Multi-Room DVR Gateway Access Now on Zapperbox

[@AntennaMan]

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[@timmoss6372]

Can you still use it without the t v guide

[@AntennaMan]

@timmoss6372 Yes. In fact, you still get a 24 hour channel guide without the subscription

[@matthewjbauer1990]

@@timmoss6372 Yes, you get the 24 hour rolling guide. However, per their FAQs page, without a subscription, you're limited to watching and recording the same show at the same time (The Zapperbox M2 is a single tuner so not a problem, only an issue on the M1 which is a dual tuner). Also, their FAQs page says without a subscription, you cannot share your recordings to networked devices. If all you want to do is watch ATSC 3.0, there are cheaper devices for this that @AntennaMan Tyler can recommend.

[@LonSeidman]

I heard that their multiroom requires a device-to-device Wi-Fi connection vs. having it be accessible through the regular home network - is that the case?

[@AntennaMan]

I'm pretty sure they connect to the home network as Zapperbox instructs that they need to be on the same network. That's exactly what I did when I set the two up - I connected both to my home network.

[@zapperbox]

Hi Lon. It works over the regular home LAN.

[@RomvnlyPlays]

Well well well, look who it is. I’m subscribed to you.

[@LonSeidman]

@ Will that be the same process for live television ?

[@zapperbox]

@@LonSeidman Yes.

[@FrankAllotta]

I bought one of these as backup in case my TV provider decides to drop a local channel. So I probably won't use it too much other than to play around at the moment. I also bought a ClearStream 2V. I can pull in 85 local channels and surprisingly all the ATSC 3.0 channels that are available. What I'm really waiting for is the streaming apps for smart TV's. It could be a while, but it's going to be amazing when it is a true gateway device. :)

[@AntennaMan]

Compare the picture quality you get from your TV provider with the Zapperbox sometime. You'll probably see an improvement.

[@FrankAllotta]

@ Honestly it’s hard to tell the difference. I have 2 4K LG OLED TV’s. One has a Firestick running the DirecTV Stream app. If I look at the info on the TV to see the resolution being pushed through it is 2160p. I doubt that is true resolution since I’m not watching a 4k channel. The other TV has the Zapperbox. If I tune to the same channel I can see it is 1080p direct from the broadcast. If I look at both of these side by side, you can’t really tell. It’s definitely not drastic. I might have to try again when a football game is on. 😆

[@onehitsword6800]

Glad to see antenna DVR are getting better. But still can't wait for one that can record 6 shows at one time

[@AntennaMan]

You can technically do this with three separate Zapperbox M2 units but I understand what you're saying, it's better to wait for a four-tuner model to be released.

[@c2jones]

I'd settle for a straight up 3.0 tuner with a streamer. No DVR necessary. You want to record 6 programs at a time.

[@CJendaOfficial.]

Thanks Tyler! 😃

[@wesmckean1443]

I hope Zapperbox continues to lead the charge on whole home gateway innovation. I'm not sure that I want to buy a device for every TV, so I will be looking for a gateway and Roku/Google TV apps.

[@trevorbartram5473]

Subscription, yuck! I'm unsure what Zapperbox recommends but be careful about SD card selection. Sandisk has high initial write speed but slows down as the card heats up leading to write errors (unless buffered). Samsung have lower initial write speeds but has a write wear out mechanism that kicks in after approx 200 hours of MPEG recording. The Samsungs have a five year waranty, so I return them for replacement. The larger Samsungs generally have higher write speed than the smaller ones. The read speed on all these cards is adequate. Cheers!

[@AntennaMan]

I understand your disgust for a subscription, but the reality is that Zapperbox has to pay a guide data provider for the 14 day channel guide which is simply passed onto the consumer. Besides Tablo (which makes money selling your data) nearly every other DVR charges a very small fee for a two week channel guide.

[@barrya5191]

In ATSC 1.0 at least, the stations transmit the guide for free. It's a short guide but adequate. Don't know about Nextgen stations.

[@stevez340]

@@AntennaMan What the heck happened to free OTA TV😩

[@barrya5191]

@stevez340 Well, he's providing info about a device that supports OTA TV. I have an old TVX box with a 1 TB hard drive. It has 2 tuners and records HD for ATSC 1.0 stations. It does all I need at this point. And it has a built-in guide from the stations. Free. It is doable.

[@stevez340]

@@barrya5191 “I understand your disgust about a subscription, but the reality is”😩

[@tkonzl6059]

Thanks for the update video. The inability of this already expensive, single tuner unit to network stream isn't cost-effective for my use. The reliance on a subscription is also a deal-killer. Too bad.

[@AntennaMan]

I understand your dissatisfaction with the guide data subscription but the reality is that Zapperbox has to pay a guide data provider for the 14 day channel guide which is simply passed onto the consumer. Besides Tablo (which makes money selling your data) nearly every other DVR charges a very small fee for a two week channel guide.

[@timmoss6372]

I heard Canada's going to the 3.0 system too.Did you hear anything about that

[@AntennaMan]

I haven't heard anything about Canada getting ATSC 3.0.

[@vwestTube]

So this box doesn’t have an app for smart devices?

[@AntennaMan]

Not yet. That's in the works. Currently, it needs to be connected directly to a TV with an HDMI cable like a Tivo.

[@vwestTube]

@ got it, I’ll buy one when the app will be available, I need one to be reached on my local network

[@halexander7835]

@@AntennaMan Tablo is better. Already has an app.

[@tpl608]

Still rocking the South Korean boy band style. 😅

[@ganrailroad]

I have a TiVo edge for antenna i paid $300 total for the dvr and a lifetime subscription, which lasts the life of the dvr even if you sell or give it away. Sometimes I've seen it for $250. I've had no problems after 2 years.

[@AntennaMan]

Support of the Tivo DVRs is dwindling but I'm sure you'll get some years out of it.

[@sparkyfister]

Yeah, I'll wait for Tablo.

[@JonBruner-p7x]

Nice video. Good info and saved me hours of research.

[@thomasvernier8506]

Im still waiting for a 4 tuner box. Football season sometimes bumps me to 3 simultaneous recordings on Sunday evenings. So, I suppose a single tuner plus a dual might do it, but then finding what I want to watch might be a bit of a hassle (how seemless is sharing recordings between Zapperboxen?)

[@DannerBanks]

Im in SLC UT, once Fox and NBC are available in my city on atsc 3, I will switch to the Zapperbox. Right now my Fire tv recast works too well (for atsc 1) 😂

[@AntennaMan]

If it isn't broken don't fix it!

[@DoushornLocke]

​@AntennaMan can it work in Jamaica 🇯🇲

[@RonaldDEdwards1]

Are the recordings streamed in 1080p? What about Dolby Digital sound?

[@larry21801]

But is it better than my Tivo Edge? I like those 4 tuners

[@joe10117]

can both. boxes have. two seperate antenna s connected..

[@DM-ry4js]

New to the Game, so if a station switches to 3.0 are they still broadcasting the 1.0?

[@petermschenk]

I currently use my Hd Homerun as a gateway because I use a tablet or my phone to stream live tv at home and when I am not near a tv. Unless I can continue to do that with an Asctv 3.0 tuner, I am not really interested.

[@garyganser2451]

So if I have two TVs at opposite ends of the house, I would need an M1 and M3? The M1 hooked up to my outdoor antenna and the M3 getting TV and streaming from the M1 via WiFi?

[@AntennaMan]

One M1 (dual tuner) and one M3 (gateway client) would work. You could also have one M1 (dual tuner) and one M2 (single tuner) or two M1s. To be clear, only DVR recordings can be accessed wirelessly at the moment. Live TV between multiple Zapperbox units is still being worked on.

[@garyganser2451]

@AntennaMan thank you! I have a bridge plan to put a unit on the second TV first. It has a weaker signal currently and I hope the atsc 3 will help it until the TV would come over wireless. I have a televes antenna on the other one

[@szarmark]

In the video you state that a guide subscription is required for recording on multiple devices. Is it required if you only have one device?

[@justinschultz4325]

This seems very expensive compared to buying one Tablo and watching on any tv via the Tablo app. So, there needs to be a main hub that's connected to the antenna? And you need a gateway for each tv? Perhaps a whole home setup overview is in order.

[@jimgreco7041]

I was thinking the same thing. I just cut the cable and got the tablo myself. Tablo is cheap, includes storage, free guide, client apps on most platforms and simple stupid to setup with one device. It can be a little temperamental and slow sometimes but for the price it was a low risk no brainer. Zappier is going to have to offer a more relyable product, with a much better user experience and feature set than Tablo to be competive at its price point. Also I would not hold my breath for the smart TV and phone apps It's not easy it takes most companies a year or two get everything figured out.

[@JoshRazauskas]

Hi Tyler, I’ve been considering picking one of these up for a while from your past views, but the thing that confuses me the most is, do you actually need it to have it hooked up to the Internet to use it? As you know from our past conversations, the biggest reason I love the antenna is the zero delay so if the box has to pass through the Internet, that would go away, wouldn’t it?

[@AntennaMan]

You can still use the Zapperbox without an internet connection. The internet connection is only needed to decode DRM encrypted ATSC 3.0 channels or for the 14 day channel guide.

[@JoshRazauskas]

@@AntennaManOkay thanks Tyler.

[@c2jones]

I would like ZapperBox to create an ATSC 3.0 tuner (with DRM) in a streaming device without a DVR. I don't need a DVR. These guys are missing a portion of the buying public.

[@mistermac56]

You can go with the ADTH ATSC 3.0 device.

[@c2jones]

@@mistermac56 Hmm. Has ADTH added streaming services? I must have missed that.

[@halexander7835]

@@mistermac56 I have an ADTH on one of the sets, and it works fine.

[@busnorth]

I would be happy again if we could only get over the air broadcast back in the rural countrys fo sd. They left us in the dark. Nearest tower is 75 miles as a bird fly away.

[@AntennaMan]

Sorry to hear about that. Some rural locations are in dead zones where very few if any local channel scan be picked up with an antenna.

[@matthewjbauer1990]

If I could use it with Plex, I'd get an M1 for my main TV and an M3 for my bedroom. The $30/year doesn't bother me since I can record. Too bad ATSC 3.0 encrypted recording doesn't work (yet). For now, I'll stick with my HDHR Flex 4k and hold out hope they eventually get DRM figured out.

[@tpl608]

My man Tyler, please do your side to side head bob and Bla Bla Bla on every video as your signature. It was glorious. 😅. At least occasionally? Please. 😅

[@martz1191]

What antenna are you pairing with this to receive Philadelphia, Lehigh Valley and Scranton/Wilkes Barre?

[@AntennaMan]

I use the model below in my attic but keep in mind my success just happens to be my location. Your location is different so you might need a larger antenna. amzn.to/480iMOs

[@martz1191]

@AntennaMan Good antenna with a wonderful location. Wow

[@drsg9124]

I'm pretty happy with my hdhomerun flex 4k in the Philly area.

[@AntennaMan]

You're happy for now until 6ABC turns on DRM encryption like the rest of the stations. After that, you will only have access to the 1.0 signal which can be hard to pick up in a lot of locations.

[@drsg9124]

@AntennaMan very very true.... luckily I can still barely pick up the 1.0 signal. Will have to look for alternative means when that time comes

[@Pallidus_Rider]

Any info on Tablo? I see it advertised on OTA TV. Would like to see how it compares to Sling and this Zapper box

[@shanafan]

You only need 1 Tablo - if the device you are trying to watch supports Tablo.

[@AntennaMan]

I already reviewed the Tablo. See below. Make sure to browse my channel for other videos as you likely missed more in addition to this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2qvoIKYd7yMe9U

[@vader0ne]

I have the fire tv recast box that I use and love it besides TV Mate for all my viewing pleasure.

[@jcilley97]

This isn't in the context of this video, it is about antennas, I hate it when they "claim" a frequency range like "87.5 to 108 MHz when it is just the size of the Antenna that matters. Only the decoder/converter/reciever decides that, for example I have an antenna that works fine on AM, even when broadcasting on UHF from my house, and it works totally fine, but yet, they market it as an FM Antenna? It should say what bands it supports and completely forget about the mile range and the frequency they "claim to support". The thing is you don't know. Some will work just as good or bad for others.

[@4-6-3DP]

That subscription requirement is a deal killer. Here’s hoping Tablo has an ATSC product on the horizon

[@AntennaMan]

The reality is that Zapperbox has to pay a guide data provider for the 14 day channel guide which is simply passed onto the consumer. Besides Tablo (which doesn't charge because they money selling your data) nearly every other DVR charges a very small fee for a two week channel guide.

[@4-6-3DP]

@@AntennaMan Thx for the explanation. Was not aware that Tablo was selling my data!

[@iloveclayaiken]

If i get a tablo DVR does it have nextgeentv capacity

[@AntennaMan]

The Tablo DVR is not NextGen capable, only the Zapperbox and the GTMedia unit below which is very basic. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHqXnWiiaqeMr8U

[@jonathanlsmith]

I currently have a tablo 4 tuner device which allows me to hook up my antenna in the basement, then install the app on my TVs. It sounds like Zapper is heading in that direction. Do you know when the will support multi tuner? I like Tablo, but they have too much downtime.,

[@AntennaMan]

The Zapperbox M1 actually has two tuners built in. zapperbox.com/products/zapperbox-m1?bg_ref=nKGJvXddO8

[@jonathanlsmith]

@@AntennaMan Thanks. I would need a mini for each TV and use a separate remote to control the mini. I dont think they understand cord cutters goals. Keep it simple, limit investment. Maybe Im missing something....

[@justinschultz4325]

I have the exact same concerns. I'm a happy Tablo user too. Other than 4K, I don't see the point of Zapperbox. Too complicated! ​@jonathanlsmith

[@donnanorth7324]

Tyler, I have tried many flat antennas (in an apartment) and even combined them with an amp, changed smart TVs, and have not gotten good results in my particular location. I was just given an old non-smart samsung and the tuner is great! I now get some channels pretty strong. So...if I get this zapperbox, will I be relying on its tuner for recording, or the tuner in my old TV?

[@AntennaMan]

If you get this Zapperbox, you would rely on the tuner built in the Zapperbox for recordings. While the tuner sensitivity is good, I haven't compared it directly with a Samsung TV so I would only order one if you want the DVR feature or have trouble picking up some channels and live in a market with ATSC 3.0.

[@davidframe1613]

Is an internet connection still required??

[@AntennaMan]

Only to access DRM encrypted ATSC 3.0 channels and the two week channel guide. You can still use the Zapperbox to watch TV or manual schedule recordings without an internet connection.

[@sirracer2005]

Does it work with emby? I ask because that's what I use for live tv and the hdhomerun doesn't always work and record with emby like i hoped it would.

[@AntennaMan]

It currently does not work with Emby, and it's quite possible no network tuner ever will because of the red tape involved with DRM certification. Contact your elected officials and urge them to pass legislation prohibiting DRM encryption on local TV broadcasts that should be accessible on any device.

[@sirracer2005]

@AntennaMan you are right. I need to do that.

[@cindyjurgens1392]

Hi do you really watch a lot of Antenna TV? I just watch sports over the air and I can say I don't miss the commercials at all

[@AntennaMan]

Not really. I only watch the local news, Judge Judy, and Inside Edition. You're correct about the commercials - they've gotten longer despite what I believe is lower quality content.

[@kevinlsims7330]

I Use A SiliconDust HD HomeRun Quad Tuner Network Attached Tuner And I Use A PVR Program To Record The Files And Another Program Called MCE_Buddy To Trans-code The Recordings Remove The Ads And Add The Meta Data, Rename And Store It In My Library Which I Access Through Jellyfin Media Server! Been Recording TV Shows Since 2005 And Have Acquired Several Thousand Now! I Bought A Bunch Of Old Data Center 14TB Drives Which I Built My JBOD Array With!

[@AntennaMan]

The HDHomerun is a great unit. Unfortunately, it isn't certified to decode DRM encrypted channels and might never be. This won't pose a problem for probably 5-10 years when/if ATSC 1.0 is shut down, but for most markets where the ATSC 3.0 signals are encrypted, the Zapperbox is the best unit on the market right now for that.

[@kevinlsims7330]

@@AntennaMan If TV Does Not Get Rid Of The WOKE Ass Garbage It Wont Matter! I'll Just Have To Watch 1 of The 35,000 TV Episodes Across 1,118 TV Series Instead! Love Your Channel Dude!

[@TonyPadgett]

@@AntennaMan Just curious...what is giving you the impression that HDHomerun might never get certified? I had the impression they have a larger market than Zapperbox who I only heard of recently.

[@mephitusincognito7918]

there are no ATSC 3 channels planned for my area and no new ATSC 3 markets have been added in quite a while.... the price of this thing is insane... so i dont think any more channels are going to roll out anytime soon... h264 + atsc 1.0 is the best route...

[@thomasvernier8506]

Apps should include the major interfaces (Google/Roku/Apple)…

[@ccarr278]

Tablo atsc 3.0 please. Pronto.

[@AntennaMan]

Probably not happening anytime soon. Tablo's plan to make a 3.0 unit was abandoned after TV stations began to encrypt their signals with DRM along with the acquisition of the company by Scripps.

[@MrSamAxe]

Still using my AirTv 2 and free version of Sling.

[@AntennaMan]

Nothing wrong with that! Glad it's working well for you.

[@magesnz]

that good news but it still isn't the thing we want with plex and hd homerun to work with atsc 3.0 .....

[@AntennaMan]

I'm not sure the HDHomerun or PLEX will ever work with DRM encrypted ATSC 3.0 channels due to the closed nature of the encryption. Contact your elected officials and urge them to pass legislation prohibiting DRM encryption on local TV broadcasts that should be free and accessible on any device.

[@magesnz]

@@AntennaMan as i'm canadian it dosen't work that way, but i'll have to see with industry canada , but thank you for your videos

[@ricksvideos4883]

I’ve got a SD Flex 4K and am more than a little pissed that it can’t decode the DRMed ATSC 3.0 channels in my Birmingham area. I won’t be spending any more money on ATSC 3.0 products until A3SA gets off their asses and approves gateway functions for my Flex 4K….

[@AntennaMan]

Contact your elected officials and urge them to pass legislation prohibiting DRM encryption on local TV broadcast that should be freely accessible on any device.

[@mitchbandalan9450]

Hummm, I'll keep Tablo until Zapperbox provides what it has or I am forced to upgrade.

[@AG-bp3ll]

Well at least there is an option but not one I'm interested in.

[@bennettcom]

I think I'll just stick with Tablo.

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

monthly sub kinda sucks...

[@ThejasonJaw5442]

I have an antenna i use Dish Network its easier I don't have to buy equipped that cost money

[@sparkyfister]

How much do you pay monthly? I bet it's higher than $0

[@rickalta2770]

One long God damn commercial

[@johncoy5912]

Tablo needs 3.0 and Zapperbox needs to get a device roku compatible..

[@ccarr278]

My daily prayer.

[@johncoy5912]

ATSC 3.0 has a long way to go . And still may fall flat if they can't meet everyone's needs

[@AntennaMan]

Tablo's plan to make a 3.0 unit was abandoned after TV stations began to encrypt their signals with DRM along with the acquisition of the company by Scripps. The good news is there are plans to get the Zapperbox to work with Roku devices in the works.

[@nm-qt2hb]

No way I will buy one Zapper for ea TV. While I like the Zapper, for now I will wait for a more affordable option to come along.

[@johncoy5912]

@@AntennaMan I don't like the romote Zapperbox has and I don't like switching imputs so I will continue using my tablo and wait for a gateway 3.0device because I'm tired of paying for tv .

[@acoustic61]

Too much for a single tuner.

[@salty6pence672]

I dont want to pay for guide data.

[@AntennaMan]

The reality is that Zapperbox has to pay a guide data provider for the 14 day channel guide which is simply passed onto the consumer. Besides Tablo (which doesn't charge because they money selling your data) nearly every other DVR charges a very small fee for a two week channel guide. You can still access about 24 hours of guide data from the off-air signal for free without a subscription.

[@Valleyey-k1y]

Your channel is a real discovery for me! Thank you for such videos! ✨🍓

[@JonBruner-p7x]

I've paid for his service. He's good.

[@kenovryn]

$200? Yikes!

[@AntennaMan]

The cost is expected for one of the only ATSC 3.0 DVRs in the early stages of the launch. Frankly, it's pretty reasonable considering the Tivo Edge cost about $400 and wasn't ATSC 3.0 capable.

[@kenovryn]

@AntennaMan Shirley you are letting this sponsor affect your independence and judgement! Most OTA users are looking to save money.

[@AntennaMan]

@@kenovryn No, I am not. It's what I truly believe. If I wanted to "let the sponsorship affect my independence and judgement" I would've kept my mouth shut about the issues with DRM and partnered with TV manufacturers. Instead, I called out the industry for the issues and likely lost thousands in brand deals and affiliate commission as a result. The Zapperbox is a great unit at a great price for what you get - an ATSC 3.0 set top box with advanced DVR capabilities. Look at all other ATSC 3.0 tuners. They are a mess.

[@ibanezzer1]

Never will I ever pay for over the air TV of any kind. ATSC 1.0 gives me the guide and I can DVR anything I want using nextPVR and Plex. I understand they need to pass their cost on to the consumer but the guide is a cost that shouldn't exist in the first place. With the amount of bandwidth available in ATSC 3.0, they could provide guide info if they wanted. Just another way to extort money from folks.

[@AntennaMan]

Keep in mind that you do still get access to a 24 hour channel guide from the off air signal without a guide data and DVR subscription. If TV stations added a full two week channel guide into the off air signal, people would complain since the picture quality would be reduced.

[@JavierLopezElMagnate]

Yeah, I’ll pass. Screw that.

[@halexander7835]

PAYING FOR A CHANNEL GUIDE....SOMETHING FEELS WRONG WITH THAT!!!!

[@AntennaMan]

Zapperbox has to pay a separate guide data provider for the two week channel guide so that cost is simply passed onto the consumer. For what it's worth, you still get a free 24 hour channel guide from the off air signals if you don't pay for the guide data subscription.

[@DonnyHooterHoot]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaiadKWugc9mbKs

[@AntennaMan]

Please do not insult my personal appearance. I work very hard to help people cut the cord with an antenna and don't need to see comments like this.

[@yuprulesing]

I really don't get how the original KING of home DVR's: HDHomeRun hasn't created a device like this? HDHomeRun's original 4K device can't even decode ATSC 3.0....let alone record it! They are going to be LEFT IN THE DUST if they don't wake up and smell the coffee!

[@JGS1852]

watching you shill hurts my soul