Orcus vs Orvar vs Aphemia vs Chatterfang EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

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[@rafaelribeiro1871]

Wouldn't Martin be creating 2 squirrel tokens with Squirrel Nest while Chatterfang was out?

[@bosser18]

Thats what I'm thinking too

[@kevinlewis1675]

Correct. He missed quite a few squirrrls

[@royalfishness1]

came down here to check comments after he missed his second trigger :/

[@rafaelribeiro1871]

He did catch on later in the game.

[@royalfishness1]

oh good, he realized it later

[@vader2641]

12:40 because chatterfang’s token ability is a replacement effect, the doubling season doesn’t work on the tokens he creates. Meaning, the the hermit creates 4 tokens, the effect of doubling season happens so it’s 8, then it’s replaced with chatterfang’s ability creating 8 extra squirrels (which the doubling season doesn’t duplicate). So in total there should be 16 and not 24 squirrels from the hermit etb. He’d win the game anyway, but this is an important ruling quirk.

[@EclipseMeteor]

Seeing orcus is sweet, but I'm really here for Nick's Aphemia deck. It's really fun to make and play

[@kingfuzzy2]

Can't agree more every time I pilot aphemia it's like I picked up a different deck for her to run

[@SolMatesMTG]

Aphemia is so underrated in my opinion, can’t believe how much it was stopped by Martin near the end hahaha such a fun game to watch, any game with both Arachnogenesis AND Scourge of the Throne is a game for me 😍

[@Darchias]

The main problem with Aphemia is just that there's not a lot of support for mono-black Enchantress, and honestly while her ability is neat 'maybe a Zombie every turn' is pretty weak even if you do manage to bin enough enchantments.

[@michaelgierusz5754]

Aphemia just doesn't do a lot, mono black is a solid colour but it's ability is super underwhelming.

[@SolMatesMTG]

@@michaelgierusz5754 trust me I get it, I’m just a voltron type of guy and mono black auras with her as the commander is really fun to me, that’s all 😁 in terms of raw power though she is very meh

[@mosselliadelt]

@@SolMatesMTG there is so many better options for mono black voltron though. K'rrik or skithiryx or

[@SolMatesMTG]

@@mosselliadelt no disagreement there, but sometimes the out of left field choice is the most fun one, just saying 🤷‍♂️

[@aldorankasl3000]

This has no effect on the end of the game, as he had 18+ squirrels to drain the table with zulaport cutthroat,, but he would have only made 16 squirrel tokens from deep forest hermit entering. Either (4 + 4(chatterfang)) * 2 (2x season) Or (4 * 2 (doubling season)) + 8 (chatterfang). Same replacement effect can't apply to the same event (creating tokens) more than once.

[@vradorm]

At 9:30, you should've created 6 copies of Master of the Pearl Trident; 5 from the kicked Rite of Replication, 1 from Orvar. I don't think this really would've mattered in the end though. Cool video!

[@Googleflax]

The Arachnogenesis wouldn't have fogged the damage from your commander since he's a spider (though it wouldn't have mattered cause he could still chump block it).

[@caseywellington4761]

Good detail catch!

[@PsykoHobo89]

Love me some chatterfang! Hope to keep seeinghim!

[@Sloth337]

Man KZbin stopped telling me about your videos and I missed a bunch! Welp, at least I have a couple of hours of content I can binge now.

[@tzvirubin9708]

it has been SO LONG since i watched the channel and i forgot how much i love the narration

[@benyura]

I'm pretty sure doubling season doesn't double chatterfangs replacement effect after Martin already had doubling season double deep forest hermits tokens. Each replacement effect only happens once per event.

[@SomewhereInMiddleEarth]

The thing to note is Chatterfang does not create tokens. Just like Season does not create tokens. Both modify how something else creates a token. The original effect from Hermit Druid creates 4 squirrels. You choose the replacement effect of Doubling Season so you create 8 Squirrel because 4*2. Then Chatterfang replacement effect sees the 8 tokens but creates 8 more becauce of its' ability. In total 16 Squirrels. You could also choose a different path and use the replacement effect from Chatterfang to be used first and then Season's. The result would be the same as well. Hermit Druid creates 4 squirrels. You choose the replacement effect of Chatterfang. You create 4 squirrels from druid and 4 Squirrels from Chatterfang but Season modifies those numbers to be 8 + 8, so 16 in total.

[@jonahcoffman3078]

Loved the Aphemia deck! I have most the cards so I might build it myself

[@jeffnorris211]

Chatterfang is nuts. Academy manufacturer really pumps my deck.

[@SOLARN01SE]

I love Nick’s brews! Thanks for linking deck lists btw.

[@passingby161]

Finally another chatterfang gameplay, love all the interaction

[@fighterforger]

Those alter sleeves look so nice. Mono blue has never looked so good.

[@M4TTM4TT]

These new games are great! Thanks Muddy

[@marianocolsin8968]

Being overrun by squerrels is one of the coolest ways of dying

[@harleyholt3747]

Love the sound effects !

[@MrNajie]

Just an FYI arachnogenisis only stops non spider damage. The person who uses it can use his spiders to take out a lot of what is attacking them

[@lk8lk8lk8]

We are waiting for Martin's Chetterfang decklist!

[@solomra]

Is there any chance we could see a decklist for Chatterfang? It looks like a lot of fun!

[@admiralJONK]

aphemia is one of my all time favorite cards, but i’ve never had the guts to make her a commander! love nick’s deck!!

[@AamariWilliams]

Andrew for the sleeves you were using, did you have to look up each card on Alter or? I can't seem to find bulk alter art sleeves

[@gustavomartinsdesouza5548]

Well, that scaled quickly

[@TheSkatesac]

Great video, Do you have the Chatterfang Decklist?

[@TheSquidgames]

Are your sleeves altered?!?! They look so sweet where did you get them?

[@ybn_shabazz2544]

Where did you get those sleeves for Orvar ive been looking everywhere

[@TheValentinamboy]

Does Martin have his deck posted anywhere?

[@DraygaFlight]

I just want to get my mythic sleeves! they looks so spiffy!

[@AuraRisq]

Hey Martin, if you read this comment, would it be possible for you to send me your Chatterfang decklist? Also, where did you get that playmat? I've been looking for one but can't find any... Thanks man, and GG to every player

[@dedpoptart]

Noob question, at 6 minutes ish a squirell token was created by nest, would this not trigger chatterfangs ability to double that?

[@owenwells7692]

I was wondering how the Chatterfang deck was playing black for the longest time, just didn't notice the black mana symbol on the ability.

[@decogecko8462]

As squirrel token comes in at 4:00 Chatterfang should make another one

[@mugiwaralee9592]

This is the only time I've ever seen anyone both play and use Black Market, and holy shit did it pop off.

[@MDuncan624]

Anyway we could please get that Chatterfang list?

[@The_Dying_Rose]

A demon, a harpy, a shapeshifter and a squirrel walk into a bar

[@StarautPrime31]

What are those inner sleeves Andrew?

[@lucasfernandez8827]

Shouldn't Rite of Replication activate Orvar's ability? It made no difference in the end, but I thought it was worth asking

[@TheTrooper424]

Any luck on the chatterfang decklist?

[@Tac-T-Kill]

I thought you were locked into the colors of the commander, how are you able to play black with a mono green commander?

[@ezickial13]

Any way we can get that chatter fang deck list?

[@rubenmadronero8352]

Is possible to see Chatterfang list please

[@thatoneborosplayer2577]

Cool

[@Its109TheGamer]

Did Orvar replace Mistform or is this a different deck?

[@gfkxj123]

At 9:12 you didn't have the clone army yet, so Nick should have most definitely Killed Martin with 9 counters on Black Market.

[@geekmp3]

What a great game and great de...... SQUIRREL!!!!

[@Senpaiper]

Did you get any kind of deal with buying the sleeves for your orvar deck i can't find the option on altered sleeves to buy multiple same frame like that

[@MTGMuddstah]

Try this: www.mythicgaming.com/product/mythic-frames-set-credit/?attribute_pa_design-team=11

[@robertbolea4341]

Andrew, didn't u discard Rogue's Passage to the Plague Crafter and not Kroxa?

[@TWhi2834]

Yay Chatterfang!

[@fel_95]

holy shit martin was ruthless, poor Aphemia

[@chicago928]

Squirrel supremacy!

[@ivernedit4132]

Martin should have been making two squirrels at the beginning each time he tapped it with chatterfang out

[@DarkEinherjar]

Martin was supposed to create two squirrels instead of one thanks to Chatterfang.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Yep, he missed a few triggers but got it in the end.

[@howamewsing7311]

Was Martin not able to block with his newly made spiders? Arachnogenesis only fogs NON-spiders.

[@matteobagni1235]

Chatter has been the most unstoppable commander lately

[@aaronangeloff4390]

Ok I’m a little confused. I have a Chatterfang deck. With squirrel nest. When he taps the squirrels nest, shouldn’t he get two squirrels with Chatterfangs ability?

[@MTGMuddstah]

He should. Martin missed it initially since it was his first time playing the deck / playing in person for a long time.

[@cristianociotti1054]

Please, Chatterfang list?

[@eduardom65]

Does anyone know what sleeves he was using, i checked the altersleeves sight but i cant find them.

[@MTGMuddstah]

They're part of the Mythic Frames line. You can find them here: www.mythicgaming.com/product/nordicmistform-mythic-frames/?attribute_pa_design-team=11&attribute_pa_pack-type=set

[@eduardom65]

@@MTGMuddstah sweet. Thanks man.

[@danpasquale1620]

Never discard a Rouge's Passage unless you can get it back card comes clutch an a regular basis!

[@Schiedog]

Why is Martin's mat all backwards (the text)?

[@MTGMuddstah]

I think it's a joke playmat from LRR.

[@newtpondskipper]

Chatterfang for the win!

[@xrush3rx1]

Chatterfang list pleeeeeeeeeeease?

[@Newspace123]

Can Martin give a Decklist?

[@elisosa2955]

Chatterfang should have been creating 2 squirrels each time squirrel nest was tapped, not 1.

[@arturol.m.7245]

Miss Mistform Ultimus, still hoping to see that deck, since you said It will not be changed for Orvar

[@pain648]

What why. This orvar deck is his old mistform deck because he is strictly better

[@MTGMuddstah]

I did change it for Orvar, sorry!

[@arturol.m.7245]

:(

[@arturol.m.7245]

@@pain648 I know, but still he said he wouldn’t do that. But good to know :)

[@thelunchlady8276]

Ska-whurrels!!!!!

[@louisgreen3071]

You should have made 6 masters of the pearl trident because of your orvar trigger

[@jacem4925]

Not sure why Toski wasn't killed by the Extinguish all hope, as it isn't an enchantment creature.

[@fickett7870]

he has indestructible

[@glostance]

Still waiting on that Chatterfang list 😢

[@MTGMuddstah]

You and me both.

[@thetone6320]

Early

[@pupspups9288]

Yeah that chatterfang player kept on missing the extra tokens he should have made

[@omarescalante3114]

But, he put seven squirrels when he shouldn't have, so it evens out?

[@toddallan6673]

@@omarescalante3114 When did he do that?

[@path2plowshares274]

On the arachnogenesis turn, wouldn't or at still deal damage? Since he is a spider?

[@jeffnorris211]

Valid point.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Hope aphemia wins she is incredible ( :

[@dave_8600]

I just realized I have been playing chatterfang wrong...

[@delryn256]

$6 per alter sleeve... For when you haven't spent enough.

[@BeWrong666]

Chatterfang should have created an additional squirrel for the token produced.

[@MageSkeleton]

that went as expected, good job putting a Tier 2 deck (chatterfang) against a tier 3 deck (Orvar) and 2 Tier 5 decks. It sucks to load up one of these videos and know who the winner is.

[@Kohrath]

No chatterfang decklist ?! WHY!!

[@smack80]

pff who needs white cards?

[@briandear1401]

I'm sorry muddstah but I'm pretty sure that this was the worst showing of your rhystic study draws.

[@corhydrae3238]

It bothers me more than it should that you don't pronounce the aftermath cards as they're supposed to be read. It's "Never to Return".

[@Genxim]

That's not how Chatterfang works o_o

[@MTGMuddstah]

In what way?

[@DarkEinherjar]

Yes, it is. If you would create X tokens, you create X 1/1 squirrels in addition to those tokens.

[@antonchichona6700]

How can you forget to double the squirrels when it's literally what the deck is built to do lol. Sometimes the misplays on this channel are too dumb.

[@icuigorz]

Make your orvar deck faster. It seems like a very slow build.

[@MTGMuddstah]

It's a work in progress.