Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness MISSING VISION Finally Explained!

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Where were Vision or White Vision during Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness? We finally have an explanation for their whereabouts! Erik Voss explains why Vision must exist in Marvel Universe 838, and where White Vision in Universe 616 went after WandaVision!
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[@NewRockstars]

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[@captaineri.223]

Meeting his clone moon knight.

[@captaineri.223]

Scarlet Scarab = witch

[@avi0895]

What happened to the Earth 🌎 838's infinity Stones 💎🟠❤️💚💜 ??????

[@bokgaming6645]

Lol! I was just thinking about where Vision was in MoM and then yt recommended me this 😂

[@ishaanupreti6438]

@@captaineri.223 Just hope Layla doesn't turn evil.

[@amf0078]

People should remember White Vision is the physical Body of the old Vision with his memories restored by Hex Vision but he did not retain the empathy and morals of the original Vision had. So technically you could say he remembers Wanda and everything but he simply doesn’t care or doesn’t know how to. It’s a good little arc to get him back to how he used to be that I think they are saving for Amour Wars. 👍🏼

[@lightdarksoul2097]

I think you're right and he doesn't know how to feel.

[@LOOGamala]

I think visions true power is his ability for self reflection and self awareness, which is actually the root of empathy. So I dont think white vision is an empathy free zone. He had some programming or orders, which he promptly disregarded once he was given all the information, and off he went to do important vision stuff.

[@amf0078]

@@LOOGamala I would say he’s very logical and makes his decisions based on the best logical way. But as he had more experiences and fell in love with Wanda he was becoming more human making mistakes like when he accidentally shot War Machine out the sky. White Vision is like that basically all logic and no emotion as of yet.

[@drogramadanjohnson1061]

They were intimately connected through the mind stone, so yeah, there's nothing there anymore lol

[@somethingfunny2199]

Yeah I don’t understand why people thought Vision would want to get involved. He immediately left to go find himself once his memories were returned to him instead returning to help Wanda

[@Eric-yt7fp]

I don't think Vision existed in 838. The existence of the Ultron sentries implies Ultron worked as intended, never went rogue and never created the Vision body. Instead, Ultron became the 'suit of armor around the world' Tony envisioned.

[@Levixwelch]

This!

[@TheBaBaTV]

Vision wouldn’t have been created in 838, since it looks like ultron was a success by stark not a evil failure !

[@Lisa_Flowers]

Exactly this! The conclusion Erik came to was a bit convoluted imo. It's much easier to assume the Ultron sentries exist because the Ultron programme went well and Tony did what he intended, or even that someone else created them, than it is to believe all the events of Age of Ultron had to have played out exactly for them to exist, even if its an entirely seperate universe.

[@jamiefrew2586]

100% agree

[@Hmmmmmmmmm....]

Perhaps not Stark but Richards

[@KMC706]

We cannot assume the events of Age of Ultron played out the same way in 838 as they did in 616 because we know 838 contains The Avengers, F4, The Inhumans, and The X-Men. Wanda and Vision could have completely different origins and fates in 838.

[@Xkingluis23]

Exactly

[@cayden.m3720]

They have ultron bots so ultron worked

[@tritonlockjaw284]

Earth 616 definitely has the Avengers, Inhumans, FF, and X-Men... Ohh you meant Earth 199999 aka the MCU?

[@perspectiveproductions5992]

@@tritonlockjaw284 the MCU is the cinematic 616 universe. They're dropping the 1999 designation

[@willpadilla9601]

Came here to say this. I know they need content, but Erik can't say "we know." Literally, anything else could have happened.

[@bluntbreak]

Alternate take: what if Vision doesn’t exist in 838 bc the Ultron sentry’s were created by either Mr.fantastic/Hank Pym?

[@kiroto7429]

That may be true, because Vision was a direct result of Ultron getting out of hand

[@blakebrown3888]

in the comics Hank Pym made ultron, and ultron build Vision as a weapon against the avengers iirc. So i think it's viable. Though it would be cool to see a later mini series about earth 838 where we actually get to see alternate avengers etc

[@ishaanupreti6438]

Well, they could still have been created by Tony Stark, and just work in the first try. The sentries might just be Tony's design in this universe.

[@damunaik4]

You're not implying the Twins are pieces of Mephisto's soul...right?

[@vedantpatel342]

Or even if Ultron was created by Tony Stark, maybe he was successful in the first attempt. So no bad Ultron, no Vision. Maybe the Illuminati keep the Mind Stone & rehabilitate Wanda. No problem!

[@Ricochetx16]

the ending to wandavision was still the most heartbreaking

[@ishaanupreti6438]

And then you have this.

[@summertyme5748]

@@ishaanupreti6438 WandaVision was so much better. MoM was really a let own cuz Raimi and Walrdon didn't watch WandaVision.

[@lessfriendlyJordies]

@@summertyme5748 which is absolutely insane, like, how can you let them make what is essentially a wandavision sequel as much as it is a dr strange one and not have them watch the material that directly influence it.

[@ishaanupreti6438]

@@JoshMathews17 Interview.

[@ishaanupreti6438]

Basically public confession of sins.

[@Thesleepytimes]

I like the idea that Wanda’s husband being a random person who just happens to look like Paul Bettany.

[@titaniumcommandrig]

That would be funny af

[@jamangel]

Lmao funny

[@jasonraggio1593]

Actor Paul Bethany, who never met Jennifer Connelly

[@Ghostface1998]

Honestly after MoM I’m really curious how Agatha House of Harkness will play out.

[@ishaanupreti6438]

Maybe, Wanda will appear ?

[@horrorgamer811]

It might Agatha being freed after Wanda died?

[@ockeano4056]

me too!

[@1klakak]

@@horrorgamer811 no body, possibly no death

[@hihuhuhi]

WHEN DOES THAT COME OUT AND WHEN

[@tristangreenlee2535]

I feel like Vision might not have been created in the 838 universe. What if Tony and Bruce ended up making Ultron and it didn't gain the sentience that it did in 616? What if the mind stone is still in Loki's scepter in 838 and all the Ultron sentries were created as they were intended?

[@turokandzelda]

That was how i enterpreted it. I assumed reed was able to make the sentries without creating ultron.

[@Mr713mexican]

But then since Thanos had the space stone it means he saw loki. Which also means loki had the scepter too.

[@chillywillie5743]

@@Mr713mexican assuming loki had either of those in the 838 universe?

[@Mr713mexican]

@@chillywillie5743 loki had to have it as loki is what brought the avengers together. This seems constant since it was brought up in what if as well as implied in 838 since captain carter is called an avenger.

[@Wolfstalker25]

I was going to comment this exact same thing I'm glad someone else thinks this too. I have a feeling that 838 Ultron was never evil and was always just a peace keeping program as intended. So if Ultron was never evil Vision would have never been made.

[@dellcoc]

Vision's memories up until his death were restored, but his feelings might have been tied to the Mind Stone. Vision is out being the protector that he was designed to be.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

I mean he may feel something for Wanda but even with the memories the feelings wouldn't naturally be all there so I can see him needing to learn more of himself and yeah being a hero while doing it.

[@Erik_Montesinos]

“You are part of the mindstone that lives in me” Wanda is definitely the final piece of the puzzle vision needs to be whole again

[@ishaanupreti6438]

@@Erik_Montesinos Just pull a Mind Stone out of another universe and then just plug it in the White Vision.

[@Erik_Montesinos]

@@ishaanupreti6438 lmao that works too

[@ishaanupreti6438]

@@Erik_Montesinos Yeah, till i t doesn't decay.

[@pvtparts90]

Vision is one of the coolest marvel characters of all time he should've had a part in this movie especially since wanda featured so heavily. Imagine him coldly explaining to doctor strange various universes and probabilities etc lol

[@huynhtrongnhan1999]

Then the audience would whine about the amount of expositions like they did with Eternals.

[@apple-de8tx]

Cooler now that it's confirmed he can change cock size at will! 😃

[@damunaik4]

I never knew Paul confirmed that Vision was capable of reproducing 😂 I'm so glad I follow this channel, I would've never found that article myself! Also I would've never noticed the missing mind stone in Thanos 838's gauntlet, let alone putting two and two together and thinking Vision is alive and lives a normal life with Wanda and the boys. Jeez do I love that character after Wandavision. Perfect husband material.

[@ishaanupreti6438]

I didn't even notice the dead Thanos in the first viewing.

[@memekingdom9684]

@@ishaanupreti6438 I did

[@ishaanupreti6438]

@@memekingdom9684 Congratulations, you have a sharper eye than me.

[@nigelhirth2181]

Much like Tash Yar found out about Data; Fully Functional and Anatomucally Correct.

[@supreme1572]

Paul only confirmed that Vision can have an erection, not that vision can make viable sperm cells.

[@kaseyarmstrong6511]

Age of Ultron is the marvel movie that continues to come up and one day, folks will respect it as a top-tier marvel movie.

[@pronobb8104]

Continuity has helped it age

[@Madara8989]

You can't retroactively make a bad movie good by constantly referencing it in newer films; just like a reboot or remake of an iconic franchise can't completely replace the original (because it can't erase the original from existence). If Age of Ultron (or Thor the Dark World) ever get elevated to being respected as "top-tier Marvel" it's because the rest of the franchise went to shit 30-40 movies in and it gets there by default of being better than 90% of what gets released. AoU will always be a mediocre film at best, regardless of how many kids who grew up watching it wax nostalgic about it as adults (like how the Star Wars prequels supposedly aren't crap anymore).

[@TooNonFiction]

Can’t wait to see vision and Wanda again. Loved doctor strange MOM it was one of my favorite marvel films

[@ishaanupreti6438]

How will Wanda be redeemed after such unspeakable evil and brutality ?

[@knuckles2494]

@@ishaanupreti6438 I don't know...

[@TooNonFiction]

@@ishaanupreti6438 I don’t know I’ve been thinking about it and I can’t come up with something 😭😭

[@SteveFromYoutube]

Lol doctor stranges mom

[@burnout3722]

Marvel Studios needs to give Wanda and Vision a movie!

[@stuccateur]

Or at least a season 2

[@dellcoc]

They just had more than a movie. Time to move on because there are way too many other Marvel folks that haven't had any screen time.

[@jamangel]

Yes

[@ishaanupreti6438]

I think Vision is done. But Wanda will continue. (Even though Wanda is dead and Vision is still alive.)

[@brianm3160]

@@dellcoc like who? Who is more interesting than the most powerful being in the MCU?

[@hanmetalworks]

i think erik's making a lot of assumptions that a lot of the events not shown on screen happened the same way they did in 616. i mean, they go on red ffs

[@joshuanichols278]

I agree. There is no reason to assume an age of Ultron event happened period in 838. It could have been something different entirely.

[@SPerani]

Just knowing that in 838 had mutants, it clear enough to know that EVERY thing went different from 616 timeline. Ultron, loki, thanos, dark elves, even hydra or bucky as winter soldier. Cap and wolverine in ww2, wanda's mutant past, or whatever interaction between avengers and mutants. The whole history of 838 is different of 616's, saying "vision is still alive" is just lame assumption

[@titaniumcommandrig]

@@SPerani we’ll Marvel themselves will never explicitly say exactly how things went down in 838 so everyone is giving their own thoughts on it

[@Gzilla313]

@@titaniumcommandrig hopefully we get to revisit 838 in What If season 2!

[@jayel1471]

Yep, totally agree. I fully believe Vision doesn't exist in 838

[@TheBetterGamer]

Consider this: at the end of DSMoM, we see Strange writhe in agony as his third eye opens. This implies that NO MATTER what you do, the darkhold will leave a lasting presence on the users. AKA, the darkhold itself isn't what's corrupting people, but rather the darkhold corrupts people with what it brings into them. Like think about how a snake can poison you. Even if you kill the snake and every snake in every universe ever; the poison is still there. That's how I view the darkhold.

[@shanilo576]

That's a good point

[@gaze5393]

That third eye is the eye of agamotto in the comics. Not sure if it was confirmed it's caused by the darkhold.

[@thepubknight6144]

@@gaze5393 that's true it's just a bright light that comes from his forehead aka spiritual third eye

[@jcurls90]

Maybe...just maybe, this hints at the idea of the darkhold grants awareness and capabilities that are inherently dark or forbidden. The user isn't necessarily evil, but the awarenesses makes it challenging for the user to remain virtuous. It's like trying to escape something that has a firm grip on them.

[@megaavonaco9954]

I took it as maybe the sinister strange that died probably transferred the eye he has to our strange or maybe our strange with his photographic memory has memorized pages of the dark hold, so part of it exists in his mind.

[@blacksonshine79]

We do not know that Vision existed in 838. Nothing in the movie leads us to believe that Ultron went off the rails and created a second body. There is no indication that the mind stone was ever removed from the scepter. In fact, the presence of Ultron sentries would seem to indicate that Vision was never created in 838.

[@titaniumcommandrig]

That’s only how it happened in the 616 there’s no law that says vision can’t exist if ultron worked

[@cyphlone3306]

Its a different universe, different story.

[@ked49]

@@titaniumcommandrig no that is the rule. Ultron’s code was to create sentrys he went rouge and created vision. As seen in 838 ultron didn’t want to evolve

[@titaniumcommandrig]

@@ked49 again, that only applied in the 616. Ultron is not the same in every universe

[@50BandG33K]

I am still holding out hope that the all white vision knows who Peter Parker is!!

[@artist0154]

Did Vision knows him in the first place?

[@ishaanupreti6438]

Who is that anyways ?

[@50BandG33K]

@@artist0154 I feel as though he did, he as full access to the Stark Industries database

[@kevthepoet]

@@50BandG33K sounds more like an unlikely reach the more you talk about it lol

[@crayolamowa]

Peter Parker who? 🤔 Hehe just kidding 😁

[@PCG06]

He's chilling and preparing his return or just died

[@stancinatti8198]

He ain’t dead

[@reese8388]

With the way the MCU Vision is treated I would go with dead

[@ishaanupreti6438]

He just keeps dying. Soon he will surpass Doctor Strange.

[@idontcareaboutyouropinion8494]

@@stancinatti8198 Lol ok mr know it all 💀💀

[@ishaanupreti6438]

@@idontcareaboutyouropinion8494 Ok, Mr. Know Nothing At All.

[@EEGmaghrabi]

Those lines between vision and wanda are so good. I hope they will meet again.

[@jordanottenbreit3892]

Couldn't the perfection of the Ultron Sentries mean there was no need for Vision then? That means that realities Loki septor still have the stone in it

[@ishaanupreti6438]

Or Wanda blew it up.

[@bmuzza]

Infinite possibilities. The mind stone could be up a goats ass on the moon in 838. The sentries, like you say, could have been made by anyone, stark, pym, banner, richards etc.

[@ishaanupreti6438]

@@bmuzza Or they may even have just spontaneously popped into existence.

[@cyphlone3306]

@@ishaanupreti6438 different universe, different story

[@thebatman4279]

Can anyone explain how it took Wanda's kids an obscene amount of time to acknowledge the huge star shaped hole RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM at the end of the film? Made me laugh.

[@ishaanupreti6438]

Maybe they are just used to seeing portals opening up in their advanced universe. Even the main timeline is weird enough that the bartender in Mexico had no surprise when Eddie disappeared. He was just concerned about his bill. What they were terrified of was an evil witch walking through the portal.

[@MrGenexxx]

They are very special kids.

[@vanne-necashionofbread9095]

@@ishaanupreti6438 these things are kinda dumb tho, even if its common, cool things are still cool and most people will stop by and admire it

[@ishaanupreti6438]

@@vanne-necashionofbread9095 Maybe that is why they just looked without saying anything for a few seconds.

[@despicablepenguin]

@@ishaanupreti6438 I mean what happens in the MCU I wouldn't be surprised that no one's surprised by anything anymore

[@brooksgunn5235]

I wanted Vision to use the Darkhold and tell Wanda to stop.

[@ohawwgeez3112]

Wouldn’t you have to be able to tap into some sort of magic.

[@brooksgunn5235]

@@ohawwgeez3112 Good question. It looks like an AI named AIDA used it in Agents of Shield to basically create a human body for herself. I guess you don't have to posses magic exactly, but you do probably have to have some higher level of conciousness or something.

[@Caffeinated_Firefly]

What if Ultron never became corrupted and they just mass-produced bots? their intended use was defense/security after all, I don't think they ever intended to have only ONE ultron

[@JesusEffingChrist602]

Well. Ultron created Vision technically, and since 838's Ultron clearly succeeded in becoming the "suit of armor around the world" instead of determining humans as a threat, he would never have created the Vision body with the intent of transferring into it, thus Vision was never born.

[@jsmendoz312]

One thing I never understood is 1) how did sword get in to Wakanda 2) Why would the avengers let Sword take Vision's body instead of keeping it at the compound

[@cosmicriptid]

I have often wondered this as well, but I assume keeping a corpse for five years in your house might seem odd. Maybe they hoped he could be ressurected

[@arboldesertico5790]

2) sokovia accords . 1) idk

[@larrydavis7689]

Department of damage control

[@jsmendoz312]

@@larrydavis7689 Damage control helps but still doesn't line up with history of wankanda. Wakanda opened up to help other nations but not to let others come in

[@ked49]

1 it was bairied out side of wakanda 2 they are criminals

[@joshuafuller1232]

Thank you for explaining this, definitely needed an answer.

[@Tomfoolery82]

White Vision looks badass. I wish he would've shown up in Dr. Strange 2.

[@RyanHaney55]

I'm not sure Vision ever existed in 838. If Ultron was invented to be a shield around Earth and never rebelled, then Vision wouldn't be created.

[@ishaanupreti6438]

Maybe it did rebel and was later fixed. Or maybe he didn't and was good, but just like the evil Ultron, wanted to become a person, with a living body, more human. So he made the body anyways, and the sentries do the different jobs like protecting the Illuminati headquarters. So maybe, in 838, Ultron is Wanda's husband.

[@xlander1494]

while rather unlikely, mordo could use the time stone to ressurect the illuminati the way strange did in his original movie, relieving 838 wanda of the blame whilst also setting up secret wars with the illuminati back

[@titaniumcommandrig]

Yea definitely there’s a lot of questions this universe left us but unfortunately I don’t think we’re coming back to it

[@ked49]

Mordu doesn’t have the time stone

[@strigijoe8685]

We never see vision in the movie or anything, I’m guessing Ultron never went rogue in 838 so Vision never had to exist, you don’t give any proof that Vision ever existed in 838, and I don’t think he ever did.

[@ked49]

I think Wanda hooked up with Ralph

[@brendaramirez8283]

I was left wondering if in 838 the kids have powers. They don’t use any in that final scene where they could have. Also their age jumps as in Wandavision. Wouldn’t they be younger if that was the case? So many questions! But I love these movies because of that :)

[@lightdarksoul2097]

838 is possibly a few years ahead of us in 616. So that could explain the kids age as for their powers, maybe since they are real here the powers never manifested without the hex. That or they just never needed to use them.

[@kennethpatac341]

@@lightdarksoul2097 how come did they became real? does vision had semen?

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@kennethpatac341 Hmm he shouldn't if we were going by the idea of Ultron not needing that but Vision can change his body to be what he wants it to be in some ways. The mind stone's power, his cyborg body which can have skin and possible feel like it too, his desire to be with Wanda could give him the want to have those parts. I mean if we look at him in his usual suit, he does have abs and other muscles he doesn't need but could just want to have.

[@terrencecollins8020]

If there was never a snap, there would be no 5 year gap.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

@@terrencecollins8020 Good point. The kids may have happened sooner. I still think that universe is a bit more in the future than our earth just because everyone is pretty aged. Like I guarantee when we see Prof X in our earth he won't be that old.

[@LikwidEMP3]

nobody has explored the possibility that Vision is just a dead beat dad that left the family in these other universes. probably left after the kids tried that ice cream song on him

[@TheBaBaTV]

Vision wouldn’t have been created in 838, since it looks like ultron was a success by stark not a evil failure !

[@lgchamp1999]

Do you think white vision saved scarlet witch from the rockfall at the end of the film?

[@hydrierterteev6062]

3:30 with this ultron tematic, couldnt it also be, that Oltrun worked from the start, but used still these drone designs, because he eventually thought, that this is a good design for machines, and tony agreed to build it this way?

[@matt15]

I think they’re saving him for the Young Avengers, he played a huge role in their first run in the comics

[@EnZo7992]

So Vision was in our hearts the whole time, bravo Marvel, bravo 👏

[@the.scarlet.stitch]

I’m dying at the visuals of Vision creeping on Wanda and looking at Tawaret

[@usernameunknown69]

“Vis had his theories” * LOUD DRAMATIC HORNS * lmfaoooo 😂😂😂

[@Sherlock1373]

Well, they didnt had to build Ultron and fight against him to have ultron sentries. Since they are far more advanced, Tony Stark could just built them as a weapons, or they could have just been a part of this defense planet system or sth. We dont know how Tony Stark looks in this universe, maybe his armor looks more like Ultron, so he made more suits looking like this.

[@ehteshamashraf7627]

Why weren't Tony Stark or the other Avengers there with the Illuminati on Titan when they defeated Thanos?

[@Sherlock1373]

@@ehteshamashraf7627 Well, we first have to assume, that Tony Stark exist in this universe. These ultron sentries could be someone else's idea.

[@leomoreno7369]

@@ehteshamashraf7627 It's likely that the Illuminati caught wind of Thanos somehow and pre-emptively tried to address the problems he was created before they escalated further. Thanos-838 was killed on Titan, which means the snap never occurred because Thanos died two stones short. There wasn't a need to call the Avengers.

[@morbiusmichael22]

@@leomoreno7369 a smart move by the Illuminati!

[@bio2189]

Vision has so many great monologues

[@ihorshyshak2640]

I miss when this channel has actual fact-based theories instead of just a hodge-podge of wacky ideas with nothing to back it up other than, "This would be cool"

[@dahliazaylinsage]

Thanks and safety to ya all as always!!

[@samurexatlas7373]

With 838, Vision may have never been made. Ultron was intended to be a suit of armor around the world, so it stands to reason that 838 Ultron never went rogue, and thus never actually made Vision.

[@titaniumcommandrig]

That’s only how it happened in the 616 there’s no law that says vision can’t exist if ultron worked

[@cyphlone3306]

Different universe, different story.

[@Shadowluigi-pj9nq]

Vision was definitely missed in Doctor Strange MOM

[@serenity4eva89]

Agatha coveting Vision's "Bohner" is quite a twist 😂

[@titaniumcommandrig]

I agree with this. The fact that it’s the exact same house proves it’s vision and not some nameless nobody

[@tschmitty1843]

yo thank you for this video. I don't know why, but i thought i was the only one asking this question

[@ermacmacro7136]

Maybe there was no Vision in 838. Follow me on this, we know that with Ultron and his sentries. The eye color is important (in the MCU, if a sentry's eyes are red that means Ultron's presence is in control. The same follows for Vision, since his powers are from the Mind Stone which controls people to make people's eyes turn blue. And Vision's eyes are also blue because that was Jarvis's color) The Ultron sentries we saw had Yellow eyes, an eye color we've never seen for an Ultron anything. So perhaps the reason we don't see Wanda with Vision in 838 is because there was never a vision to begin with in 838. There was only Ultron, who they figured out how to make docile.

[@titaniumcommandrig]

That’s only how it happened in the 616 there’s no law that says vision can’t exist if ultron worked

[@ermacmacro7136]

@@titaniumcommandrig Yes there is, because if Ultron works and doesn't go rogue then there wouldn't be a need to make Vision to counter Ultron

[@titaniumcommandrig]

@@ermacmacro7136 you don’t know how the ultron program even started in the 838. Vision could’ve been made as the first prototype or something your imagination is the limit. There’s endless ways for Vision to exist believing everything would follow how it did in the 616 is not a good foundation for another universe that has x men and inhumans

[@ermacmacro7136]

@@titaniumcommandrig Considering there are Ultron Sentries as the security system in the Illuminati?

[@ked49]

@@ermacmacro7136 yellow is Jarvis. Blue is ultron. Red is ultron himself

[@KingOfMadCows]

Vision was fully functional. And programmed in multiple techniques.

[@strykerhellhounds8401]

With 838 having the Ultron robots, I feel like Vision was never created since the Ultron program didnt go rogue like in Age Of Ultron, meaning that 838 Wanda never fell in love with Vision, lose Vision and ultimately becoming the Scarlett Witch.

[@Randisim0]

Vision didn't unlock white visions memories, white Vision never had any memories to begin with if anything the original Vision pretty much copy pasted his own memories and feelings about Wanda and his whole entire life to White vision. (Copy Paste)

[@ishaanupreti6438]

That's the exact opposite of what happened. He did indeed unlock his memories, and he did not had any of those.

[@Randisim0]

@@ishaanupreti6438 No he did not! White Vision was literally an empty vessel befor OG Vision literally just copy pasted all of his emotions & past memories to White Vision before disappearing from the Hex. How in the world did White Vision "unlocked" previous emotions & memories if he didn't even existed in the past? Makes no sense what your saying.

[@matthewtimms1764]

But if they created ultron sentries that served the purpose of a shield around the world without a corrupted ultron etc then they would always be under control and a rogue ultron wouldn’t have tried to make vision. The mind stone will still be in lokis sceptre?

[@jamesmartin5594]

Yeah I think he’s making a lot of assumptions to determine that Vision was even created. I don’t think Ultron would have gone rogue at all in that universe, they just created the sentries, so Ultron wouldn’t have made vision.

[@urmom-gv7zx]

i never understood why wanda doesn’t just buy a house and put a hex over it to keep vision

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Yep exactly

[@13thGeek]

A couple of details to consider about the defeat of Thanos on Titan that has two key affects pertaining to Wanda (and Strange). No Blip means that those characters are 5 years older than the 616 counterparts and that the boys still undergo accelerated growth since they are depicted as 10 yrs old. These could have been factors for 838 Vision’s absence. Motivated by a desire to further improve the world for the sake of his sons’, Vision and Wanda might have ended their relationship for that greater good. To quote Vision from Age of Ultron “Yes… but a thing isn’t beautiful because it lasts.”

[@TheBaBaTV]

Vision wouldn’t have been created in 838, since it looks like ultron was a success by stark not a evil failure !

[@13thGeek]

@@TheBaBaTV unless they use the Phineas Horton origin for 838 Vision. Ultimately, we don’t know that the First Ultron attempt was a success or not.

[@dudder86ify]

Love how wandavision was playing on the TV when professor x got killed

[@jeremye02]

Vision is so underrated with his intelligence in the MCU right now. Just wait.

[@sheilabodiongan6097]

Hi, can someone help me understand. In the wandavision series, was it agatha who made the hex and controlled wanda? How come at the end of the series, agatha claimed to be doing those things to wanda? And if wanda was the one who made the hex, how the heck did Agatha managed to be a part of that town in the first place??

[@ked49]

1 Wanda 2 vampiric magic

[@VaibhavShewale]

the question i was asking in every 20mins while watching the movie in theatre

[@blackzeus8176]

Wanada wanted that iron rod

[@jan3390]

When Strange looked into the Future and saw 14 million possibilities, were those not alternate universes?

[@iTony0225]

No, he seen 14 million possibilities in that universe In That timeline

[@ishaanupreti6438]

No, they weren't, because they were possibilities that never happened and branch out into other timelines/universes, as only the one path taken by Doctor Strange to win, was the only one allowed by He Who Remains.

[@randomcharacter6501]

He wouldn't be able to see the multiverse because it was under control of the TVA.

[@damunaik4]

Nope. Timelines are different from universes. One universe can have many timelines.

[@ishaanupreti6438]

@@damunaik4 Ok, then what is the difference ?

[@TieZip]

What if 838 Ultron transferred himself into Visions body but Avengers managed to control it in the end battle and hence Illuminati has Ultron Sentrys

[@ishaanupreti6438]

So you are saying those might be Wanda and Ultron's kids ?

[@TieZip]

@@ishaanupreti6438 maybe

[@veggiet2009]

The amount of times that Wanda stares directly at the 4th wall in Multiverse of Madness was unsettling to say the least!

[@hellyeahjeremy]

Dang, Vision is PACKING... i need me a vision in my life ngl

[@deborahzolot5176]

did you know that in what if e8 at the end when we saw Doctor Strange at his entries he had 3 eyes also in e8 the infinity Ultron and the Watcher went throw other universes like America shaves and Doctor Strange

[@TroyNaumu808]

I believe White Vision is being saved for the solo Scarlett Witch film.

[@potatowaffle5653]

I for one will not being seeing that 💩

[@MartinBellamyMBDrums]

4:59 , What a transition LOL Absolutely love it haha

[@ihorshyshak2640]

My guess is he was sacrificed to pay for all the cameo appearances. I’m surprised this is the first time I’m hearing about visions 🍆. It’s even purple too.

[@sagarkulkarni5356]

Our Vision should have helped building Ultron century, instead he got busy with Wanda 😀

[@ChrisJackson36]

I disagree about 838 vision. I propose he doesn’t exist at all. Vision only existed in the 616 because ultron turned out corrupted and homicidal. 838 has ultron bots because he worked meaning vision would never have been made at all. Wanda had kids with someone else… wonder who that was.

[@zarifhossain8796]

Ralph Bohner..there u go u have the answer

[@titaniumcommandrig]

Everyone keeps assuming that just because it happened that way in 616 it not happening equals no vision. It’s the exact same house and this movie ties in heavily to WandaVision why wouldn’t it be him

[@justinmccrea1288]

Can't wait to see Vision. Love Paul Bettany to bits

[@BJBRUNOH2O]

Yo that laughing yoooooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 6:41

[@ChocoboKid216]

If Vision can create a cape to match Thor. He can create a ... Purple to make the Scarlet happy.

[@haddonfieldradio666]

I’m confused as to how Vision or Ultron can occur in multiple multiversal timelines considering neither are naturally occurring birthed people with “souls” tied to a timeline, who naturally exist. They were both created artificially as a synthezoid and an android, not unlike computers or any other inert machines that can approximate life…

[@lild5470]

Technically if the ultron sentries worked there was no need for ultron to go “rogue”. Maybe the prototype worked how it was supposed to and didn’t have a mind of his own. Endless possibilities

[@SectionATE617]

Why didn't hex vision tell Wanda about white vision?

[@Jayxroberts]

Bc he didn’t know either lol

[@grenade4500]

i loved how this video went from talking about what happened to vision to the colour if visions d-

[@anthonydisla676]

Every night I have the same dream and every morning I have the same nightmare.

[@ericmiller93]

Something has been bothering me and maybe it’s a stupid question, but shouldn’t the 883 reality outcome with Thanos dead have been one the possible futures Strange saw when he looked at the 14 million outcomes of the conflict on Titan?

[@newkingscontent8533]

That's a different timeline. Strange only saw possibilities on Earth 616.

[@newkingscontent8533]

The Earth 838 has different realities.

[@randomcharacter6501]

Strange wouldn't have been able to see the multiverse at that time because it was still under control of the TVA. He was only searching this timeline, not other universes.

[@damunaik4]

What strange saw was different tinelines within the same universe, aka 616 only. Universe 838 maybe had more timelines in which Thanos is defeated.

[@ericmiller93]

Ah okay I get it. Thanks guys.

[@gidpoloni6832]

Wait..So is Wanda in 838 a mutant. I’m literally just thinking about this now

[@zarifhossain8796]

Woah!!

[@ihorshyshak2640]

@@zarifhossain8796 “Fantastic fou….. THREE!” Lmao🤣🤣

[@zarifhossain8796]

@@ihorshyshak2640 lmfao that one XD

[@yintakoda7471]

The way I took 838 Ultron is that they're being either controlled by vision or vision was the basis for the Ultron program because the Ultron bots have a yellow light, not a blue light

[@thestarseeker8196]

You make quite a convincing argument Sir, bravo 🧐

[@QuaePanemEtCircenses]

How COULD Wanda have had the twins naturally and with Vision as the father? Is that even possible? In some comic universes, Pietro is the father which, gross, but biologically it makes sense. It struck me as odd that they never even touched on where the boys came from, and whether or not they were they were born or created

[@lightdarksoul2097]

According to Visions actor, he had a purple... umm donk. So it can be guessed he can produce the stuff needed.

[@Matongo1]

StepPietro I'm stuck

[@atulkhare9071]

Sweet home westview

[@damunaik4]

Isn't the most popular storyline the one in which it was confirmed they're pieces of Mephisto's soul?

[@ishaanupreti6438]

What is so hard to understand, Vision is a biological, living being. He can have children.

[@mrcreeper6177]

This does kind of answer a question I asked on different video on how they had kids. Vision was built as a Super powered hyper intelligent Sex Android. The more you know.

[@Johnny-yw3sr]

everyone: Vision what happened with you and Wanda? Vision: Me and Wanda don't talk no more

[@peterskorec8246]

Well vision was listening to Rhodey say “Booooooom looking for this!”. Can’t blame him. I would too

[@mrxexes]

Question: Can white vVson shape shift also, if so what's stopping him from looking like regular Vision?

[@ked49]

Define shape shift? Normal vision couldn’t do that

[@ishaanupreti6438]

Wanda will return in... ?

[@markpjf85]

Many future projects for sure

[@ishaanupreti6438]

@@markpjf85 House of M.

[@instantdominator2121]

Agatha : House of Harkness

[@RideTheTeacups]

"The Fantastic... Three" had me rolling! nice.

[@SteveFromYoutube]

Math, obv it’s Fantastic 5 cuz 4 - 1 = 5

[@dannybversion1.028]

Vision's infinity stone being the same colour as the Ultron bots' eyes leads me to believe that maybe vision himself took control over them.

[@sovietguardian]

Another thing worth mentioning is that Thanos from the Illuminati universe did not have the Mind Stone, which means that Vision was most likely alive at the time when Thanos was defeated by Supreme Strange.

[@kingsnackboy]

Or there isn't a vision in that universe they kinda brush over that part. We see no tony or banner mention in the illuminati universe so it stands to reason the illuminati universe didn't have the same ultron problem the 616 universe did so that being said vision may or may not have been in that universe at all. Without Tony there wouldn't be a vision. And in the illuminati universe there is no mention of tony at all.

[@damunaik4]

Erik mentioned that point in another video as well as this one at 2:51... Glad to know I'm not the only one who somehow doesn't catch all the points in the video 😂

[@sovietguardian]

@@damunaik4 aah right haha, my mistake

[@brianokon3784]

We needed an ironman cameo not vision

[@ihorshyshak2640]

Common dark avengers

[@johnnymfs1]

It's possiible that Ultron never went rogue in 838 universe, too Being a successful project since the beggining, and thus never creating Vision's body.

[@ihorshyshak2640]

Common dark avengers

[@bigshid7097]

0:30 “some more recent clarification from the cast and crew, I can now explain to you, the status of Vision in Doctor Strange 2!” would’ve been a great little rhyme there lol

[@erinmalik.]

these are all just excuses because bettany couldn’t sign on for the film ;-;

[@Erik_Montesinos]

I’m pretty sure he would’ve hopped on if asked to

[@veerchasm1]

Vision is like “that bitc* is CRAZY, like Amber Heard crazy”

[@jamangel]

Lmao bye

[@Enfielder1985]

I'm so late to see this video... But Vision is probable busy painting himself green and gold.. 😂

[@diamonddezzart]

Got me thinking 🤔

[@batboy9997]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Disney actually has an overarching storyline post Endgame? I actually think they are in see what sticks mode.

[@ishaanupreti6438]

No, you aren't.

[@randomcharacter6501]

Kinda seems like they are buying time for the launch of FF and X-Men

[@batboy9997]

@@randomcharacter6501I am hoping that X-Men follows What If and multiverse of madness and just becomes a live action extension of the animated series, which means it would take place in the 90s, which is the only way to redeem it. Oh, and Henry Cavill as Cyclops. That's right, I said it.

[@blind7000]

3:30 Or there never was a Vision in 838 because Ultron was never given sentience or it never went mad. Vision was only created by putting Jarvis in the body for Ultron powered by the stone, if Ultron never goes mad or was never given the AI and was only created as drones then no Vision. Also, explains why Wanda has actual kids in this world since androids can't exactly do the deed as being able to manipulate matter to create an appendage doesn't mean you can produce gametes.

[@rosecity_chris]

I'm not convinced that Ultron existed as we know him in 838. Theres nothing to say those bots weren't created exactly as they are and never went rogue, thus never creating Vision.

[@titaniumcommandrig]

There’s not a law that states vision can’t exist of ultron goes rogue

[@josro1234]

I'm about halfway through the video and some of these things you're saying like "we know x because of y" doesn't track. To me, Wanda was dream walking in the same body over the course of the movie, not 3 separate ones as there was no indication of otherwise. And just because there are Ultron bots doesn't mean there was a big bad evil Ultron in this universe and if that were the case no Vision would have to be made. The mind stone that isn't in Thanos' gauntlet could just be being used for something else in this universe.