Tesla Model S Plaid - Hoist Review with Sandy & Cory

Sandy and Cory get the Plaid up on the hoist to share what's new, what's old, and what will be fun to re-examine during teardown.
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[@f205v]

Maybe Cory isn't as experienced as Sandy, but JEEZ! he knows all the ins and outs of a car!

[@klantic2]

This is so exciting. Thanks for all of your time, energy and hard work!

[@MunroLive]

Thanks for watching!

[@abou8963]

Amazing and exciting to watch your daily breakdown.

[@StarLink85]

dont work hard - work smart

[@TheRocky3211]

Yes , would love to see comparisons to earlier model s . That would make great content

[@markplott4820]

the PLAID mod S is a step change above the mod S Raven - performance.

[@TheRocky3211]

@@markplott4820 yep without a doubt , id really like to see what areas the weight savings come from in particular.

[@markplott4820]

@@TheRocky3211 - probably from use of castings, though the mod S does not use Megacasting, as that's for high production vehicles, but PLAID has castings in the 4 corner of the car , and a bigger rear casting.

[@Marronii]

Would also love to see the difference between the plaid and the longrange

[@TheRocky3211]

@@markplott4820 yep would make sense for them to use castings here as well as M3/y. Can't wait for rest of the teardown, especially motors/ inverter ! Hopefully we see some other cool bits from other areas of redesign . I hear the plaid X is vastly different to raven model too .

[@Robbie6298]

Radial mount calipers are super common in superbikes. It is way stiffer than axial mounting calipers and it eliminates shear force on fasteners. From Rider Magazine: "That’s a seemingly trivial difference, but radial mounting yields some important benefits. For starters, radial-mount calipers provide better caliper-to-disc alignment since the caliper body is centered over the disc using locating dowels rather than sliding pins as on an axial setup. Radial calipers are also more rigid since the caliper is secured at both ends rather than at just one end as is common on axial calipers. That improved alignment and rigidity can provide better bite, more stopping power and improved feel under aggressive braking, which is especially important stuff to roadracers"

[@waynelevett3632]

Yes. I could see it would be more rigid than a usual caliper side mount that has a minute flex. I think it's a great idea from superbikes. Thank you

[@GROND15]

It also reduces the likelihood of the pads dragging on the rotors. So it is a more efficient system. And the "feel" is much improved.

[@spankeyfish]

The caliper body is only mounted on slide pins when it's a sliding caliper, usually a single piston one. Opposed piston calipers are rigidly mounted but perhaps not as rigidly as radial mount ones.

[@markplott4820]

TESLA, makes 100's of production changes EVERY 24H.

[@rkan2]

Also regular pedal bikes :P

[@chdcalifornia880]

Hi Sandy and Cory! Love your work. I rebuild salvage Teslas in Ukraine. Own MX p90d and MS P100D. A couple things I request you to PLEASE examine closely on the Plaid: 1. Spline on the drive axles where they meet the hub in each wheel. Interested if they made them beefier on the Plaid, on the MS and MX performance, they are so small, with small teeth, I'm amazed they can handle the torque, especially considering vehicle weight. 2. Pyro fuse on battery - interested to know how it's upgraded over Ludicrous fuse, and if possible, please find out max amps the pack is putting out. 3. And of course, battery cells! Configuration, connection, BMS, etc. Realky want to see how they achieve 25%+ more amps from the pack while still using 18650s. 4. Maybe examine suspension components versus the standard MS (upper / lower control arms, etc.) As you probably know, there is a history of problems with them breaking, especially on the porky Model X. (I lovingly refer to mine as a 'hippopotamus on stilettos.') Thanks, and keep up the good work! PS - grew up in Metro Detroit ) Edit: keep remembering more things! 5. Look at rear drive unit, how inverter is integrated into that assembly. As you know, in old Performance drive units, the inverter was on one side and motor on the other. Also, compare rear and front drive units to the M3 performance motor- I heard a rumor that the Plaid is basically using two M3 performance drive units in back, one in front.

[@andrasbiro3007]

I think they talked about the inverter. It's different because of the width of the two motors. As for the Model 3 motors, it seems very unlikely, as one of the main features of the Plaid is the special carbon-wrapped motor. My guess is that it comes from SpaceX, they are using a similar technique to contain extremely high pressure gases. They did a ton of R&D on that after a failure costing them a rocket and payload.

[@GTO33]

The pyrofuse is from the company Autoliv in Sweden, and the just have 2 models of the fuse. One rated at 500 volts and another rated at 1000 volt (used by Taycan and E-Tron GT)

[@leononymous2562]

SPECIAL THANKS TO THE VIDEO GUY! Your work is under appreciated! Sandy and Cory you are so likeable, it is always fun to watch and learn! Keep it up!

[@eddiegardner8232]

The threaded-in nuts in the castings is very common on Japanese motorcycles. Fewer parts, easier assembly. Good stuff. Little things like this matter when there are hundreds of instances.

[@markplott4820]

the best part, is no part.

[@adityasahasranshu7503]

Yup, my KTM also has similar type of bolting

[@alanmay7929]

@@markplott4820 not always…..

[@markplott4820]

@@alanmay7929 - always. best service is , no service in the FIRST place. the best process is no process. the BEST government is no Government.

[@Matzes]

@@markplott4820 can you do anything else besides repeating elons sayings like a parrot?

[@Snurre86]

8:05 The caliper mounting is common on motorcycles. It is for rigidity and alignment with the discs. called radial mounting.

[@danmoyer4650]

@@jesnamara6759 Spammy spam SPAM!!!!

[@andrewdekoning]

Maybe Sandy hasn't torn down too many McLarens, Ferraris or Porsches? Some of them have radial mount calipers as well on performance models. I agree with them - cool thing to see Tesla continuing to push performance even on a heavy sedan!

[@alexcallas8222]

Also done because the caliper mounting bolts are no longer in shear, as they were the old way. Example of Brembo Brakes engineering.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Motorcycles have floating discs. This would have to have the same would it not?

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@alexcallas8222 How can that be? As the disc is still rotating around the bolt, not pulling the bolt. Plus shear is far strong that pull out.

[@Sander-zj3wi]

As an engineer (in waste water) we do not have that many machines. What i want to learn from these video's is how i can make equipment better and easier to assemble, use and install. The "Fasteners are not your friend" motivated me to come up with a design for a oxygen sensor armature without fasteners (4 anchors to fasten it on concrete is what's left.)

[@GTO33]

Fasteners are defenitly your friend in almost all aspects exept from cost in mass produced products.

[@UnlikelyToRemember]

@@GTO33 Every fastener is a potential failure point.

[@GTO33]

@@UnlikelyToRemember everything is a potential failure point if done incorrectly.

[@SiisKolkytEuroo]

@@GTO33 best part is no part

[@sammiller6631]

@@GTO33 Fasteners are not your friend

[@motofan16]

The way of mounting of the fixed brake calipers is actually quite common on very high performance cars, brake kits, or motorcycles. Some other comments explained the characteristics well.

[@winyettyu]

And also bicycles. it is called PM(post mount) versus the usual IS (international standard)

[@jeffkrupke3810]

Loving the tear down and the pearls of wisdom.

[@Mr1drumlover]

Are Teslas built to last? Thanks for all you boys and girls do at Munro And Associates!

[@koeniglicher]

Why do these "pearls of wisdom" overlook the rust on the drive shaft ends? See 4:50. This is on all 4 drive shafts.

[@davidanalyst671]

@@Mr1drumlover go buy a dodge and tell me in 10 years

[@Emily-ou6lq]

The brake mount setup is known as 'radial' as opposed to 'axial'. The first Porsche Boxters already had such a setup. Bikes started having them in the early 2000s, not sure but I believe the very first production bike with radial calipers was the Yamaha R1. Edit: 2004 R1 5vy

[@jeffmenne7844]

My 2015 BMW R1200GS uses this setup.

[@Emily-ou6lq]

@Jason Hmm...Great anger in this one I sense

[@williamhu2700]

@Jason Lol, you probably work for legacy auto

[@sammiller6631]

@Jason You sound bitter and irrational. Facts are facts no matter the company.

[@PhillioDoede]

Mountain bikes started using this style mount in 2010s, more strength and less material. I'm guessing in this application its all about the strength?

[@TheJesusFreeke]

Thanks again, guys. Y'all are the coolest nerds I know! So far worth every penny of that bumper sticker!!! Saving it for my CT....

[@10fantic]

Same!!!!

[@abraxastulammo9940]

You getting a Cross Turismo?

[@fred993a]

Sandy - Your analysis, along with Cory's, is so powerful and incite-full. I am getting an education of a lifetime! Thank you!

[@GTO33]

This type of caliper are very common in high performance cars, and standard om most motorcycles and is called a radial mount caliper. The point is to avoid twisting of caliper and hub during braking due to the te moment induced by the offset mounts of the bolts. The point of the "virtual ball" suspension is to avoid torque steering by getting a variable scrub radius wich is propotional to the wheel toe in/ toe out on each side of the car. The system was first introdused in Audi A4 almost 30 years ago. The downside of the system is that the steering often feels numb with bad feedback, wich is why eurpean fwd GTI cars usually use a different system.

[@jonb8633]

As owner of a 2023 model S this videos are the icing on the cake. I appreciate this videos a lot.thanks for so much detail and knowledge

[@Robbie6298]

You never disappoint!

[@JW77]

Radial mount caliper, very common on motorcycles. Started in motorcycle racing for the ease of swapping brake disks of different diameters. Add a few spacers and you can mount the calipers on larger discs.

[@skog5209]

Would you be able to fit bigger pads in the same caliper though?

[@Andyinater]

What a dream job! Sandy and this channel are such an inspiration for engineering students like me.

[@URBANENGINEER]

They are inviting you to apply man! Reach out if you are qualified.

[@etalon3141]

I personally love the insights into manufacturing processes and their pros and cons, and the reasoning why something may have been done how it was.

[@mikeg6633]

I used to be an automotive dismantler. It would have been so rewarding to work for a company like Munro. If I was in the area, I'd apply today.

[@Fanta....]

Just keep doing your thing Sandy & Team, it's interesting watching you commenting.

[@GarryAReed]

I am not a mechanic, or an engineer, but I really appreciate the intensity that you guys pour into your work ! Keep on Kettering ! 👍👍👍👍👍

[@joshualewis3337]

That kind of caliper mounting arrangement is common on high performance cars with big brakes. Taycan has it, Lotuses, McLarens and Ferraris have it. One of the reasons is that it’s lighter (no ‘ear’ on the caliper). Another reason is ease of caliper removal (no need to get around the back of the knuckle). Another reason is to reduce overall track width (length of thread in the knuckle would push the disc outboard and make the car wider).

[@Cryogenic1981]

Mr Munro, I love to hear you talk about every nut and bolt you find. I find your explanations fascinating ... and I'm not even an engineer, I'm a computer programmer.

[@markplott4820]

Mach-e has brackets holding up more brackets........lol.

[@Andi11144]

Same

[@GaneshNayak]

Very happy to see how Sandy converted a pandemic disruption, into a new opportunity with KZbin and now is growing the company. Great work. All the best

[@michelemichele6387]

Excellent video. I appreciate your definition of parts and clarifying simple things for the enthusiastic non engineer. I love learning!☺️

[@bartwaggoner2000]

Maintenance of various parts (e.g. engine oil pumps) looks really accessible and easy to do

[@markplott4820]

the best maintenance, is no maintenance.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

@@markplott4820 good luck with that! 🤣

[@AudiTTQuattro2003]

I wonder if the computer systems monitor them? Might do it by temperature, since I believe the oil is used as a cooling/heat transfer medium.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

@@AudiTTQuattro2003 probably just oil pressure is enough, though I am sure it knows oil temp, too.

[@kstaxman2]

Watching you both really shows the importance of your years of experience. The saying is true the only way to get 15 years of experience is spend 15 years. I'm sure that you both have disambled thousands of vehicles as well as helped redesign or design thousands more. NOTHING replaces that hands on time. Thanks for letting us see what is a very expensive review and analysis just for tuning in.

[@christopherrubicam4474]

The details are 90% over my head, but it is good to get a sense of the quality of the design and build. Thanks.

[@Scott-sm9nm]

Love getting more and more commentary from Cory. A very good communicator comes across as really knowing and understanding the topic.

[@raven----]

This Tesla Plaid tear-down is very interesting....Thanks Monro LIve

[@MunroLive]

Our pleasure!

[@jeffreyhampton9130]

Thx again.

[@MunroLive]

You bet!

[@OrganicStuff1]

This is amazing to watch, what a time to be alive

[@paulkearsley9509]

I just like watching you explaining how it all fits together and whats new

[@Terry-hl6li]

Excited to see what you guys discover. Thanks for doing this!

[@JohnPMiller]

Worth the wait! Thanks for another great video!

[@johnnyb1843]

Awesome stuff! Just love the enthusiasm of 'real' mechanics at a Candy Shop. (Sweet Shop {UK})

[@userbosco]

Saw my first Plaid in traffic yesterday. Really is a beautiful vehicle. I love the fact that it's - to the untrained eye - a sleeper.

[@maxr2469]

Once again, some very interesting content from engineering experts about clever engineering and clever products ! There is so many highlighted tips and good practices shared on your videos, always presented and discussed based on experience. As a mechanical engineer designing small series products, I think this is a gold mine to stay inventive, cost effective and frugal with ressources. Those are our main challenges now. Thank you guys for this content, I’m happy you have such a success on YT, you deserve it! I would have loved to work for Munro but I do have my life and family here in Europe.

[@scruffy4647]

Doubtful I'll ever own a Plaid, but sure is interesting to see the build. I am sure you're archiving the various teardowns and later as the different models progress through the years, seeing the evolution of change is sure going to be something to see. Thanks

[@Silver_o]

Archiving? Their main business is tearing down vehicles, documenting every single part and components, the materials and cost of manufacturing and selling it to companies (other auto manufacturers) that don't want to do their own teardowns to gain insights that migh help them build their own cars. Their teardown reports cost as high as $80k and above.

[@dougdority5589]

This is exactly the kind of content that I want.

[@Simon-gk9ug]

Thanks guys for the quick and concise run through over the lowers of the plaid! Wish I lived in the US now, would love to join the team in deep diving new technology

[@technologyandsociety21C]

Impressive analysis: precise and objective.

[@moridin1000]

Radial mounted calipers up front. That's usually reserved for racecars or fast motorcycles. Much stiffer assembly when the upright is designed to accommodate that type of brake caliper.

[@peterjohnwatson4340]

Brakes look like most modern radially mounted calipers you find on motorcycles today.

[@randyhyland847]

This is the kind of content I love to see from you guys. Can't wait for you to talk about fastener analysis and electrical analysis and stuff like that. Really interesting.

[@Testpilottim]

Sandy your channel is going to go massive love your content say thanks to your employees for all the work they do. Regards Tim New Zealand

[@davidbeppler3032]

What a great way to advertise employment opertunities to a huge viewer base!

[@cbn1362]

Very interesting! Specially regarding redundancy design! Looking forward to the rest!

[@markplott4820]

TESLA, engineers it's vehicles to exceed 5 ⭐ crash safety.

[@ghostindamachine]

Awesome stuff! Really appreciate these kinds of series :)

[@mikenelson8351]

I am enjoying very much the learning. Thank you (from Australia)

[@EpicFail89fun]

Reinforcement of the front of the battery is improvement over last generation of Model S where it was poorly protected. There are videos on YT where ppl had run over stuff on road damaging coolant inlet and tesla demanded to change whole battery so third praty garages have been changing just the damaged part of battety module.

[@BnORailFan]

That happened to someone I know. Fortunately insurance covered the replacement. Tesla didn't say exactly what was wrong though.

[@dandil]

the electric motor is on bushings and moves around, thus you can't locate the aero shield to it. The motor mount point would tear the shield as it moves relative to the subframe.

[@waynefergusson9987]

good point

[@shortaybrown]

Great job! Excited to see the rest!

[@melaniem.3581]

Congratulations on your growth! You deserve everything. God Bless!

[@jimbamford8834]

Great video!

[@LuybXAzH2]

Love the initial analysis. Another nice thing is you do get knowledgeable comments too - win win. I BET Elon has some of his guys and girls scope locked onto your videos looking for constructive ideas. That car has "massive" suspension components! With 1000+ hp, you kinda want it! I'm staying tuned!

[@markplott4820]

TESLA, also sells Carbon-Ceramic brakes for $20k for 21" Performance.

[@danapeck5382]

Thanks, great that you're doing this. Condolences to your production team...

[@geekimusprime]

Very informative. Thank you!

[@mnielsen005]

That's a radially mounted brake caliper. Very common on high end braking systems, especially aftermarket. Also common in air disc brakes to a small extent.

[@N0N0111]

Sandy wants more cards and letters, get on it people!

[@markplott4820]

Subscribe, it's free. also like this VID. and don't forget to keep tipping those Waitresses.

[@lpdirv]

Glad you guys and gals are expanding and in demand. It bodes well for engineer focused manufacturing. Keep up the great work. You really are inspiring the next generation of engineers and entrepreneur's.

[@elboy19_80]

the car lights and sound show at the end was a nice touch! Already looking forward to the next video!

[@cyumadbrosummit3534]

Wait until you see the top of that rear subframe casting it's an absolute work of art and light as air.

[@markplott4820]

Imagine how good model Y built in TX will be w/ Megacasting and 4680 structural pack.

[@alanmay7929]

Lol….. it’s nothing special!

[@gfalconar]

As usual, I love these tear-down videos and this particular one is a bit more exciting that usually. That said, I really wish this vehicle had been cleaned better before the tear-down, or perhaps it is going to be cleaned now that it's on the hoist and covers pulled off? So much easier to see the details when they are clean.

[@abou8963]

Haha, Cory!

[@chdcalifornia880]

Was thinking the same thing. Needed a good underbody wash before starting.

[@tatradak]

Are you guys suffering OCD..............its nice to see where the road crap travels around the underside and then we can see what is or isn't protected.

[@0cer0]

@@tatradak Very good point!

[@PeteLenz]

Nice again brilliant and explanatory! Thank you!

[@claudiomarinangeli2360]

Great episode! This is getting really exciting! I just can't wait to see the rest!

[@davidlowton3423]

Glad this Model S Plaid tear down has become reality. Already super interesting. Keep up the great work.

[@MADMAX7330]

12:40 :Anchoring the bracket to the emotor would not be a stationary point. The motor will twist and move on its mounts, and will move the bracket with it.

[@markplott4820]

those dual rear motors generate a lot of torque, needs to be reinforced.

[@BrowncoatFairy]

also, if something were to impact or otherwise pull on the part being mounted, do you really want the MOTOR to act as its anchor? i'd think the frame would be a lot safer.

[@xxxslappyxxx]

I have learned alot about how the vehicles are designed and put together, keep up the good work.

[@tanveerahsan8974]

That light dance in the end was dope!

[@dalerichardson7202]

LOL Munro and associates hiring problem is directly correlated to their location. If you are highly capable and very intelligent, you are NOT moving to Michigan, no matter how much pay they are offering. My suggestion, gentlemen, is to open a second location in a low tax state such as Florida or Texas. The resumes will flow in, I assure you.

[@AudiTTQuattro2003]

Yeah, even if they wanted me, I wouldn't move there. Lived up north before...and it sucks.

[@gerrycrisostomo6571]

Awesome teardown video! Actually it's probably the best so far. And since the beginning, the superiority of Tesla engineering and manufacturing over the competition is so apparent. I can hardly wait for the motors and battery parts teardown. It's just so exciting.

[@alanmay7929]

Lol…..

[@hobbit1953]

keep doing what ya'll are doing...such a delight watching your analyses...

[@sryev9410]

Utterly fantastic content guys, love your channel

[@Jarlefinken]

Very interesting video. The radial mount calipers is common on high performance cars and in motorsport, have been for decades. The dual pivot front lower arms is similar to what BMW have had since 1995 in E39 5 series. Nothing revolutionary on that front. A very impressive care nonetheless.

[@NO3V]

Let's dooooo this!

[@Mada_1337]

Keep up the great work. I love Munro Live!

[@raychen8107]

thanks for sharing your knowledge! love to have a clearer video

[@tuurschellekens5385]

They say they don't have much time, yet they still produce a great quality and detailed video. Awesome! A comparison to old Model S/X would be great

[@davidhumeston5292]

Well after seeing some of the suspension that is definitely $140,000 car that can run a 9+ second quarter mile. Very beefy impressive suspension.

[@nascarnate326]

Just found your channel anddddd there goes my night. You guys are awesome!

[@MunroLive]

Glad you found us!

[@pierrembadenhorstt]

really appreciate your work

[@dzerres]

I'd like to hear about how you make the battery and the electrical system safe to work on. How do you connect to the battery "drain" and where do you drain the juice to? Do you run a bunch of air fryers in the break room over lunch? Do you throw the hot end into a full horse trough? And how do you know everything is dead and thus safe? I'd like to see that because we have a M3 and although I won't be working on the car like I would my old Jag XKE, I would like to know how it's done. thanks

[@markplott4820]

EVERY, Tesla made has a battery disconnect to render it SAFE, and used by 1st Responders.

[@coast2coast00]

@@markplott4820 There's a difference between making the car safe, and taking apart a battery and looking at the insides.

[@markplott4820]

@@coast2coast00 - even the Tesla maintenance, has to make battery safe, before maintenance. and you NEED to disconnect the battery, to replace the Tesla steering wheel, or else the airbag goes off in your face 😢.

[@justinmolina4557]

Sandy I am an industrial mechanic and in my field the way we have reduced cost and ease the install is to use remote input/output modules. This way the computer communicates to the modules through a data cable to send and receive information. So now we only have to pull 3 wires instead of the 40 to 100 wires that we used to. Are auto makers incorporating this kind of technology, and who if any are?

[@benbaselet2026]

I'm not a car pro, but I do know they have been just collections of smart bits connected together with a data bus to just exchange data instead of wiring sensors and actuators to one controller etc.

[@KirkThomson]

I love your videos! I learn something with every one of them.

[@AntoineThisdale]

Brilliant. Can't wait for the next episode!

[@cooluser23]

Could you do a comparison to the older Model S in future videos. What they changed/improved to older cars?

[@markplott4820]

Ummmm, TESLA makes 100+ production changes EVERY 24H.

[@AMortalDefiant]

I feel as if engineering students should be required to do a rotation with Sandy before they graduate; similar to how the medical field uses clinical rotations.

[@abou8963]

Cory is fantastic with Sandy! Definitely a dream job for every technician! Intern there!

[@gust9464]

This is some great stuff. Thank you guys so much for your time & giving the world so much knowledge! Assuming the model S LR would be pretty much the same, except for the carbon sleeved tr--motors.

[@patmcdaniel2016]

awesome start

[@SabrToothSqrl]

Came for the "Hey boys and girls" was not disappointed.

[@101starting]

Love the caliper bolt if it backs out you will know 😉

[@waynelevett3632]

Cool. It rubbing on the rim

[@piccalillipit9211]

Damn right you will LOL

[@ClassicBMWFanInQuebec]

It's a *different* kind of wear indicator...

[@RParmable]

Great job guys : Comparison to the M3 and MY are appreciated. Thx again

[@alexandrnovokhatskiy8630]

Thank you! It's really interesting topic

[@capslock9031]

I’m most looking forward to your insights into the cf wrapped rotors in the motors and the tooling and processes needed to achieve them, since Elon said this hasn’t been done on a production vehicle up until the Plaid.

[@alanmay7929]

Lol…. It’s nothing special, cf rotors have been used for years for applications up to 200k rpm+ there are German companies that actually does that.

[@AudiTTQuattro2003]

People forget that we have been making motors for years, so much of the high end tech is just being ported over to cars.

[@alanmay7929]

@@AudiTTQuattro2003 yes electric cars were the first way before ICE and electric motors have been in development the longest possible used in all kinds of applications from very high rpm centrifugal machines to very low rpm heavy duty electric motors.

[@ADOENDRA]

Well, what I like to know about the plaid is if TESLA already took into account LHD and RHD in theire design. ( firewall, suspension .... ) Do you see any indications for an easy swap in production?

[@abou8963]

I appreciate the explanations and sharing.

[@elektrotehnik94]

LHD means Left Hand Drive. RHD means Right Hand Drive.

[@Nature_Quixote]

I always appreciate getting the engineer's perspective

[@lemongavine]

I love the dynamic between Sandy and Corey. Corey keeps Sandy in line, haha.

[@jeremyc.8903]

Which is making it boring

[@lemongavine]

@@jeremyc.8903 yeah, I like Corey, but he needs to let Sandy sidetrack and rant more. Videos would all be 2 hours long, lol