MT10 Engine Failure update... its BAD

[@witnesspropro]

Great advert for not messing with your bike. Thanks. I think I'll learn by your mistakes.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

That’s the idea

[@retroblue-p9g]

You'd think, with it being a Japanese modern bike. It would be bulletproof. My 23 yr old VFR800fi is bloody immortal. It will never die 😂

[@DavidSimpsonSpecialForces]

Yes, wheelies can be a problem with pretty much any bike that doesn't have a dry sump setup! Pulling the front wheel near 10 o'clock pulls the oil away from the pickup. This causes major oil starvation, and can eventually cause the motor to blow. Dry sumps aren't affected by lean angle. Standard sump may starve the engine from oil at steep angles or G forces when oil shifts to one corner, especially when riding wheelies!!

[@chrisdadigger1018]

And bouncing bike off revlimiter while doing high nooners. I heard mt09s with same problem

[@DonHenshall]

Seton Tuning is just down the road from me. Phil is a bloody genius and I was proud to be one of his sponsors when he was running 600 in the BSB series. You won’t be disappointed if you decide to entrust your bike with him. Good luck 🤞

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Ah nice! Glad to hear that. Thanks for letting me know 👍🏼

[@nunyabidness9257]

I have a theory on these failures…. The oil feed is from the end of the crank and is putting a hydraulic side load on the crank and forcing it over and eventually into the counterbalance shaft. Might be wrong but after watching the first videos on it, this is the best explanation on what might force a crank over far enough to collide as there aren’t any other lateral forces on it.

[@paultanton4307]

From memory Matt ( Dirty Garage Guy/The Workshop) did a few videos of Crank failures on R1 CP4 Engines,might be worth a watch.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Awesome thanks, will check it out!

[@paulgibson490]

If the crank has gone a crate motor is probably the cheapest answer apparently crank rods and valves are very expensive.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Yeah will be looking into that!

[@aluisious]

I had the con rod bearings go on my Multistrada, the repair of a new crank and con rods was $9k.

[@talm3366]

A few months ago, the exact same thing happened to me with my 2018 mt10sp. Just after it came out of a 40,000 km service 🤦‍♂️. I'm a first-hand owner of the bike. I had exactly the same dilemmas, I consulted with my wife and finally a month ago I decided to take it to a professional garage of the Yamaha importer. We rebuilt the engine with original parts. It cost a lot of money, but for me it was the preferred option. The service is over and this coming Thursday I should have it back.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Yeah I feel your pain! Mines mostly self inflicted so feel bad for you! But at least you’re getting it back!

[@MotoMark55]

If I was in your position I'd get a warrantied secondhand engine fitted, get my V5 updated with the new engine number, sell the bike on & put it all down to experience. You may be able to sell/part-ex your broken engine to mitigate the cost. Onwards & upwards 💪

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Only thing is, the cost isn’t that far apart from rebuilding it. But it’s defo an option.

[@thehutx]

have look on copart for stolen recovered one. be plenty

[@VState60]

Another Mike on an MT-10 here! My 2019 Ten motor grenaded itself at 9k miles and now I’m onto a 2022 that’s been good thus far-hate to hear about yours’, but love the videos.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Oh dam! Did you find out what actually went on it!? Glad to hear you stuck with the MT. I can see why! Thanks!

[@King_Harrold]

You rarely hear of this with Japanese engines. Would be interesting to know if this is more common

[@aluisious]

Why would you buy a second bike when the first one exploded in 9k miles?

[@ALIENdrifter66]

@@aluisious Why wouldn't you? Having such kind of failure on a bike like that's really strange, the probability that you experience another problem like that is really low. Your statement is like saying that if you buy a brand new iPhone and it fails within a year, then why would you replace it with another iPhone, because it will fail soon again. Well, you can buy an iPhone, a motorbike, whatever and it can stop working the first day, but that doesn't mean anything if it's from a reputable brand, it can be just bad luck with that specific item.

[@VState60]

@@aluisious I certainly looked at all the competitors in its class…and I’m probably not the standard supernaked buyer as 90+% of the miles I put on a bike are on the track (changed late in my ownership of the Gen 1 MT-10), but everything else either has less reliability, or has zero character, or both. If I had a nickel for every SFV4, Tuono, S1kR, SDR1290, etc. that I’ve lapped while spending 1/2-2/3 as much, I’d buy a second MT-10 😂😂

[@marksimpson5218]

I can understand why you like the MT i always find other four cylinder (bmw) bikes bland.

[@akmt9114]

Naw my 2019 MT-10 pictured in my profile did constant wheelies in all gears and all speeds. It's at 15k miles and going strong.

[@chrisdadigger1018]

Yeah for now. Don’t push your luck

[@invizzziblecitizzen7092]

Nothing wrong with wheeling a mt10 everywhere I’ve had 2 of them and went everywhere vertical from 1st - 4th on the back wheel for over 20,000 miles mapped de cat . I’ll put money on it it’s probably down to the fact it didn’t have enough oil in it and was over revved . Both my mt10 burnt a lot of oil . About a litre every 1000 miles . How often did u check / top up the oil ?

[@BikeLikeMike92]

It had a fresh service the week before I went on a trip and since I’ve got back it’s been out, hasn’t burnt any and it at the required level 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@invizzziblecitizzen7092]

@@BikeLikeMike92 how often did u check it ?

[@johnflavin1602]

I don't get this desire to do wheelies. Why risk wrecking your engine? Money must be be no object.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

They’re just fun, I didn’t think they were a major risk to be honest. Done them for a while!

[@travellingbilly.4032]

Why not just join a circus and ride a unicycle ?

[@sv7017]

11:26 What is the history behind this building?

[@BikeLikeMike92]

@@sv7017 it’s part of the Goodwood estate, called the kennels. Check out: www.goodwood.com/visit-eat-stay/the-kennels/

[@christianweller4288]

Hound Lodge, Kennel Hill. Part of the Goodwood Estate of Festival of Speed fame. Not sure of the history but going by the name was probably Kennels for the House at one time. Partly Hotel now.

[@sv7017]

@@christianweller4288 Cool, Thank you! My not from UK but should give me enough information to look up

[@sv7017]

@@christianweller4288 Finished with research. Man, that region is packed with very interesting stuff. Motorway, Airfield, Parks, a Royce Rolls powerplant and many other things.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Come and visit for a Goodwood festival!

[@williambailey1712]

Try a unicycle there fun and good exercise and you won't bother wheeling you motorbike anymore

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Would probably take a bit of time!

[@williambailey1712]

Anyone can do it takes the average person 10 hrs to learn .Seat at belly button height and 80% of your weight on the pedals.

[@stevef8763]

Special tools, if needed, will be expensive, check in manual. Good luck.

[@Boombatty]

How many miles dit it have ?

[@BikeLikeMike92]

18k miles

[@simonm444]

remember any noises like that seconds count£££££, so off motor quick.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Oh absolutely 😂😭

[@aluisious]

By the time you hear weird noises, your motor is already gone. it will never be right after that.

[@wtmvm]

Sv650 suzukis I'd heard were risky if you wheelie them. I wonder how many other bikes have the same issues?

[@BikeLikeMike92]

I’d say it’s not really an issue from the manufacturers side but rather a user issue, I.e my fault for pushing it. Bike wasn’t designed to be at that elevation for that long at that rpm… so… would be cool if they could manufacturer bikes like the MT10 to be able to do it without risk. But I doubt that will even be on their radar as most people won’t be doing it.

[@billystylish]

By cramming all the latest tech into their bikes Yamaha quality has gone down in their latest generations. MT09s have also been having issues with failing sensors leaving riders stranded.

[@TonyChettleburgh]

Why not get a second hand engine and build the internals into your cases ?

[@BikeLikeMike92]

To be honest that’s a bit beyond my mechanical knowledge, I’d also rather have brand new internals rather than some unknown engine internals, plus the fact it needs to be mapped again. I’d save money sure, but jeez not sure I’d ever get it done.

[@TonyChettleburgh]

@BikeLikeMike92 Fair play

[@nicholasjarrold8649]

Hi I think seaton tuning is a very good choice there experience is vast they have been involved and I think had a team in road racing and yes dyno they know there stuff they’ve been around for years I would go with them and they know Yamahas inside out I’m sure

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Glad to hear it!

[@LickyDischarge]

Third gear redline wheelie 😮 dare I ask what kind of speed you’re doing at that point? 😆. (I bought a 2018 SP a couple of months ago and I’m totally in love with it)

[@BikeLikeMike92]

I think it’s around 105-110mph, although it doesn’t feel like that if I’m honest. Feels great but obviously a dumb idea for engine longevity! Ah nice, lovely bike! Glad you are enjoying it!

[@iancharlton5530]

I get why your not jelling with the s1000r after coming off probably tyres hope the mt10 not to expensive 🤙

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Yea I think you might be right there! Thanks dude!

[@brucekendall52]

At least you are honest with yourself re:Wheelies.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Gotta learn somehow 😅

[@mattmutane5502]

@@BikeLikeMike92 I have heard, but don't KNOW for certain, that these engines are susceptible to oil starvation if you spend much time on the back wheel, I guess worse if at higher revs, higher angles, and for longer.... :(

[@cpuuk]

What's the mileage on that engine? If it's below 20K stick with it. Find a reputable Yam specialist builder and let them rebuild it back to stock, don't touch anything, just hand over the bike because warranty needs to kept intact. Only throw performance money at it if you plan on keeping it long term, because you are effectively losing more money if you want to sell in a year.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Has about 18k

[@petittrainguernsey3297]

Maybe get a cheap two stroke super moto for the wheelie fad. Won’t have oil starvation issues that way.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Yeah, would love a supermoto!

[@ram64man]

What are you riding in the video? Bmw 1100 ?

[@BikeLikeMike92]

It’s a BMW S1000R

[@ram64man]

@ thanks Mike

[@stewart8127]

The whole wheeli thin in the comments is BS its hitting rpm over 10k they all use oil when you do that . Keep doing it and you have 2 liters instead of 4 liters its going to run hot and the top end will have things start to melt. CHECK YOUR OIL LEVEL EVER RIDE!!!

[@stewart8127]

You ran it out of oil didn't you?

[@BikeLikeMike92]

I mean, technically the oil was still there 😅

[@stewart8127]

@BikeLikeMike92 I didn't see the wheelie . But I have seen in the parts catalog a baffle gasket for the 636 that allows continuous oiling at 12 O'clock high. Good luck brother I'm just happy I left Yam for Hon.

[@bikersquest]

I saw your other video, It looks like you were coasting downhill with the engine off. This can damage some bike's gearboxes, maybe your gearbox went kaput from the coasting.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

It’s defo the engine I’m afraid. Gearbox is ok!

[@mnnend5480]

noticed that in the manual the other day. Worth remembering ..."Even with the transmission in the neutral position, do not coast for long periods of time with the engine off, and do not tow the motorcycle for long distances. The transmission is properly lubricated only when the engine is running. Inadequate lubrication may damage the transmission."...

[@Garry2749]

I would think 2.5k for a rebuild is a bit of guess. Crank damage or head damage and full set of valves are mega money. More then the bikes worth in these days. Needs to be stripped and investigated first . Then make a decision. If you can get over the numbers issue, 2nd hand lump is best bet.

[@martincornish3179]

I’d get it rebuilt by a yam specialist out it and get a Suzuki b. King that busa engine is unbelievably strong wheelies like a bastard (especially with larger rear sprocket) . There are still some nice ones about and they hold their money

[@nickwelch5267]

Your lack of mechanical sympathy is what killed your engine.😂

[@BikeLikeMike92]

That is unfortunately correct 😅

[@RoBeRtS08]

How do you find those Keis gloves, do they get warm enough and are they comfortable?

[@BikeLikeMike92]

I do like the Keis gloves, they get fairly warm. Although I’d like them to get just that bit hotter on extra cold days. 9/10 days they make my hands sweat. So I’d recommend, although there are cheaper alternatives from brands like RST. Quality of Keis is very nice however so i think you feel where your extra cash is going.

[@mattmutane5502]

@@BikeLikeMike92 OOI, have you used those gloves with your MT10? I have an issue where my Keis gloves (and I also tried some Gerbing, too) turn on and then shut off, when the engine is running, but work fine on battery with the engine off (the gloves are connected direct to the battery though!). I suspect a "noisy" alternator/charging circuit freaking the electronics in the gloves out (which can probably be fixed with a voltage regulator), but would be interested to hear if you ever had those gloves working with the MT10! :)

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Yeah I have used them with the bike, usually plugged into a jacket. Are you using the keis wiring and have the correct fuse? They shouldn’t do that! Maybe contact keis for more support.

[@mattmutane5502]

@@BikeLikeMike92 Yes and yes. I presumed it was the Keis stuff but I tried the Gerbing stuff also and they behave in exactly the same way! Pretty sure it's not over-voltage, I suspect it might be either a regular and very momentary dip in voltage that upsets them - I'll need to put an oscilliscope on the battery when the engine is running I guess.. :(

[@BikeLikeMike92]

I hope you get it fixed!

[@1555rs]

Costs more to build the engine after it's spun a bearing, just get another lump and put it in, send the paper's of to dvla and get a new v5 with the new numbers on. Happend to my r1 mate it's a propper shit. When it's all done rebuilding the lump will be near or close to 10k......

[@jardani9922]

I like my white bike Mike

[@MotoGold-magazine]

I know one MT10 owner who had the crank fail at 12K miles. He stripped it over winter and said the Yam component quality was surprisingly low compared to his 05 Gixer 1000 which he’s getting 190bhp on the dyno from. Just saying.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

How did he determine the quality was lower?

[@MotoGold-magazine]

@@BikeLikeMike92 general poor finishing of some interior parts, rough casting, weak bolts, springs, spacers etc. Choosing steel conrods rather than R1 titanium betrays Yamaha cost cutting at the 2016 launch of the bike imho. He's tweaked a BMW S1000R and the Gixer in the past, pops wheelies on all his bikes, races mates, all the hooning I gave up on in my 40s, but the MT10 is the only bike that's broken its motor. Him and his mate bought new parts, rebuilt the motor and he sold the bike. Lost 3K in total.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

@MotoGold-magazine interesting, when I get mine rebuilt I’ll keep some parts and check it out. Maybe use them as a paperweight 😅

[@russellbrowning2732]

Yeah Seton

[@rodneybarcus2233]

Sounds like you learned an expensive lesson. Maybe going forward just buy hard ass bikes and skip the engine mods. Good luck with your mt10.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Haha yes I did indeed!

[@stevecade857]

You could go the R1 engine route........

[@aguiristante]

Sounds like 2004 fjr1300. Bad valve guides.

[@alanoswin8827]

How can you get a quote for repair if you dont know whats wrong with it, has it snapped end of crank off that was popular fault on R1, id say how much you wheelie it oil starvation could be the culprit, spun a rod bearing you just mentioned the wheelie as im typing this lol, get it stripped the 2k engine build with parts would be cheaper for a new Yamaha crate motor, keep the updates coming and good luck.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

The quote is just for a full rebuild. I figured if the engine comes out I might as well. I imagine they would strip it down and keep me updated as to the exact issue… but one thing I know is that the engines coming out. I haven’t actually looked at a yammy crate motor but will have a look! Ta

[@user-hf8ie8mf3n]

I broke down in southern france one time. It involved a woman….so this doesn’t really apply to your story. Hmmm. Forget I said anything. 👍🤪🏳️‍🌈

[@seawench555]

It's ok I get it!!!🇦🇺🏳️‍🌈

[@patrickpoisson9851]

Wheelies at 110 mph? Right. Why do you abuse your machinery.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Bought it to have fun on it! I’ve learned! 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Achilles22]

Why are you riding in such crap conditions??😮😮

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Gotta make that content 🥹

[@ThePresidentofMars]

One should always ride in all weather, maybe avoid rain if u can help it. Its no fun if u only ride in the summer

[@Achilles22]

@ Disagree entirely, I only ride in good weather, unless I’m caught out. It is no fun and a lot more dangerous, especially on motorways .

[@mattmutane5502]

@@Achilles22 Each to their own! :) I couldn't stand not riding half the year!! If it's not raining and (hopefully) no salt on the roads, crack on, I say... there is still mucho fun to be had!! :) (I'm not scared of riding in the rain, and it CAN be fun, and I'm not bad at it... but just wouldn't CHOOSE to do it! ;) :) )

[@elithegreat6463]

"Officer, I heard this dreadful noise, and it then burst into flames" Problem solved

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Not the first person to recommend a similar story 🤣 “officer it ghosted itself off a mountain”

[@RichardASK]

@@BikeLikeMike92 And people wonder why Insurance rates for younger riders are so high. Self inflicted problems and dishonesty are acceptable are they?

[@BikeLikeMike92]

@RichardASK What part of my comment says dishonesty is acceptable?

[@joebloggs1583]

You think that's the tensioner and want to replace it yourself top tip let a professional touch it as you clearly don't have a clue

[@BikeLikeMike92]

If you listened thats exactly what I did.

[@Cartsp70]

It’s not the bike 😂

[@BikeLikeMike92]

It’s never the bike. It’s either a skill issue or a miracle 😉

[@petittrainguernsey3297]

When you said ‘Redline on the back wheel’… There is the problem. Top end Oil starvation due to the sump pick up being out of the oil as it all sloshes to the back of the sump cos of the angle of the bike. Good luck with that.

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Yup, pretty much!

[@stewart8127]

​@@petittrainguernsey3297BS its the pair valves sucking up a quart of oil

[@petittrainguernsey3297]

@@stewart8127 that would make it blow blue smoke though eh?

[@1555rs]

It's not the upgrades that done your engine, and r1 engines fail just has much.. It's revs that kill our cp4 engines.

[@stevendegreef93]

You’ve remapped the engine. Kaputt. End of story, isn’t it?

[@kugangles9860]

Remapping a engine doesn't normally cause catastrophic engine failures.

[@paulridgwell3273]

Waffle waffle waffle

[@BikeLikeMike92]

Feel free to go elsewhere ?