MSI Just Revealed 2 New Handhelds! Claw 8 Ai+ And The Claw 7 Ai+

[@dacbiet]

80whr battery is the new standard for me.

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

Same with 2280 storage for upgradability

[@Kbisori]

100%

[@LuisPerez-5]

@@dacbiet Optimization should be the standard not to brute force it putting a bigger battery in it.

[@cynicalcomedian4428]

@@LuisPerez-5 there are limits i still agree but we are approaching the limits

[@LuisPerez-5]

@@cynicalcomedian4428 of optimization? What limits? They have stopped doing it.

[@SprDrumio64]

having the "Ai" in the name means fuckin nothing when will these companies LEARN

[@icerink239]

For some, it does. Especially for those with ML related work.

[@cocozimme]

It means im not spending my money on it

[@slick6699]

It's a marketing ploy and it immediately makes me think negatively of the product. It's almost like clickbait

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

@@icerink239 Are those people using this low-powered CPU for that though? Doubt it.

[@icerink239]

@Patrick-y4d1z those that need a huge VRAM but don't want to buy a 4090, yepp

[@jayp_2023]

I'm looking forward to AMD's Z2 Extreme in 2025. The next ROG Ally should be incredible.

[@otcitex]

@@jayp_2023 agree, I'd love to dual boot it

[@85crazytechlaz]

Yep that's getting on the new legion go as well it's going to be better then mai bs lol

[@extra4542]

Same, my most anticipated product. The bare minimum I want is an OLED screen

[@herman-df4jy]

Im using z1E about 1 month, and love it so much, better than my laptop i3 1005g1+MX330 lmao😂

[@andreasnilsson1797]

Hopefully legion go goes better then rog ally becouse of bigger screen

[@BlobBlobkins]

Love new chip, you can play for a whole 1 hour! That is the progress I want to see.

[@fightnight14]

The Claw 8 AI+-/* is a glimpse of what the ROG Ally 2 will be. 8" display most likely the same form factor as the predecessor but with less bezels like the Switch LCD to OLED upgrade. Z2 Xtreme, 32GB RAM, 1TB Storage.

[@garryw1974]

I think these high end handhelds should all come with a OLED screen considering the price they are.

[@lofimusiq]

OLED is not cheap to manufacture, silicone is not cheap to manufacture. R&D is especially not cheap. The price they are is reasonable because this is still a niche market. If they had the same demand of a Nintendo switch then that would bring the price down significantly. Nintendo sells their Switch at cost since they can make up for profits with games they sell. This is far from the case with these since MSI/Lenovo/Etc dont sell games.

[@arcaderacer586]

These things wont go away

[@adamheath2533]

Amazon Pre-orders aren’t available for the 8 unfortunately

[@tomdonis4315]

The 17" bezels and the MSI logo kill the new claw tbh

[@cochxite]

Thank you for talking about this

[@danieldavidson5447]

By no means cheap but a pretty fair price for what you're getting!! Interesting to see the Intel chips in the handheld market.

[@LuisPerez-5]

The price is crazy though

[@85crazytechlaz]

That product is going to be a lost cause just like the first one they keep trying but it's not going to work AMD rising is always going to be the best ship on top of whatever MSI is trying to do

[@85crazytechlaz]

And yeah the price is definitely crazy for something that's probably going to break on you in like less than a week or can't play AAA games

[@KingSlendy]

@@85crazytechlaz funny you say that, because I bought the Ally X and that one did start breaking on me within a week… twice…

[@justswitched8841]

Hows it crazy when the competitors have similar specs and are charging 1000 plus

[@mistamaog]

It's a full fat computer, it's really not a lot for what you get.

[@DJCJ999]

With so many great deals on the Go.. the Og Ally and others it's a tough market.. but I think we all want to see a Z1E beating gpu running in a handheld... the question will be how much better will it be and will that improvement be enough to make us spend?

[@benhawk4214]

Im actually pretty excited for the 8 model, though I'm going to wait for benchmarks. 32gb ram, vrr, and 80 whr battery are the full package imo, my only addition would be oled screen

[@elihusolano5993]

I was looking forward to this... But based on several things related to Intel lately... I think o will wait for amd z2 or something similar

[@Crustenscharbap]

Imagine this CPU in a mini PC. This would be super silent and fast. Soo good that Intel limited the TDP to 33W. This was a good idea.

[@largaCat]

Got the ALLY X last week. Will keep it until Z3 extreme releases.

[@cheddle88]

the OG claw is GREAT once you disable the E cores and dial back the CPU clocks, the iGPU is starved out of the box. I hope MSI dont make the same mistake with the AI+ units

[@Maxi87bit]

@@cheddle88 teach me

[@user-vu8hg4zk6w]

Such a good choice to compare the intel CPU with the AMD Z1 Extreme which was released more than a year ago.

[@docbrody]

I’d consider one of these once we can confirm the performance you’ve estimated in this video. Seems like there’s still a lot of room for driver improvements.

[@donotwant9551]

Would prefer to see 10w to 18w game testing, since that will be far more common for most. Also some sub 10w testing for SD comparison.

[@ele.zer0696]

Thank U For Ur Review Eta

[@LuisPerez-5]

How is this a review?

[@Rai_Koroshiya]

I'll pick this up when there is a variant and Bazzite support is dialed in. It will be a companion for my Rog Ally x with Win11. Just to support Intel variants and competition.

[@genio8820]

ETA did you get one? when can we expect a review and comparison vs Ally X?

[@UserX-02]

Before even watching I know the price is gonna leave my wallet empty

[@markdove5930]

No it won't because you will never buy this. Nobody will

[@adamheath2533]

I have the Ally X and Steam Deck OLED but I really want the 8 AI+. 8” screen with VRR and a 80whr battery is what I’ve been waiting for

[@LuisPerez-5]

Don't know where he gets that the screen is VRR

[@planteroni22]

I would love to get your thoughts on why they decided to add AI to the device's title. It's obviously a market trend right now, and it sounds like we will rely on frame gen pretty heavily moving forward. Will take the same approach as Apple and boast their OS as AI powered?

[@tchallawallace7968]

Z2 and arc140 our minimal upgrades. I would wait for strix halo or panther lake at the end of 25.

[@mediacenterpc1]

I thought about getting the claw but went with legion go and no regrets.

[@reryaa]

Hi ETA prime can you include fighting games like Street Fighter 6 or Tekken 8 in your testing as most of the fighting game community would want these games on handheld. Thanks

[@Vans_WW]

@@reryaa they already run fine on OG Ally so I don’t see the point

[@9r33ks]

Unpopular opinion: people will buy this thing due to 120Hz display, but they will play games at 30fps with upscaling anyway.

[@damianramirez9788]

Some games are achiveable 60fps already... Anyway a 120HZ would be much better than a standard 60HZ...

[@9r33ks]

@damianramirez9788 in games that the device can realistically run at 120? Yes.

[@graveyarddead753]

The better option is playing at a locked 40fps on a 120hz screen. I play Witcher 3 at 1080p, FSR Quality, medium settings, maintains locked 40 on the Ally and it’s good. If I want high FPS I’ll get on my 4090 desktop, but sometimes it’s better to play on the couch after work instead.

[@ranjitmandal1612]

That is the way 🤷

[@icerink239]

It's a lunar lake device. There's a bunch of games it can run at native for 120fps

[@hjshoon5244]

Claw 8 looks good on paper but wonder what’s the actual game performance, driver support and more importantly the price

[@detectiveluis]

This handheld should absolutely knock it out of the park- specifically with battery life. To their credit, Intel’s made incredible efficiency gains with Lunar Lake. Just not so confident on the gaming part

[@sanoska206]

Why isn’t any one of these companies do a oled display with bigger battery refresh. Was disappointed with ally x when they have the same screen but they did have a bigger battery.

[@justswitched8841]

Buy a stean deck!

[@sanoska206]

@ steam deck is not powerful or versatile. I can do game pass on the ally.

[@virlanmarianbogdan653]

I will stay with my rog ally x. I would love to have a little more performance and a touch pad as steam deck has, and it will pe perfect

[@tonyrosario1940]

So these aren't lower budget alternatives? We already have a good selection of $500+ x86 handhelds, we need them to break into the $300-$400 market with a focus on emulation, rather than being able to play all pc titles, etc. 🍻

[@tendosingh5682]

You already have budget devices at all price levels for emulation including 300-400. No big name is going to focus on emulation because the reality is that is for piracy.

[@dacbiet]

the Z1, Steam Deck, or opened box Z1X is around that price range

[@Patrick-y4d1z]

You're better off picking up a Steam Deck at that price range. But consider that the ROG Ally is already like £400. So new devices like these push the prices down of the old devices very quickly. I expect th ROG Ally x to be £500 within 12 months.

[@FirebrandChris]

There’s already devices available in that range though?

[@tonyrosario1940]

@@tendosingh5682 not x86, except for Steam Deck and Ally (non z1 extreme). Those are good options for sure, but we could use more competition, which would bring better performance, battery life and portable ergonomics for a similar price, all things the current offerings are not strong in. X86 emulation is more ironed out for higher end systems, so yes, there are other Android offerings, but x86 emulation is still more polished with more compatibility and better performance. 🍻

[@IcaniCorrono]

The real good part is just the XeSS. I really hope AMD release soon FSR4, with low res it is mandatory be able to rely on a fair upscaler.

[@squirrelsticks]

I upgraded my OG ally z1x with the ally x 80w battery and it’s been amazing with 3x more battery life. I’m waiting to see the benchmarks head to head before I decide on the claw 8+. My biggest concern right now is running out of 16GB shared ram. I may just upgrade to 32GB on my ally and play it till it quits.

[@Youvko]

Can you give a hint how exactly did you do it? How hard was it, how much soldering and 3d printing? I have original z1x and looking into upgrade option for mine, but right now I am hesitant regarding engeneering maturity or possible ways.

[@squirrelsticks]

@@Youvkoit was easy I obtained the ally x battery from a-accessories and once I received the battery I followed handheldmodz conversion guide. My soldering skills are fairly low and it works like a dream. I trimmed some of the webbing off the backplate and the ally and it all fits behind the stock backplate. I was going to use the jsaux backplate but I didn’t like the look of it. I easily get 2.5-3 hours on AAA titles at 17w TDP and 3+ hours on indie games at a 10-15w TDP depending on the title while running on bazzite.

[@reryaa]

Basically 20-25% better performance from previous gen? I wish the next chips yield more performance.

[@squaresphere]

Love the specs but i'm not holding my breath on price. If the Ally X is any indication both of these will $800+ on launch.

[@ccoedo808]

They should've created the laptop battle Mage and release a claw with that same laptop version of the battle Mage

[@JorgeChavezX]

When is the onexfly F1 pro video gonna drop?

[@bank869]

would probably buy this over amd cause of power effiency can last 2 times longer then amd h370 with head to head performance

[@vladkirichenko1844]

I think that in two more years at least I will buy myself a portable one for cyberpunk 1080p on high

[@ThetaxDeltax]

The other one fit a small nvme. You think they will make a larger size small one? Maybe 4tb or 8tb? They gotta lower the prices. Scary stuff. Probably pick something up in the years to come. These look tough. thou. Laptop has a gpu and a keyboard. IDK you do the tests. Get them to make a psp size one with the same power and able to fit a nvme still. FAN NOISE IS GETTING ANNOYING>

[@jedzell]

Let's see if that new claws can game @ 15w

[@vuyelwamanqoba6412]

Brother could you try the Nubia Neo 5G

[@armedrepublic]

Would be cool if it didn't have windows and had some after sale support.

[@dagnisnierlins188]

Dead on arrival product

[@acdoob]

People will buy it, plenty of people bought the z1 extreme. The problem is the drivers and that's what caused issues. I think theyve figured it out at this point though.

[@85crazytechlaz]

Lmfao 😂😂 thats a fact..... To me first expressions are the best and that one didn't had a good expression on anybody so that's a lost cause

[@markdove5930]

​@@acdoobIntel figuring something out in 2024😂

[@dagnisnierlins188]

@@acdoob mostly alright now, don't care much about igpu, but intels battlemage dgpus better not disappoint, I want 3 gpu makers in the market.

[@TechnobikerID]

why?

[@golf-and-surf]

Compare with z1e plz!

[@BBPROP_TR]

is Arc 140V better than 3050?

[@frankpatterson9682]

I just hope the M.2 in the 8 AI isnt a chore to get to.

[@JustinPennito]

I don't remember the 7 AI+ ever being announced previously, it's almost like they stealth dropped it, because it was announced yesterday morning & coming out December 1st. I have the 7 AI+ coming & it's actually, more so a slightly smaller variant of the 8 AI+, more so than just a revamp of the original one, it just happens to be the same size & looks to be the same shell, I'm guessing because the first was such a huge flop, they have tons of that original shell laying around & taking up shelf space.

[@donotwant9551]

I am a little concerned they are trying to rush these out the door before the Z2 is announced or the related base chip is more widely available because these won't match up well.

[@ele.zer0696]

I Wonder If Itll Damage After Using It at Max Performance for 8 Hours

[@TheAnonLee]

I can’t see these doing well for the price they’re at. I get most folks can’t pull a valve and subsidies the price but man are these a lot compared to the competition

[@Leopez02]

It's nice that MSi Claw revealved 2 handhelds Claw 8 Ai+ and Claw 7 Ai+ which one is better with a better screen or giga bit memory? I think I'll wait for Lenovo Legion Go S, Zotac or the next Asus Rog Ally. But a handheld that I'll wait for the most is the Switch 2 coming in 2025: Here we goo wahoo! 😆

[@LuisPerez-5]

I think the Legion Go S will be weaker than the Legion Go. That's what I read

[@firdausselim9632]

is this a type of pc remote? or pc with smartphone size

[@ytn00b3]

Ah Thx. No wonder MSI heavily discounted their previous model upto 40%.

[@petit-deneill1685]

In Asus I trust🙌🙌

[@garryw1974]

Any chance of some emulation benchmarks,i only buy these handhelds for emulation,pc game benchmarks don't mean much to me.

[@eiceys4612]

Moonlight + Desktop GPU is killing the game, more future proof, better performance, better battery life, and doesn't need to upgrade so much as handled.

[@muertoman5771]

what laptop did you use for this?

[@danielhulan3058]

I really hope they get this roght because 32gb ram is so needed. I wish the z1 extreme had this option. Yes the ally x had 24gb but this would be even better. They just can NOT charge this much especially since the ally and legion go are so much cheaper. unless their drivers are up to par, it doesnt matter what these synthetic benchmarks say. It wont out preform the ally and go. I wish they would have included oculink somehow.

[@LuisPerez-5]

They can and they will. They are not "so much" cheaper the Ally X is 799 and the Legion go 749. And there have been tests to prove more RAM doesn't really give you that big of a performance boost

[@Swickedy]

Loving my lenovo legion go, especially at the price I go it at. £400 🤘 (Grade A Refurbed from Currys&PCworld, 12 month warranty) The screen is awesome and the performance is great. The track pad is a god idea, but taking your time and having all the controls full mapped makes game play fun as hell! 😂 Will probably wait till lenovo bring out the next big gen version now I know how good this is. Currently playing through the gears of war series and it's epic! 💪

[@pastqr]

They messed up so bad with the first MSI Claw that I'm not even interested lol

[@mikehorton6433]

The new 8 AI Claw would have been so much more desirable with a Z2 Extreme. Liking the 8" VRR display and 80 WH battery but really wish that they had gone with AMD. Got a Legion Go so I'll stick with that until maybe the Legion Go S or 'Ally 2' arrives.

[@slick6699]

Yeah, the z1 extreme has been a beast. Even when the new chips come out, I'll keep this one for emulation on the go.

[@ucle9955]

So many doom posting in this video's comment section though. MSI didn't rush out this time, in fact, they were pretty patient. Lunar Lake has been out since October, they had functional sample at IFA 2024 (September), so they spent 3 months to fix/optimize the drivers and software - just in time for Xmas launching. And from Lunar Lake laptop reviews, we already knew that its GPU is very competent, trade blow with 890M but at much lower wattage (very important for handhelds). And 890M is no slouch, it's faster than 780M by a fair margin. It's a new product with new hardware, latest tech (TSMC 3nm won't come cheap), comparing its price with ongoing products at sale price is not fair - not to mention higher RAM & SSD capacity. Let's not forget the outrage when people first heard about Ally X's price. As for OLED screen thing, I asked some Chinese stores (in hope of replacement OLED screen for current handhelds), but they said the demand for this type of product is still low, so no mass production yet. OLED screen for smartphone has a different design and connector, you can't just slap it on a handheld PC and call it a day.

[@Maxi87bit]

I thought new claw will use lower power to play AAA games. Since it's V series which use lower power than H series.

[@rob465]

Just got the X open box $650, claw would have to be OLED to sell me.

[@LuminousSpace]

why these handheld never have oculink just make one like gpd/oxp

[@Alilolilou]

I could hardly go from a legion go to one of these without being frustrated, no touchpad, controllers can't be removed...

[@slick6699]

Using a.i. In the name of a device is just a marketing ploy. It doesn't necessarily mean the product is bad, but personally it makes me think negatively of it.

[@milansinha7648]

Should have 80 whr battery

[@ranjitmandal1612]

Intel need to invent there FG soon 🔜

[@bank869]

they have extrass i think they will suprise us soon

[@JoonKimDMD]

OLED or no. I would rather buy One X Fly Pro F1 OLED AMD HX 370 UMPC.

[@divinelove-vo7zv]

these are perfect 800p gaming machines... I'll grab one if they launch around $599 price

[@ArthurAligon]

keep it up i like ur vids!

[@Ovo6477]

Keep ROG ally x wait for RDNA 4.0

[@whitepenali]

899?? Get the onexfly ...its better than the ally x ...get the 32 gb

[@bryanlewis5457]

MSI software is the worst. It's going to ruin any handhelds they release.

[@GhostGamer799]

I think those new msi should have used AMD it's good for handheld

[@francistein8409]

performance seems disappointing and its freakin overpriced as hell. im gonna wait and see what z2 extreme is gonna be like.

[@theyoutubechannels]

AYANEO 3 ☝️

[@TechManDanN]

I’ll stick to the onexfly f1 pro

[@fajar4741]

Nah... just get 1st gen Ally with Z1 Extreme. It's half of its launch price now.

[@SuileDearg]

I'd consider one if it was using an AMD APU but I dont want to deal with intel issues on my first Windows handheld. I dont need additional headaches when I decide to choose another device over my Steam Deck for the day.

[@beckinbinderin]

Total Cores 8 # of Performance-cores - 4 # of Low Power Efficient-cores - 4 Total Threads - 8 Max Turbo Frequency 4.8 GHz Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 Frequency - 4.8 GHz Performance-core Max Turbo Frequency 4.8 GHz Low Power Efficient-core Max Turbo Frequency 3.7 GHz Performance-core Base Frequency 2.2 GHz Low Power Efficient-core Base Frequency 2.2 GHz

[@hatdude5138]

Too late. It is already a 2 horse race now. Steamdeck or ROG Ally.

[@chemislife]

Im going to guess this handheld is going to be considered a flop again

[@adolfbilic8622]

The OneXFly F1 pro looks way nicer . More expensive but worth it as it has OLED and no bezels . These look outdated .

[@stefans.3940]

Intel inside is like...No thanks, I wait for the AMD Version.

[@BrotherAthos]

No OLED is a deal breaker for me.

[@holmesfutrell]

I don't know if a 120Hz OLED panel with VRR exists in this size. Aya Neo Pocket Evo has it but that's an Android device and unclear if it supports VRR. Personally I rank VRR support higher than OLED

[@BrotherAthos]

@holmesfutrell personally I would trade VRR for OLED. But everyone has different preferences

[@holmesfutrell]

@@BrotherAthos having used Legion Go (without VRR) and ROG Ally (with VRR) I've found hitting locked frame rates that divide evenly into screen refresh too challenging on handhelds, so that's where my preference comes from.

[@stevenvg3646]

$899?! Hard pass. Switch and steam deck did well because it was gaming on the go at an affordable price. These companies are just throwing what they can at these to try and get a few sales at the promise of sludge like AAA gaming. I love me some 15fps.

[@keev9882]

Lunar Lake destroying HX 370 in laptops makes this handhelds a killer.

[@pinoyian01]

1200p on Claw 8.

[@bluescreenoftech]

I...cant..keep..up!

[@ele.zer0696]

Sd Card 👁️

[@McShort9]

its already sold out, all of them

[@lofimusiq]

Not touching anything Intel anymore

[@carlosguadarrama6404]

nah man they need to stop embarrasing themselves