MSSP - Shane Gillis On Vietnam, France, Patton, & Domino Effect..

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@JarthenGreenmeadow
@JarthenGreenmeadow 8 ай бұрын
Referring to Imperial Japan in the 1940s as "They got a little wild" is so unhinged lol
@glovester
@glovester 6 ай бұрын
wheres the lie tho
@zeromathematics
@zeromathematics 6 ай бұрын
@@glovester Haha
@isaacshaver6218
@isaacshaver6218 4 ай бұрын
Not so much unhinged, but maybe a Lotta bit of an understatement
@Rangernewb5550
@Rangernewb5550 4 ай бұрын
1940s Germany was a little spicy
@sloshed-rat
@sloshed-rat 2 ай бұрын
Peasants in 1910's Russia were a bit miffed
@SpencerTheBard
@SpencerTheBard Жыл бұрын
I took a history course about the Vietnam War in college, got an A, and learned more about the war watching this video than I did the entire semester
@Broken_dish
@Broken_dish Жыл бұрын
cause school is just done so wrong its always dose history so dirty as a history lover i was always so disappointed how its taught and it has always made me wanna become a history teacher to fix this problem i have learned 99% of what i know in history outside of school its so crazy schools need major revamping in everyway possible
@ginandcreme
@ginandcreme 11 ай бұрын
@@Broken_dish Your passion can help the torch of change in the future
@fr0zdify
@fr0zdify 11 ай бұрын
Maybe you should've done a little more school to learn how to spell and punctuate lmao.@@Broken_dish
@Broken_dish
@Broken_dish 11 ай бұрын
@@fr0zdify not to mention you have 0 reason to feel proud of yourself for using yt comments like a school essay especially since in a few years some ai program will be doing all the writing for you monkey fingers i wonder how you will cope oh know i cant be a grammar nazi anymore my life is ruined nooooooo
@louisrobbins475
@louisrobbins475 10 ай бұрын
@@fr0zdify I wouldn't take advice from anyone who ends a sentence with lmao. Yes, that includes myself.
@christopherjones7513
@christopherjones7513 Жыл бұрын
We need Shane and Louis to do a regular history pod
@robert-maxbob
@robert-maxbob 8 ай бұрын
Or a Drunk History episode
@greenburg2276
@greenburg2276 8 ай бұрын
yeah needed that other guy to be like no america definitely werent the good guys lmfao. a book reader vs a ken burns listener. blaming france isa nuts we knew what they were doing we had interests in the region
@GuitarGuy4647
@GuitarGuy4647 10 ай бұрын
The M16 itself wasn’t the issue. The switch to cheap, dirty ammo and initial lack of cleaning kits provided to GI’s was.
@ZaptheZombie
@ZaptheZombie 7 ай бұрын
It was also just a poorly designed gun, and if you used certain types of ammo, even if it was good ammo, it would decrease the reliability of the weapon
@em3rican137
@em3rican137 7 ай бұрын
@@ZaptheZombiepoorly designed… nah
@ZaptheZombie
@ZaptheZombie 7 ай бұрын
@@em3rican137 if you go back and listen to literally any of the dudes who used those things when they first started rolling out, they hated them, and if you listen to why they hated them and look into why the gun behaved that way, you’ll go “why did they do it like that”. It was a gun that was prone to rust, jamming, and frankly breaking because it was a gun made for cheap out of plastic that needed to get cleaned constantly IN THE JUNGLE. They had to overhaul the design for anyone to actually want to use the thing
@Baxtermcballs
@Baxtermcballs 7 ай бұрын
They also told them it was some space-age future gun that they basically didn’t even have to clean
@braddywarbucks
@braddywarbucks 7 ай бұрын
​@@ZaptheZombieit's essentially the same weapon they use today. The problem was they didn't issue cleaning kits or train the men on how to operate them. Training consisted of taking the men to the edge of camp and have them shoot a magazine into the jungle. If you maintain any weapon properly and give it a lot of attention it will work in any climate. Like I said, the M-4 the military still uses is essentially the same rifle and it is deployed around the world.
@CaptCommandoXII
@CaptCommandoXII Жыл бұрын
My mom was born in '51 & she said in our hometown in Alabama there was a funeral literally every other weekend of someone she or my aunts/uncles knew. They were teens/early 20s seeing their friends being buried every other weekend.
@MarsLonsen
@MarsLonsen Жыл бұрын
Thats sucks in a very special way.
@Broken_dish
@Broken_dish Жыл бұрын
especially back then but even still kinda today the south has always been a huge part of active duty military
@acidpoptart4270
@acidpoptart4270 11 ай бұрын
Still the same today just for other reasons lol
@fettdestro4844
@fettdestro4844 10 ай бұрын
Glencoe?
@CaptCommandoXII
@CaptCommandoXII 10 ай бұрын
@@fettdestro4844 Gadsden
@B3FMandCProductions
@B3FMandCProductions Жыл бұрын
I was in Des Moines for work recently and saw a ton of Vietnamese restaurants. It seemed kind of random for a mid-sized Midwestern city, but I was told the governor at the time of the Vietnam War was staunchly anti-Communist and he welcomed in a ton of South Vietnamese once we pulled out. Kind of interesting (and I got the best bowl of pho I've ever had out of it)
@SIRSHANKSALOT12
@SIRSHANKSALOT12 11 ай бұрын
Same thing in Texas. Lots of South Vietnamese Refugees. Just like my pap
@angelgjr1999
@angelgjr1999 11 ай бұрын
In Georgia we have tons of refugees from the “secret war” in china.
@michaeljamesmccabe
@michaeljamesmccabe Жыл бұрын
I saw the original episode. This is a nice job on the editing of just the Vietnam conversation.
@Broken_dish
@Broken_dish Жыл бұрын
do you know what the full episode number is or how i can find it and is it worth watching the full video or is this the best part is the rest also on history or other stuff?
@michaeljamesmccabe
@michaeljamesmccabe Жыл бұрын
@@Broken_dish I recently went through their early episodes. Nice background noise while working. It's in one of the first 20 episodes. Not sure which one. They have a playlist on their YT channel.
@Broken_dish
@Broken_dish Жыл бұрын
@@michaeljamesmccabe ok thanks alot apricate it
@justaemail8311
@justaemail8311 8 ай бұрын
​@michaeljamesmccabe not even close to the first 20. It's episode 398 with Colin Quinn
@justaemail8311
@justaemail8311 8 ай бұрын
​@@Broken_dish Episode 398 with Colin Quinn
@kasperprime3479
@kasperprime3479 8 ай бұрын
I couldn't sleep last night and randomly fell into Shane clips talking about wars and holy shit I love it
@rexringtail471
@rexringtail471 10 ай бұрын
ADM Morrer's book 'Aircraft Carriers at War' is a *wild* history of naval aviation over Vietnam. USAF typically pilots would only do 1 tour in 'Nam, in the USN it was a 'fly till you die' thing, and the strike aviators by 1972 were some of the most unhinged dudes you can imagine, having survived almost a decade of daily flights over the world's deadliest AAA network.
@JacobScott-bh2pm
@JacobScott-bh2pm 7 ай бұрын
I actually love how Shane is so invested in history it’s actually dope asf 😂
@joshahhhyeah9993
@joshahhhyeah9993 5 ай бұрын
It's pretty amazing his instant recollection of some old ass history that's so close to us but no one knows.
@Naltddesha
@Naltddesha 8 ай бұрын
I can’t get enough of Matt and Shane’s history themed ‘casts. This cast was hotter than napalm
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 11 ай бұрын
The reason why people cared about Domino Theory in the 1950's and 60's, the reason Shane SHOULD care about Domino theory, is because between like 1958-1962, like 50 million Chinese people starved in the Great Leap Forward. The spread of communism was literally life and death in the 50's and 60's. Look at Cambodia, look at the Khmer Rouge, that is what people were afraid of.
@jimmyg5102
@jimmyg5102 11 ай бұрын
Nope the red scare was complete propaganda and fear mongering. Crazy how it is so deep rooted its even felt now. Was communism so scary that the US had to back regimes in the Philippines Brazil Vietnam that killed millions? Nope it'd about protecting US interests globally the domino theory was just a nice excuse.
@BeastReview
@BeastReview 10 ай бұрын
Yea buts it’s there problem
@FvkcYoutubeCensorship
@FvkcYoutubeCensorship 10 ай бұрын
However, the Viet Kong were the primary military that combatted the Khmer Rouge.
@kulio1214
@kulio1214 10 ай бұрын
Southeast Asia is abundant with natural resources
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 10 ай бұрын
@@kulio1214 Is Greece? What about Afghanistan? Do you think America support Osama Bin Laden in the 80's because we wanted access to Afghanistan's poppy fields? That's not how America fights it's wars. We weren't in Iraq for oil, that makes no sense. It's a meme that only teenagers think is true.
@frankcrosby6222
@frankcrosby6222 11 ай бұрын
Listening to a few comedians demonstrate more knowledge and nuance on history and war than any mainstream news media or common liberal arts university graduate can ever hope to grasp, is both delightful and terrifying at the same time.
@haljordan4358
@haljordan4358 7 ай бұрын
Well shane has a degree in history
@hahajones
@hahajones 7 ай бұрын
Eff off with the “liberal arts” bullshite. How many Christian Universities are out there truth telling? Enough with the f¥cking politics…Jesus
@Jimmeh417
@Jimmeh417 7 ай бұрын
That's a pretty stupid statement, considering Shane has a liberal arts degree.
@Irishprice1
@Irishprice1 5 ай бұрын
I would argue that thats just straight up not true. I studied history and politics in Europe at the oldest liberal uni in the Netherlands........... I know my shit when it comes to history.
@nicthemickatx
@nicthemickatx 4 ай бұрын
These dudes are more knowledgeable than most of the politicians in this country. At least they wouldn't strip away liberties from the people. Could you imagine Shane being Trump's press secretary? That's be the sickest shit ever. He could just do Trump's voice when he quotes Trump. Bruh...
@ryangalinat952
@ryangalinat952 Жыл бұрын
My grandfather was in World War II in the Battle of the Bulge he always told me that Patton was very brave with other people's lives, he didn't like that mother f***** either
@Ajm52284
@Ajm52284 10 ай бұрын
I mean, not like he knew him
@timothypalmer-ot7bf
@timothypalmer-ot7bf 10 ай бұрын
Met this super old guy at the American Legion when I was a kid that was in one of Pattons units. He told me “they called him blood and guts, but it was always our blood and his guts” seems to be a common theme with his soldiers not liking him.
@SmokesKwazukii
@SmokesKwazukii 9 ай бұрын
@@Ajm52284 he was under his command bro. Patton was notoriously a massive asshole.
@HanSoloxcs
@HanSoloxcs 6 ай бұрын
So believable.
@miketrujillo3677
@miketrujillo3677 3 ай бұрын
​@@HanSoloxcsstah wahs
@paulfirenze7213
@paulfirenze7213 Жыл бұрын
Guys this is fantastic. Thank you Colin for being there!
@whiteperson1742
@whiteperson1742 10 ай бұрын
All I heard was more reasons to blame the French and I love it haha 😂
@infantjones
@infantjones 10 ай бұрын
Colin is wrong on the M14-M16 thing, M14 was less reliable, M16 in early introduction was sabotaged by the Ordnance Board who wanted to keep the M14, but still troops generally liker the M16.
@andersmogensen2819
@andersmogensen2819 Жыл бұрын
I love this - its like toddlers explaining gravity to eachother
@iamnewb9525
@iamnewb9525 11 ай бұрын
Said by the known intellectual anders mogensen
@nak3dxsnake
@nak3dxsnake 11 ай бұрын
Not really but that is a humorously absurd exaggeration
@andersmogensen2819
@andersmogensen2819 11 ай бұрын
@@nak3dxsnake you calling me a dumbass, a liar, or funny and insightful? Im feeling very conflicted about this answer
@sharmoutha
@sharmoutha 10 ай бұрын
@@andersmogensen2819youre an idiot
@xDOOM95
@xDOOM95 10 ай бұрын
@andersmogensen2819 you’re gay
@timdunlop-official-226
@timdunlop-official-226 10 ай бұрын
Please never edit a second of silence out. You guys just chillen is perfect man🔥
@d.iv.in.e
@d.iv.in.e 6 ай бұрын
full episodes on their real channel ! :)
@brucewaynebanner482
@brucewaynebanner482 Жыл бұрын
A lot of life waisted bc of our government not minding its own business
@BootJarhead
@BootJarhead Жыл бұрын
Just put a belt on it
@kingsdrumming
@kingsdrumming Жыл бұрын
Ya just random and for no reason. Sure lol
@jessed5057
@jessed5057 Жыл бұрын
Learn grammar and spelling lol Jesus Christ that was rough
@DIllfredManquest
@DIllfredManquest Жыл бұрын
And incredibly lucrative for the certain few
@RustyShackleford19999
@RustyShackleford19999 Жыл бұрын
Oy vey
@m26_lemon_grenade55
@m26_lemon_grenade55 Жыл бұрын
I like the comments about Ego in the military leadership. I remember hearing a quote from a top general in Korea who ordered his men to chase the retreating Chinese. It was something like " we aren't going to let these (insert racial slur) laundry men escape". It was a blatant faint to draw the American forces into a trap.... But this ego on this general didn't see it nor did he listen to his commanders and lead his men into chosin reservoir.
@albertbarajas8287
@albertbarajas8287 5 ай бұрын
I only wanna hear war history from Shane Gillis from now on😮😮😮
@Lucys_Power_Hours
@Lucys_Power_Hours Жыл бұрын
Don’t think they would make inglorious basterds about Vietnam or Iraq…
@Criticalthinking788.
@Criticalthinking788. 9 ай бұрын
I’m now all of a sudden interested in history only when Shane has the mic
@freelancenerd4804
@freelancenerd4804 9 ай бұрын
That Ken Burns doc was really fantastic! At the end when they are showing the Vietnam memorial u can see my uncle’s name. Thomas L. Corbett!
@bradcurtin2747
@bradcurtin2747 11 ай бұрын
Vietnam War was over the rubber plantations in Vietnam, Michelin was a french company...its always about big business
@voiceofreason2674
@voiceofreason2674 11 ай бұрын
Where do they get rubber from now ?
@ajr3746
@ajr3746 10 ай бұрын
@@voiceofreason2674 Southeast Asia, Asia, Africa, Central America in that order.
@bigpapi6688
@bigpapi6688 9 ай бұрын
The Americans were not in the Vietnam war for a French tire company. War is usually business, not in the case you mentioned
@dis4doughnuts372
@dis4doughnuts372 3 ай бұрын
🤦🏻‍♂️Jesus Christ….no, it wasn’t.
@christophernoia5197
@christophernoia5197 11 ай бұрын
Basillone picked up the browning machine gun on the island of Guadalcanal in 1942, if I remember correctly. Back then they were still using the water cooled barrels, but that thing still gets super hot. The air cooled models were around, but i dont think the marines had them for the troops on that island. Not that you'd want to hold the air cooled version by the barrel either.
@WilliamCraft-u2p
@WilliamCraft-u2p 10 ай бұрын
Sad thing is he died in the first couple of hours on Iwo Jima. Absolute legend.
@michaellear6904
@michaellear6904 Жыл бұрын
The Viet Cong had hospitals, schools, universities, dormitories and supplies and water in a complex of deep underground connected facilities. They were never going to be defeated.
@michaelpreston7660
@michaelpreston7660 6 ай бұрын
I had no idea Shane was so knowledgeable on history, I love listening to him tell about it because you get comedy mixed in with it
@doccholo905
@doccholo905 11 ай бұрын
This is more historically informational than school. And funny.
@ellisfontana6723
@ellisfontana6723 9 ай бұрын
no it isn't, its just fun.
@LargeAndRobustPeter
@LargeAndRobustPeter 3 ай бұрын
ya. earth to meekus - this half brained history. reading is hard - so idiots dont do it. they just like hearing shit they like to hear from people they like to hear it from. learning why things actually went down the way they did is laborious and uncomfortable cause usually it turns out what you value is at the heart of the problem. thats history
@Sheepfollower
@Sheepfollower 9 ай бұрын
New favourite history pod.
@teddybrosevelt-007
@teddybrosevelt-007 10 ай бұрын
My grandfather was in the 3rd army under Patton. He hated the movie “Patton”. He said it was bullshit and that he was nothing like the way they depicted him.
@kendole5931
@kendole5931 9 ай бұрын
Genuinely curious, what’s was he like vs the movie?
@Nediac800
@Nediac800 9 ай бұрын
The M16 wasn’t the thing jamming, it was the magazines they were given. They weren’t built to spec and would fail to feed fairly consistently
@Steve_643
@Steve_643 9 ай бұрын
I thought it was because the Army changed to ball gunpowder in the ammo from the stick gunpowder the M16 was originally designed around. Ball gunpowder burns a lot dirtier it leaves a lot more carbon in the chamber than stick. It also didn’t help the military got cheap and didn’t want to pay to have the bolt carrier and inner chamber chrome lined like the M16 was originally designed. All those issues combined caused the rifle to jam a lot, it didn’t help they weren’t issued with cleaning kits.
@ryanschmidt8327
@ryanschmidt8327 11 ай бұрын
Saw a KZbin video with Fletcher Prouty, he said that US weapons, hardware etc never left Asia after ww2. He said it went to Vietnam in late 40s.
@happynowfarms
@happynowfarms 9 ай бұрын
Just saw an Andy Stumpf podcast and his guest said the same thing. The first American advisors noted the amount of Thompsons the Viet Cong had.
@antonioblackfox
@antonioblackfox 9 ай бұрын
M16 jammed because the airforce liked it but they did not want to lose the contracts for the M14 so they refused to issue the m16 with adequate cleaning supplies.
@benjamingamache6441
@benjamingamache6441 8 ай бұрын
I though it was because they tested it using stick powder, then switched to ball powder when they started issuing it. Granted, I'm sure issuing them without cleaning kits wasn't a brilliant idea either.
@Thomas-t8c5q
@Thomas-t8c5q 9 ай бұрын
Wait till you read about General Westmorland or the Phoenix program gotta respect Carlos Hathcock though
@QuasiMonkey
@QuasiMonkey 11 ай бұрын
Couldn't help but laugh when Colin mentions how big a read "A bright shining lie" is. I got the paper back and it's a thicc book. John Paul Vann said way back in 62' that America was losing the war and he was right.
@bruhbruhhh6592
@bruhbruhhh6592 7 ай бұрын
32:04 honestly a rest stop is pretty damn good. I'd say that beats a bridge but maybe not a highway in terms of memorials.
@John_Notmylastname
@John_Notmylastname 8 ай бұрын
The Ken Burns documentary of Vietnam is very good. It goes over everything before during and after the war. It includes both sides as well. It seems biased at first but at the end it shows how everyone was duped during Vietnam. It’s long as hell but worth it if you love history.
@mattd585
@mattd585 2 ай бұрын
Shane would have made one hell of a history teacher
@henryford7305
@henryford7305 5 ай бұрын
Ho Chi Minh went to the France to try and meet with Woodrow Wilson in 1919.
@zerofire3172
@zerofire3172 11 ай бұрын
The initial rounds of m16s and the ammo in vietnam were purposefully sabotaged by the army bc the general who wanted the m14 to be thr service rifle were mad about the m16 switch
@bobross7005
@bobross7005 Жыл бұрын
There were definitely other wars with significant opposition before Vietnam, though. You know the phrase “shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded movie theater”? It was first used to justify the criminalization of free speech during WWI, because so many people were opposed to the war and conscription. Tons of people opposed the Spanish-American War - famous “anti-imperialists” included Mark Twain. Tons of opposition to the Mexican-American War. Lots of people thought it was a cynical ploy to get more land for slavery. The Republican Party platform condemned it as essentially an evil thing into the 1880s. Grant said, to paraphrase, that it was the most unjust war a stronger country had ever imposed on a weaker (obviously, a bit of hyperbole). In his memoirs, Grant basically said that the Civil War was us getting our “just deserts” for the Mexican American War - that it was karma: “The Southern rebellion was largely the outgrowth of the Mexican war. Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions. We got our punishment in the most sanguinary and expensive war of modern times.” Grant would know, too - he fought in the Mexican War as a young officer.
@bobross7005
@bobross7005 Жыл бұрын
On another note, George Friedman is a nutcase who has no idea what he’s talking about ~90% of the time.
@quagmoe7879
@quagmoe7879 8 ай бұрын
That’s a strangely defeatist, self-hating mentality. Grant was certainly a weird guy. To think a tragedy like that is “just desserts” is really a very soy reddit opinion.
@bobbyaxelrod5959
@bobbyaxelrod5959 7 ай бұрын
“I’m gonna do that gun thing again” *dies* Lmao
@Bryan-uw1ny
@Bryan-uw1ny 6 ай бұрын
23:40, The Kent State joke was too good. 😂
@alexmyers4937
@alexmyers4937 28 күн бұрын
50 years later military generals were still making the same mistakes of building outposts/fob’s in valleys where the enemy can just shoot straight down from the top of a mountain. Like shooting fish in a barrel. They did in Afghanistan. Can’t remember the name of the base but there is a movie about it called the outpost
@jackdaniel1362
@jackdaniel1362 Жыл бұрын
the m16s were compromised because they used the wrong kind of powder in the cartridge. it would have been a better weapon than the m14 if it had the proper ammo.
@jimjamauto
@jimjamauto Жыл бұрын
Some guys still preferred the M16 and especially the XM177 despite the issue because they were lightweight and had soft recoil. There's a theory Ian McCollum mentions in one of his videos that the problems were blown out of proportion by some of the top brass as an "I told you so" because of the politics of changing to a smaller standard round were very nasty. No matter what actually happened, every theory just further confirms the military industrial complex is evil.
@patrickcooke4938
@patrickcooke4938 Жыл бұрын
Eugene Stoner don't make no shit!
@burtbiggum499
@burtbiggum499 Жыл бұрын
Theu eventually fixed it too didnt they?
@hostilebogeyinbound
@hostilebogeyinbound Жыл бұрын
I went through two M4s in Iraq, they both were unreliable even with cleaning twice daily. I was in continuous contact with the enemy and when you misfire/jam you can hear your stomach gurgle over the crack and zing of gunfire. Thank God for SSPORTS.
@sockmon1
@sockmon1 Жыл бұрын
​@@hostilebogeyinboundyo, do you write for a living? That was pretty good man
@liamhenderson3753
@liamhenderson3753 8 ай бұрын
Great podcast AND guest. Thanks guys x
@marvet-ix9bk
@marvet-ix9bk 8 ай бұрын
I love these history podcasts
@mikeharrsch9489
@mikeharrsch9489 10 ай бұрын
The fact that Shane is a history buff make’s my 🎉 hard. he’s funny and historically accurate!? Thank god SNL fired him! He’s gonna be on Rushmore
@optimusdimegatron1297
@optimusdimegatron1297 Жыл бұрын
Colin rules
@TheImmoralNosferatuZodd
@TheImmoralNosferatuZodd Жыл бұрын
Lol no
@blackmarketmedia3328
@blackmarketmedia3328 Жыл бұрын
Not that good.
@DoodooSwaggy
@DoodooSwaggy Жыл бұрын
@@TheImmoralNosferatuZodd SILENCE
@DoodooSwaggy
@DoodooSwaggy Жыл бұрын
@@blackmarketmedia3328 You aren’t
@Supermoneygang12
@Supermoneygang12 Жыл бұрын
Maybe 30 years ago
@IrishTechnicalThinker
@IrishTechnicalThinker 10 ай бұрын
I was hoping Muhammad Ali would come up, he refusing to join the army and his protest against the war helped the people see Vietnam in a different light.
@Fibonaccisghost
@Fibonaccisghost Жыл бұрын
When I hear Colin talk I can’t help but hear Lenny the Lion from his SNL sketch.
@christianthomsen9701
@christianthomsen9701 8 ай бұрын
The M-16 jammed because the military used old powder for the 5.56x45mm cartridges to save $ because they already had produced the powder. The old powder wasn't designed for the M-16 and burnt dirty. Causing many malfunctions.
@Charles-xy5jd
@Charles-xy5jd 6 ай бұрын
Troops died with cleaning rods in the barrels.
@mohamedelgeneidy5172
@mohamedelgeneidy5172 9 ай бұрын
When I hear Colin’s voice I immediately remember Patrice O’Neal. RIP 🫡
@user-zb1gd7ch1t
@user-zb1gd7ch1t 10 ай бұрын
Trivia re Ho Chi Minh, 1912-1913(?) he worked at the Parker House/Hotel in Boston.
@DeltaDanner
@DeltaDanner Жыл бұрын
My great uncle was a tunnel rat in Vietnam. I never got to meet him because he moved to Thailand in the 90s before I was born. All I know about him was that he always carried a gun and would “security check” people that got too close to family in public.
@kennybeans6115
@kennybeans6115 10 ай бұрын
“Moving to Thailand in the 90s” is still the sketchiest part of that whole story.
@DeltaDanner
@DeltaDanner 10 ай бұрын
@@kennybeans6115 I like to think he felt more at home in SE Asia than in the states but it does make me wonder what insane shit he got into
@kennybeans6115
@kennybeans6115 10 ай бұрын
@@DeltaDanner Yeah, it must’ve been a trip the stuff those vets saw and experienced out there.
@alexbaum2204
@alexbaum2204 10 ай бұрын
@@DeltaDannera lot of vets did it. Plenty went out there and just stayed for decades after experiencing the RandR. And yeah, we all know what they got into. But I too think they felt more at home there. Poor kid from some rundown town with zero opportunities or rich man in a country full of them? Also you don’t have a ton of your own country men looking down on you for the war. I can totally see why they’d do it.
@mattstakeontheancients7594
@mattstakeontheancients7594 Жыл бұрын
Think most people didn’t know how much Ho Chi Min loved America and had we helped them then would Vietnam ever had happened. They could have been a democratic country. It’s a wild concept had we had helped them instead of France.
@anthonylundkovsky5643
@anthonylundkovsky5643 10 ай бұрын
Thankful my grand pa made through Vietnam. Miss you paw paw
@vincentburroughs7451
@vincentburroughs7451 8 ай бұрын
Talk about Patton and MacArthur from the Bonus War. Veterans have been mis treated by this country since before this was a country.
@PaNDaSNiP3R
@PaNDaSNiP3R 10 ай бұрын
I’m very surprised Shane didn’t know who Audey Murphy was
@user-xj7kk7rb9p
@user-xj7kk7rb9p 9 ай бұрын
5:50 - we did the same thing to our 173rd boys in the Battle of Wanat
@boogiewoogie613
@boogiewoogie613 4 ай бұрын
“Daaaaamn Are you serious dude? “😅
@NoFlu
@NoFlu 7 ай бұрын
The reason why the french build a landing strip/base in a valley, was because it was surrounder by hills with jungle forests covering them. They (rightfully) thought that you can't get artillery up there by truck. What they forgot about is, that you can still get artillery up there by foot (or animals). So the vietnam push artillery up the surrounding hill. Without thaz fire support, the french might have very well won that battle.
@gregwil694
@gregwil694 6 ай бұрын
I believe they disassembled much of the artillery to transport then reassembled it arrived.
@asksomeoneelsefirst
@asksomeoneelsefirst Жыл бұрын
This is probably already in the comments. But MacArthur did a very dangerous amphibious landing, which was a stroke of strategic genius. And he led NATO forces to close to the border of China and that’s when things turned bad because the Chinese unleashed a good 10 million soldiers.
@00SmileTime00
@00SmileTime00 Жыл бұрын
That was Korea, not Vietnam
@Broken_dish
@Broken_dish Жыл бұрын
he was still a huge wanker who loved to smoke cigars in Japanese kimono and katana and act like mayor of Tokyo huge ego his head was bigger than mr makay
@AnthonyButler-r2i
@AnthonyButler-r2i 11 ай бұрын
You guys should get Mike glover of field craft survival or Evan hafer of black rifle coffee. An cover Afghanistan or iraq
@19Burgandy
@19Burgandy 8 ай бұрын
the valley thing seems to be a theme. korengal valley Afghanistan was the same thing. but no air strip
@Hometownhero6969
@Hometownhero6969 6 ай бұрын
John Basilone actually had a ship in the fleet named after him and an annual parade in Raritan New Jersey in his honor. Mad respect to all our fallen veterans ! Anywho just wanted to put that out there. Absolutely no disrespect to the boys.
@joshuapannell8131
@joshuapannell8131 3 ай бұрын
Powerful Colin Quinn
@ericw942
@ericw942 Жыл бұрын
This conversation is happening at 72 bpm...
@chase152
@chase152 Жыл бұрын
I don't like the slippery slope argument myself, it's a slippery slope
@kennybeans6115
@kennybeans6115 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, and it’s also a weird coincidence how Lou Gehrig just so happened to die of Lou Gehrig disease.
@nicholaswaldrop4306
@nicholaswaldrop4306 2 ай бұрын
My dad, enlisted and did 2 tours in Vietnam never talks about his time there except when he was on leave.. I saw his discharge papers he got a few commendations i can't remember what they were to be honest he probably doesn't remember anymore either.
@rackedbound1648
@rackedbound1648 9 ай бұрын
Shane is the best.
@temba92
@temba92 10 ай бұрын
7:57 didnt Vietnam get attacked by someone soon after The Vietnam war?
@animaxima8302
@animaxima8302 7 ай бұрын
I know what Shane feels about Vietnam: It's called Shame
@Cull501
@Cull501 8 ай бұрын
It was mostly French Foreign legion in that valley and most of them were EX Wermacht and SS troops.
@BigDaddyDer.
@BigDaddyDer. 11 ай бұрын
My grandfather fought in WW2 under Pattons command and then when Korea started he volunteered for that too.
@FindTheFun
@FindTheFun 9 ай бұрын
The North Vietnamese even fought Cambodia after the US left.
@rangps
@rangps 10 ай бұрын
19:14 this is a wild take lol made me think though great talk, time flew listening to this
@ih8stuff3
@ih8stuff3 6 ай бұрын
This video is a goddamn treasure
@frontierproloteriat
@frontierproloteriat 10 ай бұрын
More informed and we'll thought out than a lot of media pundits.
@codyge18
@codyge18 10 ай бұрын
He got the Korean war wrong. The landing of Incheon was not a mistake, but one of the most important moments of the war and an absolute success. McArthur didn't screw up the war
@damndude4649
@damndude4649 11 ай бұрын
Any source on the CIA keeping letters from Turman?
@Blissment
@Blissment 8 ай бұрын
Where did these go?!
@graylobo133
@graylobo133 6 ай бұрын
What Betamax cam did u guys use to film this?
@jjjoorrddaan
@jjjoorrddaan 9 ай бұрын
lol I just turned off Shane on Theo Von’s podcast to watch something else and thought to myself “alright I’m done listening to Shane Gillis and Theo Von enable my opinions.” then saw this and was like “fuck yeah i wanna listen to Shane Gillis talk about Vietnam.”
@TheMojeff
@TheMojeff 10 ай бұрын
The U.S. military switched to a gunpowder for the M16 that they were told specifically not to use, and that was the cause of most malfunctions.
@nathanrosman-bakehouse359
@nathanrosman-bakehouse359 8 ай бұрын
I was thinking that little guy looked like Collin Quin
@PumpernickelPele
@PumpernickelPele 10 ай бұрын
This was dope
@ltlibby6220
@ltlibby6220 9 ай бұрын
The invasion of Inchon actually went surprisingly well during the Korean war, the issue was MacArthur pushed all the way to the Chinese border and ignored reports of Chinese troops causing about a quarter million Chinese troops to surround the UN forces.
@JarthenGreenmeadow
@JarthenGreenmeadow 8 ай бұрын
"Why do they put bases in the valley" Roads dont go on tops of mountains. They go through the low lands. Afghanistan had the exact same issue.
@MsBritanie73
@MsBritanie73 6 ай бұрын
Today I watched two Vietnam vets see one another's hats and it was ON. Total strangers like best friends. I loved living in HO Chi Minh City. #buivien #wastedvietnameseonmotorbikesbeforenoon
@climatixseuche
@climatixseuche 10 ай бұрын
they never found the boats
@StubbsMillingCo.
@StubbsMillingCo. 8 ай бұрын
Check out Hans Hermann Hoppe, Thomas J. DiLorenzo, Murray Rothbard and Ludwig Von Mises. Mises for sure, he explains who Eastern Europe was like before WW1 and what Austrias politics and economics were and how they really were a beacon in those areas yet the Germans invaded and the rest is history…
@GarrettCroslin
@GarrettCroslin 3 ай бұрын
I wish the myth about the M16 would die out. The M16 was way better than people think. The problem was that the powder Eugene Stoner used in testing burned cleaner than the powder used in the field. The rounds were also too hot compared to what the rifle was designed to shoot. The increased rate of fire and increased amount of unburnt powder caused the rifle to jam excessively.
@shawncrevda3494
@shawncrevda3494 8 ай бұрын
You guys should do one with dan carlin i think hes the best youtube historian
@blackcorp0001
@blackcorp0001 10 ай бұрын
Sigh ... I love getting my history lessons second hand through comedians that watched a documentary 👏 😅
@theamericanaromantic
@theamericanaromantic 10 ай бұрын
Colin has never, not once, been able to string together a fucking cohesive sentence. It's impressive.
@IROCZSPEED
@IROCZSPEED 10 ай бұрын
Just lost my father to Agent Orange. What an effed up mess that time in history was.
@mr.dondaman2983
@mr.dondaman2983 4 ай бұрын
lol people were into dancing, it was a very hedonistic time
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