Multiverse of Madness: HOW 838 Doctor Strange FAKED HIS DEATH Explained!

Doctor Strange of Earth 838 did not die in Multiverse of Madness. Here's how he TRICKED the Illuminati on Titan. Video Sponsored by Ridge Wallet. Check them out here: ridge.com/newrockstars Use Code “NEWROCKSTARS” for 15% off your order.
838 Illuminati Doctor Strange faked his death on the planet of Titan in Doctor Strange the Multiverse of Madness. A hidden clue on vanos's arm holds the key to how 838 Doctor Strange will return in Doctor Strange 3. MasterTainment explains! #DoctorStrange3 #MultiverseOfMadness #MCU
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[@guynamedbob8374]

What’s scary about this version of Doctor Strange is the fact that he doesn’t have a beard.

[@ant-man9018]

Just noticed lol. Strange.

[@Hydrargiros]

Is my favourite one. I can't grow a proper beard, so this is the only one I can cosplay XD

[@kernel2190]

I thought he was another actor at first because he looks so strange compare to other Strange

[@crazzzzydood]

Ahhhh, the ok “evil twin inverse facial hair” trope. A classic.

[@easartor]

Accurate 😂

[@HeWhoSlayethCain]

Oh. And perhaps it's not Vision who has the Mind Stone, but a perfected Ultron that didn't go all Skynet.

[@raymarshall7779]

Perfect ultron would take over the u inverse...vision has the stone that's how he became vision...

[@HeWhoSlayethCain]

@@raymarshall7779 Ultron and Vision are both results of the Mind Stone. The Ultron AI was created by Stark and Banner, but completed by the intelligence in the Mind Stone, Vision is a result of the arvis AI merging with the Mind Stone. The Vision is Ultron's perfect body, with the Mind Stone's Intellegience merged with Jarvis. The only difference between Vision and Ultron is the AI that completes their mind.

[@KaijuKingTheRisen]

These Ultron have more yellow then red, possibly the mind stone powers all the Ultron bots of 838?

[@KatmeisterCNV]

I was under the impression that Dr. Strange only managed to make a time loop in the dark dimension because there was no concept of time there. Also there is no evidence that vision exists in the 838 universe. The way I see it the mind stone is used to power Ultron in that universe, also reinforced by their yellow lights, the same way the space stone might have been used to power Mr. Fantastic's portal.

[@ant-man9018]

Same. I thought Strange can use the time stone in the Dark Dimension any way he can cause there will be no disruptions to the timeline with it being timeless.

[@olivertangr]

That WAS a time loop. This is years after encountering Dormamu so Strange would've become better att manipulating the stone. He probably discovered some ability that doesn't affect the rest of the environment but only him. Also take into consideration that he was corrupted by the dark hold, maybe the *dark* hold is also able to manipulate *time* like the *dark* dimension. Being corrupted by the dark hold also means he'd be bold enough to put the entire reality at stake by inappropriately using the time stone for his own good.

[@deepakranga2207]

Nah! Think there is place where time itself don't exit. Somebody come there and was able to make time Loop. Dormammu accept defeat coz dr. Introduce time to him and bind him in time loop and only way to end is to accept defeat. So I guess It help. Time stone has bunch of time related powers not explored in MCU movies.

[@AChi__]

And also, against Dormammu, each time Dr Strange returned, he returned to where he was killed. So, 838's Dr Strange would've returned while the 838's Illuminati was still there on Titan, and they would've had to simply just kill him again.

[@echo_z319]

the time stone is able to create loops anywhere goofy. its the time stone for a reason also how is the mind stone relevant lol

[@rillegas08backup]

You lost me when you started talking about Clea. Clea is Dormammu's niece, so if Dormammu is merely a variant of Dr. Strange, then Steven and Clea's relationship and eventual marriage becomes very questionable.

[@doctorpain9369]

Loki shagged Sylvie, most probably his own varient.

[@ujan-pd6tz]

captain america

[@johnnybravo8050]

hawkeye

[@ShownSolid]

Or they just dont have a relationship?

[@TheBonelessBanana]

Disney

[@kevinz3905]

Also an option, Strange can create illusions of himself, and Reed is holding what looks to be Strange's cape in that scene. A blue cape, that could have been used to patch up our good Doctor's cape...

[@steveglover6411]

It definitely was👍

[@aditisk99]

Oh my God, yes!

[@straider2009]

damn !

[@EY199531]

That's literally what happened...

[@coms1186]

Cloke not Cape. Just saying. Strange has mentioned that before...

[@dustrahne]

I don't think the 838 Strange had the Time Stone to begin with. He doesn't wear the eye or he could have done the same as 616 and looked at possible outcomes. Having the mutants and the FF in 838 would have changed everything. All the stones could have been held in totally different places than the 616 universe.

[@redswasted8624]

I was going to make a similar comment. There's also the possibility there is no Vision in the 838 universe given we have the ultron bots. Even if 838 Strange did have the time stone, there's nothing to suggest it was even on Titan with him.

[@steveglover6411]

Sorry, my grammar police mind must offer this. From ≠ than You do raise very important points here. 👍

[@SoChoLot.]

Geez mang, have an open mind! Or at least an open third eye mmmmmmkay 😂😂😂

[@NMEONES]

The way I see it is… If 838 Strange had the time stone, he wouldn’t of needed to turn to the dark hold to find out how to kill thanos

[@sovietguardian]

He might have used the Darkhold to create an illusion of himself being executed (while giggling just around the corner)

[@Mizinstuf]

Anybody noticed when Reed Richards quoted 838 Doctor Strange said "things just got out of hands"? In the first trailer of the movie, the one who said that line was Sinister Strange. Perhaps there's a connection between the two? Could it be 838 Doctor Strange transfered his consciousness to Sinister Strange with his 3rd eye? 🤔

[@jc2king384]

The two Stranges said the same thing because the incursion 838 Strange caused was with Sinister Stranges' universe hence Sinster Stranges' bitterness and devotion to killing his other versions

[@dellcharles5750]

Lol third eye...

[@twodumbgamers9285]

@@dellcharles5750 you know, we all technically have a 3rd eye. The penial gland has its own cones and rods and it sits almost in the center of our brains. Also that same gland secretes small amounts of DMT while you sleep which gives us our dreams and is what "awakes" when you try any psychedelics. So you may laugh but you are laughing at one of the most important glands in our body. Just food for thought

[@gerikajenkins8515]

@@dellcharles5750 🤦‍♂️🤣🤣

[@sujeeshr3740]

Illuminati trapped him

[@AlexGamer-tw5bz]

I think there's a huge prolem with this which is that when Dr. Strange used the time stone against Dormamu, BOTH of them went back in time. Using the time stone after being blasted away in this case would have almost certainly just brought everyone back to Titan to see Strange sitting there again

[@user-notauser]

When he reversed the apple in Dr.Strange 1, I believe only the apple went back in time? So I guess it's possible.

[@elmerdeleeuw1569]

@@user-notauser It was, but then again, at that moment Strange was the external force in the whole deal. With this, he's the apple, so to speak.

[@brandonleeiacocca6640]

This and the fact that when strange caused the time loop...he had to have had the time stone on him and it being active

[@zaialg4074]

Strange resurrected Wong using Time stone, it only affected Wong

[@Tom-oz7wk]

The dark dimension doesn't have time which is why strange used it as a weapon against dormammu. But because earth has its own flow of time (thanks to the time stone) it's possible strange could use it in such a way that time keeps moving forward but he can manipulate his own timeline independently

[@jesseturner9865]

It's just odd they left the stones on Thanos. First thing that should have been done, regardless of the death certificate, is to take all his weapons away.

[@venturous3057]

Or they should have gone for the head

[@shadowscp1391]

It's because they all knew that Illuminati Doctor Strange Is far more dangerous

[@charlescarr3596]

okay hear me out … what if thanos of that universe is still live? remember when thor threw his hammer in the middle of thanos chest and it didn’t kill him? notice how they “killed” thanos by stabbing him in his chest? idk i just think marvel studios could be setting us up

[@geofrmda4]

@@charlescarr3596 thanos did the snap when Thor had his hammer in his chest

[@folieadeux147]

Eh they could make Dormammu a Strange variant, but I think it would be pretty criminal to make him a former human instead of an otherdimensional being made of pure energy like he’s supposed today. Also the Dark Dimension is another plane of existence so closer to the shit we saw in Moon Knight than Multiverse of Madness. It’s not a “super different Earth” but another plane superimposed on top of 616 Earth. I also like the idea of 838 Strange being alive in a similar way to how Classic Loki survived. But not when it leads to him somehow becoming Dormammu - a being that was completely unfamiliar with the concept of time until Strange introduced it to him.

[@saphari22]

Making Dormammu a Strange Variant would be problematic, considering Clea is his niece and also the future wife of Dr. Strange...Best not open that can of worms; we don't want what happened to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in the Ultimates. Seriously, why did Marvel give us that. 🤢🤮

[@even_steven777]

@@saphari22 Need I remind you Loki smashed his variant lol

[@saphari22]

@@even_steven777 Loki/Sylvie self-love is one thing; Strange being a Dormammu variant would mean that he and Clea are in the same family tree and I doubt that's a branch Marvel wants to perch on.

[@aditisk99]

@@even_steven777 Not yet, atleast on screen.

[@tonyd150]

I doubt dormomu is a variant of Dr Strange but what I do think could happen is we get introduced to the version of strange that is mixed with dormomu. This is a cannon character and also very powerful so it would make sense to bring him in as a DS villain.

[@suyogghosh9132]

we're also forgetting the fact that since all the darkhold books are destroyed, the only copies are in the minds of our Strange and the 838 Strange since they have photographic memory as revealed by Strange himself in the first part.

[@spaceycadet2365]

is there any evidence that 838 strange ever had the timestone? All the infinty stones couldve been in completely different places in 838

[@jez6952]

he was the master of magic. he had the book of vishanti. in reality he could have used it to ask for another time stone if he wanted to.

[@jonathandaniels6062]

Can we talk about what happened to the infinity stones after 838 Thanos was killed?! Are they on Titan or what?!?

[@Hazey-_-]

Interesting theory..I think strange and mordo were friends in this universe and strange didn’t use the time stone due to mordo’s views of using it..they were able to beat thanos so there was no need to give the time stone over to him..he probably searched for ways to win and that was his 1 way to win was with the dark hold..that way the blip wouldn’t happen

[@LadyDelSangue87]

and our strange saw that too and knew that the dark hold would corrupt him, so the one and only way really was to let the blip happen. I think what's going to happen now is that we will start to see all the other ways it could have happened and that our way, really was the right way despite the blip.

[@Zetsuke4]

No they're not they're pretend friends but mordo would throw strange under the bus

[@AkatsukiToes]

If you look closely. He particled himself away. You can see the dust that they use to use spells and go through portals to go to a different place

[@thomasarmstrong9212]

I doubt dormammu is doctor strange as Clea is most likely his love interest, and they would also be related

[@Ajay-pj2hv]

Multiverse of Alabama

[@denizatli4140]

The thing is Dormammu being a Doctor Strange variant is very unlikely since in the first Doctor Strange movie when Strange used the time stone for loop, Dormammu was visibly confused against the consept of time and Strange explained him that he brought "the time" from his dimension.

[@sneakernickel]

Mordo had the time stone and rewound all their asses after Wanda left.

[@aditisk99]

Hopefully he did.

[@sovietguardian]

I doubt that. This Mordo resembles much of the one from the MCU which opposes the idea of interference with the natural law.

[@shadowjr2000]

but if you think back to the first encounter with dormmamu, Original Strange used the time stone to create the loop. If dormmamu was Dr strange 838, why would he not recognize the time stone that original strange used? He says, What is this? Illusion? after the 2nd loop

[@UnknownRambler_46]

Now waiting for Doctor Strange 3

[@schuylermenezes4193]

another 6 years

[@sajinao1221]

@@schuylermenezes4193 nah this might drp little early

[@maliktheking25]

Doctor Strange 3: Third Eye

[@llovvorn1]

The only reason strange was able to keep dormammu locked in the time loop was because time doesn't exist in the dark dimension 🤦 go rewatch strange 1

[@ant-man9018]

Right?! That movie literally said "beyond time" over and over lol. I swear.

[@samw7073]

I'm confused, what causes incursions? Dr stranges or dreamwalking? On one hand we have what they called the biggest threat to the universe - Dr. Strange On the other they said incursion was caused by dreamwalking, if that's the case they didn't worry about wanda and persistent in putting mcu strange on trial

[@OscarASevilla]

any messing with time or other universes can cause incursions.

[@aditisk99]

Yes because 838 Strange dreamwalked. So they thought all Stranges would do that. It's dreamwalking that causes incursions with probably other time/ reality manipulations.

[@samw7073]

@@aditisk99 But the illuminatis were unfazed that wanda is dreamwalking, they only wanted to prosecute strange

[@edwinbejaranoramirez6111]

I’m still curious about what happened to the Avengers the Fantastic 4 the X-Men and other heroes during their own Infinity War with Thanos in their universe

[@leogoga5832]

probably fought on titan and wakanda but only the illuminati remained in titan to execute strange

[@richborba4597]

They were imprisoned by a gang of rouge lawyers wielding the power of Copyright Infringement. They were able to break free just minutes before the blip that returned everyone.

[@Esseeekxboi]

@@leogoga5832 good point

[@heroeus8173]

Multiverse plot bring a lot of potential

[@MirageUchiha]

It's strange 838 Stephen isn't talked about more. He was one of the most interesting characters IMO. I wanted to kno a lot more.

[@aditisk99]

I would love to see a what if episode of the events happened on Titan with more details.

[@mykindaxman]

And remember this is a projection of what professor Xavier is showing him.

[@erikfinkel2717]

Even if not originally considered in the grand Kevin Feige plan it'd be a great retcon to bring him back.

[@gameshifter7258]

If dr strange is dormamu, and clea is dormamu’s niece, and clea is a love interest for dr strange from the comics, then that means….Dr Strange 3: Sweet Home Alabama.

[@ramihajyounesmontoya5194]

I wonder if how much of the fingertips are blackened by the Darkhold has any meaning. 838 Strange's fingertips are only minimally blackened yet he managed to cause an incursion. Maybe all Doctor Stranges are inherently more capable of turning dark than others like, say, Agatha.

[@Soliyah]

So dormammu might be a variant of a corrupted 838 strange?

[@Bas-TB]

Aren’t all version of each other’s variant?

[@kangtheconqueror9545]

Let's be honest, his costume was way to good to bring him back. That all blue is ridiculously 🔥

[@sovietguardian]

Yeah, incredibly perfect outfit!

[@CMMD564]

How would he have used the stone in a time loop and break it without dying and without them literally catching him in the act??

[@DanFree7]

copy that

[@aditisk99]

He could've set it to a few months later from that time.

[@DanFree7]

@@aditisk99 mh yeah thats right

[@kazuha74]

I doubt it tbh it's more likely Mordo had it by then as the eye was with him in the movie (or they were working together) also meaning the aluminati are possibly rewound before Wanda axed them.

[@thanos3746]

I'm Glad that thanos succeeded on Earth 🌎 616 All Thanks to Starlord Quill

[@blackpajamas6600]

Thanos was right!

[@omkarvedpathak1696]

As per Eternal Thanos is robot to increase population on planet. So Celestial can born.

[@Soiree-Valentine]

Hmm, taken over by the darkness... You know who is *super old, (*the beginning of the universe old ) is said to be darkness itself and happens to have their symbol being sported by 838 Strange as chest armor, and ya know, maybe even the Scarlet Witch's tiara? ( if you squint! ) KNULL! Knuuuuuuuuullll! Knnnuuuuuuuuuulllll! MCU Knull might be a great Thanos-level baddie for 616 Strange, Spider-men, Venom, Thor, a Netflix Defenders reunion helping to keep NY safe from the Knull forces attacking. Off-topic, but I would love to see in Secret Invasion that Netflix Danny Rand was a Skrul! Skruuuuuull, Skkkrrrruuuuuuuuuulllll!

[@Dev0idoflight]

Knull is coming BABY!!! we aren’t ready

[@Devakiinable]

@@Dev0idoflight I think Knull is dead, killed by the God Rapu, before he is killed by Gorr with the sword

[@Delta9Church]

You just described the most amazing idea for a cold open; a desolate titan, quiet as the camera pans and just as you register Thanos is there, strange starts pulling back together. God I hope you are right.

[@charleslee8313]

I was with you, until that Dormammu part.

[@deadpool1627]

But in dr. Strange when he used the time stone to bargain with dormamu he was in a time loop with him.. so if the 838 universe strange does the same then it should be time loop too...

[@aditisk99]

May be he can use it for time only to bring something back if he wants to.

[@MSZWhisper]

Nah, he was practicing with an apple before that so it's safe to say it's controlled.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

This is the kind of speculation and analysis that I love, keep it coming.

[@BrokenSoul79x]

I think you're right about him using the time stone, I think that was him dreamwalking into 616 strange, not heartless/sinister strange

[@delmarfrazier2727]

Just let it go! 1. Professor X👨‍🏫 would have read his mind! 2. He made a Bargain with the time stone twice and we don’t see a Tony Stark in this Universe so why would he hide 🫣the Time Stone? Should’ve just gone with Nightmare and it would’ve been a classic!

[@simobeats]

Wouldn't Professor X be able to read Strange's mind and know his plan though?

[@yessirwdp]

exactly

[@kevinz3905]

Strange can likely cast wards to protect his mind.

[@kushthepharaoh]

that low-key makes sense and it's crazy to think how much cathon trying to come out or who ever communicating thru the dark hold because first it was strange before thanos didn't work so In another universe after thanos it goes to some one else

[@chapter1564]

Well, if he reversed time the illuminati would get pissed and keep killing him, or take the time stone away when 838strange reverses time.

[@FromagioCristiano]

The time stone can definitely reverse time "at a spot" since we see this happening when Wanda destroy Vision's stone and then Thanos "undo" just the explosion while walking towards it (it could also be possible because it was paired with the reality stone in the gauntlet but we just see the time stone glowing/active on the scene)

[@nwogucaleb7720]

How are they gonna be able to "take" the time stone away? Ebony Maw and Thanos both couldn't manage that in the main timeline so even if(and that's a big if) they were to see him return, I don't see them being able to get that stone.

[@chapter1564]

@@nwogucaleb7720 they could force him to give it up

[@chapter1564]

@@FromagioCristiano true

[@aditisk99]

So he would set it long after they have gone from Titan.

[@Ali-bu6lo]

Rule number one of Multiversal travel: You don't know anything. How we even know the time stone of this universe is with the order of Kamar-Taj and their Doctor Strange?

[@ldyschk2]

Might the 838 Dr. Strange become Nightmare? He is being corrupted through dreamwalking, and the MCU established that dreams actually connect you to your variants. Maybe Strange figured out how to get into other people's dreams too.

[@KidCigano]

I love that crest or symbol that 838 doctor strange has on his chest

[@blackpajamas6600]

I did too! Kind of a "Mystic Punisher" emblem, lol.

[@austinmatteo4652]

That doesn't make sense cause when he did the time loop in dr strange 1 everything was put into a time loop not just him so why wouldn't everything be time looped in this case?

[@lifewithmace2338]

factss

[@JPVersus_]

I think, at the end of MoM, it was 838 Strange that dreamwalked into 616 Strange.

[@maliktheking25]

For Real?

[@tramainewhite3276]

If the reality stone was missing then I'd believe you more but the time stone still creates a fixed loop. He wouldn't be able to skip over him being dead and Prof just walk away thinking he's gone. Idk bruh

[@chrishockman83]

I'm curious why they stabbed Thanos when BB could just obliterate him

[@aditisk99]

I think it was just Strange fighting him alone until at the end they came.

[@hussainkanpurwala7573]

Damn. Unbelievably amazing RT👏🏻👏🏻. I truly believe 838 strange is alive

[@jamesrosengrant8675]

So the idea of dormamu being an evil strange is cool, but the biggest problem with that is if they keep Clea being dormamu's neice than suddenly clea and strange getting together is very weird

[@robertmark8719]

Dormanu was shocked about the time loop when strange used it against him. Meaning it can't be strange?

[@bosoxno201]

Couldn't Xavier read strange's mind to determine if he had a plan to conquer death? I mean, the dark hold corrupts, and they know that. Wouldn't that be all the motivation needed for him to enter strange's mind?

[@bravothedog001]

I noticed the missing stone and I was like, hell the next Doctor Strange movies going to be bad ass

[@n.henzler50]

"Stephen Strange, you stand accused of causing an incursion. What do you have to say for yourself?" "Illuminati, I've come to plea bargain."

[@archity1242]

Dr. Strange be like "Heyyyyy I'm here for the interview"

[@jeremyclark144]

So are we gonna just ignore that fact that Stephen with a P is rocking a King of the Symbiote shirt Lmaoo KNULL LIVES!!

[@thelightwielder]

incredible alliteration as always

[@rajeshmithun9455]

Dormammu as a variant of Dr. Strange would be a great reveal

[@afnanbogey]

If 838-Strange was laying low, he would’ve been unable to resist retrieving the Darkhold again from Mordo. That alone might rule that possibility out. On the flipside, if 838-Strange IS around, he no longer has a Darkhold to succumb to so maybe that’ll draw him out of the woodwork.

[@Kenisama]

If a Strange variant turns out to be Dormammu, and Clea is Dormammu's niece... does that mean things will get spicy during the next dark dimension's family reunion after Clea and Strange hookup?

[@tawana3467]

Dormammu isn’t a Strange variant💀

[@Kenisama]

@@tawana3467 tell me you didn't watch the video, without telling me you didn't watch the video..... 6:04

[@housman44]

My mind is officially blown...I don't agree with the Dormammu thing, but the fact that he is still alive would be a pretty epic twist.

[@nealjohnson3970]

"A dark pawn of it's pareless pages." Brilliant!

[@SteamPunk76]

We dont know if 838 Dr. Srange even had the time stone though, because In strange 1 it take about a few second for the loop to rewind. I'm pretty sure that they would have chilled on titan mourning the death of their friend instead of just leaving.

[@randyramnarine]

1 problem: Professor x can read minds, and would probably sniff out his plan a mile a way

[@alarcon99]

But isn’t CIia related to Dormamu? So Strange and Clia are related? Aren’t they in a relationship in the comics?

[@LifeIsPain878]

Clea is Strange's wife in comics and niece of Dormamu if I remember correctly

[@dahliazaylinsage]

Thanks and safety to ya all as always!!

[@chubalongchar71]

If 2 Thanos(es) meet in the same universe and both snap, I wonder what would happen.

[@leogoga5832]

the universe takes a screenshot

[@shannonmoore7906]

2 universes feeling the wrath

[@cpu278]

didn't What If establish that stones are useful only on their own universes?

[@chubalongchar71]

@@cpu278 but Powers derived from the stones can be somehow channeled and used in another universe??

[@NoelRidzal]

So, basically, Clea is telling Dr. Strange, 'Physician, heal thyself'? Well, between that and the turning water to wine...

[@lukehusky3630]

So Dr. Strange is going to sleep with his daughter?

[@SKRicochet]

Niece

[@bteeling5410]

Interesting; assuming 838 Doctor Strange had the Time stone to begin with?

[@RaviBMaharaj]

um... if Doctor Strange 838 is Dormammu then it makes no sense that he wouldn't know about the time loop when 616 Strange uses it to make their bargain

[@joewyatt2269]

I don't know about the Dormammu piece, but I could see 838 Strange still being alive. Perhaps he's the third eye that we see in Sinister Strange and then jumps to 616 Strange at the end of MOM.

[@machr01]

Thats what i think too

[@aditisk99]

Can he dreamwalk even after being dead?

[@neillobo5057]

It sounds conceptually, but realistically, Feige has said on record that they are done with Infinity stones and they won't be used as a Mcguffin again.

[@jonnelponesto813]

But what if, Illuminati or Prof. Xavier also had the Time stone? Knowing Dr. Strange will use it in time loop.

[@Killryno666]

It also stands to reason if our Doc used the time stone to foresee every possible way to defeat thanos and their own demise, 818 would have been able to to do the same and thwart his own execution.

[@dawndouville206]

Totally plausible! Great catch.

[@SuidicalRaccoon]

2:21 vision doesnt exist in this universe because we see Tony's plan to make ultron didnt backfire, so vision would not have been needed and thus doesnt exist, meaning the mind stone is still in shield possesion or locked away by the illuminati

[@PranavBhattad]

Yeah we can see that Darkhold can corrupt you, for example our 616 Dr Strange is I guess kinda corrupted if you watched the Mid-Credits scene of MoM.

[@codyethan5370]

When all your most powerful enemies is different versions of yourself...

[@drakehilligoss7568]

We were called nerd babies so many times this episode thank youuuuuuuuu

[@ayushsathe6669]

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[@kieran10202]

I'm not convinced by the idea that Dormammu is a variant of strange. I instead think that DS3 will involve Clea and Strange going to a dying universe to find its Time Stone. They could use the Time Stone to rewind the universe back to the moment the incursion happened, and then the dark dimension can absorb the incursion point, thus safely storing it where there is no time. Meanwhile, mordo and the sorcerers become convinced Strange is making a horrible mistake and turn on him, while demonic forces stealthily encourage them, as they feed on collapsing universes.

[@reiwashington1399]

I just feel like the infinity stones are done and gone, we have had no real mention or sighting of them since Loki episode 1, and they were null and obsolete, I think that was a message from Marvel saying "yeah, we pretty much done with these"

[@andrewgarcia3486]

Even though the Scarlet Witch destroyed all the dark holds in all the multiverses he still has a photographic memory so that evil is still out there

[@Bigjron]

If they succeeded with the ultron bots would there even be a need for vision in the 838 universe

[@TheGr8tPlays]

Since this has been said now what really could happen is the Evil Strange that died in his incursion could dreamwalk from wherever he is into the 838 Strange if hes still alive and that would be carnage waiting to happen in Secret Wars

[@Towabear]

1:13 kind of interesting, the 616 Strange does something similar with the Former Defender Strange, now Zombie Strange. to save America Chavez

[@gladiatorking6897]

Yeah the Darkhold is pretty much the villain Nightmare possessing anyone who touches it

[@SACarrow]

It would require a preset time loop, but there's nothing that says that the loop would have to be as tight as the original Dormammu one. Two hours later, Strange could reappear, dust himself off, and get more of that sweet, sweet Darkhold.

[@nikcade5406]

Ok but the problem with that is the thing that dr strange did with dormammu only works bc their in the dark dimension where time doesn’t exist if strange does it anywhere outside of the dark dimension everything would go back in time with him

[@kabundazimba4006]

Also worth noting is that strange was the only one hurt in the scene showing that he possibly fought thanos alone 🤔

[@kennethhall8461]

That Booker T reference was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kfelix9207]

If you pay attention..he needed two more stones when he reached Titan..he never left titan dealing with the alluminti...so that's why the two stones were not there...he didn't aquire them yet..

[@slickflick101]

What if 838 Mordo was really 616 Mordo who made a deal with Evil Strange?? He told 616 Strange that he knew that this was gonna happen because 838 Strange knew and then knew to not be around when Scarlet Witch embarrassed the 838 illuminati!!!

[@merok4291]

Why everyone say the Illuminati defeated Thanos no they didnt Strange DID they probably lied about them being involved it was Strange alone and than when he did the job they showed up to do strange dirty too. He is all beaten up and not evena bit of dirt on the other or a hair broken hair.

[@isaacharvey451]

Could the third Doctor Strange film feature Doctor Strange and all of his variants (however many there might end up being) battling Dormammu?

[@xd_Joliss]

Dormammu, we have come to bargain

[@sajinao1221]

@@xd_Joliss what is this time loop?

[@senittoaoflightning4404]

All variants sounds a bit stupid, as there is an infinite number of variants. And someof them might start existing through a strange shaving his beard differently.

[@aditisk99]

Yeah I would love to see more Strange variants.

[@stephanieandstephenvanzant6741]

Where would he have hidden the Time Stone?.. i dont know if Reed is holding the Time Stone and his cape or not.

[@noptraptor9364]

I'm pretty sure Professor X would have known if Dr Strange was trying to trick them. Mordo was involved so he would likely know of any magical spells placed and Mr Fantastic is smart enough to have thought of the possibility that he'd try to fool them. Pretty sure that 838 Strange is dead.

[@derrickgoode5434]

There's also the fact that he isn't the sorcerer supreme in every universe and the time stone has always been in the possession of the sorcerer supreme