MS Alice's Theme: Plastic Mind

[@CrypticNazo]

Alice and her dolls have the same "WTF are you doing, human?" face my friend's cat gives me.

[@charles8740]

Lol, that is so cat.

[@petergriffin1331]

Or like a *!!!*

[@admcgregor2006]

Fairies were her dolls back then

[@liden-ull]

*They're beginning to believe, they're ascending as a new magician!!!!!*

[@stillmelon]

@@admcgregor2006 But since she couldnt control the fairies she changed to dolls.

[@Nier2J]

It's my favorite theme of Alice. It suits the character from that era so much. I don't see her as a child, unlike many people, but as someone who was clearly showing her feelings and emotions. In the window era, it's like she learned how to maintain some distance with people by sometimes saying cold things and all. But from the informations you can find in Zun's work(such as proposing tea an cakes for the three fairies) or helping people being lost in the magic forest, she kept that empathic side of her in the windows era while being more distant.(you can hear it in doll judgement, there is a mystery feel to the song, but also a sentimental part) So yes, I can imagine her being a part of the pc 98 era because the transition Zun made about Alice between 98 and windows is logical. I think Alice has been really well worked/developed as a character. And no, I don't consider her as a tsundere at all, just someone who like people but also like to be alone from time to time, not wanting to be too close. I love Alice, she's great, and based from my favorite childhood story "Alice in Wonderland". :)

[@conwaysquest6961]

Her ability to animate dolls even makes sense, because it's essential an incomplete version of Shinki's power to create life. Alice even says that her ultimate goal is to create a living, thinking doll, fully emulating Shinki's power.

[@sanstheskeleton679]

@@conwaysquest6961 Imagine what would be her reaction once she sees Medicine in person

[@LilyKazami]

@@sanstheskeleton679 Which she has done in the Silent Sinner in Blue manga. Sadly it's only in a crowd scene so we don't know any of the details.

[@Nier2J]

Yes. That would have been an interesting conversation but, too bad, we didn't get a single word of what they said. An article of Aya about a conversation between Alice and Medicine would be interesting. Thing is, if Alice would meet Medicine and said ",I wish dolls could become alive and independant", that could change Medicine's goal,(Which is manipulate people by being social in order to liberate all dolls from humans/youkai) because that could change her point of view about some humans/youkai.

[@tonick2208]

I kind of think Kuudere is a better description of her

[@theturtwig50]

Alice: 0-0 Shanghai: 0-0 Hourai: 0-0

[@impuregames4115]

Rumia Scarlet Red eyes, Reisen gave them wed i guess

[@conwaysquest6961]

Become one with the wed.

[@Eudaletism]

Everyone castling in three-way chess. 0-0 0-0 0-0

[@Bravidunno]

BROOOO

[@vasatria]

in any case okina used the door-shaped wed.

[@LillyWhiteFairy]

I like how she recognizes us in 7.

[@ProjectUtaite]

Yes! In fact, ZUN created Nostalgic Blood of the East with this theme in mind, even commenting that it sounded nostalgic. The nostalgia was referring to this theme.

[@Idiel96]

No wonder why i keep listening to nostalgic blood and thinking something nostalgic about that soundtrack

[@insertgenericallyironicnam601]

Why do people dislike this theme? It's so wonderful, so nostalgic, so... hopeless.

[@insertgenericallyironicnam601]

juan barahoma :3

[@venndiagram6776]

It's my favorite theme for Alice :3

[@insertgenericallyironicnam601]

Miko Toyosatomimi Mine too. Grimoire is cool, but Plastic Mind is beter IMHO.

[@lain7758]

ZETSUBOUTEKI

[@sanstheskeleton679]

It takes a few listens to truly like it Even I needed to listen it 3 times just to finally appreciate it

[@pepsiman8137]

My soul has been pierced my those soul piercing eyes...

[@petergriffin1331]

You can handle this pepsy man

[@sylvierose2799]

Well they aren't piercing for nothing

[@TheShadowCookie]

This theme just represents one thing to me... Sadness. It's all fandom of course, but try to imagine it. Your realm gets attacked by invaders from another world, they attack your villages, your capital city... And the young "daughter" of the goddess of this world, a doll given more life than others, doesn't wanna watch, she leaves the palace to fight for her realm in the streets. But it is a losing battle, she cannot win. All around everything she knows burns to the ground. All she can do is watch. And after her defeat, once she awakens, the realm itself is on fire, it is collapsing. Her home is gone, forever. As I said, all fandom... But such beautifully tragic fandom. Such a sad theme.

[@mousysaint9143]

This theme really isn't that sad. It's a lot more determined than sad.

[@TheShadowCookie]

Mousy Saint I'd say a mixture of both definitely. Fighting to the death in order to save your world.

[@mousysaint9143]

+TheShadowCookie Fighting to the death...? Eh... Alice is still alive and kicking. She's quite a prominent character in Touhou. And save her world? Makai still exists you know. And it doesn't look broken down or in ruins either. I mean if makai was destroyed I'm 100% sure Byakuren would die and touhou 12 and 13 would never happen.

[@TheShadowCookie]

Mousy Saint Like I said, all fandom. Nothing official. The "old" Alice "died" back then, the new one replaced her in Touhou 7. And Makai appears like a pretty dead realm of chaos in Touhou 12. All you see is a building in the distance that might be the remnant of an old civilization. It is what I like about Touhou, you can make up your own stories here and there. The Fandom is quite intriguing that way.

[@Nico4387gaming]

+TheShadowCookie as i see it the place where stage 3 of PCB takes place must be makai.

[@Tenebrys]

Every day, Mistress looked into my eyes and sighed, saying I wasn't right, I didn't look sufficiently life-like. I whined and apologized to her, I told her I'd try to do better, I'd try to look prettier and love her ever more. Then, one day, she looked at me and smiled, and told me it was okay. I almost squealed with delight, but then I saw her own eyes, and I knew it would never, ever be okay. Why? Why did Mistress put strings on herself and start pulling them? Isn't that what I'm for?

[@OrionoftheStar]

0:52 One of my favorite musical moments in Touhou. I love this song so much.

[@ajurbz82q88]

You can still call her Margatroid. The teen Alice and the adult Alice is the same person. Alice decides not to use the book of Grimoire after th05. That's why her book is always sealed in the following game. After th05, she left her mother Shinki and started having the hobby of BJD dolls. This the Alice we saw in the 07 and following games.

[@prizmastarz742]

What's the meaning of BJD?

[@DistractedFace]

+Txin Nice headcanon there, m8

[@ajurbz82q88]

+Radya Yustisia Ball Joint Doll. All Alice's dolls are considered as this type of doll.

[@ajurbz82q88]

+DistractedFace Thank you :)

[@RespecttehPixel]

It has been officially confirmed by ZUN that Alice from MS and Alice from PCB are the same person.

[@cipeentity463]

This theme can't make you love at the first hearing, but if you think about it , you will realize it's amazing

[@hakureikirisame1173]

Legit, I scrolled down before the video loaded. And when I scrolled back up... THOSE FACES

[@SuperRandomdude12]

If anyone was wondering, here's the tags: "touhou, kaikidan, five, ms, mystic, square, alice, margatroid, extended, creepy, ass, dolls, ugh, they, scare, the, crud, out, of, me"

[@ivatigerfox2548]

This is personally my favorite Alice theme. I'm always drawn to the songs with sheer power and emotion, and this song is brimming with both!

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Good, evil-sounding boss theme (I think) that reminds of of Strawberry Crisis at 0:41

[@MLG773]

0:41 Keine,what are you doing here????

[@GarryDumblowski]

To be honest, I like this theme more than I like The Grimoire of Alice.

[@kakichan8121]

me too

[@GarryDumblowski]

ka Ki Chan AGREEMENT!

[@dclr1212]

I agree.

[@MattJDave]

Grimoire of Alice has a more effective catch, in my opinion, but this is considerably more varied and builds up to a climax.

[@cipeentity463]

yep

[@Wixolixo]

0:53 - 1:38 That part gives me a sense of dread and wrath........I love it so much!

[@vincentlau6325]

When Alice spots Marisa sleeping with Reimu

[@jambon2730]

0:42 Zun really liked his pc98 themes, he even reused this part for keine's theme

[@jadeng.s.2549]

Jambon *Nostalgic Blood of the east

[@yumemisstrawberryjam6759]

*[Girl of Death]* ALICE Alice Margatroid (アリス・マーガトロイド Arisu Māgatoroido) is a doll-controlling magician, she made her first ever appearance of the fifth PC-98 Touhou Project game Mystic Square as the third stage boss. She is a pure all-purpose-type magician without strengths and weaknesses in attributes, but she fundamentally fights in style of manipulating her self-made dolls. With a personality that is indifferent to other people, she is attached to magic, and is usually confident but is also timid in one aspect. According to ZUN, Alice is kind of a special character in the series. (from TouhouWiki) ZUN's comment about the track: "If you listen carefully (?), it's pretty dark. ^^; I think the third stage boss of a shmup is a significant turning point, so I put some extra spirit into the making of this song. (Well, it's not like I was slacking on the other songs or anything... (^^;;;)"

[@tfwmemedumpster]

Nostalgic blood of the east

[@ジャナリツト]

Yep

[@BPKPhoenix]

~ Old World

[@rett064]

i knew it sounded familiar, that explains it

[@LoiValdes]

My favorite Alice theme by far, love how serious sounds compared to Doll Judgement It's a shame that this song has never been officially remixed in any game

[@vasilef3500]

Beautyful theme

[@emeraldarwyn5367]

my favorite theme in MS

[@Nico4387gaming]

+Astrid the Otaku Mine too dude.

[@emeraldarwyn5367]

+Nico4387 😄 I'm not alone!

[@prizmastarz742]

+Astrid the Otaku lol this theme is one of my top 5 favorite OST so nope, you're not alone buddy

[@emeraldarwyn5367]

Pure Precious Moon Skeleton its in mine, too! (along with sleeping terror, hiroari shoots a strange bird, pandemonic planet, and bell of avici)

[@spaghettiking7312]

Alice's themes are all so nostalgic to me.

[@YONAYONAYONAKA]

This song is growing on me

[@noshhhh]

There HAS to be a metal arrangement of this. If there was like a database of doujin circle music releases that you could search by genre...

[@AB10-DL]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXiaqGyKp7KajLc

[@touhouguyII]

0:18, LOVE how sad this sounds!

[@nintengurnd]

With that look on her and her doll's faces you'd think they're staring behind you

[@WindowsDrawer]

0:41 sounds WEIRDLY similar to Nostalgic Blood of the East ~ Old World

[@thatkidacrossthestreet970]

They all look like they just saw 2girls1cup.

[@juliusbelmont8094]

what is 2girls one cup

[@walkthroughsepic]

you're better off not knowing

[@juliusbelmont8094]

Uh ok.

[@jumala_auta_minua]

More like 1guy1jar

[@Dreigonix]

+That Kid Across The Street She looks like she just saw Marisa doing the nasty with the YuugenMagan.

[@TanukiTracks]

They see me watching them... but why are they so scared? What do they think I'm going to do? What fears do these dolls hide in their plastic minds?

[@luckyemile7231]

i love this picture!

[@LuckySmashNine]

Definitely one of my favorite Stage 3 boss themes, if not my favorite. It's one of the most intense themes in the series, to the point where just listening to it almost feels exhausting to me.

[@NessExplains]

This is honestly 10x better than grimoire of alice... and it's also not as repetitive

[@justinecarlmarquez1343]

I feel Sorrow, Wrath , Revenge in this theme... also... That Look give me chills.. a serious look that its planning to kill who it is

[@thetruenemesis469]

Zis and Doll Judgement are my favorites from one of my favorite characters

[@FlandresOldWorld]

^^ Haha, I meant it as a reference to "Nostalgic Blood of the East ~ Old World" which has parts of this song in it. I forgot that Old World was also part of my username so it looked a bit strange XD Sorry about the confusion, if there was any.

[@kichikuouwu]

I love this theme sooo much. It's probably my second favorite Alice theme, next to The Doll Maker of Bucuresti, or however you spell it lol.

[@OfficerShinki]

You totally got it.

[@beepboopily6285]

The Doll Maker of Bugatti

[@CartoBalow]

I love Alice's themes

[@touentheidiot]

damn i just noticed it sounds like aoji shitodo's theme from len'en 4 (theme name: blue storm ~ plastic vortex)

[@Furitan]

00:40 nostalgic blood of the east ~ old world

[@Dreigonix]

I just realized, 0:52 is nearly identical to the chorus of "Don't Stop The Music" by Rihanna. O__O

[@noxenlunacorch.7600]

Staring contest!!!!!!! ...How many time do I have to stare at this disturbing look?

[@negativeinfinity4387]

Its my pc background imagine how i feel

[@noxenlunacorch.7600]

+NegativeInfinity I imagine you feel good while looking at it... I guess

[@negativeinfinity4387]

it was rhetorical but no i just thought it was a funny look. i recently changed it anyway.

[@noxenlunacorch.7600]

Okay. I bet your mental health is better now that you got rid of it.

[@negativeinfinity4387]

yep

[@bananacat3109]

i love listening to this, but it makes me feel like i’m becoming alice

[@imsostuupid]

thats a good thing

[@Tacoradical]

>Has this playing. >Is playing Sonic 3D Blast (Genesis). >Reaches Panic Puppet Zone. >Turns to screen and back to game. It's just too perfect...

[@petergriffin1331]

Oter why imma doing fnas+touhou crossover NOT only oter things about the 2 games but....rock clones dr.golden's attack(fnas last chapter only the demo is here)had a lot of things a litle similiar as touhou

[@MelCMlol]

0:41 KEINE WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE

[@goldendeerlingtheepics2ndc787]

Love this song. All Alice themes are amazing

[@FrostMonolith]

That goddamn stare

[@angrysunflower222]

*_Alice Margatroid_* _アリス マーガトロイド_ ¤ Magician (formerly human) ☆ Controlling dolls Was the only human in Makai-Heart due to Shinki/Alice mother/daughter mumbo-jumbo. She remains mostly unchanged otherwise.

[@kichikuouwu]

tfw this is now my favorite theme in MS, and in my top 3 boss themes in Touhou. Praise Alice :v

[@kichikuouwu]

good taste

[@ayathejerk7466]

0:40 It remembers me Extended Ash.

[@jayrx3853]

what

[@constancesmith6362]

This theme is one of the most underrated in the entire Touhou franchise. I adore it! My top favorite will always be Strawberry Crisis!!, but dang believe me Plastic Mind is definitely up there along with Magic Mirror and Border of Life. It's so mysterious and it just gives me such an intimidating vibe in a unique way apart from the loud intensity of Nuclear Fusion. It's more so a hopeless intimidation, completely at the hands of a higher being with no way to escape. It's elegant and organized, like everything is going accordingly. I sincerely believe this is Alice's best theme, and it certainly highlights her story and personality.

[@guylers]

A tip: Nostalgic Blood of Touhou (The East) is a reference to this battle.

[@thettbd]

Guyler Stephen How come? I don't r- Oh wait Nostalgic...but still, why is it EXACTLY a reference? EDIT: I found it, 0:40.

[@Bravidunno]

The Good Bullet Dodger Nah, that's Sanae's theme here. But there's, you mean, Plain Asia.

[@pichu6132]

I love her extra stage so much. And this song is amazing it fits the theme

[@liquidboss2719]

So, this it's where Keine's theme gets its melody.

[@jadeng.s.2549]

Liquid Boss *Stage theme

[@arctisCircle]

Awesome music, but... does anyone else notice how Alice and the two dolls seem to be giving this WTF look in almost the same direction? Huh...

[@captaincraftit696]

There are two possible answers to this. A: Alice made the mistake of looking into Reisen's eyes, or B: Alice looked up pictures of herself on the internet and found some Rule 34.

[@thetruenemesis469]

CaptainCraftIt And wats rule 34?

[@captaincraftit696]

ChariotheJudgement Y-y-you don't know what Rule 34 is?- *Pichuun* knowyourmeme.com/memes/rules-of-the-internet

[@thetruenemesis469]

CaptainCraftIt wow. So many. But rule 34 is gonna be stuck wit me.

[@sanstheskeleton679]

@@captaincraftit696 That explains Alice But what about the dolls?

[@MusicTheater81]

Hands down, my favorite boss theme out of the PC-98 era.

[@theimaginarykoishi4855]

wait this might be the old version of Nostalgic Blood of the East~Old World

[@YuuyaKZMI]

I had no idea I was supposed to stop firing when she put up that mirror and that my shots were being reflected. I thought it was just a shield of some kind. Stopped firing, and.. it got easier.

[@OkamiKai6980]

Wait really? I thought you have to keep shooting at it for it to break-

[@YuuyaKZMI]

@@OkamiKai6980 Nope, it was a mirror. Not a shield.

[@OkamiKai6980]

@@YuuyaKZMI omg- it was all a LIE-

[@grass324]

I can hear legend of kage around 0:40

[@averageYTuser52282]

0:40 i hear a bit of nostalgic blood of the east

[@superautogamingfan]

This is my favorite alice theme, even including her PCB theme

[@Kraneberger]

0:40-0:51 reminds me of keines stage theme (also its at the same exact time spot)

[@Linkstarzelda]

dat face

[@petergriffin1331]

I saw the same face as horay or shangay(after all the doll a litle near to the screen in the right of the draw) I founded the same with an ugandan knukles

[@Azusagumee]

My third fav Alice theme This sounds so good even when its pc98

[@thyrionokada1880]

Wait Alice is a pc98 girl ommmggg AHHHHH i thought it was a different Alice

[@shasynarrayai.a703]

Plastic Memories ,T .T,

[@1MrAshey]

right mouse button -> view source code -> search for "

[@pennoypiepieP]

The face when I see my friend steal peanut butter:

[@Lambda65]

And boss music too?

[@remyy266]

they just like 0-0 also for some reason this song reminds me of the events of touhou 8

[@forevereon]

One of my favorite songs... only bad thing is that you are almost done with all the songs of PC98. Good job!

[@petergriffin1331]

Oh god alice's faces and her dolls too...the music is cool but oh shit theyr faces...i never saw alice with this face

[@u.n_gentleman]

0:51 remind me Castlevania I don't know why.

[@LilyKazami]

Some of the early part of this theme sounds like a Megaman stage to me, honestly, but when the catch kicks in, it goes somewhere entirely different.

[@wolfy049]

in my playlist since 2011 , still good , i mean , F*CKING AWESOME !

[@bonelessmice6828]

0:40 sounds familiar, wonder why…

[@Fujiwara-no-Moko]

I like Alice's MS themes more, than PCB ones.

[@StinkBugWizard]

She only has 1 PCB one.

[@binzala]

@@StinkBugWizard Maybe he counts the stage theme as well

[@madadardeb5580]

I like this theme more than her pcb theme. It's just so good.

[@KiraFan1983]

Why do Alice and her dolls look so scary here😰 i think im sleeping with the lights on tonight💡💡

[@stupickles2055]

I swear i've heard part of this remixed into some of zun's newer works although he does seem to enjoy remixing PC-98 music into newer songs like how night sakura of dead spirits has alice in wonderland at the beginning

[@raresdinea1025]

***** i know its like in the start you hear it

[@udon8347]

***** Yeah just like your hating its cliche.

[@udon8347]

***** Your one of those top annoying kind of people on the internet.

[@zombiekiller0023]

***** he spelled cliche right didn't he?

[@zombiekiller0023]

***** I'm sorry, but can you try to use commas

[@БоканБарабоков]

Man, just where are you dug out such a weird picture?!

[@sanstheskeleton679]

Probably the deep web

[@nostalplant]

i love this theme, and they look like zombies which i also love.

[@elvergalarga-jo9vs]

*Stop looking at me like that... it's creeping me out...*

[@OctoAnt_A]

I can hear some Nostalgic blood of the east at 0:41

[@lukasi6688]

You can still have a look at it by right click anywhere and "View page source" then Ctrl+F for "keywords" and bingo.

[@elcochinoculeao8238]

After looking the background, I know i will prey for Jesús before go to bed.

[@shoutoramaru4557]

Me encanta esa ilustración de Alice perturbada~

[@류승윤-x6q]

This Alice was younger than now.

[@offishworker1109]

0:40 this sounds like Nostalgic Blood of the East

[@nousername4416]

zun please bring back this underrated character in a windows game ;;(

[@WishMakers]

Also, is it just me, or does almost everything in LLS and MS make you think of Alice in Wonderland? Yuuka's sprite in Stage 5 of LLS looks like the rabbit from the Disney movie, and hell, the extra stage theme name in this game is Alice in Wonderland. Not to mention, Alice uses dolls. IT ALL MAKES SENSE. Oh yeah, and this theme is so underrated it hurts me.

[@platinumangelwings]

To add creepiness, Alice's MS colors are blue and white, almost EXACTLY like Alice in Wonderland's. Not to mention her blue eyes, and blonde hair.

[@MisterPoster]

Actually, you'd be surprised how many people like calling Alice their waifu in the Touhou fandom... she's easily one of the most popular and well-known characters, really. I don't dislike MariAri, but I don't really think Alice is thought of only in such a way, really...

[@LolS0lar]

This is a really good songggggggggggg

[@TomimokaDiyuu]

This is old world but old.

[@Muttisuri]

Could anyone send me link to this picture ? I LOVE IT (It's creepy i know, THAT ONLY MAKES IT BETTER XD )

[@painovoimaton]

Agreed, cute Alice pictures just don't work for some reason, it has to be creepy to be awesome you know.

[@Muttisuri]

It kinda works, but not in the same way; I think that the reeason for that is that Alice herself is a little unexplained, nad as we humans fear what we have no explenation for, it's natural that the represantations that resonate more with the character are the creepier ones. If there are grammar errors, I'm sorry, I try to "hurry" my responces so I'm writting realy fast. This is my opinion on why does the creepy Alice works better than the cute one. Bye :)

[@zhaohuangsfm]

Alice: Saguro yong mind mo Plastic Marisa?

[@shanmianhiyueshongdaojukei9732]

Oh my. Smh I understand that

[@Bravidunno]

0:41 I hear Faith is for the Transient People there.

[@Bravidunno]

FireCharger And Faith is for the Transient People.

[@Bravidunno]

+FireCharger You've only that to say ?

[@Bravidunno]

+FireCharger Saying only a smiley, that's not even a sentence.

[@Bravidunno]

FireCharger Well, a comment contains at least one sentence...

[@SuperDuperCooper08]

holy..I knew there a reason I loved this theme a lot.

[@neoxrave]

well, i guess that would make sense because alice is the stage 4 boss of PCB. :P