"Improvement" by BruhmasterL

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[@bruhmasterl2268]

I messed up. my main goal when making this video, was to try and make genetics seem less important with evidence and to just give some general advice, and it seems I certainly failed at either one or both. My idea for the genetics part was to "disprove the myth of genetics with science" but after reaction time and AR (which I guess doesn't even matter) I mostly just went of personal experience, and things I thought I heard top players say in the past, which sort of defeated the purpose of that entire part. then there the tapzx part, which really was meant to be about tapzx not tapx, but getting both of the example players wrong was so bad that it made it seem like I was talking about tapx or even just normal streams. I'll try to do better and I think at some point I'll make an "improvement revised" and hopefully that will fix it :)

[@akira7941]

I’m sure ur advice has already helped some players. I already shared it to my friends since I thought it was well made and had many good points, just as usual. Messing up a few things is not a crime. Always looking forward to seeing ur upcoming videos. Keep up the good work, both of u!

[@warguy6474]

@@Spazza17 Just want to clear stuff up docs.google.com/document/d/1uWRl7jBzXuUv8LJTIEwTQCD5-J_kfa4_V19j-ZMoWJQ/edit?usp=sharing

[@עומרטולדנו-ז4ה]

Told u u would blow up, i fucking love u and your content.

[@wcz2891]

But osu is pretty much pure genetics lol. For some people skill comes naturally to the game. For some it dont.

[@barnet2508]

i went "aw" when i read this, you seem so nice and genuine :')

[@puffonxe]

love how instead of making controversy, they just talk about their mistakes like normal adults

[@boc7104]

Weird, But true.

[@puffonxe]

@Teal cause people usually do back-and-forths that go no where. this was the right thing to do, but people usually don't follow it

[@Rkahklsnnsjskeek]

Or maybe all of the drama on youtube are just fake

[@dokiww]

It’s too late spazza I have already learnt tapzx because of my lack of genetics

[@pingwinner_]

Relatable XDXDXD

[@atssh7980]

azerty player

[@-fancychicken-2961]

Lmao

[@naphy]

BruhmasterL could be spitting straight lies and I would be still watching him...

[@puffonxe]

that relaxing voice is the end of us

[@naphy]

@@puffonxe I KNOW

[@massimotyxsu7657]

ARTIC ONKEYS

[@gowon11]

ah yes, onkeys

[@ethancannoy]

I love artic onkeys. Favorite band.

[@davidjarvis8574]

That's clearly *_ARCTIC DONKEYS_*

[@droid1008]

tar reatment

[@rezzor_]

osu improvement is uncharted territory and needs to be researched more. That's why I tend not to trust improvement videos or even pro players as their advice tends to be contradictory to other top players. It's seems that at this time no one has any concrete, evidence based way to improve or a reason why other players improve faster.

[@theonlybass8947]

*genetics*

[@Jeremy-bd7sk]

Scientists gotta hop on this

[@senbeiboi4511]

​@BestOfAnime that's what i think is the best way to describe genetics, just the speed in which the player improves. I don't get the "oh you don't have good genetics so you'll never be able to do X or Y"

[@バカロン]

Rezzor, but you can use their tips on improvement to see what works for you. Obviously same things don't work for everyone. Just gotta experiment

[@horsma2064]

@BestOfAnime It's called talent

[@TheYoungAchiever]

3:30 lower reaction time when you are young, not the other way around

[@TheYoungAchiever]

​@@Spazza17 e vabbè dai, è un video fatto bene e informativo lo stesso

[@g76agi]

really? i could swear that young people have, on average, higher reaction reaction time by up to 200ms (im considering young 8-18 and up to 200ms when against 60 year olds)

[@TheYoungAchiever]

@@g76agi there're a lot of information online that proves otherwise..

[@yahyagaming1659]

@@TheYoungAchiever reaction time decrease when you get older, it is about 50 ms difference between 18 and 60 year olds

[@duccline]

@@g76agi lower = better

[@nkz408]

When I see "improvement" I click

[@kevinroyfr]

Vaxie and WC are talented but it has nothing to do with genetics? Isn't it pretty much the same thing? You're born with something you have no control over. Not to disregard all the work vaxie and wc have put in at the game to improve as well.

[@islamborghini]

yeah i didn't really understand what he meant there either, i think most people consider genetics and talent the same thing (which i too do since i don't really see the difference)

[@necro8840]

It is the same thing indeed, talent or gift to do something is just your genes giving you natural advantage

[@suyasuya]

crazy how the yasen uses tapzx joke has landed this far

[@gronkh25]

A video on good warmup maps would be cool

[@goinkosu]

16:30 as a touchscreen and tap+x player i'm definitely in an extraneous minority, but i don't find that really applies to me. repetitive quints, 1/6 triples, 1/8 doubles etc can tire me out after long enough, but i find them less exhausting to play than constant streaming, especially as length increases.

[@dasrobotosu5372]

As a zx player, I also disagree with the opinion that bursts/triples are more tiring than long streams. More specifically, idke’s assertion that playing bursts is more effective for stamina. I think that the two are complementary and one is not “better” than the other. For example, a player could play only bursts and triples for a year and have significantly better performance on long streams versus a player who only played relax for a year (no experience with tapping). Obviously that’s an extreme example but in everyday circumstances there is some transfer from one skill set to the other. You will get better at maps more closely related to those which you play the most, so I think the answer in terms of being good at tapping is to play a variety of maps challenging tapping. Your array of tapping skills will bolster each other. Playing 16-note 190bpm bursts makes you slightly better at 8-note 200bpm bursts, which in turn enables you to practice those better. The 8-note bursts then feed a little into, say, 170bpm long streams. In reality I think there is more than one skill set that benefits from transfer from each skill set you practice, so it ends up looking like a “network” of improvement

[@rirk1111]

8:20, From my prospective, bruhmaster isn't accusing these players of having bad genetics and having to rely on the tapzx playstyle, but uses them as an example for an alternative playstyle to compensate a lack of speed. I think the assumption you took misrepresented what he was trying to say, or I could be wrong and you were right :). Either way i think it transitioned into a nice topic about how different playstyles comes with other difficulties. Anyways good video and great information!

[@andreaurru4990]

12:36 I get it that you really hate to relate things to genetics, but c'mon Spazza, talent is pretty much a synonym for genetics, if anything I'd say that talent is for the most part something that helps you improve faster and maybe at the very highest level makes your skill ceiling/cap higher.

[@ubermenschchan7671]

imagine if a bunch of sports scientists started to study this game. it'd crush all the garbage opinions coming from either the top players or the community in general

[@esimisola8321]

agree, there's too many of them

[@shadowcloud1994]

Splitting this in multiple parts because apparently KZbin doesn't allow comments **that** long. This turned from a basic summary into a master document Getting my bachelor's degree soon so I may as well give my input. I'm mostly doing my own thing in Osu after just getting back to the game after 6 years so I don't know exactly what the current community is like but I can address --some basic things that I think are important-- everything that I thought about for 2 hours. For the record, I'm not really great at osu and most of these things are theoretical. Keep in mind I'm from Germany so It's possible that I use different terms than native english speakers. On another note I highly highly recommend McOsu. The ability to tune maps to your liking is invaluable if you want to enjoy yourself while you practice Be warned this is a super long post *TL:DR: If you read nothing else then read this* - *You need specification.* All speeds of aim must be practiced. All patterns must be practiced. All streaming speeds must be practiced. Carry over is far smaller than you think. Death stream maps won't help you stream fast, streaming fast will. - *You need sleep.* Osu is a brain game (with the exception of streaming endurance) You can play for hours but you won't improve quickly if you don't sleep well. Sometimes I can't get these 5 misses out of a map Even after 10 or 20 attemps. Then I go to bed. Let my brain do the work and the day later I can FC it no problem. - *Use tools like McOsu.* - If you want to practice aim change around the CS and BPM - if you want to practice reading change around the BPM and AR - if you want to practice streaming change around the BPM and try autopilot (but sit in the same position) - *Go from easy to hard.* Don't just brute force it Adjust the settings so that you can play it to a certain degree. Then make it harder again. - *The slightest bit of change will mess with you.* It is probably the reason you sometimes feel inconsistent. Is your hand position always the same? What about your sitting position? Settings? Mousepad? All these things have a bigger influence than you think. Always keep it the same. I recommend paying extra attention to your hand position for both hands. - *If you want to practice higher Ar's* then first try simple maps on higher AR's. Decrease the CS and BPM if you need to. Patterns on higher AR look different than on lower AR. Keep in mind that all 10.3+ AR maps are basically dt maps. They have a high note density. So additionally you need to practice these maps but change the ar to Ar10 or less. - *Do not focus on whether you can pass or on combos.* The only reason it's in the game is because it gives you some kind of indicator of performance and thus makes it more fun. But really it has no business being in a rythm game. You can't fc the 6 minute map and that might seem like a flaw but ask yourself this instead: How many times in a row can you fc the 1 minute map? Concentration is a skill you need to have but not something you should focus on. Inability to play longer maps often just means you have a minor flaw somewhere. - *Focus on Accuracy per difficulty.* Getting high accuracy in a map is basically all that counts. Of course you need to compare the accuracy to the difficulty. If you can get 98% you can get the fc. If you can't, you have a flaw in your play somewhere so you need to figure out where it is. Maybe you are bad at a certain pattern? Maybe you have a hard time reading that part? Maybe that part of the rhythm catches you off guard every time? - *Overreach in difficulty.* You should play all difficulties that let you get over 65% accuracy. Personally I think around 80-95% accuracy on maps are the ones you should play the most. Some people say you should always play a map until you get over 95% or so and then move on but I disagree. If you are a top 1000 player then yeah that might be a good idea most of the time but you probably aren't - *Don't look down on farms maps.* They give the most PP per difficulty and really they should be practiced. DOn't spend all your time there, Just around 30% or so at least *Individual Practices:* *Streaming:* *Streaming speed is capped by your single tap speed.* You can't stream faster than that. That's why many people who purely alternate suck at streaming. Practicing a lot of singletapping will improve your streams over time. It's a very indirect approach though. Also make sure your hand position is the same as the one you use when streaming. *Whether you are a single tapper or you alternate you need to practice the motion for streaming anyway.* When it comes to anything you need specification to improve. Carry over is far smaller than you think it is. In fact it's a topic my professor studied in-depth and came to the conclusion that it hardly even exists. *Alternating at 180 bpm is the equivalent to single tapping 90 bpm. It's really quite slow. It doesn't train you to stream.* Not at all. *Don't bother practicing streaming with these super long pure deathstream maps.* That is just raising endurance. Like single tapping it will improve your speed, but your improvement will be quite slow. In addition you will quickly lose concentration. Think of concentration as something you expend and then recover *Practice for real streams.* You want to practice on maps with streams that you might actually see on real maps and there should be a lot of them. The important part is that there should always be short breaks between most streams (can range for just a second to ten). There isn't a term for it so let's just call it stream recovery for now. You want it to be high. Otherwise you will simply get exhausted after many streams of a high caliber. You can't stream at a (subjectively) high pace for a long time no matter how hard you practice. Like all other things you need to specifically train your muscles to do certain things. *Actually concentrate on the keys you press so that you can press them evenly. Go from doing it slowly to faster and faster until you can't properly hold a rhythm anymore.* Over and over. *The second thing is to extend your 3s 5s 7s and so on.* Almost anyone can do proper 3s and 5s at a high speed but practice getting just one more of these fast taps in. You will quickly get faster. Of course you will also quickly hit a limit but *it ingrains the motion you need quite fast.* As for genetics regarding streaming I'm actually not sure. My first though was that short fingers with short tendons would give you the best lever. But Upon thinking about it again I think it's actually the opposite in terms of finger size. With large fingers you would need more time to bend them completly but you only need to move a short distance so either larger hands would be better or it doesn't matter at all. Tendons should be far more important anyway but unfortunately that is very complicated to think about. Not only are there differences in streams themselves (bursts, short long, endurance) but tendon size directly correlates to muscle length as well. I really don't have a good answer here.

[@shadowcloud1994]

*Aim:* Now let's talk about aim. Remember when I talked about specification? Yeah this is where it gets worse. Way worse. *In reality there are many kinds of aim.* Some have names, some don't and it's quite difficult to define them in a way that applies to everybody while also being easy to understand. When it comes to reading that indirectly related to aim results wise it's even worse. And then there is tapping which can be hardly related or highly related depeding on which kind of aim we are talking about. And I don't even want to talk about how all of this relates to note density. So what kinds of aim are there. Let's divide them into some semi-arbitrary groups first. A small disclaimer first. *Think of these as archetypes, there is always a lot of mix up.* *Slow aim which means you can correct for an overshoot before even overshooting a note. Fast aim, which means you by the time you realize you overshoot you already did so but you can make adjustments quickly. Then there is snap aim where you simply press the note right when you (think) you hit it. There is no time for adjustments.* You can even go a bit further and define something like flow aim where you click notes without even stopping. In reality that's a special kind of slow or fast aim. I also have a hunch that in perfect gameplay it wouldn't exist. Rather it's quick fix to play something you should not be able to. At the very least I can tell from my own experience that as I get better I can go back to my older passes and suddenly I stop for each individual note. Now quick fixes might seem like a bad thing but they really aren't. Any skill that helps you pass is something you should learn. Now back to specification. *There is very little carry over.* It just seems like there is more than there should be. That is because when you aim fast for a note you should slow aim for you have more time to make adjustments. In addition everything about aim correlates to your familiarity with your dpi, which gets better over time. You need to practice these skills individually. If you get random misses all the time when you really shouldn't it's probably because your snap aim is much better than your fast aim. This tends to be especially bad for people who mostly play jump farm maps in the 5-6 star range. Now I won't go into reading maps just yet but I will say that while reading and aiming seem causally connected they really aren't. It's simply that you need to practice aim for patterns and you also need to practice reading for patterns. So they have a very high correlation. In addition no matter how good your aim is you won't hit notes if you can't read the pattern. *Now how do you practice aim?* First remember all I said about specification. *Slow aim is generally only useful with very high note density in short spaces. Basically flow aim* Something like the start of 'With a dance number'. These are the scenarios you should practice. *If you can't find a proper map you should find a map with a lot of (spaced) streams and turn down the speed or increase the CS.* *Fast aim is the most general aim that is used I think. Many farm maps need this kind of aim. Otherwise DT maps might do the trick.* You can always lower the AR if you can't read it. Increasing the CS of a map is particularly nasty but also extremely effective. Feedback is one of the most important aspect of practice and if you barely hit a note but get the 300 then you are not getting good feedback. It will make you realize how often you are off with your aim by a bit. *Snap aim is the most interesting case. Really the average osu player is better at it than they have any right to be.* The reason for this is naturally because they subconsciously practice it more than anything else. It's what drew many to the game in the first place. *For those already good at it just increase the cs or slightly increase the speed.* Choose maps with high note density but large spaces. For those not good at it choose the same maps but lower the CS at first. Get the motions and patterns down then increase the CS. However what you can't do is decrease the speed here. All that does is make you use fast aim instead of snap aim. *Now it goes without saying but you need to get good at patterns individually.* If there are patterns you are straight up bad at you can use generic square/circle/whatever jump maps. Otherwise just make sure to play a variety of maps. That variety extends to creators too. Do not just play 20 different Sotarks maps. *Reading:* This subject is actually quite nebulous. I don't know if there is any research about similar things it or how I would go about finding it. That said we can probably assume it's similar to sight reading notes for a musical instrument so it's not like we can't find a way to practice as long as we keep the differences in mind. As far as I'm aware there does seem to be a general skill for it. You get better at reading patters even if you haven't seen them before as long as your skill at reading increases. That said *patterns recognition is the most important skill and you do this by simple repetition.* However one note of caution. *If you can't read it after 3 times you just can't read it* and you won't get better by just doing it over and over again. In reality *you need to find the same (or very similar) pattern but in slower.* As you get used to it you will be able to read it even at faster speeds. This is where Osu differs from sightreading for piano. We can't just suddenly slow down the map and do that part over. Now, reading is the most passive skill you will develop for Osu. However you can still focus on it to a degree. What you need to do first is play lots of different maps. For the hard to explain *general skill of reading it is probably a combination of many different factors but my guess is you would get better at it faster if you played maps that have unconventional patterns. As for everything else you should play all kinds of popular maps. They tend to have the common patterns.* Another more specific thing you can do is abuse auto mode and change the bpm of the map. With auto mode you can actually recognize patterns you weren't able to clearly see. It's like a highlight marker that makes you realize where you went wrong. It's also the only time a highly obnoxious skin that distracts you might turn out useful. *Slowing the BPM is especially useful. If you can't read a pattern don't try over and over again. Go into the editor or change the bpm of the map, then look at it again.* Since everyone is interested in genetics I will also give my input. Of course it matters, and a lot at that. Forget about AR11, 50ms is even a really big deal when talking about AR 10.3. That said nobody is good at everything and until you get to the highest level you can always compensate. On another note talent and genetics aren't necessarily the same thing. Talent is partly genetic but partly something you develop when you are young. It comes from the action you take, the practice you do or the habits you have. The body itself is an example. Flexibility matters a lot in combat sports for example. Some people are just hyper flexible since they were born. Most are not. Flexibility is something you develop when you are young. Now if you take a 25 year old and he tries to do a split either he can or he can't. If he can only get halfway down I promise you no matter how hard he tries, even if he has 10 years he will never do a split. This took me probably 2 hours to type out. If you made it this far I can only say thank you and have a good practice. If you have any specific question you can just ask in the comment section, I will do my best to answer.

[@ubermenschchan7671]

@@shadowcloud1994 holy shit dude that's a paperwork and half. i appreciate the effort though. we need more osu!researchers

[@megaboy2811]

@@shadowcloud1994 So basically age matters for improvement speed? That was always my suspicions, especially when looking at the top players its obvious how they also always seem to be the youngest players. What do you think, till what age do we "develop" talent? I for myself noticed, that 3 years ago when I was 16 my improvement in osu! was rapid, one could say it was even top-player-pace. But now after a 3 year break I am 19 and while I am a bit better now after playing a lot, I still have trouble catching up to some of my old scores and my improvement isn't rapid anymore, actually it almost stopped. It kinda even makes me sad, knowing I will probably never have as much potential at improving again

[@choojunwyng8028]

BruhmasterL be like name : 10 content : 100

[@dt1-n2f]

4:43 I think what BruhMaster was saying is that if you can stream at a certain rate for a burst, you can *learn* to stream it for 5 minutes. In your case, the fact that you are physically able to stream 300 BPM bursts means that, with enough practice, you will be able to hit them more consistently and for longer. Other than that, I agree with pretty much everything you said in the video. Gj

[@muxmastermann666]

I mean Zestiny can burst like 400 bpm but only play longer streams around 280 bpm. So if there is such a huge gap in those two values for a top player, they might be related, but saying that one is just the perfection of the other is most likely wrong.

[@seanscott1308]

Well, thats not even true. Human fatigue is caused by a build of lactate and lack of oxygen in the muscles. Everyone can tap fast enough to start building lactate, but if you are tapping fast enough to build up lactate, you can only hold that speed for so long. As such, there will always be a difference between your burst and your stream speed. You cant make them equal as the human limit for each is different.

[@ninerik]

The cafe music in the background just ties the whole video together

[@nervz]

The hours of utube videos that I watch on osu improvement could've been hours used TO ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME AND IMPROVE.

[@chiffaonosu]

Just one thing to say - IMO, WhiteCat isn’t talented but hardworking. I can’t say anything about Vaxei or Tuna in his pre-prime times, but WhiteCat actually plays a lot and play smart. Also, his mindset does a lot for him

[@kodycore]

I think that's most if not all top players. I never get people blaming genetics for not putting the time to practice and get good.

[@InfinitePenguin]

Imagine typing Whitecat isn't talented

[@chiffaonosu]

InfinitePenguin Imagine thinking talent is everything in this game. As Bubbleman said, the only talent/genetics in this game is perfect pitch - ability to sing along

[@takaga2236]

takaga

[@reinful]

Takaga

[@omegand.]

you do realize genetics is talent?

[@siberianhusky6342]

Nice bait ngl

[@oromis2295]

Cool bait

[@smerexy]

spazza you're very articulate and i love your sexy italian accent

[@XOsiris95]

Bashes the use of the word genetics, explains Vaxei and white cat with "talent"...

[@ethancannoy]

Genetics are a tangible property. They can be directly measured and tested. Talent is intangible. Talent doesn't necessarily have anything to do with genetics. You could have a large amount of talent in a certain area because of the way you formed your brain as a child, which is not a genetic process. Or it could be that your other hobbies conveniently combine to create the right skillset for a certain area. Again, not genetic, just a process where everything falls into place to make something easier for you. Spazza isn't "bashing" the use of the word genetics exactly. He's talking about how BruhmasterL's use of the word is incorrect. BruhmasterL is talking about genetics like an intangible thing, when they are very much tangible. This means that anything you have to say about genetics should be backed by scientific research. BruhmasterL didn't cite any studies, or explain his own methods for coming to his conclusions about genetics. Maybe try doing your own studies into biology, specifically regarding genetics, and psychology, specifically regarding talent. Record your findings, and then come back and tell the whole osu community exactly how genetics and talent work, in relation to osu. Until you've done that... maybe don't post comments like this.

[@Stifie]

I feel that if you want to be talented at something you really have to dedicate yourself to it, there's no other way around it. If you check the top #50 ranking, you'll see by the play history that they put in the effort month in month out. They have 1k+ plays if not more every month. Osu is their main game and that's all they play. An average andy will play a bit of osu bit of csgo, league etc. However good genetics will make you understand and learn the game faster. That doesn't mean that if you're a slow learner you'll never get there. You can but it's gonna take longer than for a player who finds the game easier to understand. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that everyone can get as good as the top players but at a different rate. If you're dedicated and you find the game fun you'll make it. (That's just my take)

[@YSoAggressive]

6:13 this hits so hard for me. A couple years ago I was a single rapper but I began alternating so much that I basically had no stamina but really good finger control which helped with my tech ability. After my pc broke and I came back 2 years later I wanted to focus on increasing my single tap and now it’s the opposite. I single tap so much that my finger control is the worst it’s ever been and my tech isn’t as good but I can stream both faster and for longer which shows an increase in stamina so the point he made here is a perfect example of that

[@wcz2891]

Anyone could do what any human limits is capable off. Its just that it takes time and you may never even get to the point of your full potentional because again it will take time. Improvement is geneteics. Take as example alternating 300 bpm requires good control and rythm. For some players this skill comes more natural and faster. For some this may take a long time to get. Thats because genetics.

[@Juju20014]

improvement rate maybe but not determination, you could be improving really fast and get to a certain point and give up because you feel like you're not improving fast enough while the slower guy that is determined to keep going will get better even though he improves slower I think determination and passion is forgotten a lot of times, if you just keep raging at the same map because you can't pass it, that's maybe why you're not improving... if you don't have fun and only rage you're mainly getting tilted and pushing yourself at your "cap" until you can't keep going and rq for some time. Then when you come back you relearn and have fun again, you want to learn more and that's where your cap improves.

[@zurub]

people who come to the game and can click way faster than others were training well before they started playing the game in other tasks

[@dumteaa]

happy criticism in the osu! community where everyone gets along :) i like this

[@ruekreten]

where did the whole genetics thing even come from

[@lauder810]

The human body

[@damplamp]

organisms

[@ai-eo4dm]

science

[@ruekreten]

I should clarify that I am talking about genetics affecting osu! experience

[@ruekreten]

@Uboa Thescreamer have you considered not replying to a 2 month old comment

[@Brozeus]

Poggers

[@mvrrko]

when he said „95% of players improve slower“ i felt good, since i got my first 300pp in just half a year of playing, and am at rank 22900 rn :)

[@toast5443]

bruh what you on ive been playing for about a year and barely get 100 pp plays on good days

[@vegiemane]

@@toast5443 farmer

[@Yamisu]

I think the main issue when people try to improve, is that they try to improve in the way that other people have. Every person is different and one way of improving might not be your way of improving. Play more and Play smart are the 2 biggest advice when playing osu and trying to improve, but one thing that i don't think people touch on is to understand what your definition of play more and play smarter is. How can YOU play more, by adjusting and managing your time to play. Some people play 10 hours a day because they have that time, but maybe you can only play 2 hours a day. Their "play more" is different from YOUR "play more". How about playing smart? One person says that they get better at streaming by playing stamina heavy maps, another says playing high bpm DT maps, and someone else says playing long deathstreams. So you tried all of those out for a month each or so but NOTHING seemed to work. What went wrong? well maybe it's because that isn't what YOU are supposed to do. Find out what works for you by experimenting by yourself and constantly thinking of ways on how to play smarter. Playing smart is definitely a lot harder than playing more, and for good reason. You need to understand who you are as a person and try and find solutions for yourself. Yes watching videos or listening to others advice is a good thing, but if none of those work, don't blame your "genetics" or the person that gave you their advice. Instead, find out ways you yourself can improve by experimenting and experiencing different types of playstyles, postures, maps, equipment, and find whats right for YOU. Have you seen anyone in the top 10, top 50, top 100, or hell, even top 1000 have the same EXACT playstyle and top plays? No. So stop trying to just rely on others advice, and find what's right for YOU and YOU only. :)

[@mooshiros7053]

"Noone has improved at the rate of Whitecat or Vaxei" Mrekk says otherwise lmao

[@M0rg3nT]

Facts.

[@andraslaszlokiss8801]

egg pain

[@AyeNash727]

👁👄👁 I watched it yesterday

[@flowwy_]

5:54 so THAT'S WHY my stamina is so shit lmao

[@sentientbeing8738]

The word genetics should be banned in osu, every time I hear someone say that shit I want there freedom of speech revoked.

[@wave266]

6:16 oh my god, this is actually soo true, I alternate from the start of playing osu, and now I have shit stamina to stream and I'd say my finger control is good (currently trying to mix alternate and single tap) and my friend who single taps doesn't have good finger control and has stamina to stream

[@br4in554]

As a full alternator from the start of my playtime, I'm gonna have to say that this is nonsense. Based on observing random players in multi lobbies, the singletappers always have a harder time on any kind of streamy and bursty maps and always mention how their hand is dead after someone picked a stream map. While me, and most of the occasional alternators in the lobby are completely fine and ready to play even 10 more rounds of a stream heavy map. And I don't even think this is surprising, because it only makes sense that alternators are better at using 2 fingers to play, which includes their stamina while streaming. It could be because singletappers have all their stamina in just a single finger.

[@wave266]

@@br4in554 and streaming what bpm? And what rank were you in when you played that multi lobby Edit:And what I generally mean by my stamina is shit is that I can't stream 200+bpm that long (only like 15 notes), if it's playing streamy maps that's like 170-180bpm that's easy for me, my stamina won't run out unless I do 200bpm long streams and bursts, my statement is just based on how long I can stream at fast bpm

[@br4in554]

@@wave266 I'm mostly talking about the rank range of 100k - 300k. For me personally, at 180BPM even deathstreams are no problem (at least in terms of stamina). If you're higher rank and think this is irrelevant, then I would just say that for 5 digits and higher, a decent stamina should be a given, regardless of tapping style (unless they have an unbalanced skillset). But the majority of players are the 6 digits and you can rarely find a singletapper from this rank range who's going to have a better stamina (at any BPM) than a random alternator with roughly the same rank. If you're curious about my high BPM capabilities, just know that I can handle Freedom dive (only in terms of speed and stamina, though :D ) If you only have stamina problems only at 200+ BPM streams, then I wouldn't really say that your stamina is bad.

[@wave266]

@@br4in554 hmm if that, then of course majority of them will have a hard time in single tapping stamina, since they haven't adapted to fast bpms and fully take control of it, generally I'm an aim and a dt player, I can pass like insight, monsters, Necrofantasia dt, just that in terms of streaming, can't even pass the 6* Uta (redemption) lmao

[@br4in554]

@@wave266 I can't pass Uta because of the jumps :/

[@galleriet3185]

Many weird points yes

[@mollysandera991]

6:14 is that why i have trouble streaming even 140 bpm for longer than 5-20 seconds? However i am sure that my stamina used to be even worse in the past.....

[@lance6971]

Man 140bpm is so slow I can't even stream it... It is so slow I don't have the finger control because I also Started singletapping which really made me bad at full alternating and I just did Hybrid Alternating since I can singletap normally on both of my Fingers. Also Try to relax your fingers while streaming for less fingerlocking and try raising your hand for more stamina

[@バカロン]

Btw, why do you say being talented/improving faster than others isn't genetics? Sure, you can play 'smart', but if you make everyone play that way, even including other conditions like setups, people will still improve at different rates having different stronger aspects than others. Improvement speed is individual for everyone just like genetics, no? What's the difference in your view?

[@zurub]

i hate when it's called talent

[@JuTakii]

@@zurub what should it be called instead

[@バカロン]

I like how he said high level speed player and then showed a 200 bpm stream map as an example

[@cruss7392]

i do still believe bruhmaster is right, you keep saying how there is no proof that genetics play a big part of your skills, then you 20 sec later start talkin about how much or little it matters as if it was a fact. You can't deny another person by saying he has no proof and then proceed to talk about everything without having any proof yourself and only speaking out of your own experience, it just doesn't make sense. Plus, genetics is much more important than you might think, There have been multiple studies that show that the speed you can move your hand/fingers and the improvement rate is very dependant on genetics. This includes single tapping and streaming speed. This is like saying anyone can become a pro bodybuilder because everyone can workout right? Which is obv wrong since more than 70% is just genetics. And you seem to also say that talent has nothing to do with genetics which is very wrong, good genetics creates good talent and good talent is dependant on good genetics. From a scientific viewpoint you have absolutely no idea of what ur talking about but then again you have most likely played a lot more osu than me. But since you said, there is no proof of anything, you shouldn't talk as if you know exactly what to do and exactly what is right and wrong.

[@wifishark]

Btw the emilia playstyle is also hard cuz u have low stamina.. People who Start playing tapZX just dosent train the left Hand as normal players

[@Juju20014]

improvement rate may be related to genetics but not determination, you could be improving really fast and get to a certain point and give up because you feel like you're not improving fast enough while the slower guy that is determined to keep going will get better even though he improves slower I think determination and passion is forgotten a lot of times, if you just keep raging at the same map because you can't pass it, that's maybe why you're not improving... if you don't have fun and only rage you're mainly getting tilted and pushing yourself at your "cap" until you can't keep going and rq for some time. Then when you come back you relearn and have fun again, you want to learn more and that's where your cap improves.

[@kal3l332]

Can someone link me more of those "awkward"(like that chaoz fantasy one) maps cus i want to play them.

[@trylockon]

Mappers with awkward patterns imo are: ktgstr, grumd, bluedragon(mismagius) and djpop. Hope that helps.

[@trylockon]

Also you can try Trance Dance Anarcky (yes, anarcky) sets. Pretty fun, but it's more of crazy tiring jumps mapset.(Not big jumps, just very tiring)

[@Michael-im1tr]

A lot of old maps tend to use a lot of circles as well

[@lunarderpz]

@@trylockon do you have a link? sorry I'm 3 months late

[@trylockon]

@@lunarderpz ktgster: osu.ppy.sh/users/53378, mismagius: osu.ppy.sh/users/19048, djpop: osu.ppy.sh/users/2363, trance dance anarcky mapsets: osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/1056140#osu/2207263 and osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/1124084#osu/2348869. You can find maps in the beatmaps section in profiles. You can also check out -eiri's profile, they have some pretty weird maps besides trande dance anarcky.

[@taikaherra8937]

Yes

[@feliceclefie8450]

I'm fucking pissed with people who thought genetics were the most important part for your osu skill As the osu anonymous says, your osu skill is based on your improvement not the perfect sperm and eggs from your parents

[@Foooo1]

What about different muscle fibres such as type 1 and type 2 which is highly genetics, which will determine how fast you are able to transfer neurotransmitter to your arm

[@raikoferrer8054]

*ha ha I go weeeeeeee*

[@TheCerbron]

It's not about genetics is about experience with other games

[@xexun0010]

I can't be the only person that's a bit confused after watching both videos right?

[@snorkel1068]

We hear him disprove points by say “where did that come from” then throws out points he has come up with himself.

[@e1ki]

theyre not solely his points though, im sure u could ask many of the top speed players if genes play a role in their success and realize that spazza's points can be backed up with more evidence than the ones in bruhmaster's video (especially during the speed/stamina part)

[@e1ki]

@Uboa Thescreamer "i feel genetics played a role in my singletapping stamina" is not evidence

[@e1ki]

Uboa Thescreamer thats not my point at all, genes exist but arent as influential to osu success as bruhmaster thinks

[@e1ki]

Uboa Thescreamer i dont think writing an essay about genetics is relevant at all

[@e1ki]

Uboa Thescreamer it seems like ur really bitter about a lack of improvement and blaming it on bad genetics LOL

[@diobrando5749]

La genetica è importante, ma fino ad un certo punto. P.S. l'accento ita si nota tantissimo

[@jobelosu]

"awkward" patterns with a lot of doubles, tripples and burst streams require much less stamina than long streams imo

[@sophisticatedfrog5737]

I guess it depends on bpm because on higher bpm awkward patterns definetly require a lot more stamina. Like there are a few dozens of players who can stream 270-280 bpm streams but when we talk about finger control there's literally 4 people that are actually able to fc 270-280 bpm finger control maps: merami, ryuk, gayz and redpixel.

[@gyro1269]

9:25 isnt there a guy called wario who did it or something

[@nuehoujuu6085]

wario did not use the tap-x/tap-zx playstyle. Instead he used 3 keyboard keys (by binding a third key to z/x). Basically he is using his index, middle and ring fingers to stream.

[@jaisadasfvzabhzhbsxdfgsz5513]

He used a program to bind a third key to osu i think

[@bolt-strikes]

He used a macro to bind a third key to one of the keys he uses. It literally says in the rules macros are bannable and I really do not get why he isn’t banned.

[@connerhagerman2470]

Jaisadasfvzab hzhbsxdfgsz arent macros banned though?

[@bolt-strikes]

Conner Hagerman yep but for some reason peppy was like yeah this is fine.

[@razvan7355]

Rrrecommending his video left and Rright because of the youtube algorrrrrithm . Jkjk nice vid

[@r4il489]

Arctic Monkeys fsn? Holy shit that's a sub right there

[@prodigyhimself9986]

Well some players are able to stream 160bpm right when they start playing osu and for example I couldn’t stream 130bpm when I started playing so I think genetics can help a bit... Same as some people clicking with their right hand on mouse, some people get only 5-7clicks per second only while some people pick up the mouse and immediately know how to click 10 clicks per second (with normal clicking - I am not talking about wierd clicking methods like jitterclick or butterfly click). I think everyone can learn to stream fast but some people do have it a bit easier than the others. JUST MY OPINION

[@davidjarvis8574]

This is what happens when we all keep forcing people to go beyond the usual *_play more_* advice. :D

[@ralleosu]

Streaming speed has a lot to do with genetics (yes I know, you can practice to becoming faster) but me and my friend started at basically the same time, and after a couple of months, he was able to stream 250-260 bpm, while I couldn’t even stream 180 for 10 seconds.

[@tree427]

Is that genetics though?

[@ralleosu]

@@tree427 yes

[@aytrka]

@@ralleosu oh yeah? did you play the same maps? do you have the same playcount and the same playtime as your friend?

[@ralleosu]

@@aytrka almost identical playcount and playtime, and yes we often play multiplayer

[@rickyperales3377]

@@ralleosu he has a better technique then

[@Kaguyaaa_x_x]

I love your accent hahaha

[@ksweew7476]

17:05 why would mcosu be less good ? what really makes the difference

[@cappyo]

Your accent is very strange, are you from Italy? In quel caso saluti dal sud Sicilia

[@noooeeem]

Can someone say what switch should i choose for Ducky one 2 mini for osu?

[@TheYoungAchiever]

reds are the way

[@TheYoungAchiever]

or mx speed switch

[@RalakFrozenDeath]

Do not buy that keyboard, it has a huge key rattling problem.

[@TheYoungAchiever]

@@RalakFrozenDeath thats why people mod keyboards..

[@noooeeem]

im gonna buy prox with cherry mx reds

[@aaaaaa-py6sg]

bacon

[@vepply]

How does single tapping take less stamina from my experience it takes way more

[@-barndon]

I think these videos both accomplish the same thing and have the same goal of disproving idea that genetics can affect your ability to become a top player so in the end, I’m not sure why it matters that he messed up considering the point still stands. I was born blind in one eye and I’m still clicking circles, the point of what you’re both talking about from what I gathered was that genetics have no affect on you ability to play and become top tier.

[@badacconosu]

Thonk

[@bedigns]

Are you recording the video in your bathroom? Just askin

[@nickyluck]

Just play the game and you will improve on your own

[@jati5044]

Spazza can you help me? My pentab is not working and i want to quit, but i cant. So i try become a mouse player. Can you tell me how to be better at mouse?!

[@droid1008]

spazza really be out here giving a based take and being repectful when disagreeing.

[@Hani-ni3ij]

Theres no such thing as talent, Vaxei and Whitecat are insane in improviment rate because of how hard they work, how they practice, and how much they do. There's no such thing as being talented to click on circles, and that same thing will go with everything on life, practice is all that matters.

[@FdPros]

to some extend i disagree but im too lazy to elaborate so have a nice day lmao

[@mollysandera991]

I thought Whitecat played for a pretty long time, not as long as shige but at least playing for 4-6 years(dunno exactly), but banned in that time. So Whitecat isn't one of these people who improved as fast as Vaxei, but rather became very dedicated even when the community was lashing onto him

[@mollysandera991]

@Uboa Thescreamer I do. So far, i am lagging a bit behind, but hopefully i can find a breakthrough soon

[@Hani-ni3ij]

Not everyone has time to play everyday, its not that simple. its fine if you disagree, this is just what i think have a nice day too lmao !!!

[@mollysandera991]

@@Hani-ni3ij me neither

[@clen9329]

Just play trending maps...

[@britzKgaming]

I think if its genetics, new players should reach 5digit in 1 week 🤔🤔🤔

[@BladeMK]

Well you need to learn how the game works aswell

[@snooowy1634]

there can only be 10 000 5 digits at a given moment in time

[@BladeMK]

@@snooowy1634 what you mean 4 digits?

[@banana_]

is it just me or the average osu content creator is really good?

[@harry2206]

i was wondering then what does ‘talent’ mean does it mean genetics or luck or just being able to do something extremely well but why would that happen?

[@descai10]

My issue with your video is that while it's true bruhmasterL has no proof genetics plays a big role, you also didn't provide much proof that genetics don't play a big role. Another issue is that you said good players are good because of talent, when a great deal of talent is decided genetically. I think you underestimate how big a role genetics plays in both physical and mental attributes.

[@limlim9900]

Genetics don't exist, this word is just an excuse for how bad someone is in the moment or the session. If you think genetics exist I'll give you a moment to think about it (...) this game is all about practice and practice. Just enjoy the game and you'll improve time by time

[@バカロン]

>I'll give you a moment to think about it That's too naive. It won't achieve anything. Realization comes with experience, not just "I thought about this for a minute and realized how everything is". Or how can you think about it and come to the right conclusion when you don't have the knowledge either? Often even with arguments you can't one's mind on this. Trust me, I tried. I disagree with your very last sentence. Not that it is completely wrong, but in some cases IT IS wrong. For example, look at me: I enjoy the game, I play what I truly enjoy, but I don't improve, because I play it wrong. I almost never practice *what I need or how I need to practice* to improve, because I simply don't enjoy the game that way. You have to play the game right which is literally your preference and if your preference is close to how you should play (definitely not playing *only* maps you can't even pass with an A), then you're lucky, I guess. I think that's common and the way I play is uncommon though.

[@limlim9900]

@@バカロン im playing this game for 6.5 years now and 2.5 of them actively DT and speed and I can tell you I never had any speed genetics but still go brrrraa through every map. Plus I think in the competitive way, If you don't want to pish your limits or anything and just enjoying the game casually thenyou can't understand

[@バカロン]

​@@limlim9900, I wasn't trying to disprove the genetics thing in the first place, please reread. In fact, I could only prove it with my experience.

[@limlim9900]

​@@バカロン If you don't want to improve you just can't say it's to "naive" or you "idsagree" either i have "no knowledge". If you having fun the way you play (casually), if this is your experience of "Improve" ..idk what to say about this

[@kodycore]

@limlim 100% agree with you.

[@comicsans8278]

Can u make a vid about consistency?

[@toduko]

tbh the point he made about speed and stamina is stupid. there is a physical limit to how fast you can stream so if you reach the speed limit for small bursts it's impossible to stream that bpm consistently

[@Porururidimu]

Genetics matter in most sports so why shouldn't they matter in osu?

[@kennzohomme]

HELLOO POG

[@eyesneveropen-meow-5125]

😳

[@kennzohomme]

eyesneveropen -meow- 👀

[@dessertlimbo]

kennzo homme 👁👁

[@MichaelEhrmantraut12]

Will this be the first time two osu youtubers have beef? 😮😮😮

[@fustyk2829]

no

[@Kaofie]

they're not even having beef there's like a whole minute at the end adressing this lmao

[@ghoto_777]

Probably not lol

[@camellia_aim]

Help non capisco ste maledette spaced stream

[@edherman7652]

What is the difference between talent and genetic?

[@soapboi5420]

Talent is mostly improving faster

[@atenbobi]

Talent is the ingrained intuition for learning you have gained throughout your life. Genetics are hard-coded limits for how far you can progress. Cognitive-related functions may also improve talent, though how you grow up seems to be the more important factor in regards to fast learning (outside of exceptional cases, ie; savantism.)

[@airmanxd5020]

I don't know how you can say that talent isn't geneitcs. It literally is. There is absolutely nothing else that determines talent other than genetics. Other than that great point on the alt vs singletap skill requirement this one was really on point with what i and a lot of my friends have experienced in the game

[@zurub]

talent is a cop-out

[@esperanzo4357]

What does talent come from if not genetics ???

[@zurub]

your brain

[@zurub]

@Uboa Thescreamer how smart you are isn't determined by your genetics

[@zurub]

​@Uboa Thescreamer There literally is evidence if you knew how to do proper research. Just because you're garbage at the game and don't understand how to improve doesn't mean genetics are what make you good. People who understand that are the people who are improving.

[@TaveZgg]

@Uboa Thescreamer genetics will affect everything and everyone who is human, however when it comes to genetics on a larger scale ie: intelligence, stamina, etc. The difference between average people, is extremely minute. If an excellent and talented musician, Athlete, or osu! Player doesn't put in the time to practice, they will not be as good as an average player who practices. Genetics do not determine the skill of a person, and that's what the other guy was trying to say, though more jokingly mind you, yet it seems you can't take a joke, nor make one either

[@TaveZgg]

@Uboa Thescreamer also he never stated that being smart makes you good at osu lol, he said genetics doesn't make you good at osu. Genetics does not equal intelligence. Intelligence does not equal genetics, that's not factual, you are wrong to assume that's what he meant

[@itssneax8894]

your tablet?

[@kennzohomme]

I believe spazza using xp pen g640

[@fgjbvujcx5614]

I'm early

[@paty4042]

Im confused. Aren't talents basically genetics? What exactly are genetics in osu terms?

[@aldenkaiser248]

talents aren't necessarily genetics unless its being double jouinted or something