Much Improved Jumping Hopper Minecart Bamboo Farm

[@robinlioret7998]

You can use redstone torches on side of non movable block to activate the trapdoors. The mc will go through the torch.

[@tyeriley5233]

Your videos bring me a great deal of peace even without understanding the full extent of redstone. I just enjoy watching all the innovations you constantly strive to make and, on behalf of the Minecraft community, I thank you for your efforts

[@james10zi85]

When ur finished with this interesting concept of the jumping minecarts, could you make an approach on how to make the 1.19 minecart unloaders usable for the nether?

[@ilmango]

Good idea

[@james10zi85]

@@ilmango thx :D

[@picanazo420]

use slime for the minecart to jump

[@saint.azrael]

@@james10zi85 genius

[@racernatorde5318]

I had spent some time after the last episode and tried around with the concept of having a flying machine below the farm to have the synchonized collection. But in short: No matter how you do it, you have so many item entities laying around while harvesting (Since they are not instantly picked up), that the whole concept feels useless in comparison to something like this. One thing that I thought aobut that might be quite useful though: When building these kind of farms and you actually use minecarts on rails for the item collection, wouldn't it often be better to not have them running in the same direction as the flying machines? If you have them perpendicular instead, you can launch the minecarts whenever the flying machines (The harvesters) have passed and might be able to achieve a somewhat synchronized collection. If you launch the flying machines with an offset, you can adjust for the travel speed of the minecarts as well

[@redthunder6183]

I think the only benefit to that design is that is is extremely cheap and really good for a typical survival world, but yeah not good for larger layouts

[@benjaminphipps8325]

I like the perpendicular idea. Should reduce item entities fairly fast while not being prohibitively difficult to build. Good idea

[@roderik1990]

@@benjaminphipps8325 especially if you stagger the flying machines to improve the flying machine/minecart synchronisation. Just having them fly sequentially could also help with the amount of lag this creates at any moment.

[@joevdb9232]

the problem is that you get the most bang for your buck by making the machine as long and narrow as possible, ilmango just builds them shorter for demo purposes. e.g. if you did 2 harvesters at max length, you have a 16x240 area of bamboo growing. by using perpendicular tracks, you need 240 minecart deployer/unloaders instead of 16. although you might be able to change the design, like funneling several minecarts into one unloader on return

[@racernatorde5318]

@@joevdb9232 Bamboo grows really fast. You don't wanna do the farm much longer than 100 blocks. At some point you will reach a point where making the farm longer will make it slower (Hey, someone could to the math!). And based on my resting testing with verious designs, I am pretty sure that that lenght is below 150 blocks (Based on a farm that harvests a two block high field)

[@awesometurtle9157]

Another benefit is watching the jumping minecarts is so satisfying 👍🏼

[@ebsolas]

I love when the fun approach happens to be the most efficient.

[@Federico-1]

This is what makes people get into technical Minecraft. Super cool videos past few days

[@lanatsif]

Such a treat of a design! Would have loved to see the switching blade concept as well but hey i know how long this all take to make ^^ Thank you for sharing your findings once again Mango!

[@adamkonicek9664]

would be interesting to see the modifications needed to make it feasible in the nether as well (since you can't have bubble elevators). i guess you'd have to have some well-timed pistons to launch the minecarts up

[@ilmango]

definitely slime launchers. A bit more effort but should definitely be doable

[@goiterlanternbase]

You can have flow water over the stalks. The water will prevent the bamboo from growing. The water will not flow through the stalks, so it is no collection method for fallen items, but it can prevent items from falling to the ground behind the harvester.

[@goiterlanternbase]

@Engineer Gaming Yupp. Something like this. I lack the english skills to describe the device🙄 Mabe better use the water bomber for the simple return variant, the first one. By returning it should delete the source blocks.

[@goiterlanternbase]

Flowing water, to flush the items from on top the stalks, to the side, spreads to slow😔

[@kruncher_]

I didn’t think I’d like this series as much as I have. It’s quite addicting seeing how iconic massive contraptions are made.

[@Koreyite]

A true hopper clock, using hoppers!

[@RAHGOTS]

This is just so impressive. I always look forward to your videos. Amazing content!

[@4Bucket2U]

imagine the fun you could have if you had the knowledge of this game more than most of the devs like ilmango, this games mechanics are what have kept me around for so many years

[@CarlosDerHund]

"... enough bamboo to power 100 Furnaces, so this would be a medium Furnace array." Ahhh yes. I would be ashamed if I had a Furnace array with just 100 Furnaces.

[@AkiSan0]

i still think my idea would be feasible as well: sequential harvester: - bambo on mud "10x10 block" that grows 15 high (or which hight/cycle time/width combination would be best). - send the minecarts out once, from a dispenser setup towards a instant unloader setup. each module is timed in a way that: machine 1 harvests -> once the items are sucked up -> machine two launches etc. when the last module harvests, the first module is grown to its max height. thus you have a small amount of items permanently, instead of a lot of items periodically. this would be nice to look at and to make it even more fancy, you can do that for smaller slices (as small as you can make the flying machines) and have them harvests in set intervals (to generate wave form patterns). edit: finally had the time to finish this video: the difference would be, that my version would not launch the harvesters all at the same time and would stretch the lag out a little, but i dont think it will make that much of a difference when were at just 5MSPT at load und 2,X ad idle...

[@joevdb9232]

we still have the problem of items sitting on bamboo though right?

[@cerebraldreams4738]

@@joevdb9232 - If you limit to 8x8 you can use water streams to push the bamboo off, then launch the minecarts and shut off the water stream to allow the bamboo to grow again while output is being harvested.

[@philosophersage]

items sitting on mud can pass through the mud and onto a hopper below

[@EmielvanderVelden]

jesus dude... I love your contraptions. I also love your accent. Thanks for the top notch content!

[@ssvis2]

I like the literal hopper clock.

[@ibrayuri8386]

in the second design at 1:30 if you water log the railway and put (powered raid, 2 normal, powered rail) I guess it will work

[@dabber_47]

For the farm shown at 1:20 you could maybe waterlog the rails making the minecarts slower

[@Dani_1001]

Its still not perfect, in mangos version most items get instantly collected

[@OlaNordmann123]

dosent work

[@racernatorde5318]

Even with perfectly synchonized speed, you would have too many item entites laying around before they get picked up and before they get pushed off the bamboo, should they land on top of it

[@Knuts_n]

I've been looking for a bamboo farm to fuel a 64x furnace array that I have hooked up to a sand duper and this by far looks the most promising!

[@elric_l9852]

Wow... how little I know, so much to learn... Thanks!

[@jarednthomas]

13:08 "the minecarts will be launched" Dude I watched this like 10 times. And I'm going back for slow mo. The nonchalance with which you say that 😂

[@konraddapper7764]

In the Case of the two flying maschine Design you can eliminate most of the items lag. If you either Limit your farm to Just two hight Bamboo. Or construct 2block tale top sweeper. It is slighty less lagg efficent but also slighty simpler to bulid.

[@ncolyer]

cant u have 2 rows of 12 trapdoors and push and pull each row once the flying machine gets to the end? i.e. once the flying machine reaches the end, instead of moving around the initial trapdoors, just store a new set of trapdoors that you can simply push down and then resend off the flying machine

[@joevdb9232]

wdym? i don't understand what you're suggesting

[@ncolyer]

@@joevdb9232 check my edit

[@ovencake523]

he ends up not moving the trapdoors at all and just moving the minecarts, which is a lot simpler no real reason to move the trapdoors when he found a better way already

[@ncolyer]

@@ovencake523 it's a better way but at the cost of more lag from not only the additional flying machines, but also the additional unloading modules needed at both ends, this idea would halve that amount

[@aughlnal7333]

​@@ncolyer Moving trapdoors isn't even necessary with this design. The additional modules at the ends are there to unload and reload the minecarts and to move the flying machine to the other side, so the minecarts are in front on the return trip.

[@allenamenbesetzt]

The farm is near perfect, but can it be simplified by adding bamboo-less lanes for the flying machine? Then it wouldn't matter if the flying machines push or pull the scythes, and you wouldn't need a contraption for them to switch the side.

[@skylerlehmkuhl135]

This is what I was thinking - a bit less compact, but way less complexity at the turnaround stations.

[@racernatorde5318]

You can't pull the slide with the minecarts on them or they will fall off. But of course, the concept would still fix the issues of harvesting stuff with the engine. But this has the trade effort of more build effort

[@skylerlehmkuhl135]

@@racernatorde5318 You'd put trapdoors on both sides of the slime/honey blocks like ilmango did; this just solves the problem of having to move the engine around to the other side.

[@racernatorde5318]

@@skylerlehmkuhl135 But then you can only harvest a three block wide strip of bamboo per module. You probably need 2-3 blocks for the engine/walls and thus lose half the space. Of course, space doesn't have to be an issues

[@ismellsalt]

So I made a working version of this which is in fact a lot simplified, downside is each flying machine now only has space for 3 minecarts because of push limit, so every 4th block is used for the engine. Meaning a 25% loss of space efficiency for a much simplified build. Debatable if worth it

[@NealjanYT]

this is incredible great job, I´d love to have a tutorial for this I will definitly build it in survival

[@Loup_Garou]

Idk if anyone else suggested the dual blade design but i.k i did so thanks for considering my idea

[@Makolino]

This is the pinnacle of overengineering and i love it

[@jeffking]

You could stagger the launching of the flying machines, so only a portion of them are moving at any given time. This would be easy efficiency to gain for the server.

[@ilmango]

not really with this design. they would get stuck on each other. ofc you could do it in general, but I see very little benefit when the whole thing runs at 3 mspt. If you add a second layer for example you could just have an offset. It's more effort to make a design that can't get stuck on each other or have gaps in between.

[@travcollier]

Instead of moving the blade up out of the way, maybe moving the flying machine up and then back down would be easier. An alternate idea is just to have the blades come out of the sides of the flying machines and no bamboo in the lanes with the machines. Less space efficient by a bit, but tons simpler

[@somratkhan8688]

Ilmango stopping the rise of the MSPT one video at a time. Making our future lag friendly, efficient and fast!

[@snowballeffect7812]

8:51 for reference to improved unloader.

[@rfresa]

This is truly amazing!

[@parthsodha379]

what a freaking genius ❤

[@tricky2917]

Self building redstone. 👏

[@camjack1221]

Suggestion: put the flying machine on top of the blade; it will work for 2 high bamboo, any higher then just stop the blades and let the flying machine fly forward so when it comes back it’ll pick up the blades along the way; love your videos, it’s very inspiring

[@gharrison4301]

I too was thinking about putting the blades below the flying machines… they could fly at the same y level as the “ceiling”, of course then the ceiling would be a block or 2 higher on the few x axis’ where the the flying machines were (1/3 of the farm would have a 4 or 5 high ceiling). One caveat is that I think the blades would have to be only 3 long instead of 4. Therefore more flying machines, but then the contraption to swap which side the blades are on the flying machines is eliminated, simplifying the whole farm.

[@oblivion_2852]

Basically perfect solution I do wonder if there's an easier fix on the minecarts being pushed too far forward on the blades at the end tho. Good work regardless

[@lordwile2769]

I had an idea like multiple layer bamboo farm with flying machines but flying machine will not pick its layer. Instead it will be collecting the upper layer. Like 4 wide layers dirt/bamboo/slime or honey/minecart with hopper so slime or honey won't stick to dirt. Hope you understand. I want to see you making farm like this Ilmango.

[@hammer_wizrd2264]

Every time i see one of your videos my immediate thought is "what magical fuckery has this genious cooked up today"

[@zedrikcayne]

Bamboo requires light to grow... so you could make the ceiling solid blocks with redstone lamps. Turn the lamps off while collecting so you get no wasted items and back on to grow.

[@Noah-ost]

Nice! Keep up the good work Mango!

[@liampouncy7808]

This is ridiculous.

[@tlalocman9260]

Now I wonder if mango would come out with this kind of farm for kelp

[@ilmango]

kelp item collection is already super simple and efficient. just use the water streams. I guess if you go super large scale there might be a point using minecarts to reduce item entity lag, but it would probably be very tricky and has downsides.

[@3meek312]

Its great, amazing even, to the fact i want to recreate it with slight alternatives, but i can only recreate so much with the info given, i would love to see a tutorial video on this concept, maybe ill refine it later...

[@stijnvandensande3579]

the old designs are still the best.

[@Emile50]

I would kinda like to see a minecart version of this where you send a bunch of carts out on same track at the same time. The carts can either just be quick unloaded on the other side or a bunch(maybe all) of them could back on a single return rail. I'm sure it will reduce the amount of bamboo entities much faster, but I dont know if the increase in minecarts makes it not worth it

[@joevdb9232]

but if you're using minecarts on rails beneath the farm, you will always have the problem of bamboo sitting on the stalks

[@brandonkirincich8181]

that would almost certainly be laggier as well.

[@LightningAussie]

11:45 the working farm

[@DaKink]

great content and great explanations :D

[@LadyEmilyNyx]

what if you just pushed the flying machine up a few blocks before you sent it back, so that it's not hitting anything on the way back, then push it back down into position on the other side, so it only ever breaks the bamboo going in the one direction?

[@femto55]

or down so the way back goes below the dirt layer

[@racernatorde5318]

Bamboo grows very fast and you don't wanna allow it to grow taller than three blocks (Only harvesting the op two blocks of course) or you will have items laying around. Maybe if you sent the machine back above the roof, but I dunno if that is really worth it

[@esuvii]

Another idea: How about making the flying machine wider so that there are no air blocks between the front and back sweepers - that way there is no space for the bamboo to grow as it sweeps edit: nevermind I finished the video and your solution is way cooler! :D

[@Federico-1]

Idk what gnembon does at mojang but i like to think he got them to make the hopper minecart change

[@ilmango]

we mentioned it to kingbdogz. not sure who exactly did the change though.

[@stew.c]

Genius!

[@MTBiSLiVE]

This farm is great, especially for 1.20 where bamboo is really useful. However i'm facing a weird issue since a few days. Recently the farm broke on me due to a server crash, no big deal, just rebuild the flying machines, but ever since i did that some minecarts get pushed too far to the edge of the trapdoor when reaching the east end of the farm. Its always the same ones that do that, the ones attached to the one slimeblock right in front of the flying machine. Basically when they reach the east end, those minecarts continue moving to the edge of the trapdoor before being pulled up which than leads to the minecarts dropping onto the amethyst bud instead of the rail next to it and thus not being broken. I have no idea why this happens, i have verified that the schematic is correct multiple times, but they keep doing that. Update: I found the mistake, it was caused by a missing comparator next to the droppers that activate the piston line which is meant to stop these exact minecarts

[@malmiteria]

you could get rid of the last few items on the ground by having the engine one block higher, this way, only bamboos that would grow twice in between the retraction and extension of the engine pistons would break and end up on the floor. I'm sure you could even make the engine overlap with the slime / honey lines, so the pistons extending would extend over the trapdoors, and wouldn't risk the bamboos growing there. Also, wouldn't having the redstone blocks powering the trapdoors coming from the side instead of from above make the wiring a bit easier? It might require reworking the flying machine engine a little, idk, but if you have it above the machines, you don't necesserly need to move the engine around the machines

[@silvermagpie1071]

So... the main problem with this that I'm seeing is that this would make each blade shorter, because you'd have to put another sticky block on the layer above, which eats into the push limit. You'd also have to make the whole flying machine just one block tall, because otherwise it'd start clipping with the roof. You could maybe do something where another machine above pulls up and pushes the roof back, but that might be laggier than it's worth

[@ultimateo621]

If you send a flying machine under you don’t have to use trapdoors to break the bamboo there might be a block that will cause the bamboo to behave predictably

[@ATOM-vv3xu]

du solltest für die Flugmaschinen Extensions verwenden, die machen es viel kompakter und verringern auch das problem mit bambus der zwischen den Pistons wächst

[@andrewjamesgrantsnider]

would raising the trailing blade as the harvester crosses work for this? I think it might be simpler as you could probably keep most of the original design and might even be able to use the same set of pistons to both lower the arriving blade and raise the departing one

[@edward9674]

This is the kind of farm i'd use my golems for. IF I HAD MY THAUMCRAFT GOLEMS ON CURRENT VERSION

[@viktorbergman517]

Well what if you have 2 harvesting arms on top? One which will harvest the bulk of it, then some bamboo will grow but probably very few will grow more than 1 block, so the 2nd set of arms would swipe of all of the items and harvest mostly 2 high block bamboo which would always fall down. Then you have the flying machine on the bottom, only problem i see is that it would take longer to collect all the items, which means they'd lag more while they're entities

[@FloofWolfe]

Would this same concept work in a kelp farm? Or would the minecarts on the trapdoors not behave properly when under water? (Or maybe they wouldn't do a good job collecting broken kelp because in the water the items would fly out a bit further and start floating up out of range, instead of falling down into the minecraft with gravity...?)

[@ITS_THE_GANJAH]

I have this in a redstone testing world and it works perfectly, built it on a server the minecarts never line up no matter the timing. Sucks for sure, as this is great with the new wood from bamboo

[@dextrosity7350]

Is your server paper/spigot because if so that's probably why

[@grandamdan99]

What about leaving a blade at each end? And swapping the blade in use when it gets to the end?

[@Rocky0_99]

Why do you pull the “head” of the flying machine up only to power the trapdoors when you could pull it down just once and the minecart will snap to the rails? This would use less resources and cause less lag.

[@ismellsalt]

You need to clear space for the engine to switch sides

[@frankdev]

Is there a reason you gotta harvest in both directions? Could the blade move across, go below farm, return back to base, ride up for next harvest? Maybe just as complicated as alternatives

[@ilmango]

that's definitely more complicated

[@ClAddict]

Wouldn’t it be easier to move the roof and the flying machine mechanism up a level and centered over the blades? You’d still have the shorter blades, but you’d avoid the whole swap blades and mechanism problem with them being on the same y level. I feel like that layout would even simplify the flying mechanism as it would be dragging, not pushing the blades. Maybe the pushing is important?

[@Prekoniker]

i know this is an old video but i would love to see how you construct the Redstone part as someone who is not good with it i'd love to see how its done

[@Markus-zb5zd]

damn, didn't know bamboo can land on bamboo xD

[@rodrigofernandes1771]

Pls make a video showing the scicraft ice farm with the world download

[@OlaNordmann123]

Such a fun farm! Maybe connect a furnace array up to it next? 🤔

[@NirajMhatre08]

Can you make a small version of this farm. It is humongous for my hardcore world

[@theDigited]

The problem with fueling any decently sized array of furnaces with bamboo is that you need 4 bamboo per furnace every 10 seconds... That's a serious strain on bamboo distribution system, as well as a stream of carts going almost one after another. Not worth it. It's easier to power a kelp smelter to make kelp blocks and then use them in any furnaces.

[@sebastiantum12]

It’s just an idea, but what about a flying machine with two slime bamboo breaker one in front and one behind to knock down the bamboo that lands on top of other bamboos and another flying machine beneath slightly behind the top one that picks up the bamboo?

[@moox100]

i like the trapdoor pushing mechanism more personally, its complicated in a neat way and I Feel like it would be cool to watch

[@gariannobinger9933]

Neat. If it was made longer than it is wide, could it be double stacked in a plus pattern? An east-west farm stacked on a north-south farm.

[@ilmango]

I think this design is actually directional because of the minecart mechanics

[@BunniBuu]

Having a flying machine that flies at half speed would solve a lot of issues since it would give more time for the minecart hoppers to collect. Only issue is if the bamboo grows quick enough to impede the flying machine..

[@ilmango]

I don't see any issues at this point tbh

[@EtheE]

What if you covered the entire farm in non-transparent blocks, then used redstone lamps to turn off the light around the flying machine so that the bamboo can't grow? Would the light updates cause too much lag to be worth it?

[@ilmango]

I don't see the benefit. There were about 20 item entities left in the end. Nothing to worry about.

[@snmfsquirrel87]

Next is this concept, but for kelp 😂

[@rokstojanovic5012]

Hey, can you do a frog light farm next?

[@SirJerric]

So it's 100 wide, and you can supply 100 furnaces? Sounds like you could build the furnace array right there below or above it, and it would average enough bamboo while you are there to run the furnaces.

[@shadowgamer1474]

One question: Does the rooted dirt have a impact on how fast the bamboo grows

[@mhok100]

Seems like the issue with the second farm is fixed by the first farm having a back that is pushing the items off the top of the bamboo stalks immediately. Have you thought about an Omni directional design that uses hopper-carts on back and front at the same time?

[@viktorbergman517]

More lag unfortunately

[@adicsbtw]

9:40 could someone explain exactly why it is that the redstone torch doesn't power the piston? Do pistons just not accept indirect power from blocks on the side, or is there something more technical going on that stops this from just extending the piston and either keeping it extended or making a clock?

[@keyofamajor]

pistons do not accept power from the block theyre facing. unless theyre facing up, but thats qc, not direct powering

[@RyanEglitis]

Couldn't you avoid the QC issue by pulling down the sweeper arm instead of pulling it up?

[@miraflynn8935]

Would having a second set of hopper minecarts under the areas where the last few items are left be worth it? Fewer items on the ground but more redstone happening.

[@mathijsvalem1047]

So to be clear, our server is on 1.18.2 and its only 1.19+?

[@nochsta]

Could you put the flying machines one block higher? You’d need to shorten the blades, I suppose, as they’d need a block on top to push them by. But then you shouldn’t have to worry about the bamboo growing between the pistons.

[@ilmango]

bamboo can grow 1-2 blocks high when random ticked

[@kelathos]

I dread the day they fix carpet duping, and force us to go through such a labyrinthian design to get fuel. They should just let us burn moss.

[@ilmango]

most people make a tree farm for fuel

[@Grz349]

If lag from the dropped items is the main problem would it be worth having a mechanism that moves the player out of range for a couple of seconds so the items despawn?

[@ilmango]

That's not how despawning works for items

[@SnakeSnack]

Could you make one that lifts the back side up a block, then reverses it when it changes directions?

[@0x19]

ilmango!

[@minigamer4262]

Wouldnt you get problems with a 200 long farm that the minecarts would fill up, if you try to fit 2x200 items into 5x64 slots per row?

[@ilmango]

Not all bamboo would have grown

[@jannis11]

nice

[@tomozbot]

Can’t you just put the trapdoors with the minecarts under the slime/honey? That way it works in either direction?

[@racernatorde5318]

Then the carts fall off. Honey with slabs below works

[@tomozbot]

@@racernatorde5318 yeah sorry honey with slabs was what I meant. Just had a brain fart and got the two solutions confused.

[@saladlegs4755]

Is there anything important I should do in 1.18 before updating?

[@animehardstyle1318]

why switch the side of the blade? have a blade attach and one detach at each side

[@ionlymadethistoleavecoment1723]

To reduce lag, what about staggering the harvesting blades (so they don’t all run at once)? That way bamboo can always be getting harvested while older sections are already fully grown. And since only so much is getting harvested at once, and only so many flying machines are moving at a time, I would assume it’s more lag friendly.

[@viktorbergman517]

Overall it'd be the same ig, but it definitely helps reducing lag spikes

[@yashgangodkar7159]

Why not just put sticky blicks on both sides and the power the trapdoors you can just use the same flying machine while going the other way

[@Slinel]

ilmangoose

[@vzachari]

Completely unrelated to the video, but does anybody know why guardians would enter a portal to the nether from the overworld, fall down a few blocks but then fail to exit the nether from another portal that links to the overworld (different position compared to the entrance)? They just get stuck there and the nether portal has no effect on them. This is for Java Minecraft 1.18.2

[@racernatorde5318]

There is a cooldown before they can go through a netherportal again. I think it was one minute. I suppose there is not enough time inbetween the two portals and once they are in the bottom portal, the timer enther gets reset or stops working. This is also why you can sent an armour stand through a portal and it will stay inside the portal forever

[@vzachari]

@@racernatorde5318 Thank you! hmmmmmm. I see. Back to the drawing board. I have the guardians fall through powdered snow to account for the cooldown. Maybe I need to increase the distance they travel before reaching the nether portal.