Which Version of Outrun 2 is The Best - PART 2: Postscript and Addendums

[@MrThunderwing]

*So, I've made a nearly 3 hour Outrun series retro review video, looking at all the home ports and sequels, complete with some special guest stars! You can see it here:* kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmSkYZV9d7GKd8k If you enjoyed my look back at this series, why not check out my thoughts on *Sonic & All-Star Racing Transformed* - one of my favourite games of the last 10 years kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZu1ipZ9atd7aM0 One thing I forgot to mention, when comparing the different version of the games together is that the frame rate in the PC version can randomly go berserk and for a few seconds it feels like the game is running too fast. You can see it happening around 11:26 mark, which is why I keep crashing into things... Another thing I noticed, which I didn't mention in the video, is that SPDX, despite all the working bloom, is actually missing some lens flare effects. You can see what I'm talking about at 08:44 where (ironically) you can see it occurring in the PC version on the right, but not SPDX. Also, here's the link to my original 'Which Version of Outrun 2 is the Best?' video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKHZioV4mceNl80 Oh, and derp, as SG6000 mentioned in the comments below, the Sega Ages line started life on the Saturn, not the PS2 as I stated towards the end of the video. I should bloody know this as I've GOT the Saturn PAL Sega AGES compilation kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHuTZWloi56Wl9E

[@battosaijenkins946]

@MrThunderwing, hey man great video saw both the part 1and this one! I guess I gotta try out the parrot version and the coast 2 coast with all the mods and find out which one is best. I love this game and there was another youtube channel where this guy was filming 4 arcade cabinets with full size cars and someone mentioned they only made like 4 of those entirely? And theyre worth 80 thousand freakin dollars so pc with a steering wheel will be the closest i can ever get =(

[@MrThunderwing]

@@battosaijenkins946 Thanks! (KZbin seems to be not informing me when people have replied to me. I only saw this by chance).

[@Imgema]

You can lock the frame rate of PC Outrun with RTSS.

[@MrThunderwing]

@@Imgema Oh man, I've only just seen this comment. RTSS, OK, cool I'll check it out.

[@wordsshackles441]

I don't know if you have low IQ, but labeling the versions you are comparing is actually needed. I say low IQ because you obviously put a lot of effort into this.

[@killscreens]

Great video, one of the best racing games ever. we need outrun 3

[@kailomonkey]

We've entered the age of corporate shells of sequels so may be better left as it is. But can always hope for the best.

[@Shy_Abi]

I will be happy if I need 2 credits to play 15 continuous course Just let me play it in the arcade and I'll be happy

[@ScottErosLegend]

As someone who suffers sever depression missing out on the Xbox 360 Online Arcade version download due to the Ferrari expiration, thanks so much for this video!!! Will check out this awesome PC version

[@heathers6508]

same here

[@MadsterV]

"In in this dystopian future setting of 2019" oh boy, you were so young and naive That said, after playing the 3DS version of outrun, I kinda want to see that emulated in VR. Thanks for all the info! I wish SEGA would just change the licenced cars to fantasy designs and bring this jewel back to digital stores.

[@vram1974]

Hard to believe they pulled these gfx off early 00's. This, Planet Harriers, Daytona, and Afterburner Climax need a new Sega Ages release on GOG/Steam! Also Scud Race!!!

[@RogeriusRex]

The scud race tracks are in Daytona 2001 for Dreamcast.

[@vram1974]

@@RogeriusRex Figured I'd remember something like that. Unlockable I assume?

[@Fattydeposit]

Another totally badass video sir. Thank you. Pretty sure the 'Sega Ages' brand of reissues originated on the Saturn rather than PS2 though (that version of Out Run might have been considered the best until the 3DS version came along)..

[@MrThunderwing]

Gaaah, you're right. I ought to bloody know this as I've got the EU Saturn Sega Ages disc too. Arse. I guess I could sort of get around it by suggesting that the Sega Ages *2500* line originated on the PS2... no?

[@Fattydeposit]

@@MrThunderwing Sure you could. It's all good. Thanks again for putting in so much. I can't imagine how long it took to put it all together. The quality is seriously staggering.

[@HowardAnthC]

Nice video as always. I didn't realize that the sega ages version on the switch added new stuff.... I might have to grab that in addition to getting those extra songs mentioned for fxt. ;-) An updated version of fxt will be released....eventually.... that will integrate the custom course app so that created stages can be swapped on the fly along with a few more interesting features.

[@MrThunderwing]

Thanks Howard, glad you liked it. I was thinking of swapping out some of the Sega Ages Switch tunes in my Outrun 2 music folder, for some of the stuff I never ever listen to.

[@duckfield2520]

It is crazy how good this game still looks.

[@luichinplaystation610]

In part 1: "he didn't talk about the Tuned Time Attack cars" You covered everything here and just seeing the traffic cars models at HD is sublime

[@FoxBox72]

Watching this, and keeping OutRun 2 alive, now in 2021 ! Still living in hope of an OutRun 3. Great video, thanks again 👍

[@MrThunderwing]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@noneed4me2n7]

I have the Chihiro version on a TSOPed OG Xbox with the 128mb ram upgrade. Plays beautifully on a big flat screen through monster component cables and hdmi converter and Mclassic with no noticeable lag to me.

[@MrThunderwing]

Nice!

[@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung]

Picked up Outrun 2 on Xbox and and going for Outrun 2 Coast to Coast later on too. Love these games, to this day, Forza, Gran turismo, nothing except a handful of Need For Speed games have come close to this series.

[@stefanssmellsvictory105]

Great video! This and the previous Outrun vids are the first of yours I`ve seen, but I have bookmarked your channel and will certainly be watching more of your Sega racing related videos for sure!

[@MrThunderwing]

Welcome aboard!

[@kdkseven]

Excellent videos! So much information and so thorough. But i wish you would put labels for which version is on screen, especially when multiple version are on screen at once.

[@MrThunderwing]

Thanks. I'm kind of confused by this comment though because _I did label_ which version was which throughout the video, so I don't get why you think I didn't? In the four way split screen at 03:45 I put icons on screen showing which version is which - that screen position doesn't change when they show again - I even used different colour cars in each one to make it obvious. At 06:26 and 08:09 I put icons on screen showing which version is which. If there's a bit without an icon on screen, it should normally be obvious which version it is, because I'll be talking about it at the time - like when I mention the clouds obscuring the background in Outrun Online Arcade, the Sun being too bright in SPDX in Teknoparrot or the flames being missing from the PC port.

[@ekimb73]

great job! this video took me back i miss old-school saga games and music

[@mmpsp693]

Great videos on a great video game. I'm actually playing my PS2 copy at the moment (because of CRT), but sure looks like modding my Steam copy and arcade emulation is on my to do list.

[@James-tk2yl]

Worth mentioning that SPDX is only really worth setting up if you have a wheel, as the gamepad support is poor.

[@MrThunderwing]

I don't think so myself. I've played it with both a wheel and an Xbox 360 pad and I think the pad feels fine - no different to playing one of the console versions.

[@stefanssmellsvictory105]

7:37 - volcano is erupting, maybe we should all get the f out of here? Nah, let{s continue applauding the ferrari driver.

[@gazarnott]

Yet another totally awesome butt clenching video Al and I loved every minute of it! Great to see someone who loves the game as much as I do going into such great detail about the game. I hadn't noticed the missing effects that you mentioned in SPDX like the missing smoke and the exhaust flames so it's given me another excuse now to fire it up to have a looksie! These missing effects must be due to emulation as I'm going to assume that those effects must have been present in the original Lindbergh arcade version? As for me well SPDX is definately my favourite version of the game as I'm a purist and after all it was made by the legend that is Yu Suzuki. I like the PC port by Sumo Digital a great deal but I have to go with the SPDX as I just want to play the game as the author originally intended and the PC mods sadly don't get me all that excited though they are great to have. Like you said at the end of the video I really hope you get a reason to expand on this video again some time in the future as I never tire of seeing footage of the game and all the comparisons. Sincere thanks my friend, that was 26 minues extremely well spent :)

[@MrThunderwing]

Glad you liked it Gaz my man. Like you said, I'm sure the missing effects are a byproduct of the emulation (like the too bright Sun in places) and were present in the arcade original. I live in hope that some sort of Outrun game will eventually get the VR treatment one day...

[@Noobsaibot21]

Just in relation to the OR cars (or Turbo nutters as you call them), I have done a breakdown of the speed and handling differences on the SRC forums as the in game stats/performance bar charts are totally incorrect: www.speedrun.com/outrun_2006_coast_2_coast/thread/t54m7 I have always hated the OR cars and they just totally break the game. Hence why nobody during the games hey day ever used them for any serious time attacking. So anyway - there was a 17 year gap between the Original Outrun and Outrun 2. And (at the time of writing) we are now approaching 17 years since Outrun 2. With Shenmue 3 wrapped up and due out in just a few weeks, how about Suzuki and Sega team up in 2020 just one last time....? 🙏

[@MrThunderwing]

Ooooh, we can but dream. Nice breakdown of the different cars, I'll add your link to the video description.

[@SuperSealMan777]

Just discovered your channel, gotta say I'm loving what I'm seeing so far. Glad to see there's other people out there that care way to much about this incredible game. I gotta ask, the insane remixes of all the tracks that starts at 5:20, what is that from? I've never heard it before and it sounds insane holy fuck.

[@MrThunderwing]

It's called 'Racers Megamix' and it's from the Switch version of Outrun 3D AGES and yes, it's totally bitchin'.

[@SuperSealMan777]

@@MrThunderwing Much appreciated dude.

[@davieslm]

Great video and Happy New Year! Does the PC version still stand as the definitive version in 2022 and has been any major developments?

[@MrThunderwing]

Happy New Year to you too! No real changes since I made this, as far as I'm aware, probably the biggest thing is that the Chihiro Outrun 2 Beta plays even better still using CXBXR now, it's actually looking really quite good now: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGa7fYyqhqZlmq8 I'd say it's probably a tie between the PC version and SPDX in Teknoparrot. I've been having a few issues with the frame rate in the PC game seeming like it's going to fast for a split-second or two sometimes (normally just long enough to make me crash) which apparently can be a problem due to the Howard mods. The TP version is silky smooth and lovely. PC version still has all the great extra content though, especially with the mods and the course editor is awesome.

[@davieslm]

@@MrThunderwing I now have both TP and PC version and they just have a few minor short-comings. Just would really like the sun and smoke to fixed on TP and the HUD and exhaust fire fixed on the PC version. i will check out your video on CXBXR. I am going to get out my 360 and see what OuRun 2 OG Xbox disc looks like on it as it wont play on my One X or Series X.

[@smthngbd]

that girl in the intro has good taste for running right towards the enzo instead of the guy.

[@nattila7713]

thanks god I am now subscribed :D almost fall asleep but a last check of my subs and... wow! thank you!

[@MrThunderwing]

No worries!

[@SteveBrandon]

Have you heard the rumors about Microsoft potentially buying Sega Sammy/Atlus? As a decades-long Sega fan, I have some serious misgivings about this idea but, on the other hand, it would greatly facilitate a proper new release of OutRun 2/SP/2006/Live Arcade as Microsoft already has a master Ferrari license via Forza's Turn 10 (which is why some multiplatform racing games like Test Drive Unlimited and Need For Speed: Shift (via DLC) used to only have Ferrari on XBox 360 as, from what I understand, getting a Ferrari sublicense through Turn 10 was much cheaper than just buying a license directly from Ferrari).

[@MrThunderwing]

I've heard the rumours... I think modern Sega is a shadow of the game's giant I loved in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's, so if a cash infusion from Microsoft gets them back on track, especially if it means a new Outrun, I'd be all for it.

[@RetroArcadeGuy]

One thing I got to complain about OutRun 2 is... unexistant physics. There are corner and places for good jumps, but the cars are glued to the ground by an unknown force!

[@MrThunderwing]

I got no issue with that myself. Jumping was never a thing in the original Outrun or games like Daytona.

[@GUCFan]

You mentioned Race TV in the video and well, the passwords that the game generates? They work whether the game's running on TeknoParrot or real hardware, i put a password on TeknoParrot that had been generated on a real Lindbergh and the password worked. Likewise while i was diagnosing a Lindbergh the other day, i took the password that Race TV generated while running in TeknoParrot and the Lindbergh took the password like a champ and allowed me to continue my progress.

[@TechRyze]

I haven't spent even a second of time looking into Original Xbox emulation, but the Xbox is a Pentium III 733, 64MB RAM and an Nvidia card of its day. It should be the EASIEST console in history to emulate on a PC. The games are like DirectX 8 or something similar. At some point, I'll go and have a look...

[@MrThunderwing]

Read this post: www.neogaf.com/threads/will-the-ps4s-x86-supercharged-pc-architecture-be-easy-to-emulate.515078/#post-48088464

[@TechRyze]

MrThunderwing Excellent link, pal. I wonder if a different approach would work, and actually running the games on a modern PC / DirectX instead of precisely emulating that GPU and CPU would gain quicker results? I'll have to have an in depth look at this stuff at some point, because it looks like Microsoft designed the Xbox in such a way that this ISN'T easy to do. Still... I'll investigate

[@garogercade7850]

Great video!

[@TheRetroMartin]

A bit hippocritical of me given I disliked Outrun as a kid, I really do think the MD port is hated more than it deserves. It's music was mint and despite the lack of engine noise it was still a very good game and played great and the music was amazing. Nice to see some new ports of the game mate (I promise I won't comment on ALL of your back catalogue 😂)

[@MrThunderwing]

No, no mate, comment away! It's great to get positive feedback and know that these videos are being engaged with. I've definitely come around to the Megadrive version of OutRun. I still think the PC Engine version is the best looking game from the 8 - 16 bit era though.

[@andrewbutler9533]

Another great video!! 👍😎

[@HunterTinsley]

11:06 Well said!

[@heathers6508]

i really want those daytona 2 and scud race levels

[@philosoaper]

I guess I now need to .. acquire.. all of these.. that I don't have.. sign..

[@tafarimakonnan1763]

I am still waiting for outrun 2 spdx to be playable on amd graphics cards.

[@user-bp5py6bh3g]

Great video, thanks!

[@phrasheekwerk354]

And i thought choosing a linux distribution was tricky

[@amirprog]

How do we enable that missing graphical effect in outrun 2006 coast to coast pc version?

[@MrThunderwing]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZnMe5-Or91rZpY

[@mrturbo757]

Can you please provide a download link for this PC game because you can't buy a new anymore and I cannot find any information whatsoever on the internet about it... only info on the coast to coast PC variant not the DX version that Superior like you mentioned in your video! Please help! 🙏🙏🙏

[@PSXMicha]

I just downloaded the rom and Teknoparrot, but how can I change the resolution?

[@MrThunderwing]

I used a resolution patch. It's been such a long time since I first got it working though I honestly couldn't tell you how to go about using it, I think it was just a modified version of the Lindbergh's version of an EXE file (called an Elf file IIRC) that you download and launch the game from instead of the standard one. Wherever you got the game from, you'll probably be able to find something there.

[@mmpsp693]

Hey T, did you check out the new fan patches for C2C?

[@MrThunderwing]

@@mmpsp693 I wasn't aware of any, but weirdly someone on Twitter sent me a link to some today.

[@mmpsp693]

@@MrThunderwing seems like many of the issues are being actively fixed!

[@ShinobiShowdown]

Teknoparrot is awesome!

[@kailomonkey]

So you could put the same stage in a row but switching to reversed then mirrored then mirrored reversed and back round to normal? Almost x4 to make 15 tracks? I would definitely do that lol Ah yea I have the megadrive outrun colour hack. Ahe the SEGA AGES version plays nicely but if only the car didn't take up most the screen. Dystopian future setting of October 2019? That was just before the dystopia really hit!

[@MrThunderwing]

Ha! I hadn't realised how prophetic I was being back then. There's no mirror mode unfortunately, just reverse.

[@kailomonkey]

@@MrThunderwing That's me back and forth on the same stage 15 times then lol.

[@lucasmunerati5928]

I like ferrari and a lot of others cars

[@ark9515]

I was hoping you'd update your "best outrun 2 version" video someday. The day has come! By the way what's the name of the drum 'n' bass track after your nickname shows up?

[@MrThunderwing]

It's actually something I composed myself using FL Studio. I'm a massive DnB fan.

[@ark9515]

@@MrThunderwing Ah Fruity loops....good old days. However Do you think SPDX trumps Outrun Online visually in most aspects?

[@MrThunderwing]

@@ark9515 I'd say they're more-or-less on a par, in terms of they both look pin sharp and have super smooth, nicely anti-aliased car models, excellent draw distance and no fuzzy or 'grainy' looking scenery (if you know what I mean). But like I said in the video, it all depends on whether the over the top bloom in Outrun Online Arcade bothers you and you prefer it turned down a teeny smidge like in SPDX. Also, although SPDX is very, very nice looking, it's still got a couple of graphical issues (like the missing tire smoke at the start and the sun being too bright sometimes that I mentioned in the video). Another thing I noticed, which I didn't mention in the video, is that SPDX, despite all the working bloom, is actually missing some lens flare effects. You can see what I'm talking about at 08:44 where (ironically) you can see it occurring in the PC version on the right, but not SPDX.

[@davess61]

@@MrThunderwing I thought that was the case, top job sir!

[@afriend9428]

*The Japanese copies on XBOX are the best!!!*

[@coderkind]

Good videos. Still wondering how Outrun 2 Beta (Chihiro) played on a modded 128mb original Xbox stacks though 😉

[@MrThunderwing]

Thanks! You need to solder in extra RAM to make it work. There's a guide on how to do it here. quade.co/2018/xbox-128mb-ram-upgrade/ Edit: Derp, I misread your comment and thought you were asking how to get it working. I think by all accounts it handles just like the Xbox game. One interesting thing I only found out about myself the other day, is that the Ferrari Testarossa in the Chihiro game, looks different to all the subsequent versions of Outrun from the Xbox and beyond. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXKtqqt8n5uVY80

[@Camdavis11]

Were those emulation bugs ever fixed? I'm trying to play the definitive version of the game but I have a major pet peeve for inaccurate emulation... Thinking about grabbing the Japanese PS2 version but man is it expensive...

[@MrThunderwing]

Which bugs are we talking about?

[@Camdavis11]

@@MrThunderwing specifically you mentioned the overbright sun and some missing smoke fx

[@MrThunderwing]

@@Camdavis11 I don't think the smoke FX has ever been fixed. The issue with the Sun being too bright is apparently something to do with the custom resolution patches necessary to get the game into HD. I think there might be workarounds for that now, but I haven't really looked into it, you'd need to try Googling it.

[@MrThunderwing]

I'd definitely recommend getting a copy of the PC game from somewhere over paying a fortune for the PS2 game though. A bit of simple Googling should help you find somewhere to 'acquire' it from.

[@stefanie_m466]

can't have it just on steam, jees.

[@techmark3665]

Sega ages actually started on the sega saturn

[@MrThunderwing]

Yeah, I realised my error not long after uploading. I've actually still got my Sega Ages Vol 1 disc with Outrun, After Burner and Space Harrier on, so can't believe I forgot it didn't start on the PS2.

[@yorkshirepud6676]

Let's Go Mr Driver .... is said in a driving game I played decades ago but I can't remember the game, hint I went down the Specy, Amiga, Super Nintendo road but I remember it sounding terrible, I didn't care it was the first time I heard words in a game, any ideas?

[@MrThunderwing]

It's from Chase H.Q. by Taito mate, the second best ever 2D arcade racer after Outrun. I've uploaded a few videos about it in the past: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIXOdWWAZZern8U For the longest time it's belated sequel, Chase H.Q. 2 was one of my emulation holy grails, but it finally got cracked a few years back and it's great fun: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2XFmaSdrbSHjaM

[@MrThunderwing]

Also, the Speccy port of Chase H.Q. was one of the best ever conversions of an arcade racer ever. It totally defecated all over US Gold's piss poor Outrun port.

[@yorkshirepud6676]

Great Fun watching your videos I tracked down the Spectrum one too, I remember now you had to hit the side as hitting the back was like hitting a wall you lost time side bash the mother, good times I enjoy your channel you make me think back, Thanks Again.

[@dogey8831]

wish i could play sp sdx on deck, or even the pc 2006, but teknoparrot seems to be very wack on linux

[@MrThunderwing]

I actually have the PSP version running great on my phone. It's upscaled and looks like it's 60fps.

[@dogey8831]

you ever considered picking up a deck? it's really cool

[@MrThunderwing]

@@dogey8831 I've had a quick go on a friend's. TBH, I'm not really that interested, even though I think it's a cool bit of kit. I don't really ever do any gaming on the go - I've got a softmodded 3DS full of games I never play.

[@dogey8831]

that's fair enough, i have yet to install supermodel and model 2 emulator on mine, but it's a great crazy taxi machine or any other arcade racer machine

[@MaskedNinjaYT]

Awesome... It's possible subtitles in Spanish? Jejeje....

[@arcadegamesoldschool9601]

Nce and good movie like always i'm me too big fan of SEGA Outrun game I will put my comment on Emuline