be fitted to a Toyota Hilux or mount on the turret of most tracked or wheeled armour. Might be worth checking out. Thank you for your video

[@CoLdPlAyEr1694]

You could take a look at the "Mantis System" by Rheinmetall. It is essentially the "successor system" of the Gepard, already in use by the German Army.

[@joeblough4605]

Also, that tracked gun thingy would be very effective on Godzillas.

[@sweJEverywhere]

firing these things will still cost more than the drone itself.

[@ducembarr7057]

1 vote for more military grade verbal sound effects for flying and other objects

[@humanlifeisasimulation]

man I wish I had teachers like Junstin in my life

[@bagelmaster2498]

I’d recommend taking a look at the skyranger! It’s basically a reimagining of this idea for drones and other low flying aircraft

[@fellow9939]

unfortunately, the technique going forward for drone swarms appears to be point-defense lasers because they're even cheaper than bullets. sad, but at least we get laser lightshows out of it.

[@Grimshak81]

the two biggest issues with the Gepard and why its not feasible for Germany to restart production: - its based on the Leopard 1 chassis, which is mainly phased out by now. All new stuff is mostly Boxer or Leopard 2 platform. - Gepard needs intensive upgrades for network centric air defense, it cannot simply radio target data to other assets, whiich is imortant for... -...survivability. With its radar the Gepard would be dead meat in minutes. Modern air defense needs a network approach where other sensors, be it ground radar stations, airplanes or drones, send target data to the assets that has the cannons and they engage the target while not being spotted by enemy assets. Its simply cheaper to build a new system that is birthed in the digital age with a smaller logistical footprint... which is exactly what the Skyranger is. And that is why the Linebacker doesnt make sense for the US neither. Gepard is an absolute classic, but you dont keep Messerschmidt Bf109 in production for a reason.

[@ExodentalCADAcademyofNorth]

Gatling tank = Red Alert vibes

[@overworlder]

the slinger bolt-on turret is current close-in master mostly because of its software. it is going on m113s and local MRAPs in Ukraine. but i am curious about how software is protected in case it is captured . . .

[@overworlder]

edit: 'when it is captured'

[@neglectfulsausage7689]

3 years ago I said something to the effect of we could have dog fighting jets back again if we just chose to field 100,000s of cheap jets . If the enemy has 100,000 missiles you just need 100,001 planes. Now as grim as that sounds, that's how the infantry worked in omaha. Imagine sending 1000 spitfires from ww2 and the enemy line only has 500 AA missiles on jets and other tools nearby. Just give the spitfires chaff or some kind of airburst defense flak cannons that can fire in direction of oncoming missiles. Of course now drones are proving this was a sound strategy all along and it makes sense.

[@fiendishrabbit8259]

Newer flak guns don't need a fire rate that high, at least not to take out helicopters and drones. The reason is smart rounds (loaded with tungsten pellets and with multiple fuzing options that can be programmed a millisecond before the projectile is fired). They're able to rapidly saturate the target area with fragmentation, so instead of 1000 projectiles per second you're dealing with 50 000 tungsten pellets per second that's saturating the target area. While the 30x113mm smart rounds are slightly anemic (unlike germany's 35mm AHEAD or Bofors 40mm 3P they won't be shooting down any cruise missiles) it's good enough for drones while not being magnitudes more expensive. Although the US really likes the idea of the 30mm, combining the best features of the Mk19 automatic grenade launcher and the .50 cal and with the ability to fend off drones on top of that.

[@KarlKarpfen]

these "newer FlaK guns" are those from the 1960s (like the FlaKPz Gepard), which is the reason for the 2-ring muzzle device: It's not only a velocity sensor, but a few cm later two coils to program the "smart rounds", which are actually called air-burst munitions, again, 1960s state of the art.

[@fiendishrabbit8259]

@@KarlKarpfen No. Actual electronically programmable smart rounds is a thing of the late 90s and early 2000s. The AA version of the CV90 for example. A version built for the 2020s would probably be: a. A heavy wheeled or a tracked chassis based on IFVs like boxer/Patria AMV/CV90. Using a tank-chassis is overkill (expensive both in performance and in logistics) since you don't need to handle the recoil of such a high-rate of fire gun. b. 35-50mm anti-aircraft gun with programmable rounds and a modest rate of fire. c. AESA radar+IRST system to lower threat signature (with IRST giving you full passive tracking). d. A small supply of Surface-to-Air missiles to take down helicopters, aircraft and cruise missiles.

[@KarlKarpfen]

@@fiendishrabbit8259 You are partially correct: AHEAD ammunition was a product which started commercial production in 1993, which is the time at which the Gepard 1A2 was converted from the Gepard 1A1. The muzzle device to program the AHEAD ammuntion was a key part of the upgrade to the 1A2. Still, the development was done in the 1980s. Such ammunition is much, but not new.

[@dubuyajay9964]

You going to pay for a bazillion smart rounds? Have you seen how much these weapons chew through ammo?

[@fiendishrabbit8259]

@@dubuyajay9964 Thing is. Smart rounds DON'T use a lot of ammo by comparison since they require only 1-3 shots to knock out a drone. Or saturate an infantry squad with tungsten pellets. That's their massive advantage compared to ammunition that needs direct hits or which aren't detonated in an optimized pattern.

[@jack1428]

I was wonderimg why no one was using flak in the special military operation, it makes sense economically and it should be effective against slow delicate drones.

[@1tombensky]

Twin 40mm and its cousin the quad .50 cal. were both commonly used in fire base perimeter defense in Vietnam. The 1st ID air defense batteries at Ft. Riley were equipped with 20mm gatling gun style Vulcans in the early '70's.

[@Randomactivities2.0]

Nets on poles. Nets on ballons. Nets in guns. Nets on drones. Nets on wire. Nets in artillery that slowing fall to the ground. And a blunderbuss trident.

[@Bob-h3l2y]

would low key want to see "the punt gun" added to everyone's ToE

[@cracklingvoice]

'Floog-ab-we're-can-oh-nen-panzer gə-pard'

[@Squood]

The Gepard is back, and I’m here for it.

[@fettesgnu3131]

The US almost had the ADATS but it got canceled due to the cold war ending. It is literally perfect.

[@MM22966]

"....canceled due to the cold war ending" does not narrow down the list for that.