"Mughals are being used as proximate for Muslims " I Manu Pillai I Barkha Dutt I History Text Books

[@tuhinbhattacharjee3334]

What a great interview! As Manu says, It's extremely important to understand the political underpinnings, motivations, and exigencies of these emperors. Not because it justifies cruelty (of course it doesn't, and it's sad that I have to even clarify that) but because it gives us a deeper, richer understanding of history, which is always so much more nuanced and complex than the knee-jerk, anachronistic, and outright communal propaganda that circulates through Whatsapp and has now sneaked its way even to NCERT textbooks!

[@nandinichanda3599]

Everyone is so emotional about “rationalisation” of history and not bothering how disastrously mathematics syllabus is being reduced.

[@jim409]

What the hell does it mean they're going to remove Darwin? What are they going to teach ? About Brahma creatiing evolution ? 😅

[@ravisreerama6308]

No Abraham

[@babahanuman83]

Small minds don't understand that Darwinism has good arguments on its side even if Brahma is also true.

[@Raju-gi3gr]

Shia and Sunni kings both believed in destroying polytheists (Hindus) as it goes against their belief. But Manu says "Shia and Sunni kingdoms hated each other. So, we can't say that they both hated Hindus". What sort of a logic is it??🙄😵‍💫

[@myasinxx43]

Shia where political ideology who believed only offspring from particular blood line could be ruler, they became sect with passing time. There are extreme in both sides who curse each other and also people who came out political ideology and become famous scholars.

[@Bronsonnarrator]

He has the habit of satisfying muslims with these forced narrative.

[@kirtykochar9670]

Very rational and factual assessment,must say you bring out the best from each guest ,thanks Barkha

[@libshastra]

NCERT did Mughal history a favour by trimming it down in our textbooks. NCERT could have spoken more about jizya, forced conversions, temple demolitions, how the Mughal were more Timurid than Indian etc. but instead they choose to trim Mughal history. This entire textbook 'controversy' especially surrounding Maulana Azad is going down Gandhi's favourite hymn "Abide with me" route. Nobody heard about, except Lutyens Delhi, nobody cared about it except Lutyens Delhi.

[@praveenupadhyay4053]

Wonderful Manu. The way you put the things with facts and examples it was amazing.

[@sagpid]

Here are some facts for you. You can get this information if you use chatGPT. Now let me know who should be in our text books. The people who built these Universities, who currently don't get a mention in the text books or the ones who destroyed the Universities, who are all over our history books. University Time of Operation Destroyed by Year of Destruction Takshashila 7th century BCE - 5th CE Huns 5th CE Nalanda 5th - 12th century CE Bakhtiyar Khilji 1193 CE Vikramashila 8th - 12th century CE Muslim invaders 12th CE Valabhi University 6th - 12th century CE Mughals or Muslim invaders Uncertain Somapura Mahavihara 8th - 12th century CE Muslim invaders or earthquakes 12th CE Odantapuri University 7th - 12th century CE Muslim invaders or natural disasters 12th CE Nagajuna University 3rd - 4th century CE Gupta Empire or natural disasters Unknown Jagaddala University 8th - 12th century CE Muslim invaders or natural disasters 12th CE Sharada Peeth 8th - 12th century CE Muslim invaders or natural disasters 12th CE Pushpagiri University 3rd - 10th century CE Muslim invaders 13th CE Bikrampur University 9th - 13th century CE Muslim invaders or natural disasters 13th CE Nalanda of Bengal 11th - 12th century CE Muslim invaders or natural disasters 13th CE

[@sagpid]

Here are some more facts for you about India which you do not want to talk about. Yes, Huan Tsang, also known as Xuanzang, was a Chinese Buddhist monk who traveled to India in the 7th century and spent several years there. He documented his travels in a book called "Records of the Western World" or "Great Tang Records on the Western Regions." In his writings, Huan Tsang did report about hospitals in India. He mentioned that there were hospitals in various parts of the country, particularly in major cities like Pataliputra (modern-day Patna), Varanasi, and Taxila. These hospitals were primarily run by Buddhist monks and nuns, and they provided free medical care to all, regardless of their social status or religion. According to Huan Tsang, the hospitals in India had separate wards for different types of illnesses and injuries, and the patients were treated with various herbal remedies and other medical treatments. He also noted that the hospitals had dedicated staff who looked after the patients and provided them with food and other necessities. Overall, Huan Tsang's accounts provide valuable insights into the state of healthcare in ancient India and the role played by Buddhist institutions in providing medical care to the public.

[@sagpid]

Can you or this Historian Manu name a few Hospitals and Universities constructed by the invaders from 1000 CE to the arrival of the British ?

[@BlueEdgeTechno]

Listening to him is such a beauty.

[@AshokGupta-oq6hs]

Madam&Sir,the basic historical fact is that starting 712 AD the basic objective of muslim invaders was to destroy hindu religion and convert hindus to the arab religion. This objective is enshrined in one of the holy books of arab religion as gazwa e hind. Rest is historical politics for reasons unknown to common sense. Prof Truschke is a good example.

[@suhasverekar7130]

Barkha will write history. Terrorist have very poor head master as father. So innocent they were. Auragjeb was Wali and never ended three brother life, did not throw sister and showed cut head to his jailed father. Let us have dabate.

[@nitishsaxena1372]

History is never about right or wrong, it's about whether it happened or not. It doesn't matter of you admire or despise Aurangzeb, what matters is he existed but the students are no more gonna learn a large part of our recent history.

[@patmclaughlin107]

Nobody sensible will ask the current Muslims of India to own up the oppression and atrocities committed by the Mughals. At the same time, the ask for today’s Muslims is not to associate themselves with and take pride in foreign invaders like Mughals.

[@ravisreerama6308]

Exactly

[@myasinxx43]

Muslim pride themselves on belief on Monotheism and not on rulers. Arabs did spice trade before the Mughal invasion and people embraced the religion during this period. Arabs too faced defeat (Abbasid caliph) from Mongol tribes and same tribe embraced islam at later stage and known to the world as Mughals.

[@digitunni7391]

The History most of us were taught (Romilla Thapar / Irfan Habib) was Islamic conquerors of India. A Hindu party liked BJP gained from Hidden History like Marathas were the biggest empire before British invasion. Moghuls had been defeated long back

[@namansrivastav2008]

After watching Syed Muzammil Shah from Pakistan I find this man a diluted version of him. Very Knowledgable and rational. Looking forward to see more thought provoking work from him

[@vivekyadav1]

Why would you watch someone from across the border in the first place ? Putting in some content related to India and earning from it has become Pakistan's employment scheme for its unemployed, and people like you are the reason they earn.

[@namansrivastav2008]

@@vivekyadav1 I know but not everyone is like that. I follow very few people who are rational , logical and don't have biases there. They also consume a lot of Indian content. I don't see any issue here.

[@vivekyadav1]

@@namansrivastav2008 this is not a tit for tat, that if they watch, you should also watch.

[@namansrivastav2008]

@@vivekyadav1 Quality content has no barriers. Every second product you use is made in China and do you bar your ears when you hear Atif Aslam songs??? Talk sense please

[@babahanuman83]

​Listen to all sides is insurance against brainwashed fanaticism, my dear

[@winbrijesh]

If we can’t change the past, why reservations.

[@nowwhat6716]

It's just sad that rational people are seldom listened to. But people who railed up people are listen to become people don't have to think much.

[@nirmalakrishna8046]

With so much information available on our tips ! Textbook r just guide lines which can be supplemented!

[@adharshmanikoth3381]

So what Manu s pillai is saying Mughal colonization is their political motive we can't blame them for that, so I say we have our political motive we will annhilate anyone who opposes us

[@VinodSharma-xn8rc]

"Be extremely hard against kafirs but extremely kind among ourselves." All relationships in the world can break down, father can turn against son, brother against brother, mother can shun her child but the relationship of a Muslim with a Muslim can never be severed - Maulana Azad मौलाना इंडिया का पहला एजुकेशन मिनिस्टर था , इसके किया हुआ कारनामा आज रिजल्ट दे रहा है

[@Abbyramrosy]

In these days of hollow education being imparted for employment, what NCERT tells students to read for passing an exam would remain as a skeleton in their closet. Smart children of the day will grow out of timid and conservative conversation government of the day would wish them to imbibe into their life. Neither the history of India or the world can be masked to a growing generation, if one wish to create men and women of character, value and stature.

[@PARTHASARATHISAMANTARAY]

I am odisha. Puri temple remained closed for 132 years ( attacks, cow behading inside main gruha, sparying cow blood on devatas, burnign idols,,,,,) and it opened 1 year after death of Arungajeeb. when indian muslims and sickulars fight for injustices and destructions ( including temples) of mughals, they answeable for mughal's actions.

[@nowwhat6716]

Edit it so people can understand what are U talking about.

[@dev7155g]

@@aashayj in Qutab minar complex there is ruined temples but NCERT never taught about this but glorify as a Islamic architecture, why?

[@stallionspirit555]

@@aashayj are u stoneheaded...the point here is...there were cruel hindu and muslim kings...so in history textbooks u shud have heroes who can inspire u....therefore hindus never clamour in support in the streets for merciless/cruel hindus to be taught in our books..the way muslims clamour for vile barbaric mughals...that is the simple point... of giving mughals the limited space they deserve...800years out of probably 50,000+years of indian history...

[@telugupadyalu...6927]

Violence of hindus vs Violence of Muslims...the way manu tones down that both are same is very illogical in many ways ..all muslims one or other way want to erase polyestism in one way or other 😊

[@tellme8140]

If Mughals were indians then why Chatrapathi Shivaji Maharaj had to bring idea of Hindavi Swarajya (self rule of Hindus) Why Peshwa Bajirao said we must throw these mlecchas out of country Standing tall, poised and confident before Shahu Maharaj and his court, the young new Peshwa Bajirao is said to have thundered, “Let us transcend the barren Deccan and conquer central India. The Mughals have become weak, insolent, womanizers and opium-addicts. The accumulated wealth of centuries in the vaults of the north, can be ours. It is time to drive from the holy land of Bharatvarsha the outcastes and the barbarians. Let us throw them back over the Himalayas, back to where they came from. The saffron flag must fly from the Krishna to the Indus. Hindustan is ours”.

[@tellme8140]

@@aashayj me myself is OBC and discriminated on basis of caste..... actually it is answer to people who love Mughals....

[@winbrijesh]

Same guys say everything was fine before 2014. All violence started after that 😂

[@CRuS4D3R88]

We dare manu pillai to Quote from asmaani kitab to justify violence against h1nduz life he quoted from arthshastra. This anti Hindu bias will polarise Hindus more.😂 Can we a Sikh gurudwara, church on top of another temple like we see in Kashi temple under a mosque. It Is the Indian M0ozL1Im themselves who associate themselves with Mughal aurangzeb when they r protected the mosque built on Kashi vishwanath temple

[@FirstLast-fj1yp]

as long as khangress was teaching mulla history, barkha didn't have a problem. now bjp is teaching hindu history, barkha has a problem.

[@manishshah5370]

Never heard such one sided conversation. Switched off witihin 10 -12 minutes. The knowledgeable people from the other side of the divide like Vikram Sampath, Sanjeev Sanyal, Bharadwaj etc will never be called. One example how biased this interview is: no mention of the killings of the Chitpavan brahamins in 1948 in history books. Thankfully there are people still alive whose family were victims

[@babahanuman83]

One should listen to all sides without prejudices. Your guys have lot of space in the internet. To be brainwashed doesn't mean to be clean, my sister or brother.

[@rajendrakumarduggar1835]

Very biased narrative. Mughal atrocities were on the decapitation of the populace like Nadir Shah, Taimur, or the Moplah massacre, not just the brutality perpetrated on a political rival. I'm not a historian, but I'm sure a historian will provide several examples.

[@ravikumarkb8103]

Nee textbooks will be available from 2024 onwards then only we will have clear picture let us wait

[@shridharaithal1433]

What is reasonable or sensible history depends upon whose reason or sense it is. If a 360 degree view of past is to be taken then it can not be absolute but has to evolve with new tools of analysis. More over ignoring the equivalence of IslAm with sheer violence against all against those who are non believers and trying to equate with wars during hindu kings is absurd!

[@swarnim-raj]

Why don't you also interview J Sai Deepak for the right-side view?

[@shreeforyou16]

Whats wrong in it..to study n celebrate Hindu Warriors n Heros..

[@somnathbandoghati3689]

History is not a discipline to celebrate something. It is supposedly objective and a fact-backed study of past.

[@shreeforyou16]

@@somnathbandoghati3689 then last 70years why we glorifying Mughals

[@dev7155g]

@@somnathbandoghati3689 In Qutab minar complex there is ruined temples but NCERT never taught about this but glorify as a Islamic architecture, Why?

[@somnathbandoghati3689]

@@dev7155g That we can debate about. We can ask for dispassionate study of our past. But the objective should not be to formulate counter-history. A researcher might work on writing counter-history. As many are claiming to do in contemporary time. But NCRT should provoke the students to learn history for history's sake, not out of any ideological impulse.

[@somnathbandoghati3689]

@@shreeforyou16 This tendency exists through out the world. The syllabus makers want to subtly instill a sense of glory about their past in young minds. I am not a history student. But I think the glorification of Mughals has more than one reason. It partly lies in the fact that our post-independent historians were mostly experts in that era. It was intellectually challenging to study fact-backed study of pre-islamic history because of non-availablity of study materials. Another reason might lie in post-colonialosm. The post-colonial impulse was to prove the Britishers as the enemy of the nation who looted India. The easiest way was to glorify the pre-British kings who were by default Mughals. These are my thoughts. I might be wrong.

[@rajendrakumarduggar1835]

Violence inflicted upon entire populations due to their religious beliefs, as demonstrated by historical figures like Taimur, Tipu Sultan, Aurangzeb, and even Akbar, is a topic often addressed by armchair scholars in one-on-one interviews with compliant hosts in a very condescending manner. These scholars speak as if they possess a secular perspective, while insinuating that those discussing history have little understanding of it. Unlike science, where grasp of fundamentals is necessary for comprehension, history is straightforward. One forms opinions based on learned facts. Instances such as rebels being torn apart by elephants do not encompass the type of violence typically discussed. These scholars tend to harangue, especially when faced with accommodating interviewers, implying th 6:34 at others lack the depth to engage with historical discourse.

[@ravisreerama6308]

Yes Mughal history need to be limited to 2 pages and give space to other dynasties that were ignored. The cruelty toward Sambhaji and Sikh gurus should be included.

[@krishanrathi9119]

Its a myth that Mughals came in india to spread Islam, Babar lost his kingdom in samarkand and he was looking for an alternative.

[@rajalakshmivinod6798]

Would you ever interview Mr Vikram Sampath

[@shyamdurge]

Why voice is not clear? Please improve on that.

[@raven-dl3xo]

The Mughal rulers were Turanis and most of their top officials were Iranis - all foreigners. There were also some Afghans and Rajputs also, among ruling officials Otherwise, vast majority of Muslims (90% converted Pasmanda) had no power at all - just like 99.9% of Hindus. Don't understand why pakistanis and indian muslims get all upset when Mughals are discussed.

[@deepakseth6256]

No ruler was ever a saint By and large the Mughal period was a period of peace and prosperity

[@patmclaughlin107]

Peace for who? There was no peace for the native Hindus and Sikhs who resisted the foreign Turkic rule. They were murdered, looted, raped, and their temples were destroyed. What peace are you referring to?

[@rj9075]

@@aashayj True dropping or reducing contents on Mughals won't help rather we should include maximum about these invaders, their barbarities and the reasons for our defeats so that we don't repeat the same in future like they do with Hitler in Germany.

[@PartiallyAnonymous456]

Based and redpilled

[@winbrijesh]

He talks about both sides but not a single argument favouring Hindus.

[@saurabhrauniyar5590]

manu is facetious in his argument. having some useful coward hindu kings to do their bidding don't tell us that muslim king treated them as equals. We all know that foreign conquistador were able to come to india cause India kings were fighting each other.

[@aninaalexander7814]

Great discussion

[@ananth224]

Hey barkha!! Why don't you invite j sai deepak, to know the "other side",he is a bestselling author.or maybe you don't won't to move out of your cozy eco chamber 😂

[@Ravanandashaheadan]

He is not a historian just a aggressive lawyer

[@winbrijesh]

After doing whataboutery for 5 mins, he says let’s not do whataboutery.

[@whatsuptrends2936]

Handle your audio guys ❤❤😮

[@pk9392]

Another important point is that the content in the history textbooks of 90's , 2000' s and 2010' s is not the same. The pro mughal chapters were more in 80' s and 90's. The people who read those books have been fed with more pro mughal stuff than 2010s readers. So Manu conveniently is talking about 2010's/ 2020's books but not about 90' s/ 80' s. Most people who are vocal about it, are the one's who read 80's & 90's books and talking about it. People like Manu talk about books from 2010's /2020's, which have lesser pro mughal content.

[@megda1000]

A maulana our first education minister shameful.....what was his education qualification

[@mazumdar2379]

Babur came or he was called by Rana sangha to finish the Lodis! Then sangha showed no gratefulness, so babur met him in the panipat battle, defeated him & established mughal dynasty. So...?!

[@manusebastian1339]

good discussion

[@rajashreevanur1858]

Bharkha 👏👏

[@desigulal]

We are not interested in learning about uzbek lineage or history. We feel its a waste of our energy. We would like to analyze and understand hindu history.

[@swetasonti]

Wonderful.we should look at history in sobriety. But why this plea was not made when history was made one sided by the leftist historians ? Why this hue and cry is there only now ? There lies the rub. Again observe the way he turns the issue of Aurangazeb's repression of Hindus and Muslims into a king to king fight where the Rajputs have fought for Aurangazeb!

[@jaspreetmodi]

useless interview..Inke dimaag me details bhari hoi hay and dont get or address the core points of other side, go on their own tangent. As i expected, this proved just another stupid interview trying to muddy the waters by going into details from everywhere. They never talk about the core impressions left over a child studying history till 10th and then conversions and then what if there was no resistence. In my opinion the current govt is bang on and won the topic debate.

[@muhammadaquil2256]

Upright historian !

[@Thakur_S_]

Barkha Dutt for those who don’t know her past was pro terrorist kassab who attacked and killed several. She has always acted and spoken against Hindus and is like a pak/Islamic agent. Look up her thoughts on KZbin.

[@winbrijesh]

Public decides whose arguments are better. Not historians.

[@winbrijesh]

I think this guy is sitting in an Idea showroom. They didn’t allow him to sit on it.

[@Dividerinchief]

Why do we need to learn about these Landiyas..

[@Dividerinchief]

@@aashayj before partition we never got along even after 100 years we will never unite.. btw they won't extend the same courtesy if they are in majority..

[@loveearthly]

20:08 Any author of merit would edit his/her past authorship if it had factual mistakes or inferences. It is frozen only after his/her death.

[@winbrijesh]

History is always a tool for politics. No other utility 🎉

[@winbrijesh]

So basically Muslims were nice rulers but Hindus were equally gory. There monkey balancing starts 😂

[@gobhatia123]

omg. i am so offended by this outright lying by this man. The sikhs were political rivals of mughals?? wow. The gurus were not going around trying to be kings. Guru Teg Bahadur was beheaded in Chandni Chowk by Aurangzeb because he stood up against the forcible conversions of Kashmiri pandits. shame on both Barkha and this man. Guru Teg Bahadur was preceded and followed by Gurus who gave their lives against oppression perpetrated by Mughals on non muslims in India.

[@jts1234]

haha,,,,horrrr like brakha haramdi will tell us now

[@winbrijesh]

Why is he sitting on the floor😂 can’t sit in newly bought sofa 😂

[@ribbeldhason4337]

Hope Bjp spokes person p.kd nambiar watching😂😂

[@debashishdas2068]

Lol! I was also thinking the same 😅

[@VinodSharma-xn8rc]

मौलाना इंडिया का पहला एजुकेशन मिनिस्टर था , इसके किया हुआ कारनामा आज रिजल्ट दे रहा है

[@winbrijesh]

He wants us to stick to bad history textbooks

[@winbrijesh]

He is sad that Jagannath was not destroyed 😂

[@winbrijesh]

Haha. He gave this interview yesterday. May not agree with everything he said today 😂

[@king20854]

Great decision by govt