SS14 - Tips and Tricks for Antagonists

[@robertallen789]

Ah yes, Robust. The word used so often by the playerbase that it no longer means anything.

[@Liltenhead]

pretty much

[@Hweeson]

What are the origins of robust?

[@paraphidd]

@@HweesonAccording to some SS13 wikis “Robust” was originally the name of a combat system or something???

[@thenerfkid9228]

If there's someone we can all agree is robust, it's sosa

[@idegaas1010]

​@Hweeson from someone who has 1,500+ hours in ss13 it used to mean someone who was good at the game in all ways but mostly combat,healing,hacking etc..an example would be an unarmed man taking down multiple officers and escaping untouched. Now the meaning is diluted and doesn't mean much of anything

[@DoktorGears]

The biggest two bits of advice I can offer to a Syndicate Agent is make friends with the Clown and or Mime. In a pinch they'll likely slip an Officer for you or even outright prevent your arrest at times, depending on the server at least. Second, if you need to break into a department to either get closer to a target or an objective you need to steal; try asking that department head for access first. You'd be surprised how far some Command staff are willing to promote you for simply being polite. As an example I have gone from being a lowly Mime to being Acting Captain, HoP and HoS by being nice to Command staff and making them laugh. Granted none of this really helps Nuclear Operatives but you never know what's going to happen on MRP, I've seen a mad lad prevent the stations destruction with a game of chess before.

[@potayotralala6974]

this is true even on mrp

[@lilith3133]

TBH I really want to hear the chess story now.

[@VarenvelDarakus]

this is a bit reason why i stopped playing wizden , command is often most clueless , i had so many times command refuse to arest confirmed sindicate with undenialable proof of guilt becouse "second person told them something else" , despite shells , blood and fingeprints to let them go , i just not find wizden fun enough due that , you ether kill syndicate and dump his body or command going to let them go 50/50 of time.

[@MrGrubee48cc]

I was part of that Chess Round as the HoP

[@cyberjoel]

​@MrGrubee48cc im curious. Was it like nukies challenging the station to a game of chess and leaves if they lose?

[@aydenlokey3641]

I am a stealth syndie player and here are some tips I picked up: ●Always thoroughly plan out your next move and the possible scenarios that can follow (This will allow you to be prepared for what is to come while executing your next move) ●Manage TC wisely (What can you replace potentially expensive equipment with to make the job less expensive but still quick and inconspicuous?) ●Networking is your friend and foe (Found a new friend? have a plan to kill them and take their TC in the event they are no longer useful to you (or they betray you)) ●High security objective? no problem. (Just take extra planning and precautions, get to know your objective and those guarding it. Once you know exactly when your target will be alone and vulnerable, thats when you strike quickly and get out. Example: when stealing HOS's emergency orders, you know they are in the locker. get inside security real fast posing under the intention to do some kind of service there (janitorial, lawyer ect.) when nobody is looking, 2 quick swipes of an emag amd get as far away from the office as you can while looking inconspicuous) ●Storage implants are your best friend Storage implants allow you to keep your small contraband and objectives safe in the event security wants to kick your ass, do it right and they won't find a thing on you they can prosecute for. (Got big contra/objectives? next tip)) ●Big contraband and objectives? (Go into a maintenance shaft preferably near evac and that is often secluded. (barricaded off areas are even better, solars is best if you have EVA) put a locker in your chosen area preferably in a dark corner. Anchor the locker down and break lights near it to make it even harder to see. weld the locker shut for good measure after depositing your items. when it is time to pack up and go to CentCom, retrieve your locker, stuff everything in a duffel bag and hope to god you aren't slipped) ●Know your kill targets (So you need to kill someone? Get to know them, know their job, weaknesses, strengths, areas they frequent, basically watch them for a good while to get necessary info. Then you construct your kill plan: Where do you strike? How do you strike? How do you get them there? How do you clean up? Once your plan is done you study a little further to make sure it will work, then you commence. ●Tough interior? try exterior. (So you gotta steal something like captain's jetpack? know the area you are stealing from, if it has tough security on the inside, check the outside for vulnerability such as windows you can see your target from. break the window, grab the locker and get out quick as possible. Once you are out, you break the locker and enjoy your loot.) ●Always hide your identity when striking Going to steal/kill something? before you commence your master plan, hide your identity, if all goes wrong, they don't know who you are and you live another day. Hopefully you all will find these tips helpful.

[@DrEnzyme]

If you're a shit antag like me and can't fight I have some advice: The later you make your move the better. A lot of the time you don't even need to kill your targets because someone will kill them for you. I've seen someone greentext three murders because there was a Tesla on the loose. If you time your thefts with the evac shuttle you can often just walk into whatever department you need to be in because everyone else will be on the shuttle. If the head has stayed behind until the last second it's a perfect time to merc them. Use. Your. Goddamn. Codewords. They're right there in the character panel. 2TC will get you a syndicate encryption key and let you talk to a traitor buddy in private. Just don't all gather in virology like we did because that's the one time Sec will actually be looking at the cameras. Why work together? You can do a lot more. You can bundle your TC and buy a loot crate, you can get something ridiculous like 120TC worth of random items for 30(?) TC. You can give each other access to your departments using a traitor ID. You can get your guy to kill their head if you need them dead. They can ask you for things like Chloral Hydrate if you're a chemist, and you can get them to give you Gats if they're a botanist. You can go loud together and take down much bigger obstacles. You can BASICALLY BE A NUKE OPS TEAM. USE. YOUR. GODDAMN. CODEWORDS!

[@alasdairsinclair916]

My first full greens traitor round was because despite being too much of a coward to kill the clown (He kidnapped CMO, giving me the opportunity to take him down, but then I sorta let CMO handle him), late in the round i just heard a sad honk in maints and some guy dragged him out dead and ssd. So yeah, patience works well.

[@DrEnzyme]

@@alasdairsinclair916 Clowns are a pretty good target to have, you got some good luck there. Same with the mime. If they don't do something that justifies their death you can always lie and say the mime talked or the clown injected you with meth and people will usually believe you.

[@GamesSweatshop]

ARMOKS TIPS: 1) Always steal a jug of bicar and tricor and a needle (better than bruise packs and whatnot) 2) Use 1 TC on syndicate soap, it’s the single best purchase 3) Steal noslips from jani, don’t buy them 4) Never use a duffle bag, speed is what wins combat 5) Don’t ply fair, as antag youre designed to win most 1v1 combats, and that’s still risky, try to use everything you can to your advantage. 6) Never engage in combat wounded, always heal. 7) It’s easier to kill captain and go to his room with his id than to break in. 8) Constantly be changing your identity if you’re going loud. 9) Slips are the grand equalizer, use them

[@andrewgreeb916]

Killing captain is hard, dismantling the exterior window to his room is so much easier

[@GamesSweatshop]

@@andrewgreeb916 banana + handcuff + toolbox

[@JackTalentVoiceActor]

8) nah, its not. Emag+invis box 🗿 Edit: even after stealing some things from captain, ypu can make hiding spot for all of your loot with invis box without any problems

[@cainprescott4937]

Is Syndicate soap better than the random soap bars you can find for free in lockers?

[@GamesSweatshop]

@@cainprescott4937 syndie soap stuns for 7 seconds, regular soap is for 2

[@UBlueberry]

fun fact: you can easily source medicine from checking o2 closets and looking for oxygen deprivation kits. free inaprovaline syringes can make your day a whole lot better and your life a little bit longer

[@limeslyx-z9453]

Well sort of, inaprovaline only works on patients in critical condition, although it is the strongest at healing asphyxiation. You can't exactly inject on yourself when you're critical though, but a downed team mate would surely appreciate it

[@limeslyx-z9453]

Although the syringe itself might be of extraordinary use value, to quickly use chemical medicine, and even to steal small amounts of medicine discretely from jugs left out. Your best chemical medicines will be Bruizine - healing 30 blunt per 5u Lacerinol - 30 slash per 5u Puncturase - 30 pierce per 5u Dermaline- 15 Cold, Burn, and Shock per 5u Siphon it up and put it in a pop can

[@notloopers1110]

Even if your presence is loudly annouced, as long as you dont visually look like a threat (open carry or bloodreds) a solid chunk of the station will not look twice or question you, i know personally i dont beacuse i never check radio

[@cainprescott4937]

reminds me of the old "hard hat and clipboard" trick

[@limeslyx-z9453]

Lmao, I remember usmc officers telling me about the clipboard trick when we were about to board a navy ship for 8 months

[@alex-ip3xj]

pro tip: if you get caught red-handed, yelling shitsec enough times will make the officers let you go early; you might even avoid perma

[@ps2killer1]

Try that they just end up kick the shit out of me till i died

[@OfficialUSKRprogram]

pro strat: whining about shitsec in OOC chat after the game will incur permanent psychological damage to all those playing security, making it even easier to break free next time you yell shitsec

[@Liltenhead]

Bonus points if you ahelp the sec officer too

[@_Jay_Maker_]

@@OfficialUSKRprogram Counter strat: this actually makes me angrier as Security, cementing the possibility that I will only more aggressively hunt down antags next round. Shitsec is my codeword.

[@DrTarte]

It is so nice finally knowing the numbers behind ointment, gauze and bruise packs. And, knowing I can just turn jump suits into gauze, I will save a lot of medical supplies. No one will miss the patient gowns and scrubs in the back, and breaking a lightbulb will give the janitor an excuse to visit.

[@henhenIII]

learning how to not slip and slip others will double your robustness or even triple

[@catfoodbob1]

also helps to have a syndi paramed with the only crew monitor, where they can 1 help you find targets and 2 heal you. Best antagonist, the one that doesn't even realize their an antag but still get their objectives all done. also be someone that someone else has a vested interest in you surviving

[@undersky596]

The rant is good. As a new player is really helpful. I really feel like just learning how to manage the inventory and all the keys to do things effectively is really the main hurdle for me.

[@Axtiiii]

very big tipp: HAVE A BAR OF SOAP

[@invisible2160]

Lovely, that's what i requested. Thank you so much and looking forward

[@invisible2160]

Also some guide about most important places in different stations will be usefull and maybe with some tips how to breach etc

[@RealuncleJhonny]

this will be very useful on my journey to be the most robust space gamer ever thanks lilten your life changing videos are helpful as usual o7

[@RealuncleJhonny]

lilten you forgot to mention a couple things like blood packs and emergency pens which can help stop bleed and also can be found very easily in eva closets and can be obtained on spawn you also forgot to mention the fact that you can extinguish people onfire with a water bottle or basically any other liquid that isnt flammable by attacking them with the container another way to get rid of fires is obviously extinguishers but you cant use those on yourself and the last way i know of is going into space because yknow... fire and space that doesnt work out

[@Liltenhead]

Bleeding is pretty easy to ignore, and I don't think I've ever been set on fire as an antag but fair tips

[@RealuncleJhonny]

@@Liltenhead one time i was an officer and someone used an incendiary grenade and because i had my water bottle on me i was able to save like 6 people? its a bit of a niche use but it is very useful when the situation comes plus hey its water so you can drink it if you have like nukies and cant get something to drink because of power, also even if bleeding is easy to ignore its always nice to not bleed in a combat situation especially if its so easy to prevent with the emergency pen

[@solis1383]

lithen has been changing everything about ss14, ranging from new updates to how people play the game with the info that they upload

[@88b13]

Emag disposals = absolute win

[@Phoolery]

Great vid!

[@Liltenhead]

Thank you!

[@_Ludovicus_]

Please make a video showing the tools, commands, etc. of an admin

[@andrewgreeb916]

Being syndicate is difficult, my first time I accidentally bought the chameleon kit when trying to get the stealing gloves, and got arrested quickly

[@vsevolod_pl]

Thanks, for the great vid! It would be great to have similar video about salvaging - it is not fun to die on the first misssion, but I dont understand how to avoid that.

[@Ic3Qw33n]

i came here to learn how to antag, and you taught me how to medical instead. merh.

[@aydenlokey3641]

You can also put jetpacks in your backpack slot

[@limeslyx-z9453]

I have a question, is there a way to consistently find the nukie shuttle again as a nukie?

[@Piotr_Tokarz]

Wait, duffel bags slow wearer down?

[@Liltenhead]

10%

[@alasdairsinclair916]

More storage space than backpack or satchel, 10% move speed penalty as a balancing factor.

[@godgaveyouhands2848]

if you don't know how to heal you definitely should not be checking antagonist role

[@teecee1827]

Counterpoint : no better way to learn than by trying

[@godgaveyouhands2848]

@@teecee1827 yeah with medical intern

[@33brolicmen]

So when will stun defense happen? There needs to be some sort of counter

[@kastoridesbobur]

In-game Met, it will wake you from stun

[@the-pepsi-paladin]

Walter white

[@GamesSweatshop]

According to devs never

[@andrewgreeb916]

In theory blunt resist should reduce rubber bullet stun damage. Shock resist should reduce stun from shock.

[@33brolicmen]

I just find it hard to believe that rubber bullets would have any effect on someone inside plated armor, IE the syndicate hardsuit or others. I think it would be good to have some hardsuits have blunt resist to things like rubbers whilst being a bit more susceptible to lazers and vice versa for vests

[@SpaceCatTheThird]

It’s three twenty seven am

[@PSEVDONIM228]

honk

[@SPACE_OTVIM]

я первый

[@vsevolod_pl]

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[@Werddrewtv]

Day 73 of asking Liltenhead to unban me in his comments (I am aware I'm not gonna get unbanned, it's just for the funny now)

[@IcepickedCyanide]

One thing that I havent managed to figure out is how im being stunned by space pens. I dont know if its just for lizards, but I can get injected with (what I think is) 2 space pens and just drop to the floor. Ive tried to do this to a human but it didnt work, just wanted some clarification

[@alasdairsinclair916]

What you're looking for is the nocturine bottle and hypopen, both found in the traitor uplink. That was not a regular medipen.

[@IcepickedCyanide]

@@alasdairsinclair916 Damn dont know why i didnt think of that, I think it just was the sound, they both make the same inject sound.