Who Originally Planted the Bomb in Saints Row 1?

[@morpheus3383]

That aisha theory isn’t far fetched at all. I was playing saints row the other day & the mission where you drive tanya’s limo she says “warren called me aisha again. You believe that?” I swear she was sleeping with him

[@mrsaintsgodzilla21]

I completely forgot about that!

[@b2rdistheword942]

mrsaintsgodzilla21 I did This Mission Today! Please add me mrsaintsgodzilla21 I sent you a friend request to play saints row

[@TheReformedTyrant]

@@b2rdistheword942 yikes

[@strafe8866]

Boyy

[@VegitoBlackityBlack]

@@b2rdistheword942 wow. People still play this?

[@michaelburke7978]

I always thought that Julius planting the bomb was so out of character for him. He deserved better. It should've been someone like Dex, who turned out to be a sellout in the next game.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I like that it was julius because a mentor killing a mentee is way more emotional than anyone who setup the bomb

[@starkiller007]

It's hardly out of character when you consider Troy wanted to bust him, and Julius, being human, probably - in the heat of the moment, gave in and figured a way out for himself. The idea is that Julius felt toward the end that the saints were becoming like the vice kings and didn't want to have continue down that road and cut off all ties with the best deal possible for himself. Dex up and left like a smart man, but Julius figured the only way to truly get out was to kill the player and Gat. Gat didn't die, though, instead got arrested, and the player was too ruthless to just arrest, as Julius predicted, so he opted to put him down like 'ol yeller. I imagine Julius felt fleeting pains of guilt years after the event, but that it was for the best... but oh how wrong he was.

[@riotrecker8978]

Yeah but I think it works because you see him and you think that he’s better then most of them but it showed that he was still a criminal just like the rest of them

[@Supasaiyang0d]

Julius did plant the bombs and if you play Saints row 2 go to the police station and go to the detectives area and there are audio recordings of Julius and Troy about the bomb and it unlocks a secret mission to kill Julius

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

Jack Walker no

[@AidenRKrone]

I'm actually glad they decided to go with the rewrite of SR2. Julius' justification for planting the bomb actually makes sense. He realized that the Saints had become the very thing they swore to destroy, so he decided to abruptly end them.

[@KaibaSeto.]

Except,destroying the Saints would only cause (and is what happened in SR2) other gangs to come,take the city and fight over control,causing gang wars once again

[@J-Hue]

Right. It actually makes the story a lot better and his story more tragic. Despite his end, he's the only member in the gang that deserved to live and his motives and actions were completely justified.

[@YZY_Fox21]

@@AISlopTheatre He deserved it.. when hiding and take a job from ultor as the Visitor Guide tourist.. his life was comfortable.. while playa Struggling to protect His gang from anything.. and when to conquer Stilwater city.. But at the same time it's really sad.. they making Julius too old..

[@LeeLonnieLove]

@@J-Hue Julius is a hypocrite. The only reason he blows you up is cause he got caught up with the fede.

[@gohanlopez5330]

@@LeeLonnieLove o always thought after Julus was caught, he sold the player out, but probably had a grudge on the mayor (old guy)

[@deweybiggs3074]

It was fl1ppy.

[@abluecar5375]

lmao

[@ViktorKruger99]

the fl1pster

[@notfatigue3169]

Wow, Saints row 2 in the 70's and the third in Japan. Somewhere in the multiverse, those games exist.

[@trickster8764]

Could you even imagine....

[@notfatigue3169]

@@trickster8764 I mean we wouldn't have gotten our Saints Row 2. But who knows maybe the original ending could have made the series better.

[@johntinio1680]

wish we lived there mabye our lives in that alternate universes are better or mabye this virus wouldn't exist and we can just go out without worrying about wearing a mask or dying alone. At the same time so I can see beta sr2 and 3.

[@notfatigue3169]

@@johntinio1680 I feel you man, it ain't all bad tho, at least we're not dealing with a black hole or an asteroid. We'll get through this. Just gotta have faith Arthur.

[@LadyBern]

Just imagine four could have been Killbane ending up in Japan and either the playa following or better yet a new protagonist taking care of him and other factions, at least it wouldn't feel so odd in terms of the playa's personality changing so much over 3 & 4.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

The best part is that julius doesn't even have a watch in the cutscene. But honestly the julius ending was better than any other person in the game because it's more emotional that way

[@MidnightClubStillCancelledSoz]

I feel like Aisha stole Julius' watch or somethin'

[@redfire1463]

Midnight Club Still Cancelled Soz I see you everywhere 😂

[@keezymann4655]

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE BEFORE ME!?!?

[@amberdowden2182]

U ALWAYS COMMENT ON EVERYTHING I WATCH

[@abluecar5375]

Congratulations my old friend You just become the most infamous user in the KZbin comment section Bravo

[@TheRacerBoy35]

OMG, DUDE Why the hell are you everywhere

[@starstruckp4808]

Here’s the eerie part; out of everyone in SR2, Aisha was the only one that was shocked when she saw that the Playa was still alive.

[@JessicaJones-yw5qo]

I noticed this on my most recent playthrough. I think I have seen that cutscene at least a dozen times since the game came out and I only JUST caught it, and it was due to playing both back to back..

[@LeeLonnieLove]

why wouldn’t she be he got blown up

[@Killahkingkoh]

@@LeeLonnieLove makes you wonder, who all really knew what was going to happen on that boat that night?

[@bfbuilders]

No wonder we never got another Saints Row 2 style game! We barely got one to begin with!

[@MarZRemarkable]

david_justin5523 I see your a fan of flippy

[@mrcocoloco7200]

True

[@bfbuilders]

Un Known nah I’m just hoping someone would get the reference

[@Jinseng]

Fuck what fl1ppy video was that it’s been so long I’ve been trying to find it

[@bfbuilders]

Grover and Le Chimpe shit I don’t remember that’s a good question actually

[@brandonarmstrong4947]

I kinda wish they stuck with the original plan to see where they’d go with it

[@trickster8764]

If they had, I feel like it would've went in SO much of a better direction. they could've even added Steelport after they got done in Japan somehow, like if Stilwater would be a sub charter to the saints, and they wanted to branch of to a nearby city, and have it take on the roles of three different enemy factions.

[@johntinio1680]

especially with 3 that would've been better than that empty map they call steelport and 2 even if it was still great would've answered many questions. I hope sr5 either does one of the 2 things they never did most likely they would do what sr2 was supposed to be which was a game set in the 70s if we wanted a gangster style game since a sequel would probably be agents of mayhem but if it was canon to the story. Also so questions can be answered.

[@brandonarmstrong4947]

trickster 876 Yeah, that would’ve been really cool

[@brandonarmstrong4947]

John Caius Tinio Yeah, but knowing what they did with 3 & 4 I wouldn’t be surprised if it was some whack ass trippy fun shit again

[@abluecar5375]

If they had, maybe it will lead to a better version of Saints Row 4 Also, I'm actually interested to play Saints Row in the 70s, sure, roaming in Stilwater in SR2 is still cool, but man, I wish they went this direction, instead of having the franchise progressively getting worse in each games after SR2 SR2 is still one of the best one, but It would be interesting to see how the 70s Saints Row 2 would be like, you never know if the story is good or not Actually, since they're making a new Saints Row game, what are the chances that it's a reboot and they're going for the original draft?

[@q.h.s5051]

I’m happy hearing about these new facts. That alternative Saints Row 2’s ending of the Playa coming out of the water pissed off beyond belief sounds badass! Going to Japan sounds... strange. Ben King could’ve been the bomber.... awesome! I’m glad we got the ending we did though because it led to one of the greatest open world or just one of the greatest video games ever!

[@EGG-dt6nc]

Q.H.S I hope you mean saints row 2

[@q.h.s5051]

Diego Andrade Yes pal. Saints Row 2 is one of the greatest games I’ve ever played and one of the greatest open world games ever. Better than any GTA in my opinion

[@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420]

Happy 69 likes 😏

[@q.h.s5051]

A Saints Row Fan Hand me the penetrator

[@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420]

Tell Viola or Zimos

[@domovoi2861]

The point he makes in SR2 about the playa being a sociopath is weird because playa did all the stuff he did in SR1 on HIS orders, so in the end, it was Julius himself who shaped the playa into what he became, which by extension makes him a sociopath as well So either the writers messed up with that one or Julius is a huge hypocrite, which doesn't seem likely either

[@1vanguard4]

I know this is a 9 month old comment but I think Julius was referring to what Playa has done during SR2

[@domovoi2861]

@@1vanguard4 damn, I actually forgot this comment of mine existed and now that I look at it, it's dumb as hell Julius as he was in SR1 was playa's role model and he's pretty much made in his image, but SR2 Julius is not the the same anymore, he's just a tired old man with many regrets

[@olechristianhenne6583]

The development team messed up big time

[@manamongstboyz8956]

They can still go through on the idea of Ben and Julius’ backstory and call it Saints Row Origins

[@jond5830]

Not without Michael Clark Duncan, it wouldn't be the same, no matter how talented the actor.

[@_Jerry8a]

@@jond5830 They still could do it, actually. Because keep in mind that if they had decided to do a SR prequel that takes place in the 70's, we would've seen a young Julius & young Ben King. It only makes sense to have a different voice actor for Ben King, ideally one whose voice sounds almost similar to Michael Clarke Duncan's

[@_Jerry8a]

@@jond5830 It could still work

[@thebandit0256]

How would it be Troy Remember the quote from Johnny SR2 "You better start getting with the times. Julius is missing, Ben King wrote an autobiography, Dex is a...don't even get me started with Dex...but the real kicker is Troy. In a couple months he went from undercover cop to chief of police...and word is he's become obsessed with finding out what happened on your little boat trip with the Alderman."

[@abluecar5375]

I like how you used the GTA V score track "We Were Set Up" in this vid because obviously, Boss was set up to get killed lol, either way, it's a perfect use of that score, and plus some good infos about the original story, so therefore, I love this vid

[@DeemingAmbition]

This is the kind of juicy info I love hearing! Keep up the good work, man!

[@Vrunko_Real]

If we woulda got the original ending I would have been way more satisfied than I was when SR2 was announced

[@MidnightClubStillCancelledSoz]

Same here, no doubt.

[@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420]

@@MidnightClubStillCancelledSoz Saints Row and GTA? Man you awesome

[@carltaylor3834]

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[@abluecar5375]

Same

[@tabletopdrop4004]

the world may never know

[@khaledrehan5397]

Saints row reboot set in the 70s

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

Khaled Rehan no

[@kadnaz]

@@louisbeerreviews8964 what do you want instead then? more aliens in space conquering a new planet? these are our only two options mate

[@JackyWackyPSD]

Saints Row: The Third being originally planned for Japan would've been so cool. Ever since I started replaying Sleeping Dogs i've always wanted another similiar game.

[@ogloc5118]

Try the Yakuza series bro

[@awesomedude2556]

To be fair, Sleeping Dogs was set in Hong Kong, not Japan

[@derekallen2141]

if you go to the price mansion on saints row 2 you can see how run down its gotten with squatters and vandalism

[@realCyng]

Bruh so many different ways this series coulda gone and we ended up with the worst timeline

[@ethanblair7351]

Well not quite it could be worse

[@realCyng]

@@ethanblair7351 how?

[@ethanblair7351]

@@realCyng saintsrow was originally planning to kill off johnny gat and shaundi permanently let me explain it is stated that killing killbane was the original planned ending as stated by the enter the dominatrix dlc in saintsrow iv this would also explain why shaundi isn't shown in future dlc cutscenes within saintsrow the third they also planned to kill off johnny gat as originally saintsrow iv would be focus on a evil clone of johnny gat that resurrects old world leaders into gangs thats also why you get a zombie gat after completeing the base saintsrow the third

[@mw00295]

@@ethanblair7351 sounds better than whatever saints row 4 was

[@ethanblair7351]

@@mw00295 there was also a very early version of saintsrow called bling bling jackass yes thats what it used to be called it was cancelled had they given up then and there no saintsrow at all

[@dangchis]

If SR:3 was in Japan, it would’ve been like Yakuza 😳

[@BigNutJuice]

It would've been like a baby between Yakuza and Sleeping Dogs!

[@b2rdistheword942]

LA2Gaming I have yakuza 4,yakuza 5,Sleepy dogs and saints row the third (I have all saints row games)

[@b2rdistheword942]

LA2Gaming sorry autocorrect sleeping dogs

[@channel45853]

How? Saints Row isn't like Yakuza at all

[@GilbertTheWeird]

I'd say it woulda been Manuel. Seeing as how the LC had rockets to protect him and Hector, I wouldn't find it too far-fetched for him to be able to get his hands on a bomb. And Manuel isnt a stranger to betrayal, he wanted Luz, revealed Angelo's location, then left Luz for a younger girl in 2. And I'd say the Columbians realized how much they would be pushed if the Saints fully took over and had Manuel take care of it either by hiring a guy to do it or doing it himself. As for him getting wind of the meeting? Stilwater has a lot of loose lips. Hector wasn't even safe from that for Dex and Troy to find out where hid deal was going to be.

[@trickster8764]

Did you really just say "THE LC?" It's just LC... whatever. (Hope you get the reference lol)

[@amandaperez8611]

trickster 876 I get it 😂

[@KaibaSeto.]

Dex and Troy found Hector's meeting intel on a note found when the Saints took over the drug lab

[@adrianmartin2238]

It’s not THE los carnales it’s just the carnales

[@frankwest8869]

I DONT NEED SLEEP I NEED ANSWERS

[@Ghosty6464]

You cover wars, ya know?

[@hengphan9447]

Yea

[@aleksandar4841]

Well at the same time Donnie was certain that the playa was dead after drowning

[@JoseMedina-hs9st]

You know Joseph price remind me of Vin Diesel

[@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420]

Lmao

[@UltimateLegoFan324]

You should definitely make a detailed video about the scrapped/alternate stories from these games

[@ethanblair7351]

Yes!!

[@tatsushiro5532]

I agree

[@thatmotorfreak]

I guess sometimes laziness DOES payoff. That being said I do find Jaros' original story to be quite interesting.

[@Beatnu3000]

The fact that Aisha’s the one checking her watch makes me think it was supposed to be her. But they ended up crafting a real good explanation behind Julius’ motivations, so I’m kinda glad things ended up the way it did.

[@ronniebon7163]

About an hour ago I found myself watching a video literally about this, it's a really interesting topic though that I want to look into more

[@carltaylor3834]

Fr

[@carltaylor3834]

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[@ronniebon7163]

@@carltaylor3834 360 or Xbox One?

[@supertna9154]

According to both Saints Row IV it was Julius Little because what you discover in one of Julius' audio logs in Saints Row IV is that he wouldn't let a psychopath run things so he did what he had to do and never thought the boss would survive the explosion.

[@GRH_Roadhouse]

carlos's brother did it Roadhouse

[@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420]

Shut The Fuck Up With The Roadhouse

[@GRH_Roadhouse]

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[@GRH_Roadhouse]

@Genki Gal 😭 Roadhouse

[@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420]

@@GRH_Roadhouse 🖕🏻

[@notfatigue3169]

@@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420 Roadhouse for life. Roadhouse.

[@ethanblair7351]

damn the original saintsrow 2 and the third sounded so awesome now i'm definitely disappointed they didn't animate julius properly

[@WoR20cK]

The way I see it, Troy was minding his own business at the time, contemplating whether or not he did the right thing. The others probably knew about Hughes' corruption and planned the boat explosion. Julius couldn't see the meeting from his vantage point and probably didn't know the playa was on the boat. He just knew that Hughes had to go because of his plans to tear down the Row as well as revenge for many reasons. The Playa was invited last minute to the boat so he was pretty much stuck at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[@willewart8159]

4:50 perhaps it was originally supposed to be shown as aisha having some sort of affair with williams so she blew the player up to cover up his knowledge because when you do the mission where you're tonya's limo driver she says "warren called me aisha again can you believe that"

[@ethanblair7351]

Um tanya blew his brains out so it couldn't be

[@willewart8159]

@@ethanblair7351 good point however that does not compensate for how the player was informed by tanya before she killed warren

[@labenvenci1584]

I'd love to see an big video someday with an interview / in-depth look at Jareo's Saints Row 2 and 3. Mabye an thing where he explains the whole idea with concept art and early renders, and some drafts if possible. I can see it lasting atleast 40 minutes with him explaining how the game would work and the setting.

[@helicalhalo379]

Prequel-game about the origins of Vice Kings and Saints in the 70s would be really cool (and it even possible for them to actually do it someday)

[@JoseMedina-hs9st]

That's kind of interesting if Saints Road would have took that path Saints Row 2 would have been a different game

[@blastoxic9992]

@@AISlopTheatre I heard it's a Mario Kart-like version of Saints Row.

[@k.scalise7016]

Perhaps this is how they could reboot saints row by showing sr1s ending and going with the original plan

[@Thepotatoj]

Oh hey its j

[@olechristianhenne6583]

To be really honest that's pretty much a good start seeing how Saints Row just got more f*****

[@khansterbeam95]

This is REALLY interesting. Thanks for diving into it! Hearing what the original plans were though, I'm glad we got what we got in the end(SR2 specifically). Still, now I've just got all the questions about where we would've been in the story today if they went with what they planned 😆

[@jond5830]

How cool would it have been, if SR1 had been released with the ORIGINALLY pitched ending (that we should have gotten) and then a SR2 proper that would have accommodated that ending instead of the SR2 which accommodated the ending we originally received. Honestly, I was really attached to Julius in SR1. Not just because I'm a Keith David fan, but the character was really well written and associable. When the bomb blew in my first play through my thought was, "Did Julius just betray me?!". I was hoping it wasn't true, partially because it was a little out of left field and unexpected. I found out about the circumstantial debacle a long time ago, but I always love knowing that it was never in the original plan for Julius to betray the Playa. Now, what if we would've gotten a re-release of SR1 with the authentic ending, and then the appropriate SR2 soon after . . . . Oh, Volition. What you threw away in the name of whatever wild hair demanded you make the reboot into . . . whatever from hell you made.

[@Matt-md5yt]

I think Dex could have done it. We did want to kill him later on, since he became a head of Ultor

[@johnneate3648]

I've thought about this before and I thought it may have been Dex originally. Although there is no real hints that he planted the bomb, there is some foreshadowing from NPCs that say that they expect that Dex will one day betray Julius so he could become leader of the Saints. By the time of the explosion, Julius was thought to have been in custody making the Playa the new head of the Saints. Dex could've seen this as an opportunity to take over the Saints by killing the Boss, and as a tactician, taking out Hughes could have removed some corrupt governmental problems for the Saints. This is obviously untrue now as Saints Row 2 revealed that Dex had planned to leave the Saints way before the yacht incident.

[@_Jerry8a]

A shame they never went through with a prequel series. Also would've liked to have been introduced to Alejandro Lopez, the founder of Los Carnales and see the difference in leadership skills between him & his sons

[@scribblemethis]

I think Dex makes the most sense, to me. The player had just taken over as Julius's #2, providing motive, and it helps make Dex trying to kill them both in SR2 a little more consistent.

[@trickster8764]

NO WAY!! I was JUST re-playing Saints Row 1!! Thank you so much for Saints Row 1 content!!! It's my absolute favorite in the series :D

[@KidneyStealer02]

But the real question how did the boss survive from that yacht explosive.

[@xnAqua]

DrakeRainbow is a Bad Editor “don’t think too hard about it”

[@WanderingKumquat]

He jumped off it was explained in sr2 and then Troy kept him alive and breathing in the prison

[@kurtjappy]

I like to think that julis told everyone in that cut scene that he was going to kill the playa as it was revealed that julis only killed the playa as he was getting out of hand and putting others lives at risk. However he didn't tell Johnny as he would...well....do a Gat.

[@harleyeaton9251]

Donnie is probably the planter of the bomb. In Saints Row 2, he does plant bombs on the Brotherhood's vehicles, so we know he's capable. He also had a liking for Lin and most likely holds a grudge on the player for letting her die. Also, a big giveaway is when Donnie says to the player "You were supposed to be dead!" He might not be talking about the car sinking, because who else would kill Joseph? He could be talking about the yacht bombing.

[@drakertheheartbreaker2771]

You can use those baggy jeans as a parachute

[@carltaylor3834]

Can u play sr1 or sr2 plz play with me

[@messii648]

Continue with these theories, it’s fun to see from another perspective, for example how did Dane Vogel get so much power? Was it Dex who helped him. There is so much untold story..

[@MrBounceoutboi]

Personally I see Dex doing it, he was willing to do anything and was smarter than the majority of the crew

[@jsr6579]

Is almost 1 am where I live and I have virtual classes, but I dont care if is for a video of this guy, Good video as always btw

[@Holloaway]

If they don't go with a reboot, new Saints Row 5 might actually take place in the 70s with Julius and Ben, no?

[@mrcocoloco7200]

Nice. I always have that question in my head but now because of this video, it's been answered.

[@Lurid_Fox]

Me hearing gta v’s music in the background “wait Thats illegal”

[@DDDorsett]

I'm suprised the Demonitizatio bot didn't hit yet

[@Akibler11]

Love this channel and your terminator voice

[@carltaylor3834]

Me too

[@JawN_56]

Keep up your grind man love the videos

[@rocatiusmatautia-solomona1314]

Shit! it would've been awesome to play a Saints Row in the 70s!

[@midnightclubforevercancell4367]

"I said talk! Not set off a goddamn bomb!"

[@amberdowden2182]

So many MC cancelled profiles that like SD

[@yukon7338]

I'm so pissed that they didn't stuck with the original plan :(

[@ethanblair7351]

it would of been amazeing

[@callymash2432]

I liek to think that Aisha and Julius planned it together. Julius got out of jail and went to Aisha, asking her about sourcing a bomb, Aisha seeing it as an opportunity to destroy the saints and hopefully remove Johnny from the gangster lifestyle goes along with it and sources an explosive for Julius. Julius being a man with a strict moral code (and maybe even possibly because she reminds him of Ben King's sister) didn't reveal her involvement. I think Aisha then just played nice in SR2 to avoid a violent reaction from the playa, which could of also perhaps sparked a saints civil war. That's my headcanon anyway

[@digit969]

Remaster the whole franchise with the original plot. That'd be interesting.

[@DannyBirchTheAnimeLoverGamer]

Julius sees the yacht and walks away staring at his watch.

[@ŌtsutsukiSan]

I also don’t think it was Manuel because everyone was well aware that the Playa was the new head of the gang. I was playing last night and a few members and pedestrians commented, knowing who the new head of the gang was. In fact everyone from the gang that commented preferred the playa. One Saint stated, “Fuck Julius we got you in charge.”

[@insaneprofessorxzone2420]

1:39 no watch😂 he looking at nothing.

[@flaming0sniper0]

that gta contact mission music is so relaxing

[@MisterResistance101]

Wow so if things would’ve been a little different back in 2006-2007 inside Volition, Saints Row 2, 3, and 4 would’ve been much different and 3 and 4 would’ve been more down to earth just like the 1st game. Unbelievable.

[@SillyBanjo]

6:28 How in the world is Ben King in his super hero simulation outfit at the beginning of Saints Row 4? Is this a some sort of mod that lets you replay missions?

[@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420]

I didn't do it with no mod I've done it by a cheat called: unlockitall

[@SillyBanjo]

@@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420 How do you enter cheats before the simulation?

[@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420]

Go to your "phone" Go to cheats *"Add cheats"* Type the code unlockitall

[@SillyBanjo]

@@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420 i understand how to input cheats. I just didn't know you could put them in that early.

[@Tardo_the_ass_monkeyy420]

What? every Saints Row player knows how to do cheats before the open world

[@ericahoney5993]

@5:21 I really wanted a Saints Row flash back to Benjamin King and Julius' story, so seeing it was a possibility that never happened sucks.

[@Jinseng]

I remember fl1ppy mentioned that volition stream in an old video and since then I’ve always wondered what they originally had planned I didn’t think we’d ever get an answer

[@xXxKAMIKAZExXx]

I love game beta concepts. This was really interesting.

[@kracomimusic]

I know I'm two years late but I think Donnie could be likely. Remember in saints row 2 how he used bombs to destroy the brotherhoods trucks. It's like they were teasing their previous story.

[@HeyNiso]

but, hey, that’s just a theory. A Saints Theory! thanks for watching.

[@RivadoValon]

A Saints Row back in the 70's can be a prequel to the original Saints Row. From how the Saints started, how Ben King & Julius got to know each other, Ben King sister who had a relationship with Julius (maybe even a kid came out of that relationship and that kid became a parent who is the father/ mother of the Playa), Ben King gaining and losing power in Stillwater , Julius in hiding because he wanted to get out of the gang life and so on and so on

[@Danielt104]

It warms my heart to know my favorite game of the franchise is what it is because of LAZINESS

[@SATANAMA]

Hey man just wanna say I’ve been watching for about 2 weeks now and I’ll have you on the background while playing sr2 and fuck man I’ve learned so many things about my favorite game! I used to come home from school deal with wack ass bullies but once I got home oh boy…sr2 all day and back to school :) just wanna say thanks for making these awesome videos and amazing stuff!

[@chessemchesse3676]

i remember watching that dev interview like 3 times but yet at least saintsgodzilla reminded me of it

[@Daxter-hl7dw]

My theory on who planted the bomb? Johnny Gat, if the Saints need a fall guy they're going for the most violent member of the group. That's between Gat and the Player, not to mention that Dex is in Ultor which is bad publicity, Julius is a ghost and Troy is a cop. In Troy's tapes he tells Julius to try and convince Gat and the Player, Julius mentions that the player will be too difficult but never mentioned Johnny being difficult to deal with. It could be that Johnny was asked to get The Player but Gat knew it would be too difficult to grab and fight with him, so he rigged the boat believing it wouldn't make a big difference (the aggressive and chaotic plan of using a bomb fits more with Gat than Julius). This oversight on Gat's part would lead to his imprisonment and eventual trial, but as Gat is saved he not only feels betrayed by Julius and Troy but feels he has no choice, if he wants to survive he must have the Player's back again and help him with the Saints. It's also possible (unless there is a clear timeline) that Gat would have had a deal going while the Player was in a coma where once the player awakens and were to be executed Gat would be silently let go, but because Player escapes Gat became the fall guy and was rushed to court.

[@MenLover53]

id be so mad and upset if i had this plan for the direction i wanted to take my franchise and someone just gets lazy and messes it all up....

[@ethanblair7351]

thats how things works sometimes people are very lazy and nine times out of ten if you want something done right you have to do it yourself atleast this could still be Incorporated into a movie

[@oliverfasola19]

1970’s saints row 2 is the game we’ve needed since the actual saints row 2

[@ivory_220]

Going to Japan would've made sense for sr3's wackyness lol

[@glitchedsushi]

Julius was looking at the watch? I always thought he was doing that gang salute in which you put a fist on your heart

[@billybobscat6233]

Man, they really messed this game up when you know what was supposed to be vs what is. They could always go back if they wanted tho. The whole coma angle. Like everything since 2 was a dream.

[@deadlyvaultboy1368]

Love your videos

[@jaythosonmp439]

but what we all know for surw is....that bomb really changed the bosses hair in saints row 2

[@Andrewnuva199]

I've been saying it a lot around certain circles, but I think it would be a baller move if a remake of Saints Row (either a ground-up remaster or a SR3-engine remake) actually restored Julius's original ending with the implication that the game is actually a reboot timeline now, leaving the possibility for all-new game stories in the era of SR2 and after, of a sort. (more spoilerific ideas below the "more" bit) The reboot specially a branch-out from the "cop" ending of Gat out of Hell. What if after the reboot he remembers everything before, but his more youthful experiences and semi-impartial take on that past history makes him feel like the Saints getting so big as to cause the destruction of Earth is a bad thing, so it turns out in this timeline he was the undercover cop in the Row instead of Troy, sabotaging the Saints after the Rollerz, Carnalas & Kings are smoked so that they never come to the same power that led them to the events of the Third and later. It's a betrayal rooted in keeping Aisha and everything he knows safe, but not a straightforward one. Like Troy, he still has the brotherhood of the Row, so he doesn't want to outright kill his friends, but he wants to stop them from being the same force that got them from Steelport to the White House. An alternate take on his dissatisfaction with celebrity in The Third; he wants to keep the Saints grounded & out of the attention of the Syndicate/Zynak/Satan like before.

[@DannyBirchTheAnimeLoverGamer]

Yacht explodes and you end up in a coma.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

Wait, if the original idea for SR2, during writing of the first, involved Ultor, that means we can factor Ultor into the theorizing. So yeah, I guess Ultor is a good option for setting the Playa up the bomb.

[@kadnaz]

It could very easily be the Rollerz's buyers, aka the Ronin. The Ronin have the motive to kill the playa, through the fact that they wiped out their suppliers, the Rollers, and they also have the means, due to being a well funded organised crime group. Doesn't seem too far fetched to me.

[@D_LGND]

I thought it was confirmed Julius did it because if you recruit Matt and Julius together they have an interaction on how they tried to kill the boss with Julius admitting he blew up the boat

[@lucklaracroft]

Saints row 1 deserves a remake to fix issues with the story towards the end as the ending looked a bit rushed

[@TheGodQuac]

I was shocked by this ending lol

[@elmaster48]

personally I think it was ultor, if not much changes for the hypothetical saints row 3 to what became saints row 2 then ultor would have the same level of power that it did in the real saints row 2. And how they become so influential? By taking over the renovation plan of saints row after Hughes death, so either playa was collateral damage and the real objective was Hughes or they decided to kill both Hughes and a important lieutenant of the saints to cripple them and make things easier. Make sense considering the role that ultor had back in saints row 2.

[@conradojavier7547]

We Deserved a Saints Row Prequel about the Vice King's Origin Story.

[@roosgambino]

About the Ben King one. Could it be that since King left before he possibly didn't know the playa would be on the yacht, but known that the yacht belonged to alderman hughes so he planted the bomb while the playa just happened to be on board? Although it'd be kind of hard to continue off from that. And assuming Saint's Row 2 would have turned out the same except for Julius being the culprit how do you think they'd handle Aisha appearing in the Ronin story or the reveal itself?

[@InternetRob]

Loves these sorts of videos

[@gerardwaysway5999]

Finally a longer video

[@sokoTV2]

I wonder how many other games and frankly all forms of media have been changed drastically due to laziness of a few guys.