MSR Hubba NX : Tested in Iceland & Hawaii

On Tour gear test in Iceland and Hawaii. Cold winds. Heat and salt water spray. Impressions from Iceland and Hawaii.
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I am overwhelmed that this video got 100.000 clicks. That is huge for a small channel like mine.

[@IohanGueorguiev]

Great review, very helpful and good to see the tent in action.

[@skevins78]

Thanks for making this review. I have been looking at many tent reviews and so far yours has given me a mucht better idea of what to expect from this tent on the trail. So great job!

[@graer]

Totally agree with your thought on real world test over garden set up- thanks

[@Alpintiger]

gs greathouse This poor little tent has gone through quite some stress tests since I bought it earlier this year. Stood on grounds full of sharp stones, been rattled in high winds, heat excessive of 100°F/41°C, soaked and shaken in a thunderstorm so violently I feared I was going to fly away with the tent...I take great care of my gear, because my adventures depend very much on it. Yet, the poor tent already bears some scares from the rough conditions. Still holding up. I love it.

[@Alpintiger]

In just six month I have taken this poor little tent through a viariety of climate and weather conditions. I got plenty of video material and real world test. So I didn't need to do a garden set up. In fact, I am just back from another long trail and now I am still shaking desert sand out of the tent. Lot's of fine dust settled in the zippers :-/ Need to figure out how to clean those.

[@SanderVandenHeurck]

how does the floor hold up against these grounds full of sharp stones? That's the thing that holds me back from buying a lightweight tent.

[@Alpintiger]

The floor is holding up good, but....I have to say, as with my other tent, I always use a ground cloth as an extra protection. I bought this tent 10 month ago, so I can not tell how well the material will age over time. In its ten month with me, it survived salt water spray (Hawaii), rocky grounds (Island) and abrasive desert sand (Grand Canyon). What worries me more are the zippers. Sand, dust, dirt are the death of every zipper, eventually. The zippers on this lightweight tent are not the heavy duty type I have on my heavier tent. I don't think they will take the same amount of rough handling. I need to find a way to clean them and make them run smoothly again, before I tear or break them.

[@peterandrews1512]

A good real use review. I have just bought but not used one of these Hubba NX's for solo motorcycle touring after deciding to change from a larger heavier tent. I'm glad a watched your video as a lot of all the other reviews have like you said have been in someone's garden. Thanks for sharing.

[@Alpintiger]

I am glad you found my review helpfull. I bought the Hubby NX earlier this year and used it in two very different climate zones: Hawaii and Iceland. In just two weeks it has to endure yet another climate, that of hot dry desert. I don't know if you saw my bicycle touring videos from last year. There I used a two person tent and was quite happy to have a little more space around me. With a bicycle it's not a problem to have a tent that is a little heavier and larger. This year though I mostly did backpacking and had to go as lightweight as possible with all my gear. Thanks for your comment.

[@samueljimenez7792]

Best review of this tent! Thank you

[@matt4p]

Thanks for the review. I loved that trail!

[@donnyo65]

Great review - thanks to your input I don’t think this is the tent for me but it’s great to get an honest opinion.

[@persebastienmerour6517]

Thanks for a great review. Good too finally see the tent in actual use, rather than as you said in some garden😅

[@borysvengerov3398]

Thanks for an interesting review! Personally I like the mesh specifically because it helps avoiding heavy condensation thanks to the ventilation. Also, watching the stars :-)

[@lopsan457]

Finally a tent in action! Great

[@alexscotfield4918]

Best authentic review! Thank you so much!

[@DavidAnderson-vt8iq]

Excellent real world review - thanks.

[@chewurbrain]

Cracked up at the jibe on backyard, straight out of box "reviews"! As others mentioned, great job providing on-trail review & giving very helpful observations even on the fly color (green vs grey) & the difference that mesh made against rough winds. Keep it up!

[@Alpintiger]

In hindsight I might leave that comment away. Maybe it's a little...cattish :-) Glad you found the information helpfull nevertheless.

[@azclaimjumper]

@@baghaei90 Right ON!

[@jungsriprapai7743]

Very informative review. Thank you for your review!

[@getoutmore]

Hey, thanks! Great review. Pulling the outer up half way is a nice feature, will definitely try that out with mine! :)

[@karlmitchell1307]

Loving the coat as a foot cozy while in your sleeping bag :)

[@Alpintiger]

In my other tent I have a bit of condensation problem and the sleeping bag would get wet, because its foot end would brush off the moisture from the inner tent wall. The goretex jacket very effectively protects it from it.

[@GedDevlin]

Best review yet 😁 nice one.

[@robalan57]

I went with the two person version. Thank you for the review. MSR has a Hubba Tour version. It seems nice for cold weather. These Hubba tents have a lot of options. There is a gear shed attachment for most of them and also a fast and light footprint for lightweight carry or just a quick open setup without the tent body.

[@cali_weejock]

Nice honest real word review. Danke 🙏

[@georgerosado5194]

Excellent review.thankyou for sharring

[@debrawest5963]

Yes! Finally someone pitching a tent on the trail and giving us info we really need on how these shelters perform in varying conditions. I think these sort of tents are great for warmer and more sheltered environments e.g. below treeline hiking (like the AT) but really couldn't imagine using them longer term in more exposed and extreme environments like Iceland, and Scotland where I live. Thanks!

[@Alpintiger]

LOL, yes, I have been pitching this tent on so many trails, since I got it only 6 month ago. Incredible journey in such a short time. And I am just back from another long trail. That's why I have fallen behind schedule with my video editing and why my reply to your comment comes so late. I am in the process of updating my website with the photoblog of my latest trip. In just six month I got enough video material of the tent performing under all kinds of conditions in various environments. So it was easy to make this video. Yes, this tent is a great for three seasons, spring to autumn. It would not be my tent of choice for extrem wheather conditions. Mostly because the material is very thin (it's a tent designed to be lightweight) and doesn't have a lot of tie out points. This said, I would trust myself to use it for SOME winter camping. I am experienced in winter camping, know what I have to do and have slept in open lean-to shelters, under tarps and even in snow caves. For winter camping I give far more emphasis to have the right sleeping bag for the conditions.

[@debrawest5963]

Thanks for your reply, and I did assume you've been out and about enjoying yourself in the great outdoors :-) Looking forward to seeing your latest videos once you get them done!

[@Oculus729]

Thank you for the real world review and set up. I appreciate it. I was considering this tent for Iceland. I will look elsewhere, for something else. Have a great life. Happy trails. Peace.

[@Alpintiger]

I bought this tent mainly because I am not the strongest and a small and lightweight person. This tent survived Iceland, but.... Anybody who can afford to carry a little bit more weight on their back might want to get a bit sturdier albeit heavier tent. For me minimum weight was the main reason to buy this tent.

[@Oculus729]

Thank you.

[@CameronCN]

Sweet video, ive used the same tent for 2 seasons now and it's treated me well

[@Alpintiger]

I am very pleased with this tent. I only bought it earlier this year. So its still almost new, but it performed well in Hawaii and Iceland. In another 10 days from now it will have to perform under yet another climate condition.

[@craiggillphotography8030]

Great review. I used my Tarptent in Iceland and u are right. Wind is the toughest thing in Iceland. Tarptent went really weel, but there were a few rough nights.

[@MrGyr0]

Great review. And don't mess with the storm god ! haha

[@stevepayne2795]

Well done, thanks for the post

[@leonderprofi7269]

Nicccccce and authentic Video, thanks!

[@TheNormsta]

Thank you for keeping it real. I love the video will be subscribing for sure

[@Alpintiger]

I love that video, because of the great memories of Iceland and Hawaii. I am overwhelmed that one of my videos got over 100.000 clicks. That's huge for a small channel 😄

[@christianlewisphotography6910]

I also have a Hubba. It is a lightweight one, but is older model than your one. It still has the same amount of mesh on the inner tent. I have done kayak trips with it. Packs down so small and is simple to put up.

[@Maxwell-wg7sk]

Great video! Thanks 🇨🇦

[@Cheetah7jg]

Sehr gutes Video, danke :)

[@rustoration4199]

So funny, love how the wind suddenly raged when you said it wasn't too windy at 5:15 haha

[@uffa00001]

At 6:05, one could have put the rucksack on its side along the lower edge of the tent, thus relieving the mesh from the stress, and repairing the tent better from wind and dust entering from below the rain fly. Thanks for the genuine review, I am fed up with hidden advertisements.

[@tuntavern5757]

You'd make for a great partner in life and travel....I admire your spirit.

[@scottsmith1557]

An Alftavatn wind storm killed my Big Agnes tent and now I’m looking for another one. Good to know that the Hubba can hold up to the winds at Alftavatn! Thanks!

[@Alpintiger]

Oh man, I have no doubt that winds at Alftavatn kill tents on a regular base. The hills there act like a wind funnel. Big Agnes is a tent with good rating. It's all a question how big the storm is and it will flaten anything.

[@jasonmills3503]

Good job. Thank you.

[@sfgirly64]

I watch a lot of hiker videos, have never commented or subscribed to any but yours are great! Maybe being a chef myself makes it very impressive you truly enjoy cooking real food outdoors in the backcountry, brava! My girlfriend is going to start calling me Alpinlooser if I don't get my act together on the trail meals. I ❤️ Kauai! So great you got to do the coast, amazing. if you ever want to hike in the Sierra's look us up! I had to post on this video because it was hilarious calling out ALL those videos of tents in the garden, just too funny! Happy Hiking!

[@Alpintiger]

sf64....Oh I love cooking outdoors. It has to be said though, that on such multiday, demanding backpacking trips, with full gear and everything, the meal choices become....uhm, rather meager, LOL. Suddenly it is all about weight and pack volume. Usually at the end of such a trip I want to dive into the next salad bar and roll myself in it. I tend to loose about 2 kilos of weight on such physically demanding tours. Considering that I am already a feather weight with not much fat to loose. So far my body hasn't suffered any permanent damage from such adventures. The Sierras you say? Well....maybe watch the video snippets I just posted from my current tour. You might be able to guess my location. It's not the Sierras though, but not too far from it either :-)

[@sfgirly64]

I am guessing you are somewhere in the Grand Canyon? just a guess. . Hiking Mt. Whitney October 5-9, super excited! drop a line if your in the same zip code!

[@MrProphetius]

great content

[@Rupamforever]

Great Review. Thanks.

[@Alpintiger]

I am happy if you found it helpful :-)

[@jeromebraconnier1227]

Hi Tiger! Deinem Gesichtsausdruck zufolge hast Du jeden Moment drauf gewartet abzuheben ... :-) Aber gut, daß Du wieder gut zu Hause angekommen bist, ohne Erfrierungen an den Füßen oder sonst irgendwelche Blessuren von rutschigen Abstiegen, wie ich hoffe. Mit dem Zelt ist das so ein Kompromis. Für Hawaii sicherlich ideal mit dem Mesh- oder Moskito-Innenzelt und zurück geschlagener Außenhülle .... sieht auf dem Bild aus wie eine Isetta :-) In den windigen und regnerischen Regionen kommt es dann auf einen guten Schlafsack und Deine Isolation an. Ich hoffe es war dicht. Regen und Windlast sind noch mal eine eigene Nummer. Mir hat das Video gefallen und auch Deine Meinung dazu; wie Du schon sagst: es ist etwas anderes als das Teil bei angenehmem Wetter mal im Garten hinzustellen. Take care Jerome

[@Alpintiger]

LOL....ein bisschen mulmig war mir schon als da so eine Böe heran fegte.Dicht war das Zelt in jedem Fall, dass kann ich bestätigen. Auch nachdem es eine ganze Nacht durch geregnet hatte. Ich war gespannt wie sich die Sache bei Wind verhält. Da das Aussenzelt nicht ganz bis auf den Boden geht, sondern rundum eine handbreit Bodenabstand hat, zieht es da ordentlich rein. Hat man ja gesehen wie mir die Haare geflogen sind als ich das Innenzelt kurz aufmachte. Andererseits, wer will schon bei Sturm zelten? Ich habe dann auch immer ein bisschen darauf geachtet das Zelt mit der First Linie entsprechend der Windrichtung aufzustellen. Dumm nur wenn der Wind dreht... Verglichen mit meinem anderen, robusterem Zelt, viel mir sofort auf, dass das Hubba NX, keine Kondensationsprobleme hat. Das ist eben der Vorteil des luftigeren Designs. Das dünne Material trocknet ausserdem sehr schnell ab. An dem einen Morgen war das Zelt aussen klatschnass vom nächtlichen Regen. Ich habe die meiste Feuchtigkeit mit einem Tuch abgewischt, so gut das eben ging, aber dann kam die Sonne raus. Als ich alle anderen Sachen verpackt und im Rucksack hatte, war das Aussenzelt schon trocken. Am Ende hat das Hubba NX den Isländischen Wind und Regen auf dieser Tour gut überstanden.

[@richardblackdog3966]

I agree, raw and unscripted is the best. Thanks for doing a great review!

[@Alpintiger]

I am still working on coming across as less raw and a little more cultivated. Instead, I succeed at involuntary hillarious :-) Glad you enjoyed my video.

[@adhyfahmisai4629]

harga tendanya berapaan

[@Bikepacking]

very cool

[@maximilianocosta6791]

I have the same backpack, Lowe Alpine - Cerro Torre, it's indestructible, greatings!

[@Alpintiger]

Hah, funny you are saying its indestructible. I have this backpack over 15 years and it has been on many adventures and seen some very hard wear and tear. Lately I was looking for a new one, but this Cerro Torre just won't break. I wish it would break, so I could finally buy a new one. LOL

[@Sykkra]

thank you. its great to get a review from someone who actually used the tent. i am very confused by all of these brands leaving 15-20 cm of space from the ground to the fly. seems like not much of a weight difference to actually block the wind.

[@kobold90]

That gap is part of the design and guarantees a constant airflow. This system is solely used for 3-season tents which are used in warm areas. Pro: It guarantees a constant airflow and reduces condensation. Con: It guarantees a constant airflow and reduces temperature. You don't need vents which saves weight and you still have more air flowing compared to a tent wich a rainfly which goes down to the floor. Vents can't replace these gaps with vents. But on the other hands, vents can get closed.

[@tuberider1171]

great comparison.. you do get around.. Hawaii then Iceland.. you've demonstrated that it's not suitable in strong windy environments .. something I found out myself in mine .. it's ok in warmer environments.. my only gripe is the mess is too fine .. which is common to other tents .. I mean it's too fine to allow a breeze in humid conditions .. as you said the mesh blocks the wind to a large extent as shown by your hair flying around with the inner tent open compared to closed I'm on the hunt for a light weight 4 season tent.. Preferably free standing for those times one's in sandy soils I look forward to your next trip

[@williamcortes183]

Qué linda carpa y muy fácil de armar yo quiero una

[@jnagtube]

yep. i think ill get this tent (or whatever never version they have of it)

[@waynediffin7225]

when you pitch the tent on the rain sheet.. where you pegged it down.. there are little red grommits, they actually connect over the poles. this way you need less pegs and less weight as a result. its also more secure and stops your rain sheet from being blown away in higher winds. :) hope that helps

[@Alpintiger]

You probybly mean the little red grommits of the outer tent? Yes, those fit over the end of the poles. I have done that at places where I couldn't put pegs into the ground.

[@michaelfox9750]

Thanks for that review. I'm thinking of taking my new MSR Hubba Hubba NX2 to iceland for the same trail. It's held up under some pretty strong winds already! Just wonder why you didn't guy down the tent

[@cyclingwithkiwi3956]

good video .

[@Alpintiger]

Glad you liked it.

[@SergioRestovich]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@waynediffin7225]

also to dry clothing. trap them under your armpits while sitting about, your body heat will dry them, same at night. trap them in your tent, it keeps clothing warm and prevents them freezing and also drys them out

[@Alpintiger]

I usually dry damp clothing by sticking them into the foot end of my sleeping bag. Along with other stuff that needs to be kept warm, like batteries or some electronics.

[@fbrams]

To dry the outer fly, I prefer to take it of completely, hold it above the head and walk/stand with it 2-3 Minutes in the wind.

[@A_Blue_1]

Thanx for an informative video. Agree on the garden reviews.😊 I know this is an old video, but i need ask: in the wind - did you utilize ALL available tie-outs ? 🤔

[@Alpintiger]

It amazes me that this video still draws so much interest. Yes, it is a bit old, isn't it :-) I did use all tie-outs in Iceland and Hawaii, where I encountered strong gusts. This tent doesn't have a lot of extra tie-outs. But hey, I haven't been flying away with it yet. I assume the thing would collaps down on my, rather than sending me rolling head over heels across the campground.

[@Christian-qs3pi]

Excellent preview. I am considering this tent so it was good to see you it in testing conditions,and good to see you inside as it shows the room inside and inside the vestibule. I live in the uk so how it handles tougher weather is important. Also I prefer a tent with more ventilation. Its obviously a few years since you did this review, so how did it perform overall in that time,and do you still use it ? Thanks, Michael

[@Alpintiger]

As it is an expensive piece of gear I handled it carefully and it held up well. Yes, the video is a few years old. I haven't been camping the last two years. Actually, I haven't been traveling much those last two years 😄. With a pandemic going on and such things. I'd love to do some bicycle touring next summer and do camping again. Hopefully then my little tent will see some daylight, rather than being shut away in the gear box.

[@Micha196623]

Hallo Alpintiger, die Stimmung im Zelt kommt gut rüber. Beeindruckend wie das Mesh den Wind abhält. Das Zelt gefällt mir gut, und das Gewicht ist super. Wie siehts denn bei Regen aus, mit dem Aufbau? Kannst du zuerst die Aussenhülle aufspannen? Dein Englisch ist sehr gut, hört sich zumindest so an. Gut Pfad, Micha

[@Alpintiger]

Gute Frage, dass mit dem Aufbau im Regen. Ich weiss das es möglich ist bei dem Hubby NX nur das Aussenzelt aufzustellen. Wie das geht habe ich noch nicht heraus gefunden. Womöglich braucht man dazu den "Footprint"? Das Teil habe ich mir aber nicht dazu gekauft, weil ich es unverschämt teuer fand, für so ein bisschen dünne Unterlegplane mit Ösen dran. Wenn das Aussenzelt erst mal sicher steht, dann lässt sich das Innenzelt von innen einhängen. In Island musste ich es mal im Regen abbauen. Das war ein ziemliches Gefummel und nervig bis ich das Innenzelt heraus hatte. Der Rest hat dann die Grätsche gemacht und ist mir über dem Kopf zusammengefallen. Wenigstens konnte ich das Innenzelt trocken verpacken :/

[@davidhale1568]

Similar to the big Agnes copper spur, my opinion for what it's worth is these tents are likely to struggle in unsheltered storm or winter conditions at high northern latitudes tho great in summer.

[@Alpintiger]

I agree with you. To be fair, they advertise it as a lightweight, three-season tent. By design it is neither an expedition nor a winter tent. I have used it on a fine winter day. It did well enough.

[@michaelstopa1446]

Hello, thanks for the video. What’s your thoughts on putting up the tent inner first? Did you have issues in rain? Thanks

[@Alpintiger]

The standard set-up requires to set up the inner tent first. Only when you have bought the ground cloth (footprint), you can set up the outer tent first, then hang the inner tent inside. It requires a bit of acrobatic crawling around, but it is do-able. Plus, you can use the outer tent alone, as a rather spacious single-wall shelter. The original MSR Hubba NX footprint is ridiculous expensive for 2 square meter of plastic sheet! Without it you will find it nearly impossible to set up the outer tent first. I set up the tent in light rain. I had no footprint and had to start with the inner tent. I was very fast, but got some rain drops into the inner tent. If it had been a stronger rain, the inner tent would have gotten considerably wet inside, before I was able to throw the outer tent over it. I later bought the footprint. I experienced some light rain, which was going on all night and a short, but stormy summer downpour in this tent and I had no issues at all. I hope this helps.

[@mikkelmortensen9891]

Thanks for a great review. I am very courious of how water resistent it is? And why do you use the sheet under the tent? Is it necesarry or just extra protection? Thanks :)

[@Alpintiger]

The tent did well in a nightlong drizzle and survived a short, but very windy summer thunder storm. I the sheet under the tent floor as extra protection. I meanwhile got the MSR footprint for that tent. With the footprint I can set up the outer tent as a light and fast bivy. Plus, when it rains I can set up the outer tent first, then clip the inner tent into it.

[@WildHikesTV]

Ich verwende das Hubba NX auch schon eine ganze Weile und ich bin mit dem Zelt eigentlich sehr zufrieden. Aktuell bin ich auf der Suche nach einem Zelt mit etwas mehr Raum für den Winter und hier stehen das MSR Access 2 und das Fjällräven Abisko Shape 2 zur Auswahl. Eigentlich war das MSR Access 2 mein Favorit aber auch dort geht die Außenhülle nicht bis zum Boden runter. Gerade für ein Winterzelt ist das meiner Meinung nach vollkommen unverständlich und ich bin mir echt nicht sicher, ob das Teil einen richtigen Sturm im Winter standhält. Auf der anderen Seite ist es fast 1kg leichter im Vergleich zum Absiko. 🤔 LG Sascha

[@Alpintiger]

Hallo Sascha. Das Hubba NX wird, so weit ich weiss, von MSR als 3 Saison Zelt verkauft. Ich selbst würde mir damit auch Winter Camping zutrauen, da ich, wie bereits gesagt, mehr Wert auf den richtigen Schlafsack lege. Um Zugluft zu blockieren, würde ich rundum einen zwei bis drei Hände hohen Schneewall um das Aussenzelt aufwerfen. Das Hubba NX ist als ausgesprochenes Leichtgewichtszelt konzipiert. Das Material ist entsprechend gewichtsoptimiert und dünn, was, ganz klar, irgendwie auch auf Kosten der Robustheit geht. Gilt das gleiche auf für das MSR Access 2 von dem du erzählt hast? Wirklich sturmfeste Zelte (Kategorie: Expeditionszelt) sind entsprechend schwer gebaut. Entweder müssen das die angeheurten Scherpas tragen, oder es wird mit dem Auto oder Helikopter transportiert. Für meine Trekking Abenteuer brauchte ich aber ein Leichtgewichtszelt. Ich bin selbst nur eine halbe Portion und kann nicht so schwer schleppen wie die meisten, durchschnittlich gebauten Männer. Ist halt immer so ein Kompromiss, nicht wahr? Wer geht schon im Schneesturm campen? Na ja, wir haben das gemacht, in Wyoming: 16 Tage mit Ski und Packschlitten im Backcountry. Dort hatten wir aber nur Tarps, die wir halb im Schnee eingegraben haben. Zwei Tage mussten wir im Blizzard aussitzen, aber da hatten wir uns Schneehöhlen gegraben und sahen dem Sturm gelassen entgegen. Da hätte es auch viele 4-Saison Zelte zerlegt, ausser den echten Expeditionszelte eben.

[@Alpintiger]

Hey....cooler Kanal übrigens. Habe ich jetzt abonniert.

[@WildHikesTV]

Das Hubba NX ist sicherlich bedingt auch im Winter nutzbar aber es trägt einfach nur eine geringe Schneelast. Bei in in Tirol fallen im Januar / Februar gern mal 20cm oder mehr in einer Nacht und ich denke das ist für das Hubba einfach too much. Das Access ist quasi eine für den Winter optimierte Version des Hubba. Sprich ... die Mesh-Anteile wurden massiv reduziert und es gibt ein zusätzliches Quergestänge um die Schneelast abzufangen. Darüber hinaus besteht das Gestänge aus einem leichten Verbundmaterial das fast unzerstörbar ist. Vom Gewicht her liegt die 2 Personen - Ausführung nur bei 1,6 kg 😳

[@Alpintiger]

Ein 2 Personenzelt mit nur 1.6 kilo...?! So viel leichter kann man das wohl kaum bekommen. Das mit der Schneelast stimmt. Ich bin mal aufgewacht, mit dem Zelt einen fingerbreit über der Nasenspitze. Und da lag kaum mehr als ein fingerbreit Schnee drauf. LOL. Das war ein etwas älteres Tunnelzelt. Ich hatte mir nicht die Mühe gemacht das ordentlich abzuspannen. Mit Schnee hatte ich nicht gerechnet.

[@user-fd8fx3uo4i]

Enjoyed this review. Your nx1 has 4 additional storm guy points? In uk it has one by the vent.

[@Alpintiger]

Are you sure yours doesn't have those 4 guy points?? I am surprised. In those windy conditions in Iceland those 4 guy lines were a must-have.

[@christinamueller6851]

Just wondering how the tent does with strong and prolonged rain, like heavy rain all night long? I bought it recently but mainly for use in very hot / dry areas. For windy and / or wet areas I've been using the Hilleberg Nallo. It's got a water column of 5000 mm, whereas the MSR Hubba NX only has 1200 mm. I have used the MSR in rain a couple of times, but only light rain and not throughout the whole night. Would be very interested in your experience as I'd rather carry the MSR on backpacking trips rather than the Hilleberg. It's quite a bit heavier - surprise, surprise ;-) . Thanks!

[@Alpintiger]

That's a tricky question. Depending on how strong the strong rain is and how long it lasts it will trash any tent. At least when talking about backpacking tents, which are designed to be lightweight. I think you have the answer right there: a textil designed to withstand 5000 mm water column will keep you dry for longer than one that only has a 1200 mm water column. It's that easy. And I sure envy you for your Hilleberg ;-) I have been using the MSR Hubba in rain and windy conditions and did not have a problem with it. I wasn't in the middle of a hurricane though. I experienced a light drizzle going on all night in Iceland, a short but hefty downpour in the Grand Canyon and a misty veil of ocean spray on Hawaii and . If I were on a backpacking trip and suddenly a hard, driving rain set in and lasting for days, I wouldn't want to stay in a tiny backpacking tent, no matter what water column it has. At the end of your day you'd crawl into your tiny tent, with your wet clothing and gear and absolutly no space to dry your stuff. In the morning you'd pack your soaking wet tent into the backpack and then pressure and friction would rub the water into everything that's inside your backpack. Takes only two days and it turns into sheer misery. Been there, done that, thank you...I'd rather bug out on the shortest route or book myself into a solid shelter. If you expect lots of rain on your adventure definetly go for the 5000 mm water column. Or...choose the spiritual experience of 1200 mm, since nothing teaches you more about your resilience in adverse conditions than sitting in an itsy-bitsy tiny tent, soaking wet and shivering, while contemplating failure and defeat.

[@briansantuchi6759]

If yo don't put that extra protection in the floor those the floor gets wet if it rains?

[@ikkeniikkewel]

How is setting up the tent in the rain?

[@mikejoegoad5146]

I just have one question: how'd you get your tent stakes and poles on an airplane?

[@Alpintiger]

I got it on the airplanes without any problems at all. In the checked-in luggage. Like the rest of my camping gear: hiking poles, knifes, forks, scissors, stoves...

[@jonnytentpeg]

Ps. do apologise thank you for the vid 😀👍

[@hoser7706]

Why do you attach the fly to your pegs and not to the pole tips? Cool scenery. Epic trips!

[@Alpintiger]

I could hook it to the poles. I attached it to pegs instead, so that I can pull the fly away as far as possible from the inner tent walls. Although for stability in the windy conditions.

[@user-yz9kp9rl1t]

you have very good Englishi

[@ashpowell9451]

How are you finding it in the longer term? I'm looking to buy one and wonder about durability. Thanks!

[@Alpintiger]

This tent has taken some beating, wind, sand and sea water spray, but still holding up. The fly got a tiny puncture wound near the zipper. I don't know how that happened. I'll have to fix this with some tape. The material is very thin, because the tent is optimized to be a lightweight tent. I treat it with care and it hasn't let me down yet.

[@GUFSZ]

Zu Island. Ich habe mir die Kleidung angesehen, die Du im Zelt an hattest. Ich hatte bei meiner Radreise in Island das Vergnügen einen Tag und Nacht bei 0 Grad in einem robusteren Zelt (Exped Venus II Extreme) verbringen zu müssen. Ich musste nicht mit voller Montur in den Schlafsack. Kann es sein, dass man in kalten Regionen, das gesparte Zeltgewicht in Klamotten mitnehmen muss?

[@Alpintiger]

Das Zelt spielt keine Rolle. Der richtige Schlafsack und die Isomatte machen bei Kälte den ganz großen Unterschied. Wir haben schon Tarps zum Wintercamping benutzt oder gleich ganz in der selbstgebauten Schneehöhle übernachtet (kannst Dir mein Video "Building a Quinzee" anschauen kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3nSkmCsrtireaM ). Mit einem fetten Winterschlafsack kein Problem. Für den Island Trip hatte ich mich bewusst für den leichteren und kleineren Schlafsack entschieden und eingeplant, ein paar Klamotten mehr anzuziehen, falls es kälter wird. So bin ich flexibler. Einen Schlafsack kann ich nur als Schlafsack benutzten - eine leichte Daunenjacke kann ich auch tagsüber mal anziehen, oder eben Nachts im Schlafsack, um ein paar extra Wärmegrad zu gewinnen. Das war in Island nur in einer einzigen Nacht notwendig geworden.

[@pimpshark]

The middle curved pole needs to go above the main cross pole. I’m not sure, but it looked like you might have put it under the main cross pole. Incorrect position of that short middle pole will affect the structural integrity of the tent.

[@Alpintiger]

I was not aware that it had to go above the main pole and that it might affect the structural integrety. Thank you for the remark 👍👍

[@pimpshark]

@@Alpintiger it’s a very common mistake. Almost everyone does it the wrong way until they are shown or told. 🤙

[@Alpintiger]

@@pimpshark Meanwhile I got the MSR Elixir and I specifically checked the set-up manual, whether the red pole should go over the silver pole on the crossing point, but there is no such instruction. Maybe it doesn't matter with the Elixir. I would have to check the set-up manual of the Hubba NX, but I don't remember if the position of the middle pole was specified 🤔Nevetheless, I see the sense as why to place it above the main cross pole.

[@pimpshark]

@@Alpintiger Watch this video from around 1 minute onwards. He contacted MSR and they told him the correct way to pitch the tent for maximum structural integrity. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX2udp9jrcyXm9E

[@Lobo-dp4bi]

Hi ich habe da eine Frage wie macht es sich bei Regen in manchen Videos sicht man das die Nächte nicht so gut geklebt sind und wie ist die zeltwanne bei Regen! Danke schon mal für die Antwort :)

[@Alpintiger]

Ich hatte das Zelt ein paar mal im Regen stehen. Unterschiedliche Situationen: nächtlicher Nieselregen bis kurzes, heftiges Sommergewitter. Die Nähte waren dicht und die Zeltwanne auch. Allerdings hatte mein Hubba NX noch nie tagelangen Dauerregen überstehen müssen oder Wasser das sich unter dem Zeltboden staute. Bei meinem altem Zelt gab es da Probleme.

[@Lobo-dp4bi]

@@Alpintiger danke für die Antwort und guten Rutsch:)

[@Alpintiger]

@@Lobo-dp4bi Frohe Weihnachten und einen Guten Rutsch :-)

[@aloneinmypresence]

You got a dark green rainfly, mine is light grey. Just curious.

[@Alpintiger]

I had expected that the green fly would make the tent dark, but the material is so thin, I neither found it dark inside nor that everything got an unpleasent green hue.

[@robalan57]

I heard the American version is grey and Europe is green. Both versions use to be available in the USA but the green was dropped because of a lack of interest.

[@marcmaclellan3503]

hello did it leak as watched other video and they put a hose on it and it leaked at the top ..thanks for a great review

[@Alpintiger]

uhm ... they put a hose on the tent??? Why! I have used this tent for winter camping on snow, sat in it during a thunder storm and deluge in the Grand Canyon, slept in very windy and rainy conditions in Iceland and got sprayed with ocean salt water on Hawaii ... nope, it didn't leak. I haven't used this tent in a garden centre or a carwash yet. If I ever do, I shall submit a full project report with the results.

[@andrewlinesjah4538]

Have you tried the Zeepacks Duplex , the one with the slightly heavier dyneema which weighs about an ounce more than the regular Zeepacks Duplex tent ?

[@Alpintiger]

Nope, I am afraid not. I am not one of those who get tons of gear for testing and reviewing. The gear I have is what I use on tours. So no, I haven't tried and can't tell anything about the Zeepacks Duplex.

[@andrewlinesjah4538]

Can you please research Zpacks tents and give me your opinion of the tent/s you use in comparison to your perceptions of Zpacks tents ...

[@andrewlinesjah4538]

Watch the video in the link below : kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpe4kpaGjdKal6M

[@Alpintiger]

Well, it would be a second hand opinion if I based my judgement of gear - which I have never used - on other peoples findings. Here on KZbin you will find plenty of gear review videos about Zeepack Duplex. From people who really own this tent and have used it.

[@andrewlinesjah4538]

No it would not be seconda hand . Because your opinions would then be based on your experienced insight of their first hand experience . Your experienced point of view in the hiking world counts !

[@Chicago_Bikepacker]

Wish mine came with a green fly!

[@Alpintiger]

I am curious. Do you have the grey fly? Is it you just don't like the colour or is there some real disadvantage?

[@brentblackwolf6325]

The cover rings are to be attached to the poles not to the nails

[@Meexxpower]

I am preparing my trekking gear at the moment and I'mlooking for a decent tent. In March the Western Highland way is due and later in 2019 the Traumpfad. I am thinking about getting either the hubba hubba or the salewa litetrek. Not too sure which one to choose

[@Alpintiger]

I know how that feels - at the end I had my choice of tents narrowed down to two. I went for the Hubba NX. I just looked at the Salewa Litetrek. I noticed that the outer and inner tent are raised up in one go. If it rains, the inner tent doesn't get wet, when the tent is set up or taken down. That's a plus for the Litetrek then. With the Hubba NX it is possible to set up the outer tent first, but...only if you have the footprint, which is disgustingly expensive, considering it is just a plastic sheet. What I love about the Hubba is that I can pull the fly half back and then sleep with a view at the stars. Should the weather change, the fly can be pulled back down in one swift movement :-)

[@Alpintiger]

Traumpfad? I am planning a 2019 trip in that general area for bicycle touring.

[@azclaimjumper]

I've read many of the replies B4 composing mine. I especially like your review of this tent in real outdoor weather. Please, how many guyout lines can be pitched. You said nothing about guying out those lines in windy conditions which is exactly when guyout lines should be pitched. Guyout lines will make the top of the tent more stable in gusty windy conditions.

[@Alpintiger]

I don't remember how many guyline points this tent has, but I remember that it has relatively few. At least one on each side. That I know for sure. Makes a total of four guy lines. Perhaps that's enough, for such a small tent. It didn't fly away yet :-)

[@nickco777]

In the UK I'd never consider buying a tent that can't be easily pitched fly first, and nor should you unless of course you like being wet.

[@dylanwynroberts]

Also do you find the flysheet touching the inner in the wind and rain?

[@Alpintiger]

Nope, not normally. There were a couple of gusts in Iceland and I did not find the flysheet touching the inner tent.

[@dylanwynroberts]

That's interesting. I have just go one of these tents and one night the wind was hitting the side (or back) of the tent and it was pushing the outer onto the inner. Maybe it was just the way I pitched it!

[@Alpintiger]

I'd say it's only a question how strong the wind is. A gently breeze won't do harm, but strong gusts, particulare when they are hitting the side, will flaten any tent. I got some short strong gusts in Iceland, but they didn't pose any problem. I also got rain on the tent. Once the fabric gets wet, it may become a little floppy and hang through. Tighten the guylines. The fabric reacts to temperature change and moisture. This is normal.

[@dagaki.expedition]

It's possible to setup the tent while raining?

[@Alpintiger]

Well, one problem is, that the standart procedure is to set up the inner tent first. If you have to do that in the rain, than you get your inner tent went. Through the mesh it will rain right into it. With great difficultiy it is possible to set up the out tent first, than hang in the inner tent. It will require some acrobatics. I hope you are young, fit and lithe. Then there is the option top buy the footprint and with that, yes, it is possible and relatively easy to set up the outer tent first, before hanging in the inner tent. You can even use the outer tent as a free standing basic shelter. But....it has to be said, if you buy the MSR footprint, you will pay an absolutly ridiculous amount of money for this 2 square meter of nylon sheet. I think the price tag is outrages. Yes, I bought the footprint, so that I can set my tent up in the rain and as an extra protection layer.

[@KapitanPoop]

wind and heavy rain... this is why u suck it up and buy an Elixir 2 and add 700 grams extra weight (ironically her set up weighs more than an Elixir 2 because Elixir 2 comes with a ground sheet includes and her tarp is heavy and too big for the tent foot print ( will look water under tent in rain)

[@oldunion]

I like that fly, how do I get a green rainfly!?

[@Alpintiger]

This tent is available with a rainfly either in green or in light grey. If you go to an outdoor store they should be able to order it in which ever colour of those two you choose.

[@oldunion]

Thanks, I am finding in the USA only grey is available, any online retailers you'd suggest? Particularly ones with the best price?

[@Alpintiger]

Seriously? I mean MSR is an American brand. Weird. Why wouldn't they sell the green fly in the US? If the outdoor stores can't order it for you, than I really don't know what else you can do. ...mmm, unless, maybe you plan a trip to Europe and buy it there?

[@jonnytentpeg]

Hi there sorry for the long distance comment I was just wondering when the wind was blowing was the outer tent touching the inner tent just asking because I'm seriously just about to buy one now atb can you get back to me on this

[@Alpintiger]

Honestly, I don't remember if the outer tent was touching the inner tent in that particulare scene, when the wind blew against it. Two things I dare say: 1) at normal set-up, the outer and inner wall do not touch, 2) I asume, it is a question of how "strong" a wind is blowing, before any tent will collapse. I don't remember having any issues with this tent in the kind of weathers shown in this video. I hope this information helps you.

[@jonnytentpeg]

@@Alpintiger That's brilliant thanks for your reply and your vid atb😀👍

[@eduardosepulveda437]

Any approximated idea about what temperature and wind was that? Super complementary video! Vielen Dank.

[@Alpintiger]

Hey Eduardo I had one of those tiny thermometer hanging inside my tent, because I was curious myself. The temps at night usually fell below 10°C, some nights at around 5°C. I don't think the temperature ever fell below freezing (0°C), not even outside the tent.

[@eduardosepulveda437]

Thank you very much. I asked you cose I was wondering if the tent would be enough to similar conditions in Patagonia. Iceland look very similar sometimes... I thought mesure could be the best way to compare. At least lower temperatures seem similar in good season, not winter/fall. I'm not sure about the wind though...What do you think about?

[@Alpintiger]

Actually in Iceland someone else pointed it out to me, that with the outer fly relatively high up from the ground, wind can easily blow underneath and create a draft. Plus there aren't a whole lot of extra tie lines to stake it down. I had no problem with this tent in Iceland. It performed very well in the rain and handled the gusty wind. It sure would have withstood winds a few degrees stronger than that, but....it has to be said, this is a tent aiming for ultralight backpacking. Means, all materials are relatively thin. Sooo....it wouldn't be my tent of choice for extrem weather conditions. Patagonia...uuh, that's a difficult question. It can be very windy? And strong winds too? In your case, can you try to find someone who has been touring Patagonia and ask them what tent they used? Well that's what I would do: aks someone who has been there. I have never been to Patagonia. It's still on my wish list :-)

[@eduardosepulveda437]

Thanks a lot again :)

[@eduardosepulveda437]

I never been to Iceland and is in my wishlist too. Might Icelandic wind would be like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmnGoaGEl7Zgg6M ?

[@dylanwynroberts]

Why didn’t you connect the outer flysheet to the ends of the pole?

[@Alpintiger]

mmm...? I am pretty sure I did. Can you tell me the precise time (min/sec) in the video when you spotted this?

[@dylanwynroberts]

@@Alpintiger Hi, at 9:42 in the video.

[@Alpintiger]

It was really warm weather and I pulled the outer flysheet back for better ventilation and also because I love the view. I particulare love this feature and used this set-up frequently in warm, dry weather. Should the weather get cold or wet, than pulling the flysheetback back over the tent and hooking it in at the end of the poles is super quickly and easyily done.

[@leonderprofi7269]

Mal eben von Island nach Hawaii spaziert :-D

[@Alpintiger]

Das war ein ziemlich besonders Jahr. Dafür sitze ich dieses Jahr fest, weil meine Touren abgesagt sind :-D

[@clayguinard3651]

Did you bicycle Hawaii?

[@Alpintiger]

No, i didn't bicycle Hawaii, but I was tempted. I heard there are some cool bicycle tours. The trip to Hawaii was one of my hiking and backpacking adventure. It was fantastic. Incredible.

[@jacobtaylor4258]

i dont like two layer tent set up, but thanks for a great vid.

[@southerntrekker]

What kind of hiking pants are you wearing?

[@Alpintiger]

You mean the pants I wore in Iceland? Those are from Fjällräven, model Karla, zip-off. Those are the pants I am currently wearing for most of my adventures.

[@southerntrekker]

Alpintiger Yes those. Thank you for your reply. I will try to get me a pair. They look strong and durable and I love the big pockets.

[@Alpintiger]

I have to report that as of today this is the third (!) Fjällräven pants my butt has burst through the seams. I don't know how long I have been walking around town before I found the rear seam was wide open. I thought people were turning their heads because I looked so sweet today. Instead it was my ass hanging out of the pants. It's the third time this happened with a Fjällräven pants!!

[@southerntrekker]

Alpintiger Oh NO!! 😩😩

[@Alpintiger]

Don't worry, I have another pants with me. Uuuh wait...its another Fjällräven!! [Goes to the bathroom to check the seams]

[@alexanderpetrov7899]

Wrong setup of the tent !!!!! The short "top cross pole" should be on top, needs to be flipped around to be the highest pole. that greatly increases stability.

[@sebastianforbes1]

mesh is not lighter, but it is cheaper... DCF is a perfect example to prove this ?..

[@programroom689]

9:28 uuu You are shaved :PPP

[@Alpintiger]

I never shave. I shed my winter coat before summer. That's all.

[@jackblack5246]

Wrongly pitched. The cross bar sits on top of the rest of the structure facing UP. The tent is not properly pitched.

[@user-uf5ek2kn7e]

何言ってるか分からないけど👍

[@outdoorfreak0073]

hi , also du siehst nicht wirklich glück aus in deinem leichtzelt. ich hatte mir dieses auch schon mehrmals angeschaut und nur vom gefühl her wäre es für ein 3 jahreszeiten zelt , was aber für regenfreie und windfreie zeit bei entsprechenden temp tauglicher ist .vg micha

[@Alpintiger]

So weit ich weiss verkauft MSR das Hubba NX auch als 3 Jahreszeiten Zelt. Ich selbst würde mir zutrauen damit auch im Winter Camping zu machen. Wir haben im Winter schon unter Tarps, in Einwandzelten und Schneehöhlen übernachtet. Beim Winter Camping ist für mich die Wahl des richtigen Schlafsack viel entscheidender. Insgesamt hat das Hubba NX den Wind und Regen in Island gut gemeistert. Auch nach einer ganzen Regennacht bin ich im Zelt trocken geblieben. Bis auf die Feuchtigkeit die ich mit nasser Kleidung selbst ins Zelt hinein geschleppt habe. Und wie ich im Video sagte, es war zwar ordentlich windig, mit einzelnen kräftigen Böen, aber einem echten Sturm musste ich nicht standhalten. Das würde mir, glaube ich, auch in fast jedem anderen Zelt mulmig werden ;)

[@buzerantpojebanec3926]

this is crap tent i can see so the wind can easily get in ! no protection at all waste money!