Why Manga Don’t Last in Shonen Jump

[@ignitetensei]

First of all, I'm not here to shit on this video or act like I'm on a higher plane or something but there are things that has to be clarified with this topic because there are some misinformation in this video. So, Jajanken displays ONLY the Table of Content of the Weekly Shounen Jump current issues (basically the order of the chapters in it). While Jajanken says these are "ranks" probably it is only a misinterpreted/wrongly translated thing because the original website is japanese, but these are not rankings. Table of Content is NOT equal with the real popularity of the series. Just to see it through, the real ranking works this way nowadays: Readers can buy the online/web version of Weekly Shounen Jump and at the end, after all chapter there's a survey that asks for your favorite Top3 in the current issue and also a few information about yourself. This survey create a ranking every week at the editorial department but the results are NOT public for anyone and there's no public information about any kind of ranking by the publisher. In Bakuman the ranking is very important of course, but you can see that every time these things are told by the editors, because it's an internal information and it is known only by the company and it's employes. The Table of Content (the order of the chapters), that you can check every week on Jajanken, decided by the Deputy Chief Editor of Weekly Shounen Jump. It is a misconception that ToC = Popularity in Jump and it has been proven wrong multiple times by people like Oda-sensei himself (it was a popular topic because yes, it can be misleading). While the survey and the popularity has an effect on the decision of the weekly ToC it is not the real deal. There are a lot of factors behind the decision, but the Deputy Chief's most important job with the chapter order is to make a unique and smooth reading experience in the Jump issue. Of course there are established schemes regarding the ToC, like more popular series, new oneshots are mostly in the front (or the first half of the issue) and first chapters of new series always the first in order (this is what you see with Two on Ice, MamaYuyu and Kagurabachi as well in the latest issues, that's why the are #1, it's not about popularity at all). But there's a lot of case that things goes other ways because the current issue requires it. Like you could see with Undead Unluck, it is a really popular manga series in Jump but all of a sudden last week it was placed #15 in "ranking" on Jajanken but this week it's #1, if you think about it, this makes no sense at all (also this #1 is probably can be explained by the coming anime adaptation of the series, just another factor for the decision of the ToC). Yes, you can notice that series on the bottom of the ToC list have a higher cancellation ratio. Of course if a manga is in the second half in the current Jump issue then less people gonna read it because mostly people just run through their favorite series (mostly these are the popular ones that er in the front) and then they stop reading. BUT there are many chances for comebacks even for the most unpopular series (ofc it's really hard) like when they get a Colored page for your chapter (if you have a colored page, mostly these chapter are in the first half of the issue) or if there are things with your series that has marketing value (like an anime adaptation) your gonna be much more higher in the ToC. Sorry for the long comment, but I think it is important to clarify these things because people tend to judge by these "rankings" and they won't read a manga just because it is on bottom of a nonsignificant list. If you want a more accurate ranking system, you can watch the sales of the tankobon books by volume in a specific time interval (like sales on first week, month etc.) but because changes in economy it is not that accurate either. There are no real public rankings so don't be fooled by the ToC because it's not a legit ranking. As a comicbook artist/mangaka myself all I can say is that read what you are interested in and enjoy it and support the manga and the mangaka because it means a lot for us creators!

[@mugenbop]

I appreciate you taking the time to type this out and post it, does very much show how we won’t ever know what will succeed especially with their internal rankings :) I had trouble finding many sources of mangaka’s personal experiences and would love to read them if you have some for example

[@Nevinhere]

@@mugenbop I still think Mangaka should find a new place for their amazing mangas on a whole scale.

[@TheKinglyWay]

You must realize that I aint reading all that

[@N3mis1s]

yap yap yap

[@MADKapo]

So Ichinose Family is probably safe? It's at the bottom of the TOC but it's selling well.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

I want to hear about a mangaka taking a story Jump rejected and becoming iconic with a different publisher

[@dark_nightwing_xl2797]

Attack on titan

[@mugenbop]

Probably has happened many times they just don’t talk about it :)

[@aquabotol2413]

@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 i mean with isayama early art it's just no way it Will survive in Shounen jump 😂😂

[@dark_nightwing_xl2797]

@@aquabotol2413 I saw it it wasn’t that bad

[@bark10sui]

@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 it was tbh, the drawing was dogshit, but great story tho

[@Mand0117]

10 months later and Kagurabachi is thriving. Love to see it.

[@mugenbop]

👏🏼

[@theanonymouschicken169]

Jujutsu Kaisen was a one shot and the author only intended it to be a one and done series (shown with how jjk 0) but it got so popular he fleshed it out and made Yuji/Sukuna which has the opposite relationship between Yuta/Rika

[@tatersalad76]

Gege was also going to bring Yuta back to take the lead after Sukuna killed Yuji because the series wasn't selling well and they were worried jjk would get canceled. But hilariously enough, killing off your main character after a dozen chapters creates a lot of buzz. So the series started thriving afterwards 😅

[@KaiserNetwork]

@@tatersalad76 and now Gege is on killing spree.

[@RachelScalfani]

Well it shows, the plot has gone way off the rails. And the rules make no sense. Oh well…

[@gandalfilgrigio97]

it's pretty clear he really wants jjk to end soon (so he's apparently gonna give yuji some crazy powerup so he can beat sukuna)

[@gandalfilgrigio97]

@@RachelScalfani honestly, the rules are the only thing interesting left in the series (even if they are not always clear)

[@alsosprachzarathustra4756]

The crazy thing is, series created by hit creators don’t get any exceptions either. Kishimotos manga “Samurai 8” was cancelled after 43 chapters. Even his name couldn’t get him through it.

[@directorslife]

I was so sad about this one, I loved samurai 8, what a pity.

[@Jonathan-tw4xm]

It would have done better if it was also a anime at the same time.

[@alsosprachzarathustra4756]

@@Jonathan-tw4xm It needs to do good to get an anime in the first place.

[@youare5907]

Think that's moreso cause people care about a series way more than the creator itself.

[@billyboleson2830]

@@youare5907 In japan thats absolutely true in the states not so much

[@noOtherFs]

Oh man we probably fucked over the author of Kagura-bachi by memeing it so hard, because in an interview, he saw the reception of his series overseas being so overwhelmingly positive, not knowing that a lot of those were in reality probably memeing it. It probably is good (I haven’t read it yet), but we’ve probably set a super unrealistic expectation for it going forwards just because of the memes

[@mugenbop]

I really hope this doesn’t end up happening as this would be a case of manga memes destroying a manga

[@vihurah9554]

Its nothing insane, but its pretty cool. I hope the author gets a fair shot at cooking

[@mathslnunes]

he is not stupid, he knows.

[@a.jordan9288]

That was fake thankfully

[@oliver8824]

you like to consume fake information in the internet, you don’t even bother researching. there was no interview. that was confirmed to be absolutely fake

[@fillycheesesteak1317]

I’m still so mad about Ayashimon it felt so different from every other manga at the time and to this day I still hope that it will somehow come back

[@ahmaddeham_]

lets keep praying bro, one day it will 🙏

[@dot-comintelligence9148]

I TOTALLY AGREE!!

[@The_Ajna]

It was such a good series. I'm praying for the return

[@dariustheotaku9073]

It had so much potential

[@DanPeters182]

Same, I've made sure to buy the volumes as they come out so that hopefully they see it's popularity.

[@AemithSul]

...that wasn't a picture of Oda. That was Eiji Aunoma, executive producer of the Zelda series. And not even Kishimoto is immune to the axe. His Samurai 8 was cancelled after 5 volumes

[@clydu91]

It's a running gag on the internet.

[@Xanthony1k]

@@clydu91 No, people genuinely believe that’s Oda, not as a joke

[@firsonic125]

​@@Xanthony1kgeez can you blame them? Stop being a defensive retard, asshole, take a joke.

[@Finalslashes]

@@AemithSul well samurai 8 was horseshit so midshimoto deserved that like what did he expect

[@josepass2563]

It's so frustrating whenever I'm invested in a series, only for it to get axed after a few chapters. Phantom Seer, Hunter's Guild and recently Fabricant 100 are all some examples (I'll never forgive SJ for getting rid of Phantom Seer).

[@vars1449]

I doubt they are seeking for your forgiveness.

[@placate9051]

​​@@vars1449I doubt your therapist is doing a good job if you don't understand what that phrase means😂

[@capperbuns]

Same bro, phantom seer was so good...😢

[@jackmakila3776]

Damn fabricant 100 got axed

[@BeYoND_9000]

yawn 🥱 embarrassing comment

[@manul_neko]

This video reminded me of the time I spent my limited allowance to buy WJ and send a letter to vote for Gintama every single week. It was always ranked low on the ToC in the beginning, and I desperately wanted it to stay. After a year or so, somehow it survived and ended up with 77 volumes. I know my votes didn’t actually do much, but I’m so proud of myself even after almost 20 years.

[@mugenbop]

thats sick as :)

[@urieldhka]

Dude, Gintama (like Bleach) was selling the same (and even more in some months) number of volumes as My Hero Academia despite being placed in the latter half of the magazine. The editor in chief usually places old, popular series like those two to give less popular series a chance to be read by proximity. As long as people are still buying merch and volumes, the manga won't be cancelled.

[@manul_neko]

@@urieldhkaBelieve me, Gintama wasn’t like Bleach or Naruto from the beginning. It wasn’t really popular and could have been canceled anytime during its first year of serialization. I knew how mangas got canceled in WJ bc I’ve been reading it since 90s and that’s why i was so desperate🤣

[@ades6695]

Me and my little bro like Gintama so much. I'm happy that it was able to reach a proper end.

[@adiazrue5776]

Quick correction that the pic of the guy in 13:57 is *not* Eichiro Oda. That is the Legend of Zelda producer Eiji Aonuma lmao

[@Lilfern710]

One series I’m surprised hasn’t been cancelled is Ruridragon. I know it says on hiatus due to the author’s health but it’s been more than a year since we’ve gotten any news. I’m also bummed that Earthchild got cancelled. The characters were so likable and the story was so sweet

[@aketsuuu]

Ruri Dragon sold 200k copies for its first volume alone; it isn't going anywhere. Sales are the biggest indicator of a series' success, and if a series can't hold those numbers it gets cancelled. They probably just wanted to test to see if Ruri Dragon was worth keeping around even if it's on hiatus.

[@ComicCrossing]

The hiatus will kill it even if it does come back. Its a flash in the pan that didnt take advantage of its popularity due to unfortunate circumstances. If it does come back there is no chance it can get that popularity back. Itll be canned within another 12 chapters Id bet. Get it to 3 volumes. Maybe 5 if its lucky@@aketsuuu

[@CamomileCloud]

Earth child had a lot of potential but the story quickly became a mess....tbh, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.

[@Lilfern710]

@@CamomileCloud If it wasn’t axed the story wouldn’t have become a mess, the author did all that so the manga could have an “ending” I think he knew a few months in advance that the manga was getting cancelled

[@CamomileCloud]

@@Lilfern710 I kind of disagree. For as awesome as chapter 1 was, it quickly devolved into something predictable and kind of boring. The one I'm sad didn't get to have its proper ending was PPPPPPP. If anything, it was like the opposite scenario: I didn't have high expectations based on chapter 1 but it got better and better and better...and then it was axed and we didn't get to finish the story the author wanted to tell.

[@DBZimran]

This was an amazing video! Didn't even know where the time went, well done and keep up the good work!

[@panpan1287]

The major thing is that really, Shonen Jump will need a new hit sooner rather than later. MHA and JJK are both in their Final Arcs. Black Clover moved over to Jump Giga. And Sakamoto Days and Mission: Yozakura Family are probably also approaching their finales within the next few years. Even One Piece is in it's final saga. And right now they have nothing to replace those Weekly Series. The only other really established series they have are Monthly stuff like Boruto, DBS or World Trigger, and something like Blue Box of Chainsaw Man. Both of which aren't gonna last forever. The mega-series era of Shonen Jump from The Big 3 Era has passed. Most series finish within 200-250 chapters nowadays. They need to start giving new series more of a shot before the magazines titans end for good. Right now, the only newer series they have are Mamayuyu (which probably has the best shot), Kagurabachi (Which is nothing but a meme), Shojo Null (Which is basically just Elden Lied but with robots), Wild Strawberry (Which is just Chainsaw Man but less interesting so far), and Two on Ice (Which won't fill the Battle Shonen void.)

[@spencerl.9859]

Will be interesting to see how much One Piece ending will affect sales. I have to imagine there's a significant portion of people who only buy weekly for that series.

[@qukijoba5262]

Sakamoto days is not ending soon. Most successful manga in jump last for 200-250 chapters , the big three are the exception not the norm . Only 8 manga in wsj have lasted for over a decade . Here are the promising newcomers which don't show signs of ending withing the next year : Nues exorcist , kill blue , akane banashi , sakamoto days , the elusive samurai and witch watch . Also you don't know the difference between jump plus and weekly shonen jump .

[@skyblade7438]

The amount of people backing MamaYuyu in the comments warms my heart. I could see Nue’s Exorcist running for a while, but it’s definitely based on it’s popularity in Japan, the west did not care for.

[@ベタ凪-n2d]

ビッグタイトルが終わるたびに日本でもそう言われ続けているけど、新たな時代を作る漫画は待っていればいずれ出てきます 読者が焦る必要はありません その為にも面白くない漫画は早々に打ち切り、新たな漫画を少年ジャンプに取り入れ続ける事が重要です

[@VexJinks]

Meh, the Shonen Jump way of publishing manga is archaic anyways. Just publish the manga in volumes and call it a day. No more chapter by chapter nonsense.

[@Artofizanagi]

This makes Oda more of a demon. To able to satisfy the Shonen Jump overlords consistently is incredibly scary but aspiring.

[@MD.1111]

I don't know what you mean. Kagurabachi is the most succesful, longest running manga of all time

[@mugenbop]

This is true

[@gustavopereira4924]

The Live Action was pure badass before badass was cool

[@Peikkomies]

It always sucks when a series you like gets shut down. For me the first time it happened was with Yasuhiro Kanō's Mx0. Still Shonen Jump is a physical written publication, so you have only so much space to give. Someone has to move away to make room for new stories.

[@Deckaio]

Sure, but Shueisha has other publications. And let's not forget their app/Shōnen Jump+/Manga Plus releases. I'm surprised how few are given a second chance on one of the other platforms. I can't image it's always the Bakuman-reason of either go big or go home.

[@aketsuuu]

@@Deckaio Series like Mx0 and Psyren could have used the move, or even PPPPPP in recent times... But back then those options didn't exist for the first two, and PPPPPP was declining. Changing magazines won't suddenly fix poor sales relative to the rest of Weekly Shonen Jump. They have to cancel things that just aren't profitable.

[@Kaimax61]

@@aketsuuu Moving around doesn't Fix poor sales. Moving only fixes any bad scheduling that the author is in. and you see most that was moved was just for more lax schedules.

[@andimjustalex]

New series like Kagurabachi, MamaYuyu & Two on Ice aren't being ranked yet. Jump's editorial department generally doesn't start accounting for the popularity of a new series in that series' ToC placement until eight weeks into its run.

[@smittypwnz]

Kagurbachi however has higher views on Japanese mangaplus app then "hits" that survived like Kill Blue and Nue's Exorcist. We can expect this one to survive, though the other two don't seem likely. Though I am curious to see their TOC rankings and eventual volume 1 sales.

[@methos4866]

volume sales tend to be the first big metric. If the sales are low and they slip to the bottom of the ToC then the axe ain't too far behind. Especially for a manga like Kagurabachi. I'll be picking up the first volume though just to support it same as i'm doing with Martial Master Asumi.

[@di8085]

Kagurabachi is super hype, people only hyping up in the internet if they not support the real author you know what happen next

[@Kaimax61]

@@smittypwnz Views doesn't matter. it's SALES that matter.

[@hive2444]

bro thought kagurabachi was gonna get axed im SICK

[@mugenbop]

oh did I?

[@kaivrc8875]

one of the best and most entertaining anime and manga creators on the platform. Love every video!

[@lilpenn7516]

At his point I'm just praying they don't axe Cipher Academy, I'm content with it not being popular but I just want it to survive long enough to conclude naturally.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

I love the series but I’m surprised it’s still alive, it’s just so different from other manga in the Shonen Jump’s usual line up. Very happy that it’s doing pretty well though.

[@kuromusse9604]

Fr was surprised as well, and I thought it would get axed by now. I'll have to catch up to it

[@bastysoriano5030]

I hope it doesn't get a PPPPPP treatment. The sudden end of that manga broke me.

[@weedweeb9211]

I'm a Nisioisin shill so please let this one live even though i doesn't read it because I'm too dumb to join in the puzzle

[@justseanyt]

Sadly last week it was axed 😢

[@frappessb8246]

I wonder if western audiences can influence the Shonen decisions more since so far the only way for a lot of people is online. Id love to show my support for newer series that I enjoy because I don't want another Deadman's Wonderland situation where it was insanely popular in the west and even got 1 season as an anime just for it to get cancelled because it wasn't very popular in japan.

[@faeylis]

The manga finished atleast

[@beatlegrave5734]

That series deserved so much better, I had to go read the manga after I found out the anime was no more and it's a good story. I hope that in the future the series is done again with more care

[@Kaimax61]

Import the manga. and send in the votes. no seriously. international sales is the least they look for.

[@elinasanglert1520]

Having a job that you could lose so easily because of rankings and popularity sounds like a nightmare. Mangaka already have to do so much work but then that work being judged against the best manga in the world sounds so so stressful.

[@bobjohnson1633]

That's Japan for you

[@DP-jt6xx]

@@bobjohnson1633 that's basically all creative jobs and entertainment jobs around the world.

[@Kaimax61]

No one is forcing them, they can go indie all they want. but they know going into SJ is the most fastest way to get people's attention.

[@nichescenes]

It's a nightmare to creativity as a whole that popularity matters more than good storytelling. Sometimes they mix. But when one piece had to get a one shot before getting the okay...and was looked at side eyed, and attack on titan got the no go...it's obvious something is off. lol.

[@Verte7]

Table of contents does not reflect the popularity polls one to one. They're correlated and you can guess a series consistently placing high on one is doing the same on the other, but we never get the actual data that matters. This is why volume sales and a bunch of other factors are also vital for predicting axes and series performance. We get exact numbers on volume sales every week and if things are doing well in that regard, they often survive longer than most axes. This is why things like PPPPPP, Cipher Academy, Undead Unluck, and Ichinose (kinda) get to stick around despite prolonged early stays at the bottom of the ToC

[@lukeoluoch1617]

Great video! I always get so sad when a series I’m starting to love, like Ghostwriter Paradox, Candy Flurry, or Hard Boiled Cop and Dolphin get axed. It’s made it hard to commit to new series but I never want to give up trying new ones, like Kagura-Bachi, just in case they break through and get to tell a complete story

[@techh9171]

Im still so upset over phantom seer being axed it was a phenomenal battle shounen. Good art, Interesting characters and promising storyline.

[@CalmnessCaree33]

Omg same when it got axed. I was mad because I saw the potential it could have had, and the characters looked amazing ugh.

[@Zudovader]

After reading every series in the magazine for 4 years now, I think the table of contents is purely the editors make decisions. The artists that complain about the weekly schedule never last long. I think red hood was received well but the artist struggled, with very drastic fall in art and paneling quality after the first few chapters they had in the bag before serialization. I think they were not ready for the demand it takes to be in Jump. So there are lots of reasons the TOC are arranged how they are and why the last 3 series always get canceled within a few months.

[@aketsuuu]

A lot of Red Hood's issues stemmed from editor interference, as the editor of that series was also My Hero Academia's editor. He was notoriously bad for most of his input on series, and caused a lot of issues in the process. Red Hood started off well received but it took a shift to an arc that no one cared for, and it cost the series big time.

[@rauwro]

It’s so true that it doesn’t matter if you have a history in SJ. It’s true Boruto survived but Kishimoto’s Samurai 8 got cancelled quickly. If you aren’t making a hit , creating one of the big 3 isn’t even enough to keep you around. Granted, Samurai 8 wasn’t super great… 🥲 but all that to say SJ seems to go by the numbers alone. Not the name attached.

[@smittypwnz]

@@jaimeruiz7837Boruto initially was a weekly series in Weekly Shonen Jump before transferring to another magazine

[@patrickjohn9765]

@@smittypwnz yes it was at the time but the chapters came monthly

[@kaineshigaraki5253]

What? I loved Samurai 8! [>

[@irish-italianintrovert.8600]

I was so mad when they cancelled Hunters Guild: Red Hood. I felt like they really missed an opportunity to let a series expand.

[@Kaimax61]

You don't wait for "success" in SJ, you grab it by the neck.

[@G00333]

This is the first video of yours I’ve seen and it’s amazing, keep up the good work my guy

[@mugenbop]

Thanks, will do!

[@liamerasmus8592]

Out of the new series I really hope MamaYuyu sticks around. I definitely want the others to do well as well, but I'm specifically very drawn to MamaYuyu so far. It's character work, artwork and paneling, and story have already been so strong just 4 chapters in. I truly believe that it can be something real special if it gets the chance to thrive in the magazine.

[@ozzcoremidmx8287]

I am pretty sure the mangaka was inspired by Dragon Quest, the design in characters is very similar and the structure is fantastic, mamaYuyu looks tremendously promising

[@nickjaxon1317]

Geez😔😔

[@aquiman90]

The problem is that the magazine has been with many established series for quite some time, leaving little room for the new ones to free themselves from the bottom 3.

[@Kaimax61]

It's called competition. No one is forcing them to go into SJ, but the ambitious ones will TRY.

[@RJ-kg5fe]

I’m glad to hear Akane banshi is one of the top two popular weekly mangas. I just purchased the first volume and I love how the story is progressing.

[@angelor9211]

In Asano Inio's work called 'Downfall' it pretty much elaborates on a common problem within the manga industry, that a work gets dropped when its audience begins to settle I think the way its portrayed in the book is alot more of Asano venting at how it feels to work in the industry as both an artist and business man

[@patricija4179]

Ayashimon was so good. Like i don't get too hyped for almost any shonen manga but i really thought this would be a big manga

[@Maidral]

As much as week to week reading can be exciting I really love when series (usually indie series) are able to experiment with longer formats. I don't necessarily need to be grabbed in chapter 1 and understand the protagonist that quickly... I love when a series has the time to introduce their ideas over multiple chapters without the fear of cancelation each chapter. With Maidral I really want to experiment with the shonen format. To tell a story where the first volume has time to introduce a different mentality for a protagonist. The weekly format is great a lot of the time, but I'm always excited by series that take a different approach!

[@Cruxis_Angel]

This is one of the reasons why outside of one piece and MHA I can’t get into current shonen. Personally, I love a long running series that takes time to get good. 90’s and 2000’s were filled with them. Once the 2010’s hit long running shonen went extinct and if a series doesn’t pop immediately it gets canceled.

[@FramingTheNarrative]

Good stuff, definitely more informative than I expected. Another reason I would imagine chapter 1s do so well is you just get more content from them lol. Both in page number and the bredth of intellectual content that gets frontloaded when a premise is first being setup

[@KingKoohii]

Considering the data and requirements behind it all makes it even clearer how much of a literary beast One Piece is. Oda’s writing is so good it’s not even funny.

[@tjq15]

You should be careful about interpreting the first few “rankings” of a new manga. The Mangaka are usually 2-4 chapters ahead of the magazine since it takes time for the organizing and printing the magazine. So if the order of the magazine is decided like 2-3 weeks beforehand, then the 2nd and 3rd “ranking” can’t be indicative of a new series’ popularity. Plus, it takes time for reader surveys to be filled out and sent back to Jump so that’ll extend the number of chapters before you really get a few for it’s popularity. Finally, the Table of Contents isn’t strictly a popularity ranking. Obvious generalizations can be made if a series is constantly top 10 and bottom 5. But if you’re ranked 12, it’s not cuz your series was the 12th most popular whenever they got enough reader surveys back.

[@grimmarine6447]

thank god kagurabachi isnt getting cancelled

[@mugenbop]

its going strong :)

[@Geometrix445]

Kagurabachi is still my number one childhood hero

[@mugenbop]

He was there when I had no one, he was my super man.

[@Oscarrr347]

Loved Tenmaku Cinema! So sad it got axed. Crossing my fingers for MamaYuyu, Kagurabachi, and Martial Master Asumi; feel like all had amazing starts and interesting stories.

[@sumnwayls]

PRAY WITH ME TOO BROTHER WE NEED TO HOPE

[@webmelt]

Red Hood is the axed series that hurt me the most, Luckily thanks to the sheer popularity from the west, it did manage to get us physical volumes over here along with Ayashimon instead of being in digital jail, that's a win I guess. We Red Hood fans are eagerly awaiting the mangaka's next work, his art, paneling, and character designs are top-notch

[@suarez9108]

That manga was so fun dude. Interesting power system and fairy tale inspired.

[@rayray6547]

I loved that series, too. I was devastated when it got axed. The annoying thing is I'm pretty sure if that main character was a teenager (16, 17) like the usual Shonen nowadays, it probably would have survived.

[@Kaimax61]

@@suarez9108 What power system lmao? It doesn't have one at that point

[@Kaimax61]

no it would not, the Mc's age doesn't have anything to do with survival. Elusive Samurai MS is younger than the average and it's still going on@@rayray6547

[@aaronkelly8725]

At the very least this video made me happy to know akane banashi is doing well because ive loved it since day one and my greatest fear is the axe falling down on it

[@mugenbop]

Oda Mistake: One Piece fans I thought that was Oda, my bad never seen a photo and it was the first result. I will now consider reading One Piece as repayment

[@Linklex7]

No, biggie. It happens. Critical Drinker made the same mistake as well. Still an awesome video. I think he keeps his identity as secret. Even on the Netflix KZbin page where they had the live action actor playing Luffy interview Oda, Oda’s face was censored the whole time.

[@dishinthetruth8146]

@@Linklex7 there’s older pics of him but not recent I’m 99% sure

[@icy7857]

no considering you HAVE to read the greatest manga oat

[@WinspearUltima]

Hey dude sorry I sent that comment about that topic Shouldn’t have spoken out of my mouth with a eye roll emoji and that being my ego getting the best of me

[@Goshmybaby000]

13:15 And even then it's not always true either, Samurai 8 is a prime example of a manga created by a veteran in the field, author of one of the most successful and iconic manga ever made, and it still eventually got axed.

[@GuitarManFromJupiter]

ngl, I know its the way it is, but sometimes it just crushes me when good series get axed. Like when Tenmaku Cinema ended, even though it was only there for 20 chapters, i did feel sadness. I loved the artstyle, I loved the concept, the characters, the plot was going places imo, and I loved food wars and this was just movie making Food Wars without the fan service. And I will never forgive them for cancelling Red Hood, i know it could be construed as similar to the demon and yokai stuff, but it genuinely felt fresh with the portrayal of fairy tail characters and creatures we know of, not to mention the characters had such great designs, I am very biased, but for me, Debonair Diamond may have been the best character design made in shonen jump in the 2020s. The list can go on for series cancelled too soon obviously, but those two stuck out to me so much, it does still hurt to think about the potential of Red Hood

[@simjones206]

Thank you for this video! As someone who wants to publish a manga one day, having insight to stuff like this makes me mentally prepared for rejection and keeping on going

[@mugenbop]

Definitely would look into self publishing digitally or learn from Whyt Manga who runs his own English manga series that publish physical books :)

[@simjones206]

@@mugenbop definitely, I still wanna try with shonen jump or shin manga one day. Just gonna take some effort

[@JaydizzleNinja]

Bakuman is my favorite manga ever, and i really enjoyed the video with you talking this subject i really wish some of the manga that have gotten canceled had more time to marinate like candy flurry

[@HikerMike28]

Great video Mugen! Super interesting and very informative. Personally, I've been enjoying Kagurabachi and really hope it doesn't get cancelled 😩

[@mugenbop]

Hope so too :)

[@OasisTrain]

When kagura started fighting bachi then had to use “the kagura baching” I already knew this story would go beyond manga and story telling 🙏

[@santana8022]

Then buy the manga

[@HikerMike28]

@@santana8022 I use the Shonen Jump app. $2 a month to read manga 🤙

[@roam_y]

While I understand that people want series to have time to breath and establish themselves, I believe that the cutthroat nature of WSJ is what has cultivated the popular series around today. MHA and JJK are huge because of this system. The drive to find something to "replace" those series is also counterintuitive if you ask me, cause I don't think the editors at WSJ are as concerned about it as the fans are. I remember when Ruridragon first released, so many people were dismissive of it despite it blowing up in popularity almost immediately. This shows me that WSJ isn't looking for the next big battle manga, they are looking for the next big THING. ANYTHING that catches fire quickly enough and can sustain that fire as much as possible. This disconnect is what leads to people saying WSJ will "die" if they don't get their next big "hit". They already have hits, it just happened to be stuff you're not reading.

[@Kaimax61]

Nice to see someone that actually understands how WSJ works. Ruridragon sold +200k volumes, and that's the reason they haven't axed the series and rather wait for the author's health to be stable.

[@xianxiaemperor1438]

Thanks for this beautiful video :)))

[@mugenbop]

Anytime :)

[@xianxiaemperor1438]

@@mugenbop Have a great day/good night and have an excellent week :)

[@JPositiveTM]

Kagurabachi is going strong at this moment

[@mugenbop]

That’s great good to hear :)

[@Charlestouchdown]

One of the better videos I've seen covering this. I'll give you the confidence boost bro.

[@magnusmanga22]

I think they do also keep sales of volumes in mind as well since that also is important to showing a series' popularity

[@lawrencetyrpa]

Loved it! Thank you so much for all your work. Also, it's truly inspiring for me as an animator with a desire to tell my own story.

[@Kass_me]

What I learned is to not get attached to new series. I need to know that it won´t end as soon as I catch up so I always read ones that have already ended or have a substantial amount of chapters.

[@kumatized]

It always saddens me that Ayashimon was cancelled, it was such a cool reading

[@YamaMaharaja]

Honestly, if SJ doesn't already do it, i would like the original mangaka to get the rights back to their works back (the ones that got cancelled or rejected) so they can make their own Indie Manga Magazines. Not only will it give them their second wind, with fan support and sponsorships, it may give them motivation to get better, and hell, who knows... maybe one day they might become a force that can rival SJ and others . Just my thoughts

[@mugenbop]

I think getting the IP back is a fair deal, but with the alleged salary of mangaka especially new ones, the funding it would take to make a manga magazine would be quite an undertaking. But with fan support like you said they may have a future with posting their work to online sites like ONE (One Punch Man) does and getting some Patreon or platform deals or just eyes on their work.

[@dark_nightwing_xl2797]

Mangapluscreators exists

[@WholeWheat_J]

Not sure if you look back on old videos but I’m happy to let you know Kagurabachi has been doing super good recently! It’s been marketed as one of the front runners of shonen jump and has received really good recommendations even from horikoshi and kishimoto! Of course the story needs to keep up its current quality but I’m excited for how it will play out!

[@mugenbop]

I do and I am very glad that this is the case, congrats to the mangaka :)

[@carrgamer4981]

the image you showed of Oda isn't him. That is the zelda producer, Eiji Aounuma

[@tynanchapatte8840]

Incredible as always man, Keep going!

[@RobinSkye96]

Would love it if one day Jump acknowledges its overseas fan base and decides to start a western jump. A magazine filled with English manga series, done in a similar way to how their digital Jump+ is. New creators submit their works to editorial staff and we get some new works from our perspective.

[@honeybutter8257]

Webtoon already domonating the western market, and without harsh contracts, so they will have no chance.

[@rubyy.7374]

@@honeybutter8257 Instead of being a slave to editors/contracts, you’re a slave to a cold, unfeeling algorithm instead! So much better.

[@honeybutter8257]

@@rubyy.7374 you still have to admit that one is better than the other, especially because only like 1% of all the artist will make it into a proper serialization. Meanwhile Webtoons can still harness popularity and readers over time. Shonen Jump System is too restrictive and exploitative.

[@TheHorrorend]

I'm here just to say that the start of the video is brilliant. As a Bakuman first minute fan, i was blown away by using Detective TRAP as the metaphor (inside the metaphor, aka the manga). Bravo!

[@Luna-cs2tq]

Do Retry was a boxing series that got canceled or it was quite a good read but it got really rushed and the punchline and the lesson that the writer tried to convey just couldn't hit as hard as it could and the writer also did a manga a while back which also got axed. this issue is really common with shonen jump giving more opportunities to stereotypical action mangas like naruto and dragon ball and the more unique ones get axed never to be brought to their full potential, as i said with the manga Do Retry its characters got really one dimensional and the main character just didn't lose and it felt like there were no stakes. I hope this issue gets resolved asap and mangas should be given much more time to really flesh out their characters.

[@damiantrigo3205]

New manga are usually given a trial period of 2 volumes, about 12-15 chapters. Sometimes a manga might be popular but not the favourite in the ranking, that's why the editorials wait for the release of the first volume. Even if the rankings are low, if it's selling enough volumes in the week it comes out, there's a chance that the manga may continue. Mangaka work about 3 chapters ahead of publication in a weekly magazine so by the time enough chapters for 1 volume are out they know if they should get ready to wrap up the story. Then that volume comes out just in time for them to draw the final chapter if they need to. If the sales were alright, then they can introduce a new arc instead of wrapping up the story. But it doesn't end there, because the threat of a cancellation still looms over every manga if their ranking drops, unless they are pulling one piece or jujutsu kaisen numbers, no matter how long they have been in the magazine.

[@MillyManga]

Putting Kagura in the thumbnail is kinda bold lol

[@chrizzyrobin9226]

singlehandedly made me click on the video

[@BetaHoax]

You baited me so hard at the beginning. You are amazing with that storytelling.

[@KaoticReach1999]

'JUMP does NOT care' The fact Kubo, the creator of Bleach that was apart of the legendary Big 3 had to rush his ending... thats an understatement Luckily with the anime continuing and from all accounts will add in everything Kubo didn't get to flesh out (its been doing it already) Just imagine, if a Mangaka of one of the Top 3 series that stood next to One Piece and Naruto..imagine how much pressure new creators are devoured by the "standard" for decades...

[@AfricaIsNextPodcast]

I love your intro. I knew exactly what you were talking about immediately when you mentioned Detective Trap. Love it.

[@adam.e2154]

13:23 Funnily enough, there was another series that was going to be one of the big three at the time, making it one of the big 4: World Trigger. It had the same treatment as Boruto and moved to monthly releases because people in Japan really loved the series and the authors health, Ashihara Daisuke, wasn't to well. Moved to Jump Square and is still there today with 200+ chapters. Just thought it fun to mention because people often forget about World Trigger and how it is still going, even after the author took a 2 - 4 year break because of his health.

[@m.g.5073]

yeah, I feel like World Trigger is such a sleeper hit outside of Japan, considering the amount of merchandise, stageplays, and fan content it gets.

[@Kaimax61]

The E-sports manga, World Trigger. XD It's been a long time since they fought aliens again.

[@Jac0ber]

What a great video! Absolutely love it!!

[@SerifSansSerif]

About 15 min in but also helps to bear in mind that this is also how when you have a bunch of awesome stories, it can suppress other stories that might be popular at another time . There's pluses and minuses. Really there just needs some more "flab" to the system. It's too lean and cutthroat. Of course this can be said of just about all industries these days...

[@theoriganalxldub]

I instantly knew this was from Bakuman and I haven't read it since it was week to week lol. I still think of some of the story concepts from that series. The no dialogue chapter in the in-universe manga "Crow" would slap so hard irl

[@sirapple589]

The second last chapter of the series Slam Dunk has no dialogue. It’s incredible.

[@falcconn]

this is like the 5th video i have seen that gets me really interested in the premise of a manga and then whoops turns out its bakuman

[@egusisoup1826]

Lol

[@WillOfDavy]

Bakuman carried my school years so this intro is already so nostalgic for me

[@y4nush259]

Jump TOC actually lags behind 8 weeks to the reader polls and if a series gets front cover or color pages it doesn't reflect its rank since those spots are fixed in the magazine, however consecutive color pages/front covers usually mean the series did well. TOC is also not entirely reliable, because the magazine editor can influence the series' placement if they want to promote it for some reason (anime/event coming out). We won't know Kagurabachi's true ranking for few weeks.

[@FiveV]

Thanks for the mention, very few do it... excellent video, I subscribe

[@tgl2343]

For readers, the magazine might be a source of entertainment and a means of temporary escape from their stressful lives, but for the mangaka, its a merciless battlefield. One wrong move and your means of earning a living which you invested so much time on, is gone in an instant. Just like that.

[@phantomic109]

Nice video! For me my favourite axed manga, although not a popular pick, was Doron Dororon. The artstyle really vibed with me, and the character writing does not get the credit it deserves. Honestly even with it being axed I still consider it to be a very good manga.

[@mugenbop]

Fair enough I respect

[@robertbell307]

Sometimes it's not the Mangaka fault that the series can't find an audience in the magazine. There have been plenty of great series that started in Weekly Shonen Jump that came and went. Tenmaku Cinema should have been a hit, but it wasn't and that's a shame.

[@mugenbop]

This is true

[@Kaimax61]

Funnily enough, people outside japan doesn't understand how Elusive Samurai is popular in japan. but it keeps on surviving in the magazine.

[@MrYeast2505]

Great video man but the photo used for Oda at 13:58 is of Eiji Aonuma, the director of the Legend of Zelda franchise. Idk why but when you google Oda it comes up with some pictures of Aonuma

[@balkan.improvement1696]

FUN FACT: Eichiro Oda's One piece, got rejected officially 3 times by shone jump , before finally being accepted

[@jacki8106]

Algorithm brought me here. The “saur” kept me watching. Insights and passion made me a subscriber 🎉

[@fann458]

I'm not a Shounen Jump kinda of girl, I'm a shoujo garlie. However like everyone I do enjoy some series on the magazine despide liking other shounen mags better. However this very problem is happening to Webcomics... All the same problems authors and illustrators have on Jump they're having on online plataforms. Instead of moving to a more comfortable and healthy style of publication... we are actually moving to a format even more agressive than jump. Edit: The problem with Webcomics in general is: they pump so much work is so little time to see what sticks.... Most things have no quality on the long run.

[@Hana_ly]

man u made me paranode at the start of the video talking about the manga in the manga ... I thought I was remembering wrong....

[@LJkiller]

Man, it must feel so suffocating when trying to break into the manga world with your own story. I mean, I get it, they thoroughly enjoy and love making their manga and to actually tell their story. But having to think about other's perception towards your work must be stress inducing. I wish any mangaka to take care of themselves, especially Oda-sensei Good video again 👍, I really like the editing style in addition to the easy-following content

[@Kaimax61]

Here's the deal, they are always free to go indie, no one is stopping them, but publishing your work into Shonen Jump and other magazines has the most eyes looking at it.

[@covereddonuts1279]

@@Kaimax61 tbh I would probably go with another magazine and start there then start publishing to jump. I would hope the other magazines would have more leeway since they aren't as popular but can get your series out there. But idk i could be wrong

[@ToonGodTV]

3:13 random but the music in the background sounds like time station from ape escape

[@mugenbop]

It is :)

[@sirrencia]

As a guy who watched Ayashimon roll downhill, I will never forget reading comments under recent chapter releases, where half the class was calling a decisively middling chapter peak fiction, and the other half was betting on how many chapters till its cancellation. Honestly thought it would be cancelled, but seeing it through was fun.

[@blueeyesafk]

bakuman is actually my first manga in my collection, it gave me the perspective and passion i needed to actually get into manga

[@jamesswearengin5182]

Ayashimon a manga that felt just different. I keep seeing in comments people saying hoping it comes back, but what does that mean. Like do manga creators still own their work or do they need to go through some process to get their work. Is there any examples of mangas getting cancelled and coming back? Big or small the manga doesn't matter

[@mugenbop]

Rarely if never it happens, unless you go somewhere else and make a copyright free version of the og haha

[@MerryMelodyCH]

funny enough, Saint Seiya got canceled before it's final saga and now lives on at another publisher!

[@curtisjones9372]

Very insightful and passionate, have a subscribe mate.

[@crystalpeaches7825]

i read ayashimon and doron dororon ever since the first chapter dropped i was so sad they got cancelled :((

[@Rynoverse]

While watching this video I started randomly thinking about the video game industry and the manga industry, so I searched it up and you happened to have a video talking about that lol

[@kinggaming7261]

That low key made me inspired 🤣to make the best of the best and I know it would be hard

[@whispertangle4136]

Found a really cool series with shonen jump called dear anenome, i absolutely loved it, it had mystery, action, cool characters, a fresh concept and the art was gorgeous. And as soon as things were getting good shonen jump just had to axe it, i’ve never really been so annoyed over a cancellation really

[@terrencekent2108]

I really hope Kagurabachi and MamaYuyu will be longer-lasting mangas.

[@panpan1287]

I think Kagurabachi has a good shot based on how much it's blown up in the west. And Mamayuyu has some amazing art, and a pretty good concept, it's got a shot.

[@Jordie_42]

@@panpan1287 Yeah but it's blown up due to it being a meme.

[@junyaiwase]

@@Jordie_42 all publicity is good publicity ehh?

[@chockchack5431]

What do you think now? Mamayuyu is out

[@aimman12319]

man NERU, Ayashimon, Fabricant 100, Ginka & Gluna (this one hurts the most), and many more great manga gets axed despite the mangaka's efforts. It's a cruel and vicious system but without it we might miss out on Chainsaw Man, Sakamoto, Dandadan, etc. Let's just wish and look forward to our favorite manga's mangaka's future works.

[@Kaimax61]

Dandaadan isn't in shonen jump. it's in jump+, so you're getting dandaadan anyways lmao. People keep mistaking stuff that comes out in jump+ with shonen jump, because of the shonen jump app lol

[@JedHazel]

The real question is why doesnt Sakamoto Days not have an anime yet if its success is still good

[@OasisTrain]

Ya where’s my sakamoto days anime 😭

[@christianroot6287]

animes take time

[@Kaimax61]

There's probably some bidding wars happening in the backrooms.

[@profatgamer]

It does suck when a new manga you like gets axed but I do appreciate the competition that shonen breeds in its cut throat method. It helps keep them from stagnating.