Kain Training Guide 200 - 250

[@Waffiesss]

gz on the 10k

[@Sacrix]

🎉 tyty

[@FoxyShannon]

Just made a Kain as a 2nd main because he's cool and fun to play, and I'm already running out of keyboard space at 160 with hyperskills, can't wait for 5th job lmao

[@seancurtis1199]

Kain fell off in enjoyment so quickly, such a shame because I love the aesthetic of the class. I hope they fix its rotations and quality of life

[@IceonRose]

Am I the only one who don't mind all the issues Kain has XD like I love the fact that it's so active and the mobbing isn't particularly BAD bad :D But then again I mained a DA and now switched to a Kain main, so maybe that's why I don't have a problem with Kain since DA has always been so dull. Regardless of my opinion, great video as always! It helps a lot with my training! Thank you~

[@belz3lga]

Excellent personal analysis. Totally agree for the manual/auto Posession. I though it when I reach to lvl 210. Nice work bro. Thanks for your effort and patience!

[@dexalify]

Big gratz on 10k subs

[@angelacampagnani9140]

I love ur laugh and ur videos 💖

[@Sacrix]

❤

[@alexmiller4755]

Actually as I trained at PD4 I found my way around the obnoxiousness of the map lol. I strike arrows the entire bottom then grappling up to the tiny platform floating in the middle on the left, then continue striking arrows my way in mid platform, jump down and repeat. This way both top and second to last platform are also cleared. Ps: Ya called it. Grip got buffed

[@wyckedi2628]

Kain has some nice themes and esthetics I’d say. But it feels like the kit doesn’t fully functions as intended. Gratz tho! Do Corsair next! 🔫

[@arkhust6775]

yeh, the colors and the skills look so cool yet u need to micro manage so much stuff it makes it not worth it... the possession and then having to cast a askill makes it extremelly cluncky and difficult for zero reason at all...

[@wyckedi2628]

@@arkhust6775 Yeah. Maybe someday they will fix it!

[@carolbrokethewallagain]

Kain is a class that I’d honestly like to see the Nexon intended way of playing this class because so many things just go in so many different directions. I managed to find a rhythm myself for executes and possessions that works just fine. Three possessions into three executes, then two possessions in time for two executes as Chain Sickle comes off cooldown, into three executes into three executes again coinciding with Poison Needle’s cooldown, using strike arrow to stack up the malice during the merit buff time. That’s the rotation I’ve found for very consistent malice production, but it drops one of the bottom two executes in damage. It also makes possession Unseen Snipers outside of the three minute burst window decently inconsistently. And then there the ton of stacks Thanatos Descent puts on. Is that where the fourth execute skill that I can’t fit on my keyboard comes in? Do I space out possession skills while doing the execute rotation as usual to stock up extra malice? Or do I hold down phantom blade until it hits zero? I get Hoyoung and Mercedes vibes here, where I don’t know if I’m doing playing parts of the class “right”. Like is spamming possessions and popping them with phantom blade the goal here? Am I doing it right already? Is there little difference to overall dps either way? Is there another way that might be boss dependent? Because I see so many different play styles around and parts of the kit that go in different directions. I don’t know, maybe someone will test it out properly someday. Like how the ideal TB combos after the thunderbolt nerf came quickly, or Zomgnit realizing spamming just Javelin was more dps on Illum. Whatever happens, there needs to be a buff to malice production because so many bosses just go untargetable between the execute procs or just lose all their stacks, and then malice production falls off. That said, manual possession is one of the least annoying things about the class to me and is even flat out beneficial in comparison. Maybe it’s me having been a Blaster player for a while and becoming a Cadena player recently, where thrash canceling is manual possession but for everything. I’d take making the possessed skills coming off cooldown being visible as the regular ones, since my usually method of seeing the white flash in the corner of my eye instead of looking at the bar all the time. An auto-possession toggle sounds nice for mobbing, even if for bossing I feel like it would make your eyes glued to the bottom corner even more, you’d easily miss the possession effect, and probably end up with a ton of stacks being whiffed because of using the wrong skill at the wrong time. Manual doesn’t have any of those problems, and most of the problems with manual possession is just it being ping related.

[@Kytzis]

Not gonna say this is an absolute, but after some testing from the people in the Kain discord we found strike arrow spam to be better for damage overall on bosses, instead of using cartridges. A mix of just higher damage output and helping with Malice generation. This makes it way less hectic, and makes controlling you Malice pretty much a breeze

[@bbtxx3]

hi can i join the kain discord as well, i main a kain too and would like more advices!!

[@Kytzis]

@@bbtxx3 discord.gg/WyZ24Dm8fD

[@bbtxx3]

@@Kytzis ty!

[@Sacrix]

That's interesting to hear. TBH I was kind of expecting it, since GMS has AS0, it was likely to be another situation like HY, where just spamming earth at AS0 was better damage. Feels bad to lose a bit of the classes originality, but it for sure would be a lot less hectic to play with mainly Strike Arrow.

[@Kytzis]

@@Sacrix still need to watch out for the possession CD and execute CD, as those are still worth. I find it really fun

[@pinger8067]

21:42 Kain's hidden technique, become a kanna

[@FleshCrawler]

When’s ark coming father sacrix

[@meijikenbootes]

Grip of Agony is getting its cooldown reduced to 90s but duration is also halved. Read it on Orange Mushroom but I've forgotten which update was it on.

[@solyshenouda]

PLEASE make one for Dawn Warrior!!

[@mleszyn]

Anyone know what dailies and monster park changes he's referencing around 20:28? Sounds too good to be true.

[@Sacrix]

When you complete Arcane River area daily quests, the experience rewards will now be given all at once. If you complete all the daily quests in each area and complete the following quests, you will receive the completion experience once per day per world. [Daily Quest] Road of Vanishing Investigation (373m experience) [Daily Quest] Chew Chew Island Best Dish (910m experience) [Daily Quest] Lacheln’s Peaceful Night (1.635b experience) [Daily Quest] Arcana’s Peaceful Wind (2.118b experience) [Daily Quest] For the Stability of Morass (2.333b experience) [Daily Quest] Esfera Research Order (2.489b experience) From the Maple Story LIVE update. orangemushroom.net/2021/06/17/kms-ver-1-2-349-maple-live/ Add onto that exp Arcana Monster park, which gives a little over 2b per run. Thats potentially 24b exp per day, on a single character, from just dailies. Let alone the exp you get from killing the mobs for said dailies. It's pretty wild, can't wait for the change.

[@mleszyn]

@@Sacrix That sounds amazing! Thanks for the breakdown and source.

[@VeltinLycosta]

Next 250... Cant be worse than bishop right.... (Lets hope our guy doesnt regret)

[@kaesjh]

hello sacrix. love your effort, but do you have a blaze wizzard 250 guide video up yet? im interested in the class . thank you (;

[@yvelmence7661]

hi whats the name of the hair ur using?

[@Sacrix]

It's Tangerine hair.

[@oreoj7346]

i feel like saying a character was not designed with spawn enhancers in mind is a lil strange cus all characters come from kms (aside from a few including kanna who has the ONLY spawn enhancment ability) kms doesnt have spawn enhancers..? I just don’t think it’s a fair critique of a character. Kain does a perfectly fine job clearing on blue totem and frenzy is a luxury for most people. like owning one is not even an option lol

[@Sacrix]

Fair it is a strange comment so I'll explain a little. For reg servers. Frenzy is at a point where service is more profitable, than it is costly, so long as you actively loot drops. (Classes with 0% meso obtain can easily net 50-70m/h raw meso on Frenzy spawn, and service is 40m/h) So while training in Reg servers, the standard is Frenzied spawn. Ofc people train without spawn boosters, or with Wild totems. However, these videos are to demonstrate Reg server rotations and methods. So for the baseline, frenzy is a requirement. Were these to be specifically made for Reboot, my baseline would have been Kishin spawn speed or Wild Totem, as those are the standards of the server. Kain does perform better on lower spawn speeds, that's absolutely correct. Wild Totem / No spawn boosters, is the ideal way to play Kain without it becoming a frantic, hectic mess of ability spamming. However, for Reg servers, it would be disingenuous to ignore the problems the class has with the standard spawn boosting speed of the lands. Thus, 'Kain wasn't designed with spawn enhancers in mind'. He can handle some, just not the Reg Server average.

[@msghia5252]

I'm confused, I'm pretty sure the bonus xp only works if you're within 1 level of the enemy (-1, 0, 1).

[@Sacrix]

That's the new 20% bonus zone. Previously 10%. Now the the 10% bonus exp zone is +-2 and you get 20% for +-1. So the sweet spot for training is those 5 levels.

[@msghia5252]

@@Sacrix ohhh I see, cheers

[@WaffIin]

looking kaindathicc

[@MrRanderpy]

Grats !!

[@dertoastdieb9685]

Is using (and boosting) ALL your skills, even the 2nd job possession and execution skills (phantom blade/tearing knife/scatter shot) actually necessary? Everyone seems to say kains need to boost all 8 skills but I never use those 3

[@Sacrix]

The thing is, you should be using scattering shot, it's very useful for mobbing and an easy way to apply stacks for bossing, and since you cant replace the other skills on your trios, you kinda boost those two out of necessity. There are times where you would use them to clean up stacks on the boss, but generally it's not super vital.

[@kidze73]

hi, how does he compare to hayato? I main hayato but trying to find fun class to play to add to my legion.

[@Sacrix]

Hayato pretty must does it all. Good mobbing, good bossing, high mobility and survivability. However can get boring quick in my opinion. Kain has superb bossing, and only, average to slightly above average mobbing. However they have equal if not better mobility and survivability compared to Hayato. They were much more effort to play, but at the plus, it's actually engaging to play.

[@bb90flow]

Sacrix how is kain compared to bowmaster? I couldn't find your 200-250 of bowmaster to see its capabilities :(

[@Sacrix]

Having not played BM I can't really compare, but Kain personally isn't really amazing so long as manual possession is mandatory. However picking what you enjoy is best inn the long run, regardless of strength.

[@nene8840]

Can you recommend some high lvl map for zero farming nodestone?

[@Sacrix]

High level as in? 225 - Upper path 240 - FEoL 4 250 - No idea, LoS doesn't seem ideal for easy rotations. 255 - 1-5

[@PeachiiWubs]

Classic case of cool class but feels bad to play

[@blahblahgdp]

So does levelling to 250 just get way easier once u do that initial first character hard grind?

[@Sacrix]

I wouldn't say it got 'easy' until about my 7th. But yeah, it gets easier as it goes, once funding is done gear wise. It's mostly just putting boots on the ground and actually doing the grinding.

[@potatochip868]

what was ur favorite / easiest class to get to 250?

[@Sacrix]

Mechanic

[@KevsanFGC]

Asking for Corsair next owo

[@PhariseeYT]

its crazy cause i dont even have one 250 and i barely have 12 120s lmao , this dude over here w 30 250s lmaoooo

[@aura3571]

But where that Angelic Buster at tho?

[@Sacrix]

She's right there in the channel icon. :^)

[@aura3571]

@@Sacrix Good nuff.

[@BeIlows]

As a level 237 Kain main on reboot I would like to suggest another map rather than your cave option. I would say A. Between Frost and Thunder is SEVERELY underrated in terms of exp & brain dead farming and B. CLP is always a good brain dead option. What I found over time is that especially if i'm a few hours in to a training session and tired and/or watching a movie maps like LP1 or even LP2 are extremely inefficent when you're not absolutely clearing the maps. In that respect CLP is a much better choice because falling is a map clear, triple scatter is map clear, mob pull is map clear, hook + 3 flash jumps autoing through the air is map clear it's so brain dead. If you add lotus soul, agony, dragon 5th its just gg. Sorry for wall of text.

[@ahuman5383]

Can u do ark training

[@ageisfang8566]

I think I would rather have too many mobs than not enough mobs. Just my opinion

[@ahuman5383]

Whats ur union now

[@Sacrix]

9457

[@ahuman5383]

@@Sacrix omg, keep it up!

[@peteryoutube7972]

Kainda op huh 😏

[@12ayai]

❤️

[@Rick-ci5hj]

bro said gear.. nothing outlandishly good.. meanwhile has 9million range.. ok ..

[@iamcool544]

The edgiest character since Cadena

[@FrederickBorne]

Mercedes next? Pepega

[@ericab3919]

hes never gonna do merc Pepehands

[@aaronzhang2895]

Wowoweeewow

[@fujidomis]

This class sucks.

[@derwyn6937]

*kain pun

[@Chompvr]

Kain-da scuffed manual possession mode.