Multiplicity of the Mind: An Approach To Healing the Inner Self | Dr. Richard Schwartz X Rich Roll

Richard Schwartz, Ph.D., shares ways to use Internal Family Systems to better understand yourself, heal your emotional afflictions, and embody your core self. To read more about Dr. Schwartz and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾bit.ly/richroll761a
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00:00:00 INTRO
00:03:21 What is Internal Family Systems?
00:11:29 Understanding Parts as Full Personalities
00:22:33 The Self
00:39:31 The Benefits of 12 Step
00:44:33 Unburdening Parts
00:46:20 Inner Ecology
00:50:51 Seeing Parts in Others
00:55:17 Taking Responsibility for Our Own Parts
01:00:19 12-Step Inventory
01:11:27 Practical habit-based tool
01:13:49 The Eight C Words
01:15:57 Rediscovering the Self
01:21:22 Naming and Communicating with Parts
01:25:51 Dr. Schwartz Takes Rich Through A Therapeutic Exercise
01:50:24 The importance of maintaining the inner system
01:51:03 Resources for practicing IFS
01:51:37 Schwartz's latest book and website
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[@Jay...777]

Schwartz & Mate show the way to a compassionate self understanding.

[@michellemonet4358]

Compassion is key

[@nicccoll]

I 100% agree :)

[@moniquemichelle7295]

Yes! Both true gifts to the world!

[@heartful.healing]

I am a psychotherapist and IFS has been a huge benefit in my personal work and in my work with clients. It's so deshaming, compassionate, and open. The structure of IFS therapy is magnificent and clear once you get the flow of it. Watching clients unburden their parts is such a joy and feels magical. I love IFS. ❤️

[@LiveIFS]

Do you use it in conjunction with other modalities? Or do you find sticking to IFS most valuable?

[@heartful.healing]

@Live IFS I use it in conjunction with EMDR, SE, NLP, EFT, HeartMath, and a few others. But I typically tend to use a lot of IFS because it's just so natural and profound. I use IFS sometimes on its own and it's super powerful by itself as well.

[@venniece1]

Holly, THANK YOU for the work you do to guide people in their inner healing ❤️ Thank You for incorporating IFS into your work. I have seen the profound impact it can have- in my own life and the lives of the people in my community 🤩 My favorite aspect of IFS is that I’ve learned a method that is now a practice in my life. It’s extremely empowering for me.

[@fightington]

​@@venniece1Big mind big heart method by genpo roshi was a big thing in helping me because it showed me the seeking to be free, (now i know must have come from a part), strength training and IFS covered a whole lot more. The flow you talk about is easier because of what i found from Genpo. thought of that when i read your comment. all the best

[@therapyoutsidethebox5466]

With ya! Absolute game changer. The foundation of my view of the psyche and my work as a whole ❤

[@gwendolynmurphy9563]

I also admire and respect anyone who is willing to do personal work in front of an audience. I hope everyone who is willing to do that appreciates what a learning opportunity it is for us watching. Thank you Rich

[@prestoncram7507]

Got 40 minutes in, stopped and went and bought his No Bad Parts book. I feel like this is exactly what I’ve been looking for, thanks for having him on the show

[@tnijoo5109]

How’s it going with the book, no bad parts? Was it helpful?

[@gotmystrength]

​@@tnijoo5109⁰0⁰0

[@dahoughton4255]

The book is awesome!! Easy to understand.@@tnijoo5109

[@melliecrann-gaoth4789]

@@tnijoo5109I bought the book about a year ago. That and two others that use the Bowen Family Systems method. And a few more. I have read none. Every time I hear of a new book- after watching tonnes of youtube I think “this is it”. No bad parts is a small book- supposed to be an easy read- I’m going to try again with it.

[@aigulsuh]

​@@tnijoo5109This book stands out as one of my best purchases. It's not suitable for those who are not proactive, as nearly half of the content consists of exercises. Consider getting it only if you're genuinely committed to doing the therapy on your own. I found it incredibly beneficial, and I wish you good luck.

[@mariadinn4441]

I started my first IFS session today. I’ve done psychodynamic therapy for 10 years and swore I was done retelling the same old stories. Where nothing in me or my life changes. I can’t believe how much better I see what’s going on after one session. I can see how far this is capable of going. Parts of me that I didn’t know were showing themselves. I’m blown away. And I I’ve barely scratched the surface.

[@therapyoutsidethebox5466]

Amazing, right?! I was trained in psychodynamic models and had a good amount of dynamic therapy. Discovered IFS in ‘06 and my world and practice has never been the same ❤🙏

[@moniquemichelle7295]

Yup! Rehashing the past doesn’t help with trauma. IFS, somatics and clean nutrition.

[@joy8801]

@@moniquemichelle7295can you please advice good somatic and ifs channels thanks❤

[@bohemianqueen_]

Wow I have never seen Rich shut down his pessimism so fast. Thank you once again for being vulnerable. That was beautiful to watch.

[@joanniemuskett3266]

Yes, it was! 🥰

[@ravenbarbour5319]

I am FLOORED. Just Wow. I have been learning about IFS and already receiving SO much benefit. Watching this I am simply floored at how masterfully Dick Schwartz navigated this. Rich started in his hyper analytic space and I just watched as he transformed into a much much more tender, present version of himself right before my eyes!!! It was SO BEAUTIFUL!!!!

[@venniece1]

I’ve wanted Rich to interview Dr Schwartz for two years!! This conversation makes my heart full of joy. ❤ I experienced trauma as a child. Through the IFS method I’ve been able to heal my Parts and now I have a very different relationship with them. As a result of this process I’ve experienced physical healing, and a completely different relationship with my Mom and husband ❤️❤️❤️ I also participated in an online workshop with Dr Mate and Dr Schwartz. It was PHENOMENAL ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@nancyelsie]

This is powerful hearing more and more of Dr. S using his skill and appreciating Rich's vulnerability. Thank you both. Rich go more with Dr.S.❤

[@Julia30061995]

Where did you do the workshop? :)

[@venniece1]

@@Julia30061995 it was an online workshop last year. It was phenomenal! The weekend was with Dr. Gabor Mate and Dr. Richard Schwartz. They both shared about their therapy modalities and they did therapy sessions with actual participants. It demonstrated how IFS therapy looks. Sadly, I don’t recall the name of the workshop.

[@margaretsearle5173]

​@@Julia30061995 It was Online

[@cindyspiess9963]

👍 Excellent !

[@nicccoll]

I am a Psychotherapist and I use IFS primarily. It has made the most profound difference in my personal and professional life with my clients. So grateful I fell into this area of training so early in my career.

[@bradleyriddell4745]

Me too @niccoll…me too..!!!! Thank you Dr Schwartz 🙏

[@therapyoutsidethebox5466]

Me as well!

[@steceymorgan814]

Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.

[@elizabethwilliams6651]

Does anyone know any good source to get them? I put so much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety levels, would love to give shrooms a try.

[@APOLLINAIREBARTHOLOMIEU]

Yes, dr.sporesss

[@patriaciasmith3499]

Dr.sporesss is the best, he's been my go to for anything psychedelics.

[@elizabethwilliams6651]

Is he on instagram?

[@APOLLINAIREBARTHOLOMIEU]

Yes he is. dr.sporesss

[@owenlarson07366]

Never understood what it meant to “love yourself” until I started this work. It changed everything for me.

[@NelaCopey2959]

The same for me. What? Love yourself? But, it's the essence of all that. is. The Buddha knew!

[@michellemonet4358]

❤🎉🎉🎉❤Beautiul

[@michellemonet4358]

​@@NelaCopey2959 So did Louise Hay

[@twilit]

@@NelaCopey2959buddha never said love yourself lol

[@NelaCopey2959]

@@twilit With all due respect, you're mistaken and apparently haven't read all the texts.

[@mauraboland6842]

This form of therapy changed my life and saved my life! . Even after 34 years of sobriety this profoundly changed me -it is so incredible. This along with the steps...I never thought my life would change it has and having done so, I now get to live on the other side of Trauma..Thank you Richard.

[@timmorenz9838]

How blessed and fortunate we are to live in an age with both contemporary and ancient modalities to heal ourselves and live our most authentic lives: IFS, clinical hypnosis, EMDR, mindfulness, etc. Thanks to Rich for the ability to ask powerful questions and listen deeply, and thanks to Richard for modeling how to do that.

[@kathleengeraty4448]

Rich, thank you. Your vulnerability is huge. Your 15 yo was clearly shared. He’s beautiful. Beautiful. Take good care of him. Give him a lot of compassion & hugs…often. Bless! 💟🙏🏼

[@lindaelarde2692]

So powerful. I started crying as you went through the reconnection with your 15 year old self...guess I have a part there too!

[@MidLifeRunner]

IFS + 12 step recovery = ACOA. It brings mindfulness plus healing. Can work through any loss (including emotional abandonment) and identify current survival behaviors that no longer serve us. And most importantly, it introduces healing through a loving higher power and allows the individual to re parent themselves. Emotional sobriety and healing is possible. It’s not a void - but a glacier of frozen emotions that needs to thaw

[@OUTMAMA]

Excellent comment. The inner experiences described by him is what we call the ism in alcoholism.

[@monetl3315]

this conversation brought tears to my eyes. a courageous conversation to share 🙏

[@kwikitti]

Thank you so much, Rich for being willing to let Dr Schwartz demo IFS 'live' with you, thereby making this a powerful podcast. I look forward to reading "No Bad Parts" to learn more and apply Dr Schwartz's IFS principles myself.

[@brookie_cuqui]

Rich Roll! You were discovering your Rich roles! This was so instructive. Much love and gratitude. 🐛🦋 Peace out!

[@ChristineKnightIFS]

IFS changed my life while in grad school working on my MA in Counseling. So I decided to focus on working within the subconscious for my private practice & decided not to license as a talk therapist so I can work with anyone anywhere. It is an honor to be trained through Dick’s IFS-Institute & private trainings. ❤

[@fredabonnet2253]

Blown away by this episode! Thank you Rich for your vulnerability and willingness to expose your PARTS. So proud of you, I've been following you for years and applaud your journey. I hope you add IFS into your healing modalities. It appears to have had an impact. So fantastic to see a professional out in the public doing this. One of your best episodes (for you).

[@samuelkonik7296]

Just watching this made me spontaneously release some trapped emotions.

[@Knifymoloko]

How amazing right

[@dpauksta]

A few months ago, I spent three days in a row in a sensory deprivation tank for one hour each day. It was meant to help me with some post-concussion syndrome issues. The first two days were a flurry of thoughts/discomforts, but something happened on day 3. I was halfway into the session, just floating there with no expectations, and a voice - MY voice - said out of nowhere, “Thank you for keeping me safe when I needed you, but I don’t need you anymore. Please leave now.” I kept saying it over and over again, and I was saying it to the voice that’s told me that nobody likes me, that I’m not good enough, that I should give up. I named it The Other in the float tank. After a long time of saying “please leave now,” I literally saw a face in the dark, almost like a child’s drawing of a face, and it faded into the darkness and I felt free for the first time in my life.

[@suegoldfild8990]

When really triggered it may still come back - you need to follow the several steps to re-home that part after it releases its negative beliefs/feelings.

[@chooseaname1423]

@@suegoldfild8990how do you rehome a part? What are the steps?

[@lisarost6335]

Deep gratitude to you Rich and Richard - your work has impacted my life profoundly and meaningfully. For me IFS therapy blows regular talk therapy out of the water. It is very different when one can contact these unwell, hurt, angry, scared parts, and listen and care for them directly and lovingly. It has been extremely helpful for me to identify them as Parts rather than "The Whole of Me is F***** up & past is, or & I am, unchangeable/unfix-able". Guess what? It's changeable & transformational with those C words. IFS is a way to get out of the loop of old stories and really heal with our attention and care in present time. The 8 C's of Self Energy/Awareness: Calmness, Curiosity, Clarity, Confidence, Courage, Creativity, Connectedness. Thank you Rich for sharing your session. You are brave and beautiful.

[@juanvallejos4436]

I cried for the whole last part. It was really touching for me since I feel the same things that you said.. Thanks for doing this Rich, nevertheless it would be great to see you being able to do this without the suffering associated with the self criticism and perfectionism, and only driven by the love that we all know you have inside. I really appreciate all the work. Cheers from Buenos Aires ❤‍🩹

[@ShaneHarveyMusic]

Sabatour = “how good can you stand it?” Sadly most of us can’t handle it going too well. We don’t feel worthy of good things coming our way. And 12 step needs a total over haul Rich. Outside issues are what brings most of us to AA. Not allowing such dialogue is crushing. In my secular recovery group people are totally relieved to be able to talk about childhood traumas and other puzzle pieces.

[@Millennialhome]

Incorporating IFS as a 13th step could change everything…

[@jessicaw9185]

IFS has changed my life and healed me heal my complex PTSD. I am so grateful. ❤

[@melliecrann-gaoth4789]

There is a different sort of depression- not lethargic- it is the opposite- it is very agitated and most unfortunately it can be missed as anxiety. It killed my brother. He was very actively looking for help. He did not have an addiction. I really hope that posting here, this helps to open this up and bring to awareness in health care and becomes more recognised and treated in the context of serious depression.

[@nandspeartree7263]

I did the exercise while Richard spoke to Rich and I found my 5 year old self watching my 6 year old sister being dragged while screaming and crying to go home because we dropped her off at boarding school and I knew next year would be my turn, so I promised myself that when next year came, I wouldn't cry so that mommy would love me more. When I did go to boarding school, I just bit the inside of my cheeks and held back my tears, truth is I'm always scared inside but show that I'm strong

[@geolbjr]

I too was the good little boy as I was led away , mom dropped me off , I never saw her as she got back in the cab that took her away, the English boarding school had this process down pat ...just going numb and not really present to the whole experience.....never really recovered, and i can only imagine what it was like for my mother!!!!😢

[@ryanswanson2251]

Amazing episode. Really inspiring to see Rich being so courageous and risk being so vulnerable in the mini session with Dr. Schwartz. I couldn't imagine the pressure being in the spotlight like that. Was very enthralled, and look forward to investing in myself and participating in IFS therapy.

[@godislove4540]

I love Dick Schwartz! I firmly believe he’s a genius. As a therapist and client myself, I am so grateful for Dick and this modality. Because of him, I’m a more effective healer and am completing my own healing process.

[@carolgerber6375]

Love Dr. Schwartz! His work has helped me immensely.❤ Rich, thank you for being vulnerable!

[@Chris-id8zo]

So grateful for this conversation. It couldn’t have landed at a better time for me. Thank you Rich and Dr. Schwartz for what you do and bring into the world.

[@myronschabe]

I have found the best way to learn about IFS is to watch one of the few videos on YT about someone being taken thru a session...it really helps understand this process...very powerful and makes total sense.

[@gwendolynmurphy9563]

I met Dick Schwartz in 1983 at his "launch" of IFS, at Esalen. I have had the opportunity to encounter him in a few webinar scenarios as well as Psychedelic Science Conference and now, hearing him, my ongoing admiration and respect are only deepening! A mensch!

[@lindahall9686]

Rich, thank you for being vulnerable and courageous enough to walk through the demo at the end. I listened to the podcast version this afternoon and could feel myself walking through it with you with my own “part” that tells me I never work hard enough or accomplish enough. I could feel something opening up and could picture myself at a younger age, needing a caring adult. This is making sense and I’m going to keep working through it.

[@mddsgn]

ACOA gets at inner child. Adult Children of Alcoholics. One's parents need not have an alcohol addition - rage or general disfunction qualifies, so to speak. IFS has been recommended to me for years and I was thrilled to see Dr. Schwartz. ACOA is 12 Step for IFS. I'm not a therapist, but not that many therapists or oddly other 12 steppers even know about ACOA.

[@kalena26]

I truly adore this interview and these two men. This podcast singlehandedly launched me in to self exploration and ending a toxic 15 year relationship. And also quitting alcohol. Rich, you are so vulnerable in this interview and I thank you. Your vulnerability with Dick and your willingness to go there has given me the confidence to do the same. Dammit! I'm ready to live my life!❤

[@moniquemichelle7295]

❤

[@clamcharlie]

OMG...I will be watching this over and over....Thank you Rich for Saving my life ❤

[@lisascott5670]

I'm using IFS in my health/life coaching practice! Loved this brave and beautiful exploration!! Bravo!!!

[@anoucheerbil-babayan6728]

The exercise at the end of the interview is SO beautiful, seems so powerful. And the idea of the parts within us gives me immense hope. Thank you to both of you ❤

[@cgenoversa]

So many good questions, and good answers. I think what might be missing in the conversation around 12 steps is that, AA or whatever-A treats the primary addiction, the one that’s going to kill you first. It fails to see the Virtue in your vices, while you’re acting out or in, And tells you that you are a winner if you didn’t X,Y OR Z today. Which makes sense to a point. AA saved my life. But at 10 years for me the “why” became a more urgent question. Redemption, Fear, and shame were not adequate to keep me from diving into a binge of secondary addictions.

[@peterfarnsworth9495]

This was a riveting and emotional videocast for me, and thanks to Rich for allowing us to see a sample of the capabilities of this therapy approach. It would not be easy to expose one's vulnerabilities in this situation . What a compassionate approach to therapy. I agree with others - I was blown away by this episode -

[@joshuaweber3273]

I started doing internal family systems therapy after watching this and after 4 weeks of investigating myself I’ve made some very important discoveries about myself. The simplest way I can describe it is that it’s allowed me to become an observer of behaviors and experience, and objectively understand why I respond to my world the way I do.

[@nancymiller4383]

Loving this episode…. Really needed to hear it at this time in my life. Thank you for having him in your show!

[@Matt909]

41:40 Forgive the world play here, as my purpose is to emphasize. To paraphrase for palatability's sake: Even before you have not yet healed that dysfunctional "part" of yourself, just recognizing the role it plays in your life relaxes the tight tensions you have towards it. Hot! That is very hot. 🔥🔥🔥 I really appreciated this conversation. Yes Rich, even the fumbles only you accept exist.

[@youhavetogotheretocomeback]

If anyone is hesitating or wondering whether they should listen to this man - DO IT. His work has had a more profound impact on me than any therapy out there, and I have experience of a great many. Richard Schwartz is a humble and kind man who may just have uncovered the therapy to transform humanity. Thank you Dr Schwartz!

[@Sunlightsam24]

I only did one therapy approach and it was IFS. Found it in a flukely, sychronistic way and couldn’t be more grateful

[@grivgold]

Hard to find a real one, lmk if you know one!

[@youhavetogotheretocomeback]

@@grivgold a real what?

[@truebryantcoaching]

I attended two retreats at Kripalu Center with Dick years ago. In short my life turned around, I discovered inner peace like never before, and I genuinely started loving myself. Life-changing work, and I'm so grateful. Thanks Rich for having him on.

[@vaishalivaidya7978]

An amazing insight...As someone pursuing Masters in Clinical Psychology, I'd definitely like to learn this modality, as I personally believe that, if something exists, it needs to be serving a purpose, wheather we are consciously aware of it or not...and anything, an pattern/habit, gets dysfunctional or relatively abusive, if it's overused (over stretched) or underused (repressed and suppressed)...and till we become aware, it's even difficult to have any kind of a choice to even make a choice, about anything in our lives.

[@zlatamastina4066]

thank you for popularizing IFS! It's revolutionary indeed

[@laceyarrie]

Talk about synchronicity! The timing on this one could not have come at a better time!

[@alandiaz8910]

The last part is simply a master piece! Love it. Everyone can do this at home and just answer the question. To see the magic appear.

[@tinabridge6230]

Thank you for having Dr. Schwartz on. I’ve been so interested in IFS for awhile. It all makes perfect sense to me and helps to understand the inner critic in me and showing compassion towards him. ❤

[@user-uu2nw6fl6z]

I'm a psychotherapist and IFS has significantly impacted my professional and personal life in very positive ways. It is my hope that all mental health professionals will receive training on IFS.

[@melliecrann-gaoth4789]

What Richard describes with his wife is a very good example- for a relationship where there is regular angst but not abuse.

[@madelineaudurier168]

Respect Rich hands down so much appreciation for a bravery of a human being to not be afraid to show venerability in public. The shift was so visible, the peace, release and permission. This is what we all need. Thank you for this great session. Namaste

[@Divineheart7]

Just the fact that our parts aren't bad, they have a good reason for their actions, was the missing piece I needed to help me break out of toxic shame.

[@susank585]

This is powerful! I think highly of Rich Roll and it's my first exposure to Dr. Schwartz. This is an amazing and authentic interplay between two people giving one another the grace of presence, deep listening, and transformation! Thank you both! Namaste!

[@ivan7dora]

Every now and then I want to comment here "this was the best episode ever!". Then something stops me, and then you come up with something even better. As you're reading this and nothing stopped me from typing it it's safe to say you've peaked. 😂 This was amazing! Deeply touching - in a non-devastating way - and valuable beyond words. Thank you so much for doing all this! Your podcast helps me a lot on at least 3 levels (my soul, my body and my brain). Many thanks for Dr. Schwartz too for not being satisfied with the "old" beliefs and methods. You're extremely kind to us, Rich. Be kind to yourself too. ❤

[@Millennialhome]

Oh my goodness, yes!!!!! I just watched Rich’s conversation on Diary of a CEO and really wanted to type that this was the best episode of a podcast I have ever heard, but I stopped myself because Rich’s podcast is my absolute favorite podcast in the world and something about it didn’t feel right. Only to listen to this episode a couple days later! Rich is truly a prophet among us. So thankful for this man. Dr. Swartz, this is the most profound invention in psychology since the inception of psychology itself. And as a loyal Jungian who considers the theory of the collective unconscious to be the holy grail, IFS appears to be the missing philosophers stone.

[@ivan7dora]

@@Millennialhome so great to "meet" a kindred spirit! 😁

[@Ellenweiss1]

Great interview...I am just soaking Schwartz up over the last months. I think its funny though how he kind of leaves the 5 P's aside, presence, perspective patience, persistence and playfulness. I wonder if someone else brought those in. In any case the 8 C's are wonderful...the 5 P's along with them, really change things for me in terms of fully accessing my core Self. I'm sending my therapist these interviews, and so far I'm grateful that she is receiving them:))

[@intuitionmattersunveiled]

That was SUPERPOWER! Thank you Rich for your courage and valor to risk "going there" with Dick to reveal the transformational power and effectiveness of IFS. It brought tears to my eyes and moved me in meaningful ways as well. Bless you both for the extraordinary Gift or allowing us to witness this process in action. Gentle-men, you are such potent & valuable role models! Thank you!

[@VickyWilsonArt]

I feel like I was frogmarched into action listening to this. Thank you both, deeply.

[@maureenshillington3940]

As a Relational Psychology Counsellor this alignes well with my training and practice. I have a few tears of empathy and resonance on a personal level, as well. Compassion spreads a long way. Thank you for your work and for doing this in a public forum.

[@bellaendale7174]

Agree @maureen...Rich's vulnerability and Dr Schwartz's compassion brings me to tears and heals me in ways I didn't think I was wounded...so grateful for both of them and for all of us who are benefitting and by God's grace as we heal we help ourselves and helps others ❤

[@jgarciajr82]

It's crazy to me that he got so skeptical and by the end was so involved. 😮😮😮🎉😂❤🙌🙏🏼🕊️🤯

[@helenatroy33]

I'm 10 minutes in and so far sounds like rubbish, I'll listen to the end after reading your comment 😊

[@thomasneuhaus4838]

The last 30 minutes of this podcast are amazing.

[@mirandab5612]

Beautiful example of vulnerability for the sake of helping both self and others- it does not have to be mutually exclusive ❤

[@myrootsgraspNewsoil]

Loved this! Thank you Rich and Dick for such a wonderful and helpful conversation. AA saved my life. The steps in the BB showed me how to treat my underlying condition (why I drank and used in the first place.) But as time went by, even though I stayed within the “3 legacies” during all of my 26 sober years, I’d continually mentally and emotionally stumble over the same deeply painful stones. My last 4th step (2 years ago,) clearly revealed to my sponsor and I, that I was actually suffering from cptsd and suggested I stay open to the idea of also seeking professional help-since the steps are not really equipped to explore those more “unconscious” areas. (Bill W of course had to seek therapy after the steps too.) Thankfully that led me to an IFS Therapist a few months ago. Honestly it’s been incredible!!! I’m finally tapping into my “True Self” and genuinely getting free in what feels like miraculous ways! I def have a lot more to unpack in IFS-but the results are fueling my enthusiasm to continue with it in conjunction with the 12 steps, 12 trads and 12 concepts.

[@ElderTimes]

Rich! You are my hero. You have ‘done’ so much ‘work’ on yourself. I am a big fan of yours’ and we share VERY similar backgrounds, beliefs, histories and ‘stories’. I am so proud of you for letting Dick take you through some genuine IFS Parts’ work, under some less than ideal conditions/circumstances, mind you. 🙂 Rich - You continue to inspire and motivate me. We may never meet, Rich, but please know that in me, you have an ardent,!fiercely loyal supporter/fan, and that you’ve had and continue to have a very positive and profound impact on me. Too, I imagine I speak for countless others in this regard. Thanks for showing up authentically and vulnerably, Rich, and for simply just being you. You and the work you do are making a big difference in these crazy times and this crazy world in which we live. 🙂❤️🙏 Andrew.

[@doloresabernathy9809]

i saw psychiatrists and therapists almost ny whole adult life and after I was over 50 I found an IFS therapist - and its the best approach ive ever experienced. And i think it also happens to be true! thank you Dr. Schwartz !!

[@hantran5651]

It really helps me. I had a very abusive absent mother and anything breaks me easily. It's painful and this so makes me feel that I'm healing. Thank you 😊.

[@juliewebster3049]

This was fascinating. I have done Focusing for a long time now and there are many similarities between the methods. I find that accessing the parts through the body is particularly powerful. Gendlin said that the resistance to Focusing from the Psychology community was because the method empowered the individual to heal themselves. This seems similar. Once you know the techniques, you can do it when ever something arises. Focusing also teaches how to support others and I can see this would also work here. As Dr Schwartz mentioned when speaking about he and his wife, too people who have practiced themselves can also support each other, no therapist needed. Focusing differs in the what is the new role in this practice is a gift that is returned to the authentic self. The part, when healed, simply merges with the self as you become more whole. Thank you Mr Roll for modeling the practice and being vulnerable.

[@Sunlightsam24]

Exactly right, and personal growth is lifelong. Dr Schwartz connects with his parts every day and I’m sure during the day as things come up

[@peacefulisland67]

We might remember that Bill W (an AA founder) wanted to continue exploring more deeply with a variety of therapies but was held back in a very fearful, co-dependent way by AA at large. A great number of members had convinced him they couldn't continue without his close involvement and sticking with what was working. AA is brilliant in getting those ready who want to recover, with community, understanding and love. That's just the foundation of the new potentials. Like being born. Then comes the hard work of getting to know the knotted up and abandoned self; developing and releasing natural love and knowing one's place in everything. Love these podcasts. 🙏🙏🙏

[@jkc9615]

Healing one in community, showing ways to move and integrate more parts of ourselves. Grateful for this episode, these luminary souls in action. Thank you Rich and thank you Dr. Schwartz.

[@amydecker9049]

As a Licensed Therapist and Personal Growth Coach, I am grateful for the healing power of IFS. I have been fortunate to experience and witness the profound shift when we are able to be curious and compassionate toward every part of ourselves. Thank you both for this inspiring conversation.

[@patriciagriffin1505]

I’d have to see this about sociopaths to believe it as they have absolutely no self awareness I have great respect for this doctor and this therapy

[@yohan9747]

Thanks Rich. The therapy part was so educational. When you are vulnerable you help us so much.

[@krisguffey]

Rich, I’ve been listening to you since the beginning. The session near the end with Dr. Schwartz was powerful. It took me right back to what drew me to you in the first place … your book, intense vulnerability. Thank you for what you do brother.

[@bibisharbm]

The firefighter shift- understanding what it did was not to harm but its way of protecting you. Wow,!

[@augustinedandrea9139]

Rich you are doing so much for us in this podcast. You are enough, we love you…

[@heathera2874]

Buddhism teaches a detachment from self based on an unrealistic ideal; without a concrete methodology to do so. Buddhism in short is escapism....imo, ignoring the self and as alluded by R.R. interpretation; is not teaching an accurate depiction of what the (psychological) self ACTUALLY is. Dr. Schwartz has a solid grasp on this reality. Before learning of his technique, this is the methodology that I've yet seen that most closely describes the mind mapping of my own inner healing over the last few decades. All Glory to God for gently guiding me through. Richard and his work were made for such a time as this... Second, I had a therapist friend many years ago who saw her clients as having "personality" dynamics. There is a truly dark side to labeling people with permanent/semipermanent mental diseases.

[@goodnatureart]

Rich: would be fun to see you and Dick offer a retreat together. Love Scwhartz work helping people relax, realize we contain multitudes.

[@tessallations378]

❤ i wish they had done the exercise nearer to the beginning, as it really helped rick relax a bit.

[@YugiohArizona]

We need a second episode with Dick! This was lovely

[@donaquixote]

I am a 12 step recovering person. I think there is a parallel between the "firefighters" and what we call the "character defects". We address the defects by exposing them in the 5th step and we learn to understand them and work with them doing a daily reprieve with our 10th step. We recognize that there are good things in the "character defects" that we have, that they are parts of our psyche that can work in positive aspects in our lives. I think there is some similarity here with IFS in embracing these parts of ourselves.

[@fatsharks]

He really needs to also give credit to Dr. Jeffrey Young, the creator of Schema Therapy, which IFS heavily borrows from!

[@bibisharbm]

@ 1:01:38- Step Four does trigger people, often causing their relapse, so I understand that an aggressive approach to that denial part can be dangerous. Thank you, Dr. Shwartz!

[@rosedr_vv]

Thank you, Rich. The work you do and continue to do has secured your legacy to be honored and remembered for generations. Keep inspiring.

[@AmyFreeman-mw9gq]

Thank you Rich❤. Been doing alot of inner work with the help of your conversations for a long time now. This one however felt like the culmination of all of it!!. Bought the book and taking in all the wonderful Dr has to say. Can't tell you how much clarity this has brought me. Thanks for all you do xx

[@susansmiles2630]

I have been a Clinical Hypnotherapist for 35 years and I learned this technique in my earliest training. Richard Bandler, one of the founders of NLP (which is based in hypnosis), called it 'Parts Therapy'. But I was first introduced to it when I did Primal Therapy with Arthur Janov when I was 23 years old. It is extremely effective, to be sure, but it certainly isn't new. It is wonderful, though, that it is being 're-discovered' 50 years later, and hopefully, to a much larger audience because the human race is still in great need of healing its Inner Soul. Thank you so much, Rich, for continuing to educate the public with such relevant, compelling content! I just LOVE your energy!

[@kelseyloushin1343]

Thank you Rich for bringing this important experience and sharing your journey with us. This gives us hope our own healing. This was an exceptionally beneficial show for me. Keep doing your work!

[@FreedomandMagic]

Thank you Rich! You are amazing! Take care of that beautiful 15 year old💖💖💖 love from Mexico 🇲🇽

[@chime-girl]

I found that ACA; adult child of alcoholic and dysfunctional families goes very well with IFS parts and inner child work is a different 12 step program than AA or Al-Anon. ACA focuses on your childhood very different than the rest of the 12 steps. Just my two cents. Was luckily to find a therapist who was IFS, EMDR and SE trained. It was life changing along with ACA.

[@along9971]

Such an interesting interview, hats off to Rich for letting himself be part of this,

[@HayliWatts]

I've just begun my IFS journey and I'm incredibly grateful to have watched this unfold for you. Thank you for sharing this and for being vulnerable in this way. I'm so hopeful for what IFS can do for me and others who are suffering. ❤

[@ZoeValgrey]

I began therapy with a therapist trained in IFS over a decade ago for CPTSD and OCD, and the techniques I have learned have changed my life. IFS has made the exhausting mountain that is healing long-term childhood trauma much easier and more pleasant to climb. I would recommend it to literally anyone, even if you don't think your problems are "bad enough" to need it. Everyone can benefit.

[@TheNora_]

I see parallels between Teal Swan's "deal with resistance first" and "parts work". The Geist of this type of internal family systems therapy has many parallels with "parts work" getting to intimately know, see and appreciate our internal parts and integrating them into a being where all parts are pulling in the same direction and work as a team/functional family. Also Teal Swan says the same thing: there is no self-sabotage, it's only parts who are stuck in time believing they are helping the self... they are unseen and misunderstood.

[@KS-us9cb]

IFS is so brilliant It is life changing ❤❤❤❤

[@maddi3582]

This was an incredible episode. Rich questions Dr Schwarz intensely about IFS and his answers, as a result, provide an excellent description of the system and process. And then seeing Rich experience the process, this was profoundly touching, emotional and highly relatable. IFS heals and gives you such strength and courage because, although you're guided, ultimately you do the 'work' yourself. Thank you 🙏❤️

[@SteveSilverActor]

It was deeply moving seeing Rich allow himself to be vulnerable and open as he was in this interview. I have great respect for him having the courage to do that.

[@ellenkallioinen7754]

Huge admiration for you Rich. I’m in awe of your courage to be vulnerable in addressing the parts of you that are in need of unconditional love an respect. Good on ya!!