Musicians Reacting to Nu Metal

[@derekrequiem4359]

Regardless of opinion, nu metal was the last time that heavy music was mainstream and reached millions of people. Bands like Korn and Linkin Park were gateway band to heavier music for countless fans. EDIT: Wow, thanks for the 10k likes everyone! Nice to see how my little comment generated a robust discussion! 😁

[@cammac66]

Was it post hardcore/screamo/emo though?

[@cammac66]

Was it post hardcore/screamo/emo though?

[@bendeans9172]

@@cammac66 Nu Metal was mid 90's- early 2000's at it's peak, way before the above you mentioned

[@bodhi8297]

@@cammac66 that genre never saw half the success nu metal did. Limp Bizkit had the fastest selling rock album of all time. Like it or not Nu Metal was the last real movement in rock that dominated all the way to the top of the mainstream.

[@cammac66]

@@bodhi8297 i agree with the more popular thing but i think rock/metal or heavy music was still mainstream after nu metal maybe up to 2010s.

[@demetrisloukas8586]

Billy Corgan really cares about musical evolution and it shows every time he speaks

[@vicconn1050]

Isn’t he wonderful? A true musician.

[@phylazen5649]

As much of a snob as he is, he has the best take on the genre. It was simply people being creative and just mixing shit around and writing heavy riffs. It wouldnt surprise me if he was also being ironic just to be annoying because every other musician at the time was clowning on Nu-Metal and him saying it was badass probably upset some people haha

[@andrewbennett7610]

Billy Corgan invented musical evolution, hasn't he told you that yet??

[@nicholassternon5857]

@@phylazen5649 lol classic manip strategy, make them think youre always ironic. Although im sure he has been

[@bunnykandi69]

@@phylazen5649 Not alot of musicians do lol

[@iug1925]

"we don't belong to this genre" - every nu-metal musician

[@i_hate_rock_and_metal]

So nu-metal before is un-metal today?🤔

[@hellxisxaxplacexonxearth3553]

Same with all the emo bands lmao - "we're not emo, we swear!" ...yeah right, said every emo singer ever

[@randerins]

@@hellxisxaxplacexonxearth3553 The only band I've heard calling themselves "emo" was Sworn In, while they are quite heavier than any typical bands of the genre. And their drummer is quite technical.

[@beastmerc84]

Most of the Nu-Metal bands sound totally different from each other.

[@vexedpixels]

like who?

[@inse0380]

"Rage Against The Machine was a band that had great riffs" -Tom Morello, guitarist of Rage Against The Machine

[@misterhappy5462]

...and he was accurate.

[@nenadgajic867]

@@misterhappy5462 Yes he was if we pretend Faith no more didn´t exist..and also quite full of him self...damn..

[@RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia]

I love when I see Corey Taylor talking like an intellectual while wearing his mask lol

[@Ragmon1]

Check out Lordi interviews. Full monster get-up while having a very interesting conversation. Also great music.

[@xbmpr]

@@Ragmon1 the only true intellectual in interviews while in full regalia was always Oderus Urungus. A truly revolutionary mind. lol

[@johnnymolten7689]

Really??? I was gonna order him a copy of KISS unmasked or at least some drugs

[@SobeCrunkMonster]

more of a hillbilly

[@zephirol4638]

lmfao.... that is an intellectual to you? This is why we need to fix the school system.

[@dommyd-kd1928]

I love Sebastian Bach’s answer. It’s just music, it doesn’t have to be held to some kind of holy standard.

[@ricardoconqueso]

Sebastian gets it. There was a time when music was so elitist, only the very wealthy would ever hear it. Being snooty about music is some Louis the 14th, French aristocracy nonsense.

[@dommyd-kd1928]

Bek Coddington pretentious people are the worst

[@ChandlerBecker]

@Bek Coddington No one asked.

[@heavymetalfan1167]

Guilty pleasures are fine it's the problem is why people think something is objectively good without any irony

[@dommyd-kd1928]

Heavymetalfan 11 I feel like when it comes to music and art overall, there’s no such thing as objectively good. Everyone’s different and has their own opinions. I definitely have my favorite bands but if someone else didn’t like them and preferred Justin Bieber that doesn’t make either of us wrong or correct. Some music that is considered legendary nowadays had a terrible reception when it was first released, was it objectively bad at first but became good later? 🤔

[@DaFuqBoom]

The genre spawned a lot of not so great musicians, but on the other hand we have Soad and Korn, so no complains here.

[@ricksanchez3785]

neither of those bands are nu metal or even close to it

[@killar1one]

and linkin park

[@ricksanchez3785]

@@killar1one lmfao

[@JustThinkAboutIt2681]

@@ricksanchez3785 bro what? Korn was the band that made nu metal mainstream...

[@StonedMonkeyProductions]

@@ricksanchez3785 rofl sure thing my guy but you are wrong

[@3rd_iimpact]

Corey talking about Deftones warms my heart.

[@nastycanastas1548]

yessss

[@bhannsk8]

Maynard using the old I dont like it so it ain't music A Popular line used by grandmothers all over the world

[@surfingthedarkness]

🤣 true! Well, he is kind of an old soul.

[@dmstewart66]

He says the exact opposite. He says its not music because they focus more on marketing then on quality. Just like mcdonalds... Lol clearly you've been snacking on way too many musical mcnuggets.

[@depracated]

@@dmstewart66 As a BIG Tool fan, does Tool not do the same? With all the imagery, the "deep" lyrics, etc.. Sounds more like the pot calling the kettle black but that's Maynard...

[@bhannsk8]

@@dmstewart66 sure grandma let's get you back to bed

[@blacksheepsquadron6189]

@@depracated art and brand are different. Nu metal became trendy just like "grunge" became trendy and record companies started pushing bands like silverchair n shit. I wouldnt say tool followed trends. Its progressive metal in that it his the ingredients but theyre sound itself is unique

[@NotMuchThanks]

I feel like maybe people hate Fred Durst and they automatically assume he's the ambassador for nu metal, so they end up saying they hate nu metal.

[@bodhi8297]

Most people can’t tell you why they hate limp Bizkit or why Fred sucks. They say no substance, then you point to lyrics with substance or shitty lyrics from bands they like and they say because he’s a dbag. Honestly don’t care if a rock star is a dbag. Good music is good music. It’s time to let go of the trendy bs. Look at the music coming out in 2021. I’m sorry but even if lb isn’t your thing you can’t deny they’re a thousand times better than most of today’s garbage

[@NotMuchThanks]

@@bodhi8297 I love LB. Mostly because Otto is an absolute beast of a drummer, and Lethal and Borland are also outstanding and incredibly creative musicians. They did some objectively amazing stuff.

[@mblund8711]

@@NotMuchThanks I agree. Instrumentally Limp Bizkit is a pretty solid band. But Fred Durst drags down the overall quality and reputation of the band.

[@bodhi8297]

@@NotMuchThanks Otto is so underrated. His beats are beast

[@bodhi8297]

@@mblund8711 I disagree but to each their own. The band never would’nt have reached the success they did without him. The proof is in how polarizing of a personality he is. You either love him or hate him, theres no inbetween

[@Swpb666]

Tom morello: we basically created the genre Tom morello: we have nothing to do with it

[@riffhousestudios96]

His whole explanation was cringe

[@derekwhite9932]

@Sam thank you! It's crazy to think, but that song was huge!

[@Reign_In_Blood_963]

Anthrax: Am I a joke to you son? :arms crossed chest:

[@stevemeese9799]

@Sam Yup, way before.

[@NDCFreedom]

Tom morello is cringe if cringe were a person. I loooved RATM’s music back in high school even though the lyrics were so heavily political which I don’t really enjoy in music, but that’s just a personal preference, but every Tom morello interview I’ve seen he’s just a know it all, incompetent douche.

[@Longbajubi]

Wes Borland is one of the main reasons why this genre of music pops off in the early 90's - 2000's

[@slipvskorn]

I've never been a fan of Smashing Pumpkins but I have seen a lot of interviews with Billy Corgan and in my opinion, he seems like he is genuinely in love with music and the creation of art through sound and I find that quiet endearing

[@ALL_that_ENDS]

Music and professional wrestling..

[@bobbyloucks1000]

@@ALL_that_ENDS beat me to it lol

[@patthewoodboy]

Billy Corgans song craft is awesome , its very clever.

[@Pogoc7]

Yup, music is art and Billy gets it

[@no_name2882]

Billy, in my opinion, is one of, if not the most talented musical creator i know of. His (and his bands) style varies so much from song to song. With songs from Cherub rock to Tonight, Tonight. Their songs all vary so much. Not just between albums but within albums. Its like heavy opera. So creative. I don’t see them get enough credit for the pure art they produce.

[@skip2175]

Billy Corgan was so chill and respectful about it, just what he said was awesome.

[@hytellus]

Because Billy is actually intelligent, unlike Tom and Maynard who bash it because they don't understand/like it

[@sunbirdocto.8437]

@@hytellus Maynard is Intelligent, but he is pretty arrogant.

[@MYNAMEizCLARENCE]

@@hytellus Maynard is intelligent, but he’s the type of person who thinks he’s SO intelligent no one is on his level and could possibly get his opinions and aspects of life.

[@omnivium7096]

fibonacci!!

[@soulessshadow5356]

@@hytellus Billy Joe Armstrong too with his "I think it's shit" take for the same reason. While I like Green Day as a band, I actually really don't like Billy Joe Armstrong. Same thing with Chad Kroaker(yes I know I spelled it wrong, it was on purpose because he sounds like a frog sometimes), I hate him but I like Nickelback as a band. At least I did from their first album to 2003 but everything from 2005 up to 2013 kinda sucked in my opinion. No Fixed Address and Feed the Machine were pretty decent albums and the greatest hits album had a lot of good songs on it with a few horrible ones lol.

[@TicTacTone2]

Billy Corgan had the shortest clip in this, only about 10 seconds yet made the most sense out of anyone in the video. He is a true musician that genuinely tries to understand and appreciate other genres of music. 🤘🏼

[@ryancoby2976]

This is the comment I was looking for. No bs. No territorial contest. Just appreciation for something new. Billy won.

[@theglenlivet3372]

Billy seems to always have a well thought out opinion on topics.

[@knastvogel]

"True musician"

[@ra2alfool]

Billy, bach and chino hit the nails on the head.

[@Ludvigvanamadeus]

@@theglenlivet3372 that's as long as he isn't claiming that he had sex with a shapeshifter or when he doesn't appear on Alex Jones spewing some nonsense conpiracy theories. Besides these moments when he is clearly insane, yeah, Billy Corgan is totally a reasonable guy.

[@RIPdixiecarter]

I think bands like Korn and Linkin Park are the exact opposite of "misogynistic and fratty" most lyrics are self deprecating and misanthropic than anything . I guess its mostly testosteronic but so was practically every metal genre before the 00s Compared to Glam and death metal or pop punk Nu Metal is probably the least misogynistic of anything

[@TheUltimateNavigator1]

They mean other bands though like Nickelback

[@isaacmorrow7077]

@@TheUltimateNavigator1 which isn’t nu metal, or even metal.

[@TheUltimateNavigator1]

@@isaacmorrow7077 Nickelback does get grouped into them, especially with the new album

[@isaacmorrow7077]

@@TheUltimateNavigator1 I’m pretty sure that calling nickel back metal is one of the deadliest sins known to man.

[@C0ltrane]

He’s talking about shitty bands like limp bizcuit and just the “culture “ of nu metal

[@StonedMeadowOfDoom]

Billy Corgan is the only worthwhile opinon here. One of the goat songwriters in fact. He's always interesting to listen to in interviews too

[@arkium8639]

No one liked what he wanted to do so he kicked them out of the band....

[@smoshbooz]

@@arkium8639 yeah we all know the stories. Doesn't change the fact he is a great musician who deserves more respect than he gets

[@DaNargh42]

Billy Corgan is basically Static X's secret 5th member. He was friends and previously bandmates with the late great Wayne Static

[@nevermindgaming6848]

I agree with billie and the other people too the talent wasted making nu metal garbage

[@herdyantrikuncoro8703]

Always love Billy interviews

[@MrSteve88]

Billy (Corgan) is right again. System of a Down and Deftones alone justify that entire genre. Toxicity is one of the greatest albums ever created, in any genre.

[@juicyparsons]

FACTS

[@Sergiotanaz]

SOAD self title album is just amazing, Toxicity a piece of history. Around The Fur and White Pony, those are fire.

[@nathanforrest3483]

Fuck that stoner metal bullshit. System of a down sucks. I grew up with bands like iron maiden.

[@zackzallie8735]

@@nathanforrest3483 Ok you like different things. Cook.

[@zackzallie8735]

@@nathanforrest3483 Cool* lol

[@JorgeGomez-hc6ht]

Love how Green Day craps on music like they’re Mozart. All of their music can be played by a first year guitar student…literally.

[@HauntingSpectre]

I bought a guitar a year ago and they were some of the first songs I picked up. So you really aren't wrong. If a handicapped 30 year old can learn it in a day, it's really not that hard. (Broken my hands numerous times.)

[@dem017]

Agree with the first part. But imo simplicity and greatness are not opposed to each other by any means.

[@ChandlerBecker]

I liked green day as a kid, but strayed further away upon listening to their redundancies. Then strayed even further away upon listening to the several interviews of them shitting on things for an obvious sense of faux intellectual superiority. They've lost touch with their roots. They came from a widely demonized genre, I think of all people they should understand differing musical taste and creativity.

[@peterbenoit6043]

SO TRUE ( B F R )

[@ac-tl3xi]

😂😂😂

[@wazz35]

Linkin Park, Deftones, and System of a Down will always be great

[@killfacade2742]

Deftones and system for sure.

[@theironrubberduck]

Linkin park and soad

[@barney69]

And Korn

[@quas3728]

Limp Bizkit

[@Whatabozo9]

If we are only counting lp before minutes to midnight

[@hondawhiteguy4223]

Nu metal was cool, I don’t care what anyone says, it is the pure embodiment of what the 90’s and early 2000s were

[@importantoldnews5414]

Especially late 90s to early 2000s. Earlier 90s belonged to grunge

[@shunt5001]

My teens and early 20's were enjoyable because of it

[@RedceLL1978]

It was cool. But an embodiment of the 90s, no. It was a subgenre and a single facet of tons of different colors and shapes that the 90s offered. It also hasn't gone away.

[@CarnageAnarchist]

Grunge owned the 90s

[@shunt5001]

It was all good for its time

[@Discoveringbandsbymichaelnagy]

I know nu-metal isn't for everyone but I like it and it definitely seems to be making a come back lately!!

[@iamthatguyfromslipknot1137]

Yeah i agree as i really liked it to and still listen to alot of the bands i did back then..

[@wafflemanofficial3130]

Is it really coming back it doesn't seem so

[@-Bishop-]

I wish it could come back.

[@RoRo-vr6wx]

hope I'll die before it comes

[@sikness1924]

Thing is I think many of the bands that grew doing nu metal have changed their style with the years (makes sense) slipknot for example, compared to their first album, apart from a few songs every now and then, have changed a lot their style, specially with their third album

[@AlexK-um1tx]

Nu metal is not about SlipBizkit only, it's about Static-X, Coal Chamber, System of a Down, KoЯn, the bands that have really a lot of meaning in their lyrics and unique style, but it is easier for old asses to say that ItS nOt mEtAl iTs jUst rAp

[@mynameislove1704]

Those people is stop listening to Metal since 80s.

[@wafflemanofficial3130]

What I hate is that a lot of people don't realize that nu metal isn't just metal + rap, it has electronic, turntables and other similar elements but people are fixated only on its shitty rap side

[@postpunk69SexAndViolence]

Don't forget about Helmet. First two albums destroy my brain.

[@linkinpark4ever898]

The Hunting Party album?

[@theguyyousaw7950]

S.C.I.E.N.C.E.

[@accepthisname]

Loudwire: Let's talk about Nu metal Tom Morello: Let's talk about me.

[@JammerAma]

I love the guy's guitar playing but he's always been like this lol

[@kaisercreb]

hey he's sticking it to the man having the same opinions as WALMART xD

[@CycoShel]

What’s funny is that even after this he still opened up for Limp Bizkit in Belfast 2024

[@Blackhwk13]

He’s an asshole and hypocrite. He supported a literal terrorist group in Peru

[@wolf_biter]

Deftones transcended their genre. Truly masterful musicianship.

[@befree4876]

They were always at the top of nu metal according to my ears..

[@andrewrichardson1132]

white pony and diamond eyes are 2 of my favorite albums I have ever owned. The first cassette I ever bought was megadeth rust in peace and the first cd I ever bought was White pony.

[@rossginn5333]

They definitely had their own thing going on

[@taylorwells3723]

@@befree4876 Linkin Park was the only nu metal band I thought was great

[@bpebler]

Hell yes, the first 2 Deftones albums is what got me into the heavier, heavy, heavy stuff, personally. And also led to more talented guitarists and drummers.

[@Wolverich]

Hearing Corey talk about deftones and White Pony makes my heart warm.

[@Curt.dammit]

Funny how some people end up just as close-minded as the generations that came before them.

[@cjaquilino]

Tell that to this comment section about hip hop today.

[@spud_grrrl]

Yup

[@thereisnopandemic]

@P Mosh because Rap is not Rock. Just as if they had the Hip Hop Hall of Fame and they put Megadeth in it, people would see the absurdity and illogical reason for having them in it.

[@cjaquilino]

@P Mosh The funny thing is I can respect that it's evolved and different from how hip hop used to be and yet it's relevant and dominating the charts. Can't say either about Rock today.

[@thereisnopandemic]

@@cjaquilino mediocrity has also taken over the music industry, just as it taken the movie industry and video game industry. Mediocrity dominates the charts over the skilled, that is why rock has faded, just as good movies like Shawshank redemption was replaced by Black Widow.

[@teavirus]

when Corey talks what you see is some Halloween mask making the most on point, gentle comments about nu metal genre and music. I love that irony and def love that man.

[@TheManmoths]

Chino and Billy are so eloquent and passionate about music… it shows. They’re the ones here that make the most sense.

[@dawud7791]

When I think “nu-metal” Rage doesn’t come to mind.

[@dawud7791]

More like rap-rock

[@SebG1234]

Yeah

[@phylazen5649]

he really acting like RUN DMC "Walk This way" featuring Aerosmith never existed

[@DamageAddict]

Sweet! They’re better than that trash.

[@jconner3891]

Korn

[@montenegro_chris666]

i was eleven years old when white pony, machine, iowa, and hybrid theory came out and they provided the kind of aggression i needed. i will forever love the genre and appreciate how it has progressed over the years.

[@Roti_Gardenia]

So you’re 30 something now??

[@chaosapiant]

It's cute how Rage is taking credit for starting the genre when Faith No More preceded them by over half a decade.

[@carlosjuarez8761]

And it is cute how they think their music is intellectual

[@20xx-mm-dd]

Rage was on the radio, period. Influence can't happen when people don't hear your music. Pretending that nu metal was influenced by faith no more more than it was rage is anachronistic at best.

[@StoneTheCr0w]

@@carlosjuarez8761 it is, he has a Ph.D in Political Science. You barely finished highschool

[@carlosjuarez8761]

@@StoneTheCr0w Who is denying his degree or that he is smart? He puts out good music, actually great music - I like it- , it is just not intellectual at all - actually is the opposite to intellectual for the most part- just cliché complaints about the system, the oppression, power to the people, dreams of utopia- basically the contents of political science 101 in any random socialism-oriented college ( which are most in our country at this point)

[@CabezasDePescado]

I like Rage but their 3 albums and songs within them sound very similar and i dont think they are AS influential as Morello says, he sounds arrogant honestly

[@BackwardsBass]

I don't know when Maynard made his 'slip-bizkit' comment here, but I can say I saw Tool in 2001 at Ozzfest (UK) and they were happy to share the stage with Slipknot, Mudvayne, Disturbed, Soulfly and Papa Roach that day! Maybe he had a change of heart once they needed to promote Lateralus.

[@DefectivePieceofChalk]

Maynard is a pretentious douche. He just happens to be a really good musician too. Yet another example of why we should always separate the artist from the art.

[@The.RAGE.Master]

More likely he just exploited them to up his own ticket sales lol

[@marshallsweatherhiking1820]

@@DefectivePieceofChalk I think his fans are more pretentious than he is. He has a unique singing style that can't really be matched by anyone else, but Tool is kind of hit and miss as far as lyrical content. The music is always good, but Mynard can be kind of cringey.

[@noswearingacc]

pretty sure hes joking

[@Katharsis540]

Maynard just trolls.

[@rankin1289]

I don't give a shit what anyone has to say. Wes Borland is a badass.

[@0326Vet]

He's very talented, probably the one saving grace to the band imo

[@chazzmccloud36]

I play bass in a hack band. During sound checks I like to bust out the "Rearranged" riff; it's almost universally recognized and it's guaranteed to piss off half the audience.

[@nevermindgaming6848]

Wasted his talents

[@jmlm5479]

@Sam he wasn't bad, sometimes a jackass, yes.

[@shadowstalker1515]

@Sam It would be very interesting to hear LB with a different frontman. Mike Patton, Max Cavelera, or even some power metal frontmen might be an interesting fit. Would love to hear it

[@miaferrari958]

In all fairness, most of these interviews are from the early 2000's, a time when being catty, petty and close minded as hell was "the culture". Nu metal was really hated at the time too, it was "the other" for a lot of genres (pop, punk, metal) and speaking of it positively was rare and almost rebellious. I wouldn't be surprised if most of these musicians had grown out of that mentality by now.

[@Xeroforte]

Good point

[@rafaelbriganti502]

You are right.

[@LeechGeist]

Highly doubt it. They just put out a HBO documentary on Woodstock 99 and it was largely just trashing nu metal. Particularly, Fred Durst.

[@conbitches]

@@LeechGeist That documentary was such fake-woke bullshit with a bunch of talking heads that had little to no credibility. The only “musician” in it was Moby who’s basically the President of the soy-boy moment. It was sooo contrived and such an obvious attempt to grab attention from the cancel culture audience.

[@Manvel30]

@@LeechGeist For those of us who grew up in the 90’s it was definitely timing. All the nu-metal bands they were trashing later surpassed the others in hits and record sales especially Linkin Park they dominated every chart. Most of their greatest hits came in 2000’s. To this day they have more views on KZbin than any other bands of their time literally billions.

[@EdouardPicard0224]

Billy Corgan never fails to be the voice of reason once again.

[@vicconn1050]

Of course billy corgan says it’s fantastic. He’s a true musician. I think real true musicians will never poopoo a genre.

[@dw89music73]

Well, he also praised Chad Kroeger of Nickelback.

[@Frost11511]

@@dw89music73 and?

[@dw89music73]

@@Frost11511 It's an example of what Vic Conn is saying here, that he thinks real true musicians never diss a genre or musicians.

[@nathanbraun2067]

@@dw89music73 based and redpilled

[@sotsindustries1]

Billy knows his stuff.

[@c0ntrolledchaos]

you can REALLY tell which musicians would be fun to hangout with here lol.

[@mynameislove1704]

Billie Joe is the example of annoying people in a group

[@KeepTheGates]

All of the ones that like it, right? Nobody that dislikes the genre is a good person or deserves to live.

[@c0ntrolledchaos]

@@KeepTheGates man you must think pretty low of people. it's their attitude, not opinion that matters. I'm not even a big fan of nu metal, I listen to some Deftones every now and then but that's it 🤷

[@sikness1924]

@UCozmWjbBXQq-N_WCqbNffEw man if you say that someone is like "Mcdonalds and should be put in another list that is not music" just because you dislike a genre you are an asshole. I really like everything I have listened by Tool but come on, Maynard can be so up his own ass sometimes

[@c0ntrolledchaos]

@@sikness1924 exactly

[@KvltKrist]

It's music and a way to express yourself. I'm not a fan of Nu Metal but why talk shit about it like it matters?

[@g.koch.]

Might fear that they could get irrelevant or their spot light of center fades for another 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Madchris8828]

Fair enough. I grew up listening to that genre and have a special place in my heart for it, no matter if the lyrics are goofy or not. They are fun to me lol. I don't get the massive hate boner for the genre that some people have

[@auto_5]

MadChris2249 same. And some of the lyrics do go beyond just goofy and emo/sulky. Actually a lot do. But I’m sure you’re well aware. 🤘

[@Madchris8828]

@@auto_5 haha. Thanks Jake. I actually listened to some Limpbizkit with my buddy while hanging out the other day. Break stuff is just fun!

[@auto_5]

MadChris2249 lol yeah that one is always a good pump up song

[@VAMPUREST]

ok listen no matter how much you hate nu-metal or say it’s poser music or whatever nu-metal was and always will be an amazing subgenre. they said that they’re frat music that sing about chicks? i can name so many nu-metal artists that put their soul into their music like have you even listened to any other artist to be able to say that? as a black person nu-metal is so important to me because it makes me so happy seeing my culture influence metal artists and be able to listen to both. I’ll always love nu-metal

[@zabacinjsh]

For sure. its boomer mentality elitists who only ever heard of the one band that was most likely the least favorite for a lot of peeps deep in the genre. Hearing Ice T with body count still convey things very real to people to me is great, not only are they keeping the genre alive, but they are doing so while handling heavy topics. I feel like Morello never heard a band other than limp bizkit to say the things he says. SOAD much like RATM sung about politics a lot, and they were a lot bigger in the nu metal circles. limp bizkit was the average joe's understanding of the genre imo

[@corncobbob2326]

true and as a person that likes a bit of everything music-wise (not so much with country and a few other genres i'm so sorry), when it comes to nu-metal I'm like "idfc I like jamming to these songs!"

[@greghauser742]

@@zabacinjsh Except a lot of millenials also think nu metal is shit, and Body Count is not nu metal, what are you smoking?

[@kevindoran9389]

I think when people say they hate nu metal, what they're actually saying is they hate Fred Durst.

[@celescence]

Agree

[@erectoelectro7671]

@@celephais5748 Fred Durst was the first troll in the world.

[@aibansharailyngdoh8608]

Hehehe

[@Ghost7065]

Who doesn't?

[@nemesisfilms4942]

The whole reason people hate Limp Bizkit. If Fred wasn’t the lead singer of that band, I don’t think people would’ve hated them.

[@ReidGarwin]

Chinos words are so significant, they had to be edited out

[@sinKrin]

There were 7 of them

[@dw89music73]

Also, Chino said this about nu metal in general as Deftones went on, using Korn as an example. "As Korn go on, it's the same things-bad childhoods and mean moms. It gets too old after a while. How old is Jonathan? Thirty? How long has it been since he lived with his parents?"

[@DeathwingDuck]

@@dw89music73 Chino's lightened up a lot since he kicked his drug habit. It's been great seeing him actually doing more and more collabs with other artists in recent times. Hell I believe Chino even shit on Linkin Park at one point and just in the past year Deftones had Mike Shinoda remix the song "Passenger" on the 20th anniversary re-release of White Pony.

[@SX1995able]

@@DeathwingDuck I dont think he ever did it out of hatred. He Just was drunk and said dumb things. Stefan (guitarist) was friends with Chester and he is in Chester's MTV Cribs hanging out and theres a photo of him carrying Chester's daughter and Chino used to talk to Fred Durst a lot in the old days. I think it's mostly Just the California in him plus the drugs that made him be an asshole

[@futurescrub1517]

@@sinKrin DED😂😂😂 Good song!

[@DoctorMotorcycle]

IMO System of a Down legitimizes the whole category. System's first album and Mezmerize are my favorite music albums of all-time. A lot of what SOAD talked about was government corruption, genocide, mass murder, consumerism etc. So IDK what Tom was going about.

[@anophelesnow3957]

SOAD and Serj are musical explorers, they have done Nu Metal, but of course Morello won't admit it, he and Serj work together.

[@WildHeart7777]

Amen.

[@TacticalMetalhead]

@No Nope lol solid

[@purethinking269]

Check out Japanese metal. It's Alive and well

[@dewilew2137]

one band out of hundreds, and you that one band should define the lyrical content of an entire genre?

[@vectoralphaSec]

I never understood the hate NuMetal gets. It's a good genre of music. Rap and Metal go well together. I don't hate any music genre, they all have their merits.

[@corncobbob2326]

any reasons as to why it's hated bc I like some songs of some bands there. and I've heard of rap and metal work together before. PA PA YA! is a fun example.

[@adamcz3183]

It's just a bunch of lames hating on it. It's a thousand percent better than the emo that followed it

[@RsBanez]

Because it's not really rooted from heavy metal, and it's much more experimental, poppy and punkish compared to the subgenres considered true metal. Which is not really a bad thing, we already have too many heavy, thrash, death and black metal bands, and bands like Slipknot and Deftones wouldn't have their unique sound if they were real metal.

[@thelettertwelve5789]

@@RsBanez whenever I see some old hair metal dude talk bad about Nu Metal. I just imagine a bunch of nerdy band kids staring in disgust at their new, popular class/band mate😂

[@Keque]

Gatekeepers dude

[@dinorosa2887]

Gotta love how the bassist for Jinjer says “Brrrr Brrr Deng”

[@SerniczeqOfficial]

That's how we read it in slavic countries

[@wildhog4251]

It's cool that the admitted he's greatly influenced by Ryan Martinie. They both are great bassists.

[@jaydeochinero3820]

Maybe that's why I love jinjer so much fucking love them mudvayne will always be my top though listen to them more than anyone else well and slaughter to prevail vocals

[@tomleermusic]

@@jaydeochinero3820 Same! Can’t wait to hear some of their new stuff…

[@wolfhawk1999]

Is that a Mudvayne reference?

[@Blyegh]

Green Day’s opinion can be recognized as legitimate when they explain wtf their newer material is. Edit: So many of you have come out of the wood works to relentlessly shit on Green Day, and I have to say that it warms my cold heart. Please, by all means, tell me more about how much you hate Green Day.

[@tigerskone2945]

It's horrible

[@tj5416]

Trueeee

[@BrownBear636]

Lmao let em know

[@Mike-rt2vp]

I would never respect their opinion either way. They had some of the most crowd pleaser sounds I've ever heard in my life. Pretty much pop my book.

[@Eskimo_iio]

Green Day always sucked.

[@JamesBiggar]

'If I don't do it then it's s---, WAH!' is basically every critic's opinion. I think some people are just so butthurt about competition that it numbs their brains.

[@LeadMe2TheBliss]

You're right, and it's a beautiful thing because it shows how truly powerful and impactive this genre of music was and still is today!

[@ethansblue3studioscreat134]

welcome to my WORLD as a new underground artist vs EVERY major label band... out there...... 💎🎶🎶🎶🧬🤟👽

[@LeadMe2TheBliss]

@Mooky Nu metal isn't really a "black" thing, however rap metal definitely is! Nu Metal bands like Korn didn't really have the rap vibes, they had guest rappers like Ice Cube on their earlier albums but most of Korns body of work has more of an Alternative/Metal vibe in my opinion, especially the last 3 albums, their influences come more from bands like Pantera, faith no more, Primus, Dokken, RHCP, Metallica, ETC!

[@kobrien6657]

Butthurt would only apply if it was actually a "competition". I don't like the growling, I'm an old school metal guy, as far as singing is concerned. I don't see competition from something I'm not interested in to begin with, they certainly are not competing with anything that I would listen to. There also seems to be plenty of room for everyones taste these days with technology, nobody is really " competing" to get a record deal with a label anymore, I record all the instruments myself in my garage with a computer, from drums and guitars to vocals and percussion, no labels, no paying for studio time or engineers. It's a different world for musicians than the one I grew up in (42 years old). Opinions are like smelly buttholes, we all have them and everyone else thinks they stink😋.

[@hllridr]

@@Deadsk You being so triggered over that comment is exactly what he's talking about.

[@helpwanted134]

Hearing a musical genius like Billy Corgan approve of nu metal, really made my day

[@zbUck069]

Same lol

[@lowlyfe2497]

Just one more reason I love Corey Taylor. Hes such a chill dude and listening to him talk is alot like Rob Zombie. For being such a humongous influence in music and being so successful they're still so down to earth. Just normal dudes doing what they love.

[@CitizenSniiiips]

man hearing him talk about deftones like an actual fan was a surprise to me. another reason to love the guy

[@bodhi8297]

Yeah Corey Tyler kicks ass!

[@keelychow4569]

Both Corey Taylor and Conor McGregor kick more ass than MGK.

[@WSlopeAggie]

@@CitizenSniiiips but what metalhead in their right mind doesn't at least appreciate Deftones, yk?

[@ChandlerBecker]

@@keelychow4569 MGK wishes he could be a fraction of the musician Corey Taylor is. Every word he says represents jealousy lol.

[@explosionate]

i love greenday and tool. but they sound pretty elitist here when they are not far off from this genre in the grand scheme of things lol.

[@s-dew]

Idunno bro. Billie just said that he doesnt like it. Who sounds elitist tho are tool for sure.

[@FirebirdCamaro1220]

Almost reminds me of how Fat Mike (from NOFX) doesn't like ANY metal, which is kind of a bummer, because my two favorite genres of music are Thrash metal and Hardcore punk, and NOFX are one of my favorite punk bands. Oh well

[@s-dew]

@@FirebirdCamaro1220 its just a opinion in the end so you are allowed to listen to both.

[@donacello789]

@@FirebirdCamaro1220 look i love NOFX as much as the mext guy, but fat mike isnt the person to follow with musical opinions, he mostly just listens to LA punk rock. Listen to what ya listen to

[@OrphansCorpse]

@Nobody in 2021 it is. Having an opinion actually makes you a nazi.

[@doomslayer8684]

At least we get to know what Corey Taylor thinks

[@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000]

Doom 3 song is NU METAL

[@Faboofighter]

Corey Taylor has an interview every 35 seconds

[@maxspoimer8420]

You know it’s refreshing to see what corey taylor has to say, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an interview with him. Especially from loud wire

[@imawormbeforeiamman6052]

@@maxspoimer8420 i get it

[@bomoore9872]

@@maxspoimer8420 i have. My favorite one is when he drags pop music and calls it insulting. I live by those words.

[@ishanray]

Say what you want about Billy Corgan, but he has always been pretty accepting of other singers and genres. Also remember, he was one of only a handful of musicians who supported downloading music and Napster.

[@jonathankeith524]

I think the band that nailed Nu Metal the best is Linkin Park. When I think "Nu Metal", I think of them. Perfect blend of guitar distortion, DJing, screaming, and rapping.

[@comradesam3382]

Personaly, I still like Linkin Park, altho they have went more, how to put it, light(?) I guess. The last few songs they did befor Chester died felt less metal (idk how else to put it)

[@darksecret6050]

@@comradesam3382 They weren't Nu-Metal technically. They were very experimental with every album. The first two albums sound like Nu-Metal but after that, not anymore, I'd say. I think they should be put in Alternative Rock. PS: And also in Legend Rock😅

[@demonoising]

Their first record appeared when "nu metal" was nothing new.

[@fish4814]

Tallah is a recent example I like to point to for nu metal that slaps

[@stellarzoneproductions]

Linkin Park is cool, but dude, this French nu metal band called Pleymo had an album out in 1999. You HAVE to check it out. They shaped the formula for Hybrid Theory.

[@Jmjm-wl7pd]

Lets hear what zakk wylde had to say about limp bizkit

[@RavenBlaze420]

Zakk though a great guitarist was never truly openminded about music. He doesn't like hip hop and has stated on stage multiple times his distain for nu metal acts despite touring with some of them. Goes to show money talks more even if it involves things you don't like.

[@Jmjm-wl7pd]

@@RavenBlaze420 shit man well put but deeper then what you stated that seems to be life in general good form bro

[@conkcreet1344]

I have no clue why he hates limp bizkit. Fred actually isnt that bad of a dude and they do have some good songs.

[@aleksastamenkovic5526]

@@conkcreet1344 Wes Borland is also a great guitarist and wrote some catchy ass riffs. Same goes for their bassist. I think people mainly hate Limp Bizkit cause of Fred Durst, who i actually dont mind listening to at all cause i grew up on that stuff and cant imagine them without Fred.If they had a different singer many people would love and apprechiate their music.

[@conkcreet1344]

@@aleksastamenkovic5526 but freds not a bad guy and his voice isnt bad. If people say hes an asshole id hate to break it to them but other frontmen are worse. I mean i love slipknot but Corey is literally known for being a dick

[@valtheemokid4005]

I don't care what anyone says I love Nu-Metal but it does have flaws

[@fhirdvnk7327]

Eww an emo

[@crypt3728]

@@fhirdvnk7327 bro stfu

[@KeepTheGates]

Eww an emo

[@metaldog4642]

It was a trend. I love it too. The original bands are “Here to Stay” 😂

[@YHVLL]

@@KeepTheGates stfu...its more gross and sucks if its an emo rapper

[@chrissmiles2456]

You can tell Morello loves to listen to himself speak.

[@amoghpatki5596]

He wrote his own Wikipedia

[@Ljounieh]

Right?? RATM created new metal? Lol

[@punjabicommie1215]

@@Ljounieh they influenced it definitely

[@COhlen]

@@punjabicommie1215 hardly. groove metal bands like pantera and sepultura influenced nu-metal bands way more.

[@Fl0d3r]

My dog wear the same bandana.

[@juliendidelot]

I've been defending Nu-Metal for years because as Billy Corgan says, it's the mix of all these different genres that makes this style unique. Of course, some bands represent this thing quite awkwardly but if I had to introduce a person to this environment it would be Nu-Metal because much more accessible!

[@aking8477]

My big takeaway from this whole video is that Corey is a Deftones fan. That kind of made my night. I fucking love the deftones, but I never really expected the guys from Slipknot to be into it. I feel just a little bit closer to the band now. LOL

[@dylanarthur5526]

Corey is a fan of a lot of stuff. I've seen him bring up many different kinds of artists and bands he likes in interviews.

[@coletrain3599]

That's how I felt when I found out he was a dead Kennedy's fan

[@leemeyer7629]

The Deftones? That's just embarrassing

[@dapaintbrush6965]

@@leemeyer7629 how. Its peoples opinion

[@leemeyer7629]

@@dapaintbrush6965 There's no band called THE deftones

[@ville666sora]

Never disliked Billie Joe before, but here we are. He just sounds so elitist here. Thought he wasn't like that tbh.

[@AprehamLincoln]

Really? Mister "Do you know who I am? Do you know how long I've been doing this? You can't cut my set short!" himself! That dude is so far up his own ass he's getting another taste of last night's dinner

[@sandollor]

Which is so funny because he and Green Day got shit on by first and second wave punks big time in the '90s. I hate gatekeepers, no matter the genre.

[@felipepa5693]

@@AprehamLincoln That's the first thing I thought when I first read this comment and I was about to comment this. He tryna sound like punk, but he is just a stupid asshole

[@hmpz36911]

Sorry, Snowflake, but disliking something doesn't make you an elitist. Besides, fake punks can't be elitists.

[@TheKarret]

@@hmpz36911 Lol they can if they think they're real punks. BOOM, GOTTEM.

[@mikegendron6090]

Beastie Boys are the Godfathers of mixing Rock and rap together they do not get nearly the credit they deserve

[@Staticbrain]

I dont want the beatsie boys associated with nu metal good sir.

[@jlobiafra]

For real ​@@Staticbrain

[@joshuafult84]

Because they didn't mix Metal into their music. It's Nu Metal not Nu Rock Lol

[@mikegendron6090]

@joshuafult84 Obviously you never heard the song Sabotage

[@jlobiafra]

@@mikegendron6090 that's more punk influenced which they have always done

[@diegoflores3831]

Tom Morello sounded so weird to me like "what are your thoughts on nu metal" -" yeah rage against the machine was fucking awesome, we'd make an album every for years" Like wtf xD I get he's explaining the context of his opinion but he sounded like he just started talking about his band out of nowhere, being completely indifferent to the question

[@dylanstankewicz850]

It probably fits better in the context of his interview than a segment this video

[@ramblingrenegade6346]

Honestly it just seems like Tom Morello to shoehorn his ego in there, the dude has become everything he used to write songs about XD

[@freddiefromicarlyofficial2983]

He was basically making the argument that his band wasn't making albums quickly enough to satisfy the demand and thus "worse" bands spawned off of them. I think all he's referring to in this case is hearing Limp Bizkit and no other bands. He's being arrogant.

[@jxke]

Tom's a douchebag. Their band broke up before they finished their 3rd album and then they rode Chris Cornells coat tails into obscurity.

[@luisagudelo8897]

@@jxke You just spoke facts

[@dankoz5975]

I'm composer. And for me it's always confusing to hear from serious musician that nu metal is bad. How it is? Nu metal have the most diverse bands. Even the most popular bands from that genre have absolutely different sound, songwriting, arrangement and ideas.

[@yesbutactuallyno4245]

Interesting point.

[@cristianoferreira824]

True! I have a feeling they think nu metal is Limp Bizkit only

[@SX1995able]

@@cristianoferreira824 If we are being honest, If You take the actual músicians in Limp Bizkit by themselves, they're really good,in the first álbum especially. Theres Jazz drums, grindcore esque guitars and the Last track Everything is basically a quasi post rock song

[@cristianoferreira824]

@@SX1995able I know and I actually like lots of their stuff, but they pointed out the hip hop style, misogynistic lyrics etc. which somehow I relate to them (Fred Durst mainly)

[@southofheck]

My theory is a lot of people listen to stuff like Limp Bizkit, Saliva, or Papa Roach first, and then assume Nu Metal is just rap rock with whiney vocalists. Which, I can’t blame them too much for that, but it sucks because it gave bands like SOAD, Slipknot, Deftones, Static-X, Powerman-5000, and so on a bad name just by association.

[@atomram6890]

corey giving props to deftones, respect

[@brandongordon2392]

So here’s my thing… as a person of color… Nu-Metal basically was my gateway getting into rock… having that hip hop element was dope for me. Seeing Linkin Park and Korn really incorporate those elements where cold to me. The genre introduced me to the likes of Deftones, Coal Chamber, Static X, System of a Down and Slipknot I do agree with Tom Morello with the aspect of how some bands in the sub genre basically put this misogynistic, frat-esque aspect, however, I feel that post-Grunge did that way more and way worse.. I feel they basically singled out Limp Bizkit there.

[@diegosotomiranda4107]

It's incredible how sour they are about a band that never took themselves seriously and happened to have bangers that millions of people enjoyed, the stuck up mentality that defies of what rock was, they hate limp biskit cause they sang about parties and "going crazy" when they had other themes in their lyrics, but still if they only had the "rollin" lyrics, rock always had this "party" vibe, hell how much classic rock songs talk about partying all night or getting wasted? People forgot glam rock, even since the 60s there we're light hearted and party rock songs and nobody flinched, it seems they hate that a band that have members that don't hate themselves or their parents and were succesfull without becoming depressed f*cks after that (like most of the people talking s*it in The vídeo)

[@tommywright2487]

@@diegosotomiranda4107 did you even listen to what Tom Morrello was saying? Y’all really only hear watchu want to hear

[@ButterclawEnthusiast]

what's misogynistic or anti-women about nu metal? just because it's the type of shit frat boys listen to doesn't make it anti-women.

[@BOMNN]

@@ButterclawEnthusiast they dont even hear the records, most LB songs are about moving on

[@sirquacksalot6463]

What’s wrong with misogyny in music??

[@HOWEZY4769]

I notice that a lot of these guys talk about nu metal the same way their parents, grandparents or adults around them at the time would react to rock and heavy metal. Let people enjoy the shit they wanna

[@hiwayhighway9925]

Well said

[@jry0511]

Difference here is grandma and grandpa were kinda right about nu-metal. 98% of it aged like milk.

[@jry0511]

@gothbitch every decade has it's subpar acts, but the difference between the big acts in alternative/grunge of the 90s and the big acts of numetal/alternative in the late 90s/early 2000s are like night and day. Staind, Papa Roach, POD, and Limp Bizkit cannot hold a candle to Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains.

[@KainiusTheGreat]

When Billy Corgan speaks, I listen. The guy writes music from the future CONSTANTLY! Their albums sell kinda iffy but never fail, 5-6 years later it's the new sound. Plus, what he said is true for all music: intermingling of genres almost always creates better music down the road.

[@gwynbleidd9000]

Nu Metal isn’t better than other metal sub genres. It actually the worst one

[@KainiusTheGreat]

@@gwynbleidd9000 I mostly agree with you (I really don't like stoner doom, but for me nu metal is 2nd worse). Also, I never said nu metal was any good so your comment is a bit confusing.

[@Dodsodalo]

I think Grind is the worst cuz it's about being harshest sounding. But there is still decent Grind out there.

[@Eckythump]

I also like Corgan, but how his music evolves doesn't always sit well with my tastes. I mean, I love Gish and Siamese Dreams is in my top 10 favourite albums ever, but pretty much anything after Melon Collie I haven't enjoyed. Maybe I need to revisit some of their later albums again.

[@ra2alfool]

@@Eckythump check Zwan.. honestly disliked what Billy was doing there but years later I love it. Guys a true artist

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

If you're a true musician, you are always open to musical genres and influences from all sides. That means you don't always have to like everything (because personal flavor varies) but at least consider listening and getting exposed to different genres and types of music. Just as it helps to have played different instruments a few times.

[@notxvexorr4379]

And that goes for all artists/creative people. Whether it's music, art, cinema, writing, etc,

[@HauntingSpectre]

I listen to just 'bout everything and my KZbin "Recommended Playlist" Is a thing of complete chaos. Classical, like Beethoven and Mozart, Folk music, from the 30s-80s, including in 6+ languages, Pop-punk, Pop, Heavy Metal, Thrash, Grunge, Bit of Hip hop, EDM, to straight Orchestra or experimental. I don't like everything in each genre, but it's pretty hard to find a genre with nothing in it for me. Morello and Billy are just mad that a lot of Nu Metal bands out sold them. Plain and simple, they believe themselves to be better than everyone and thus should have more success. Ego is the killer of creativity.

[@rayres1074]

No true Scotsman. You don't have to care for every new shit out there really.

[@rabbitlunatic]

@@HauntingSpectre I relate with this a ton

[@ChandlerBecker]

@@rayres1074 Of course not, this goes for those who shit on people for having a different musical "cup of tea" I think.

[@rojeliorodriguez4544]

Corgans word holds more weight over that of anyone from Green Day

[@Pedalbored]

Billy said he’s leaving American. Still hasn’t but goddamn I wish he would!

[@frankmarr7033]

Funny you say that cause they’re touring together this year. Isn’t that an odd mix?

[@empiremusicpromotions]

Nu Metal has always been incredible. It has spawned so many albums that have helped so many people through the darkest of times. To hear musicians try to undermine the importance of this genre by stating that it is not as credible in nature as their own message is sad to see. The fact is, Nu Metal has saved countless lives and has offered up memorable songs that kill it by even today's math-metal standards.

[@BenelliAkimbo]

I agree with this comment 👍 this is exactly what I was thinking

[@empiremusicpromotions]

@Maldito Mur They love you when you aren't known by the masses and turn on you when you are. You really can't win if you care about the opinions of others.

[@Kevin111ist]

Numetal was one of the last few metal genres that focused on melody. I just wish more bands these days focused on melody instead of djenting for four straight minutes.

[@williamlindroos2250]

Mmmmm, at least it was maybe. I definitely wouldn't say that it is now.

[@greghauser742]

There's already way too many bands in rock and metal music overusing melody.

[@davelombardo9035]

I love nu metal but come on this is a wild claim. Power metal, heavy metal, thrash metal, melodeath, electronic metal have toooonnnes of modern bands and artists who are melody-centric

[@GZas]

I never got how people can put Slipknot and Crazy Town in the same genre

[@blackmetalerik]

because they're both nu metal

[@davidventura-paz9740]

They're both nu metal like it or not my guy! Oh wow just cuz one band wears masks and mosh pits and doble base drumming don't mean shit... they both have the essence of Nu Metal

[@keafoleafo8368]

Quality doesn't determine what genre they're a part of

[@baileymoyer9777]

I think Rick beats said it best, slipknot isn’t a nu metal band. They have made some nu metal songs, but they’ve experimented with so many different sounds they’re not nu metal

[@Booyabocka]

It’s easy to come to that conclusion if you’ve ever listened to Slipknot and Crazy Town…

[@sissymarie2912]

Nu metal was like any other genre. Only a handful of the artists who fell under that label and became successful were truly great and the others were so so. Like the Deftones created some really amazing music with staying power. And, they've got a cohesive style that's unique and recognizable without every song having to conform to a "sound". I've never thought of them as belonging to a certain genre. To me really great music isn't concerned with fitting into a particular style. The style arises from what you're trying to express.

[@deep_cover1879]

Tool is great but man every time MJK opens his mouth it further cements him as a pretentious knob IMO.

[@Satans_Financial_Advisor]

I bet he's a blast at parties...

[@saltyzu8412]

If there is one man that should be… it’s him

[@orygunchainsawmassacre6761]

He’s a genius in his own mind.

[@derekwhite9932]

Yeah, I get that, at the same time it makes me think of female comedians. They always use sex and their looks instead of great material.

[@SirDieALot666]

@Sam Regular Tool fan are basicly a Tool, wearing their shirts taking GMK as a god, while he mocks about this kind fanbase.

[@markoruzak8475]

So amazed and proud to see Jinjer here, in the same line with Slipknot, Green Day and Maynard. Wish you guys all the best

[@marioman8419]

Blew my mind when I first heard Jinjer

[@TheKnives777]

Deftones are still making amazing albums, where's Green Day now?

[@MacabreDaymare]

Making super """controversial"""" political takes and sucking at music.

[@diegosotomiranda4107]

@@MacabreDaymare just like Tom Morello and Maynard, figures out how shitty (or nonexistent) their artistic work became at the same time we know more tjan ever about their "controversial" takes

[@tombook2155]

@@diegosotomiranda4107 fans waited 2 decades for new tool album. came out and it sounds the same as their first album.

[@ifix21]

@@diegosotomiranda4107 Bold of you to make such claim about Tom Morello. Dude literally has multiple musical projects. Also, just because you dont agree politicaly or ideologicaly with some takes that doesnt mean that these are controversial takes

[@zachh.9065]

@@tombook2155 that would really be saying something if their first album wasn't mid

[@EskenRock]

I'm glad Billi Joe went through his transition so smoothly.

[@OEMPlus]

billy joe (professional idiot) "it sucks" billy corgan (actual musical genius) "its great and has big cultural implications" a tail of two billies.

[@albertogonzalez7838]

*Billie Joe

[@scottyshot]

@@albertogonzalez7838 still same pronunciation

[@nevermindgaming6848]

Nah he's right

[@nevermindgaming6848]

@Worm lol keep crying

[@salomey5]

@Worm Ooh, i forgot about that function! Thanks for the reminder! Now I'm going to put *you* on mute because I can't stand pretentious know-it-alls who act like music critics online. Ta ta! 😙

[@Shambles27]

I remember Steve Vai said something about listening to the radio and hearing Korn for the first time. It blew his mind how they were using a 7 string and the tones they were putting out

[@jeancarlosantolalla]

Nu Metal was the last time guitars and riffs were mainstream. Simple as that.

[@justinwilder3514]

I don’t care for the new age of metal. The super fast almost scale type guitar and chug breakdowns with sonic playing drums, I like the rhythm changes, tempo changes, scream/clean/almost rap and sure enough riffs that were melodically put together.

[@jeancarlosantolalla]

@@J.PC.Designs LMAO. It's true.

[@diyit0]

Nah, I would say pop punk was the last time guitars and riffs were mainstream

[@psyche234]

Nah, a lot of indie musicians now are killing it with great guitar parts.

[@cochayuyo1084]

What about Post punk revival

[@robertonome2448]

I'll start using "Tom Morello" as my go to antonym for "humble"

[@rofyle]

Literally everyone back then who complained about nu-metal did so because they were piss scared that nu-metal was going to wipe them off the map like grunge did to hair metal. Think about it. Tool was still a relatively unknown band, Green Day was already tired tripe, and nobody liked "Empire" from RATM. Artists were scared. Korn and Limp Bizkit were skull stomping everyone in the charts, and artists were scared.

[@SlightlyTallerOne]

Bro its nu metal lol ppl werent scared they just didnt like it. Its one of the hardest genres to get into imo. Mostly cuz most acts are dogshit but there are a few good bands

[@thefan1629]

If you're talking about charts you should have mentioned Linkin park in your comment since it's undoubtedly the most influential nu metal band ever.

[@bodhi8297]

@Mooky no one liked it yet chocolate starfish is the fastest selling rock album ever. Interscope made Fred VP. Basically giving him power that no artist has ever had before with a label the size and influence that interscope had back then. Even zack Wild said his label came to him and said sound more like limp Bizkit. Yeah why would they be scared right? Everything they had was being hit by a tidal wave of a new look and sound. And once nu metal died so did the success of rock music. It’s never been the same since. Still stuck doing heavy metal for 40 years now.

[@kanglongshankz3313]

Tool gained mainstream success immediately with the single 'Sober' and blew up in 1996 with Aenima. They were massive and at their peak during nu metal's peak (2001). You're right about the other bands though.

[@rofyle]

@@thefan1629 They're not even nu metal. Aerosmith/Run DMC - megahit Anthrax/Public Enemy - megahit Beastie Boys - megahit Blondie - Rapture - megahit People act like mixing metal/rock with rap is some new thing that came along in the 90s. No. It's been around since the 70s, and it's always been a hit. In fact, Blondie's Rapture has the distinction of being the first rap song ever to reach #1 on the Billboard sales chart. What Korn and LB did different was tune their instruments down. That's what made it nu metal. Korn didn't even feature any rap on their first album, so how are you going to define nu metal as metal mixed with rap? Linkin Park was the last of the grunge bands.

[@claudiasolomon1123]

"That's just me being rhythmic." Tommy, rap IS rhythmic. Its a genre that HEAVILLY focuses on rhythm.

[@strictnine5684]

He isn’t saying rap isn’t rhythmic. He’s pointing out that much of the metal scene has always been that way.

[@francismcalister7811]

Never got the hate about Nu Metal. Basically every Millennial/early Zoomer got into metal with either Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit or Slipknot and most music from that era is valid to this day

[@damndoor3570]

I'd say alot of us had/have parents who listened to metallica maiden priest etc and that's how we got into metal.

[@midasiscariot]

It's mostly a very awkward blend of hip hop with metal and the coming-of-millenium aesthetics. Like all things raging for the future, it became a very dated thing of the past.

[@williamkoscielniak7871]

I'm a millennial and I got into metal through Guns N Roses and Metallica, and then later on Megadeth, Slayer, Morbid Angel, etc. I never got into any Nu Metal band except for System and I think that's because they don't really sound all that Nu-metal in the first place. I'm not disparaging anyone who likes the genre. I just wanted to point out that being a millennial and getting into metal through nu-metal is not applicable to me.

[@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind]

When I was a kid, I uses to be scared of Metal music, like a hell lot. My uncle/godfather is your typical old school metalhead and I was scared of him and what he listened (Krator, Slayer, Metallica, etc), that whenever I was forced to visit him, I would grab his cassette tapes and hide them. As years passed and I was getting more acquainted with music channels (MTV, VH1, among others), I got into bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit, Disturbed and, of course, Linkin Park. However, I never paid close attention to the "Metal" side of things but that of the rapping vocals. To this day, nonetheless, I think this music genre we all know as "Nu Metal" might have deeply (and unconsciously) helped me to overcome the irrational fear I had towards Metal in general. Currently I listen to Prog rock/Metal and jazz and its derivations (particularly jazz fusion), but I'm also open to a wide variety of other metal genres and music styles in general. With that said, I can't hate on Nu Metal at all, and will honestly never understand the hatred it gets. To me, I guess, it is all a matter of attachment and not knowing how to let go that is getting others to hate on it. But what do I know. Love music. Music is not supposed to divide but unify us all.

[@marcbousaleh]

Nu metal helped alot of people through tough times with bands like Linkin Park, i believe this genre was better than what people make it out to be.

[@19RaxR91]

The problem is, most people associate Nu-Metal with Fred Durst, when if we actually pay attention to the themes mostly explored in the genre, I view it as somewhat of a continuation from the grunge era, even if aesthetically the both genres differ.

[@zippyplaysdrums2756]

Think I agree with both of you here. LP has basically helped me through my life but people like Fred Durst have fucked up the idea of what Nu Metal is, some dick head rapping about girls. But then if you listen to Linkin Park, Korn or Slipknot they all have similar lyrical themes of depression, abuse and anxiety. Plus the musicianship is really good. It’s not overly complicated but it still stands out

[@wolfhawk1999]

I think it's circling back around. A lot of the hate for My Metal is passing, even in the metal scene. Hence the NuMetalcore genre haha

[@bellabliss1860]

RIP Chester Bennington, 4 years tomorrow.

[@chrishawkins32014]

Damn. 😓 still can’t believe that one

[@divyanshuchouhan7257]

it still hurts same. RIP

[@Destruction1983]

@@divyanshuchouhan7257 :/ damn man. Linkin park got me into nu/metal

[@fentanyljew9511]

RIP Discovering hybrid theory at 12 was life changing

[@gagypetkovic]

@@fentanyljew9511 same here,12 years.

[@sextonhardcastle1940]

Incubus was freaking great as a nu metal/ alt metal band

[@BOMNN]

yeah man wtf Calgone and Redefine are gems they moved to a yeye-ass sound its not the same

[@1OOOODAY5]

@@BOMNN you gotta love S.C.I.E.N.C.E, one of the best albums ever imo

[@kermitthehermit9588]

@@1OOOODAY5 it’s so good. Most of their stuff is awesome

[@JacksContent]

Maynard saying "slip bizkit" is just so funny to me

[@kentucky_ken]

And STILL I haven't seen Corey Taylor and Chino Moreno collaborate. Nu metal or not.

[@FlyingV555]

Dude I’d love a collab of those guys

[@kadriblabali]

tbh that doesn't seem like a good mix

[@hamzazulfi]

@@kadriblabali If lamb of god and Chino can make a good song then I am sure corey and chino can do it.

[@phobosmonolith4863]

I hope they never do... Deftones still puts out good albums... unlike....

[@kentucky_ken]

@@phobosmonolith4863 yeah. I love them both. But I love Slipknot more since they brought me to love metal.

[@Ksjilysm]

I'm laughing at how close minded some of these people are

[@PoutingTrevor]

Billy Corgan and Corey Taylor talking the most sense as usual.

[@MarceloLaraM]

Doesn’t matter the genre; what really matters is the songwriting level

[@jennys209]

Truth!

[@tylerphillips6523]

This is the comment that matters

[@rspy24]

Tom Morello: We never considered our self to have anything to do with Nu Metal.. Yeah. that's because you don't have anything to do with it. Also is funny how he is so in love with himself, talking shit about everyone else, and literally the next video is Corey taylor saying the same thing but with respect and just praising everyone. Because he is right, Slipknot is not nu metal.

[@M4GG0TK1NG]

Find you someone who loves you as much as Tom Morello loves himself.

[@hop-skipthechewtoys1836]

Man, Billie Joe Armstrong is nobody to talk considering the absolute garbage he has pumped out recently

[@nevermindgaming6848]

What are you on about and what drugs are you on? And can I have some

[@gwynbleidd9000]

I love how numetal lovers just shit on him because he said his opinion. You don’t have to be fucking chef to criticise bad food

[@Darkneo7]

Billy joel: nu metal sucks ass, now let me play my new balads shit

[@2911sagar]

Since always lol. Most green day songs sound exactly the same. They're annoying imo. And compare that to bands like slipknot and Linkin Park who have done a lot more with their abilities, I think green day is the one who's shit.

[@TheInfiniteNine]

and green day has sucked ass since forever lol

[@zogames8659]

Tbh I never really listened to much Nu Metal, it just wasn't really my style. But I still think Nu Metal is a great idea, rap mixed with metal is genius for the time since rap was so popular then and mixing it with rock helped rock still be somewhat popular a bit longer. I find it a great way to keep rock alive, sadly even that isn't as popular anymore but hey, at least we had a cool idea that kept it around for a bit.

[@meadowcanmusictime7615]

Tom Morello : “ i’m sorry for creating nu metal” Me : “ don’t flatter yourself bro.”

[@felixd.4150]

Basically this. Korn made the genre mainstream and Korn is HEAVILY inspired by Mr. Bungle. Mike Patton is the pretentious one who should be apologizing.

[@zeeski7454]

Faith no more, red hot chili peppers, beastie boys, run dmc and Aerosmith had a lot more to do with it than anything rage did

[@boywonderrr71]

How about getting the band back together..oh u cant. nevermind....how about make something new...oh u cant...

[@I2obiNtube]

Jimi Hendrix: "I'm sorry for creating Tom Morello"

[@nleak92]

Tom Morello is pretty insufferable

[@HaydenZ06]

I find it hilarious that Green Day of all bands are saying someone else sucks LMAO

[@mauriciokrebs2913]

Billy joel made a career on make up, hair, and somebody elses sound.

[@rooctherooc2418]

Green day has some pretty great records

[@franzirijillo2384]

Weeeeell... I like Green Day but. I mean, one of their most successful songs starts with "Do you have the time to listen to me whine?"

[@mauriciokrebs2913]

@@rooctherooc2418 is soft ass punk rock plus arena hard rock production. Is like eating pasta with candy, atrocious.

[@nmbnmbnmb]

So I noticed Gen Z like to hate on Green Day. It’s like this trend idk. It wasn’t like this in the 90s.

[@iainc666]

Nu metal is more of a period in time than an actual genre, so to that end, Corey makes a good point about Slipknot's affiliation.

[@RogueBoyScout]

This is probably the most true statement i have heard on the "Genre". Lile "Grunge" (I hate that word), it is usually a catch-all for a time or place. nyone who thinks that Soundgarden should be in the same genre as Pearl Jam, just doesn't know musical theory, per se. Just cultures/scenes. (And I am not dissing any band here. But when I hear grunge, I hear Mudhoney, and maybe Bleach era Nirvana. But I have heard that they can easily be called sludge rock, ect.)

[@jmlm5479]

@Sam same.

[@zoltancsikos5604]

This whole comment section is nonsense, piled on with pretentious shit. Wonderful.

[@vincenzoaureo6060]

What a load of bullshit. Both grunge and nu metal can easily be clearly defined in terms of musical characteristics. Musically, grunge is a style of alternative rock generally characterized by loud, distorted, “sludgy” electric guitars, angsty, introspective lyrics, and an often raspy vocal delivery. Nu metal is an aggressive form of Alternative Metal with an emphasis on rhythm, using elements of Funk Metal and Hip Hop to create a cleaner, more groove-oriented sound. It doesn’t mean all of these bands sound the same. Alice In Chains used lots of metal elements in their music, while Nirvana experimented more with punk aspects and even some noise rock at times, but overall they can definitely both be called grunge. Unless you are using bullshit pseudo-genres like “new wave of American heavy metal”, “NWOBHM”, or “first wave black metal” most music genres can easily be differentiated by one another.

[@iainc666]

@@vincenzoaureo6060 Yeah, but you're overlooking the simple fact that all so-called "sub-genres" of rock and metal are stupid. Everytime a band comes out with even the slightest modicum of originality (and I'm using the term original very liberally here) and the another band comes out about the same time and kinda sounds a little similar, another sub-genre sprouts up. It's a long running meme at this point.

[@gustavopeace]

Green Day saying a certain genre of music sucks; is like hot liquid garbage saying deodorant smells bad

[@davidt8546]

Papa Roach got me into Metal music. Infest is still a fucking monster record

[@Booyabocka]

If papa roach is your entry into Metal music, you still haven’t entered Metal music. Cute Pop Rock tho.

[@lt7601]

Infest was sure a great album. 🤘

[@sbrensbeve3265]

I only like last resort but I don't mind people liking their music. Music is subjective that's why metal elitists should shove their hate up their own ass

[@danyomega1472]

Some monster riffs in there. But Jerry didn't do guitar solos in infest, Papa Roach changed to more heavy rock & roll with Getting away with murder

[@davidt8546]

@@Booyabocka 20 years ago dude...seen hundreds of bands since and felt the spit of some real savage acts on my bare chest!