Alela vs Queen Marchesa vs Ghired vs Surrak EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

[@HansHurin]

I see Queen Marchesa, long may she reign, and I upvote.

[@pojinx]

Huzzah, a man of quality!

[@darylchiu9030]

It was covered in EDHREC how Trostani and Ghired play differently despite sharing the same keyword mechanic "Populate". Ghired let's you run cards that promote Aggro while growing your board state at the same time whereas Trostani leverages lifegain to win using cards such as Felidar Sovereign, Test of Endurance and the "Death Star" Aetherflux Reservoir.

[@Wolfipls]

14:50 "Turning them sideways" would be wrong since Rhonas gives everyone vigilance :p

[@mn6334]

So does Akroma's Memorial. They had double vigilance.

[@addambarcelos]

that sinergy with changeling and hakkon was pretty cool

[@HaseoTCG]

Max here, My spicy Marchesa knight list is playing Crib swap too, sadly not many more knight instants in the game

[@sagusvalivian]

@@HaseoTCG That's what I'm doing with my Gwyn, though instead of entomb I'm trying out Buried Alive just to get access to a couple more creatures for more mana

[@HaseoTCG]

@@sagusvalivian I run both, entomb and buried. I also have shenanigans in my list for entomb. ( dredge destroy artifact.)

[@sagusvalivian]

@@HaseoTCG Ashes of the Fallen might be abusable also

[@owenwells7692]

@@HaseoTCG Have you thought about the '.....of Velis Vel' cards because I know the blades and shields versions are in your colours, blades is red and shields is white, and they're changelings too so the knight interactions work with them. Theres also some changeling creatures like Graveshifter, Cairn Wanderer, Irregular Cohort and Changeling Hero that Haakon could help abuse too.

[@mythiccmouse6214]

When maxime revealed the island from Etali I felt that.

[@tmakalpha1]

It was an Unstable Island, so at least he got a nice view of it

[@TheAntoniusFunk]

That Surrak deck was nasty. I think there was a definite mistake hyper focusing on Maxine when other boardstates were getting way more out of hand, especially when Dom was getting mana doublers out.

[@fairy-nova5455]

i agree my deck is very strong but for the most part of the game i had an empty hand i just lucked out with my top decks big time

[@jasonnosaj9369]

Fairy-Nova where is that playmat from? It’s awesome

[@fairy-nova5455]

@@jasonnosaj9369 i believe i got it on ebay either that or amazon

[@cooldes4593]

Fairy-Nova can i get a link to the list please?

[@fairy-nova5455]

@@cooldes4593 tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-05-19-surrak-stompy/

[@specialkender]

Props to Dom for not running game ending combos.

[@victorramirez7439]

Your voice makes me want to go asleep and watch the game at the same time

[@MTGMuddstah]

I'm okay with this.

[@thenightsubscriber2081]

Potential Asmrtist :P

[@loonar7960]

I frequently watch these as I'm going to bed. I rarely make it through the video.

[@midnightmonarus]

@@loonar7960 Yea, I usually have no idea what's going on but I still watch or listen to the video

[@starlord6707]

@@MTGMuddstah Randomly use an Australian or Scottish accent haha!!

[@CheesyBrie13]

Long may she reig- ohmygoodness that was an entire knight theme deck!!! Also, great to see Alela with sublime archangel! Exalted your board is a great fit for that deck :D

[@P4CCHU]

When the Mirror March entered the battlefield the Genesis Hydra wasn't yet on the board, so when it entered, it should've triggered it. It certainly didn't changed much, but it would've been funny

[@MTGMuddstah]

Dom actually mentions that in the game, but since it'd be zero we felt it was unnecessary. I probably should have mentioned it for the sake of accuracy.

[@P4CCHU]

@@MTGMuddstah Oh, nice! Thanks for the reply, I love your channel!

[@Zaros2400]

For example, if there were cards that cared about creatures entering the battlefield, i.e. Purphuros, that would make it matter.

[@StrawHatHogs]

Gotta love Thursdays to watch my favorite goblin edh channel show off another great video. Thanks Andrew for your hard work and keep em coming.

[@XxSasorixX]

Looking forward to seeing the lists posted. I'm working Alela as a side project right now!

[@duo317]

Sweet, thanks for updating the overlay with the crown!

[@P4CCHU]

Finally! I was waiting for this episode since like 3 hours

[@esperderek5383]

That Mystical Tutor...did...Maxime not have any board wipes left in his deck?

[@tmakalpha1]

Yeah... Was expecting a Cyclonic Rift or Terminus

[@HaseoTCG]

@@tmakalpha1 No terminus in his list and the players at the table talked about Cyclonic rift for a while but that wouldn't have changed much as dom had more than enough mana to replay everything while the others didnt.

[@thyetyeyryeretyery]

WOW, that's some good opening hands from everyone involved.

[@death8lord]

i am still loving the fact that you are still playing the danse macabre as song

[@rayne0273]

@muddstah! Still hoping to get lists for this one. Super interested in Alela!

[@felipemorelli9815]

Can't wait for the lists! Super interested in Alela and Queen Marchesa

[@NubRusty]

Damn, Maxime was eating it from every player every turn lol.

[@Riflain]

Eager to see the Surrak and Ghired lists when they are available!

[@hectormorales4090]

this layout you now have, the more I see it, the more I like it. GG man.

[@HaseoTCG]

Hey guys, Max here the Marchesa player. For any of you curious about the list or have any question feel free to ask. This was a pretty fun game showing off how terrifying Selvala's stampede can get ! Marchesa Knights ( do note I built this prototype recently and am still in the process of acquiring cards for it.) tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-queen-and-her-knights-1/?cb=1572581724

[@DarkEinherjar]

Syr Konrad would be an interesting addition, providing you another way of closing out the game when attacking isn't viable.

[@King06099]

Great voice to lead us for the video, love it so much!

[@starlord6707]

You the man!! You are doing a great service to the hive by putting these together!! Do you have deck lists by chance?

[@asmrbyshimmer]

I feel like around the 8:56 or so mark Dom makes a mistake resolving Selvala's Stampede. You dont put the revealed cards into the graveyard you shuffle them in. Also maybe its my hate of Mardu owing to Edgar but that Marchesa deck kept making me so mad hahahahah

[@kaszael]

That Danse Macabre background music

[@ForgedTraps]

I dont think anyone caught it at 8:45 when resolving the Selvala's Stampede, Dom places the revealed cards from it into the grave, but the deck and revealed cards are suppose to be shuffled.

[@fairy-nova5455]

you're right i did missplay there thankfully that didnt impact the game too much

[@cooldes4593]

Muddstah, ive been waiting for the surrak decklist please!

[@marcopanarello1380]

Loving the Queen deck, can't wait to see the decklist and play with it.

[@PlutoDarknight]

Long may she reign!

[@AidanWR]

With the Genesis Wave, I believe that he can order the stack any way that he wants so they should have gotten riot triggers

[@joaovitortrindade832]

I was a Trostani player, but now I'm in love with Ghired, the acess to Red is really amazing. But now I want to see your version of It!

[@jiralishu]

Not in this video, but my version has Nomad's Assembly. Go wide, brother. Also, play End-Raze Forerunners and Mouth//Feed the turn after you use it to deck yourself and lose. It's pure dominance.

[@homculias]

Where can we find the decklists for this game?

[@floydyutiamco]

Awesome video. Hoping to see more alela action in the future. Regardless had fun watching the game

[@09Dragonite]

Nice, I play a Surrak Dragon Tribal list and I've been debating turning into a Temur Good Stuff list. Honestly, this was a really good showing of a deck that doesn't rely on the commander but certainly benefits from the commander.

[@fairy-nova5455]

if you're interested heres my list : tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-05-19-surrak-stompy/

[@Kashakunaki]

I would like to see the list for the monarch deck.

[@ms.sysbit5511]

Someone else running Queen Marchesa knights?! Woooooo! So much better than knight tribal Gwyn imo.

[@HaseoTCG]

Max here, Yeah gwyn is hot garbage, sadly. Knights aren't too powerful a tribe to start with so dilluting it with equipments and a bad 6cmc commander just sounds like a bad time. Plus Queen M is on theme and gives me card advantage( much needed in the worst commander colors)

[@ms.sysbit5511]

@@HaseoTCG GWYN is strong as a voltron (at mid power)but not as a knight deck general. And black as a bad color? It's legit the strongest or second strongest in EDH hands down (blue is arguable). I like Queen for the theme, draw, and just adding a bit of political fun while also playing into my token subtheme that inadvertently sprang up.

[@HaseoTCG]

@@ms.sysbit5511 I disagree, I think qwynn is way too slow to be viable as a voltron since she offers no protection, no haste, and just abit of evasion, and the pay off for going voltron on her is quite bad. As for the two best colors of commander they are green and blue, followed by black, but most of blacks power comes from extremely unfun/unfair cards or just tutors. ( ad nauseum, necropotence Dtutor, Vampiric T etc. )

[@darksteelmenace595]

@@HaseoTCG Yeah, but Marchesa does literally nothing for knights and is not a knight herself. Gwyn can be very powerful, if you have the money to build the deck that way. If you have a few swords and a sunforger your knight deck certainly gets more impact.

[@HaseoTCG]

@@darksteelmenace595 A six drop commander, with no immediate impact on a board, she is really a 'win more' commander, she's s slow,situational, has no protection and needss very speecific scenarios to be 'decent' even her payoff isnt that great. even if you pour all the money in the world into that deck, I don't think its very good. While marchesa isnt a knight she give you something you desperately need when you card Quality is garbage( knights arent good.) she gives you card quantity by drawing you multiple cards through the game for a low mana investment. And while she doesn't have knight synergy, the monarch itself encourages the knight playstyle. ( IE. Punching people in the face with average creatures. ). Even if she isn't a knight, she and Aryel(which is a knight) are the two best commanders for a knight tribal deck hands down, depending on if you want red in your deck or not.

[@reivax2654]

So at around 12:40 when dom casts genesis hydra, the ability is on cast and he puts out a mirror march which is on ETB so he should’ve flipped for it

[@MTGMuddstah]

You're correct, but it would enter with no +1/1 counters and would therefor die immediately regardless of the flips. We skipped it as there was no impact on the game whether or not he succeeded.

[@reivax2654]

@@MTGMuddstah I figured as much, but I thought it was funny that it could've happened

[@HansHurin]

I think Dom put the cards he revealed from Selvala's stampede that weren't creatures in the yard instead of shuffling them in. Also forgot to draw from Selvala seeing a big Hydra entering the battlefield. But I'm not sure if it was the biggest creature at that moment, so I could be wrong.

[@Vian888]

Any chance you have the decklist for the Alela deck, or is Maxime willing to share it? I play an enchantment/artifact control variant and I’m curious to see what the tron version looks like.

[@kennedyrichards89]

Hey Muddstah, I was going over this video and didn’t Dom had anger in his graveyard by 13:38? He could’ve used the Rhythm of the Wild triggers anyways giving all creatures that entered by this point +1 counter and still have been able to attack thanks to Anger being in the graveyard?

[@decakebaker]

Can we get the Queen Marchesa Decklist ?

[@darylbennett8458]

Any chance for lists, currently getting ideas for an Alela deck

[@nicholascollazo8262]

I want the Surrak decklist

[@evafox9696]

What's with the hate on Maxime most of the game? He was land screwed and had the least board presence. I don't understand? Is Alela that strong?

[@Liamitis]

I think it was just aggro focusing someone down, you kinda have to be brutal if you wanna win with combat damage when life totals are 40

[@reinaldocrespo7429]

I see this is a man of culture Danse macabre on the background I liked it.

[@thelocustgod9098]

Giant Adpephage is just a fun card to be honest. I like it personally, mostly just cuz I like to put an insect creature into every deck I have and it occasionally fits in nicely.

[@Daniel1421994]

Can you please add the decklists? I am very interested 😬

[@sonnymoreno5083]

Is there a link for the list?

[@camfunme]

Where is the Surrak decklist?

[@rorschach1]

Ever get the decklists?

[@fernandocalero5964]

A Marchesa deck played on a Bakugou playmat. Truly a sight fit for a monarch

[@forerealz]

Dom's opening hand is beautiful.

[@lucasbareis-golumb2388]

Giant adephage at least has trample to actually connect. I'd consider wayfaring temple if it had some kind of way to get damage through

[@dunzhen]

Mardu: all these cool cards, I wish I could play em

[@michaelsmith-ch7hf]

I once top decked a eldrazi conscription playing aleyla which abled me to close out a 2 1/2 to 3 hour game lol

[@pablodiaz2278]

I'm confused. Is there any reason to not try to get the crownwith alela?

[@ichiel1898]

Dom has a good taste I see

[@rayne0273]

Anyone know what playmat Dom Is playing on? It's beautiful

[@ErikTheRedd1]

Marchesa knights I like it

[@DarkEinherjar]

Yes, every nontoken creature that enters the battlefield at the same time as the Rhythm will have riot.

[@Zaalbarjedi]

No, they will not. Riot is replacement effect, not trigger, so Rhythm should already be on the battlefield to give creatures riot.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Oops, my bad.

[@NMS127]

Yeah, this is counterintuitive because it's different from triggers: 614.12. Some replacement effects modify how a permanent enters the battlefield. ... To determine which replacement effects apply and how they apply, check the characteristics of the permanent as it would exist on the battlefield, taking into account replacement effects that have already modified how it enters the battlefield (see rule 616.1), continuous effects from the permanent's own static abilities that would apply to it once it's on the battlefield, and *continuous effects that already exist* and would apply to the permanent. So they enter with riot, but it doesn't work.

[@XxCerebratexX]

Doestn regal behemoth makes dom the monarch as iit enteers, as well needing the monarch to doubling his mana so when max hitted him, he lost the doubling mana as well not being able to cast terastodon?

[@DarkEinherjar]

Dom already had nine lands when he cast Terastodon.

[@robertmitchell8052]

What is Dom's playmat art?

[@DarkEinherjar]

...did Dom miss SEVEN Study triggers in ONE ROTATION? :o Rhystic Failure Dice: "SON... I AM DISAPPOINT."

[@fairy-nova5455]

im sorry dad please forgive me

[@HaseoTCG]

@@fairy-nova5455 He didn't miss seven probably one or two but most of us paid for it.

[@DarkEinherjar]

I counted seven in which you didn't pay the extra mana... unless he drew the card and Muddstah didn't mention it.

[@fairy-nova5455]

@@DarkEinherjar he probably just edited out me drawing the cards

[@perrydaplat1232]

Can I use Selvala's ability when I play it? Dom did it and I'm curious if I'm missing a trick here

[@oatmealbro6977]

Dom had Anger in his bin after he sacced it to Greater Good. As long as he had Anger in his bin and controlled a mountain, all of his dudes had haste.

[@perrydaplat1232]

@@oatmealbro6977 Oh! Thank you!

[@juggernaut517]

Is zedruu a good commander? Or should I not waste my money on building it? I want a good jeskai commander that isn’t narset

[@MTGMuddstah]

Zedruu is kind of being outclassed by Elsha and Kykar at the moment.

[@schattenmund]

Decklists?

[@TimyrosNachos]

This maxime guy... He was so manascrued, but still focused

[@DarkEinherjar]

Dom was even nice enough to not blow up his Signet with Terastodon...

[@fairy-nova5455]

the reason i focused more on him was that his commander was a huge threat for me i could barely block it and had no removal in hand

[@Krodo]

Decklist? Amazing game, congratulations?

[@geekmp3]

Another fantastic game!

[@sonsysy4195]

Dom forgets to Draw from Rhystic Study for ea spell cast

[@travisbrandt8663]

MARCHESA 💜💜💜💜

[@DoomGuyDestructotron]

Selvala didn't have haste and couldn't have tapped for that 9 green mana. Also Dom swung his Genesis Hydra the turn it came out when that didn't have haste either. The rhythm came out after both of those so neither had haste. It's too bad because the game could have gone a LOT differently. EDIT: Missed that Anger in the graveyard, my shame is real. Thank you for pointing that out Jannick.

[@jannicksturm9746]

Anger in the graveyard tho

[@vairades]

(Lists coming soon!) suuuuuure

[@DarkEinherjar]

Actually, they don't turn sideways at all, because Rhonas gives them vigilance. :)

[@fungusguy]

Wheres krenko

[@sammypearce1944]

Where the list at?????? Jk sweet game

[@toufufou1325]

That was an amazing game

[@Tumasch]

Am I blind or are there no deck lists?

[@ujai5271]

I wonder what Maxime Vamped for

[@MorphioEnzo]

Entreat the angels? More lile Ciclynic Rift...? Anyway amazing video as always, thank you so much for this guys!

[@DarkEinherjar]

I'm not sure if casting Cyclonic Rift on a board with so many ETB creatures would've been a good idea... especially a board with Eternal Witness, Genesis Hydra and a graveyard with Genesis Wave. Also, any board wipes he might have would have to hit Dom's enchantments and/or exile/bottom the creatures instead of destroying them.

[@fairy-nova5455]

yeah he thought about it but i was able to recast everything or mostly everything and the gen wave in my graveyard was gonna get picked back same with a wrath effect my greenwarden would've gotten me the same card but i had a doubler on board so yea

[@DeknasAnimated]

I run planar cleansing to super reset the board of all non land permanents

[@HaseoTCG]

@@DarkEinherjar thats exactly what was said at the table. gen wave was still in the grave with that E wit.

[@MorphioEnzo]

I get it, I mean, they were dead no matter what xDDD It’s good that people in the channel is not toxic at all and you can discuss a random coment.

[@nicoarancibiapozas5728]

still waiting on that surrak list

[@MrWhatsyourflavour]

Sweet Knight deck

[@vazp3]

Mi pana Miguel!

[@DarkEinherjar]

I can imagine the frustration on Maxime's face when Etali exiled that island he so desperately needed... :/

[@rodrigocosta2365]

he could vampiric tutor for the island

[@DarkEinherjar]

If that 17/17 construct token had connected, he would've gone down to 2 life and been out of the game. That's why he probably tutored for that Utter End.

[@Fear910]

Serves him right. He could swing at Max at the beggining to get the monarch token and use the tokens to protect it. But he swung at Dom and then at Miguel instead :/

[@ivernedit]

thats a sick bakugou playmat

[@TheBirdOfHermes11]

Dat Bakugo playmat though

[@monomanamaniac]

The point of those cards with ghired is to turn them into tokens, or it should be. Tokens that replicate themselves, even through combat, are invaluable

[@jiralishu]

That's why I want to add blue so I can use Progenitor Mimic and Spark Double. They're pretty killer together, especially on something like Kalonian Twingrove. Or SD my commander, and PG mimic the "non-leg" copy. Plus Helm of the Host gets me two of them a turn and if they're as kick-ass as Ghired, they just destroy shit with a several populate triggers and making my board hard as hell to break without wiping completely. tldr: I need a WURG token commander!!!!!!

[@monomanamaniac]

@@jiralishu I agree that adding blue would be amazing, though just adding red has been quite great for tokens though. I love my blue copy token cards, but find the red token cards are quite great. I love the thought of ghired partnered with brudiclad, too bad they can't partner

[@mattcurrin493]

Tf is wrong with the Addy Daddy in a populate deck, especially since it’s Ghired which is more aggro

[@adalwulf435]

Rhym of the Wild has to be on the battlefield before the creature to give it riot.

[@wrennthewizard144]

“Long may she reign”? I think that you spelled that wrong. For all my critter buddies out there: “Long may he reign!

[@travisbrandt8663]

Im surprised Max didnt get mad at the table keep taking the monarch from him

[@DarkEinherjar]

When monarch kicks in, people have no right to be mad at other people swinging at them for the crown. Everyone wants that extra card at the end of turn.

[@travisbrandt8663]

No i am saying all the regal behemoths lmao

[@DarkEinherjar]

Extra card and mana... Max would probably run a Behemoth of his own if it weren't for the color identity. :P

[@travisbrandt8663]

Like the one Behemoth came out like right after he played his commander. And then he played his commander again and ANOTHER one came out. I would’ve been like SERIOUSLY?! Lmao

[@HaseoTCG]

@@travisbrandt8663Max here, I was extremely upset they kept taking my monarch except when Miguel borrowed it to blow up that massive board

[@MrYosi90]

List coming never :)

[@Farticuno69]

*staring down 2 packed to fuck boards with a mystical tutor in hand while playing the best color combination when it comes to blowing up packed to fuck boards* "Entreet the Angels for 6"

[@Cyberium]

God, felt bad for Maxime. Mana screwed most of the game.

[@razieldacosta1806]

Giving giant adephage flying changes games.

[@Rodrigo_PN]

LISTS? GHIRED?

[@chortlesinthecorner]

I never understand when people sac a STE without attacking first. Is Dom really gonna block with his BOP lol

[@Bassguitarfreak]

deckllists please