MUSLIMS REACT to Muslim Schism: How Islam Split into the Sunni and Shia Branches

[@MuslimMindsUS]

15:13 correction: Umar ibn al khattab*

[@Farzadsafarwandi]

I want to know, did Prophet Muhammad(saw) appointed Abu bakr after him as successor and is it any proof?

[@خوشهگندم-ق4ش]

Hello my friend, today I watched your reaction video about the division of Muslims into two sects, Sunni and Shia. Unfortunately, I must say that your words and statements during this reaction about Shia were mostly wrong and one-sided, and based on the lies of the Wahhabis and a very small number of ultra-extremist Sunnis who accuse Shia of polytheism based on lies they have made themselves. I suggest that in order to get to know the truth and to understand the monotheism of Shia, it is enough to refer to the first sermon of the book Nahjul Balagha. The noble book Nahjul Balagha contains some of the sermons, letters, and short words of Hazrat Ali (AS), who is the first Imam of Shia, and Sunnis also accept that Imam as the fourth Caliph and respect them. Basically, Shia are called Shia because they are followers of Hazrat Ali (AS). The Shia of Ali (AS) means the supporters, backers, and followers of Hazrat Ali (AS), and most of the hadiths that are narrated about Hazrat Ali (AS) from the mouth of the blessed Prophet (PBUH). Later, the Umayyads and the descendants of Abu Sufyan, who were in power and had the money of the Muslims in their hands, and who had great hatred for Imam Ali (AS) because of the killing of their ancestors in the early wars of Islam by the Imam (AS), were attributed to some of the other companions. Furthermore, the Shiites have quoted many of the hadiths that they have quoted in order to prove their authenticity from the six authentic books of the Sunnis themselves, and the authenticity of these hadiths is proven and certain. In addition, as briefly mentioned in this video, the Prophet of Islam (PBUH) on his way back from his last pilgrimage, known as the Farewell Pilgrimage, at a place called Ghadir Khum, clearly and explicitly chose Imam Ali (AS) as his successor by the order of God Almighty. According to the current time and hours, he kept a caravan of more than a hundred thousand people waiting for about three hours in the unbearable heat of the Hijaz. Although this speech of the Prophet is very long and lengthy, and in it the Prophet (PBUH) talked about everything, and at the end he addressed the Muslims and those present with the famous sentence: They have said (that) "Am I not more deserving of you than yourselves?" Everyone said, "Yes, O Messenger of Allah." Then he took the hand of Hazrat Ali (AS) and raised him up. He also said, "Whoever I am the master of, this Ali is also his master." O Allah, love whoever loves him, and be an enemy to his enemies, and honor whoever honors him, and humiliate whoever humiliates him. Whoever fights with Ali (AS) has fought with me, and his war is my war, and his peace is my peace." After that, Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) asked those present to convey this message to those who were absent, and asked fathers and mothers to convey this message from generation to generation to their children. After asking everyone to pledge allegiance to Hazrat Ali (AS), and both men and women pledged allegiance to Hazrat Ali (AS). After the death of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH), some of the companions, due to their desire for leadership and worldly gain, staged a coup against Hazrat Ali (AS), and with money, bribery, and threats, they either took the majority of the people with them or forced them to remain silent. This lasted for a very long time. And much blood was shed until this issue and this coup became a normal and common issue, and unfortunately, to this day, Muslims suffer from the consequences of this disobedience to the command of the Prophet (PBUH), and the division and bloodshed still continue.

[@خوشهگندم-ق4ش]

Firstly, friendship and love for the Ahl al-Bayt of the Prophet is a command of God and has been clearly stated in the Quran. The Shiites have always supported and supported the Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt, including Imam Ali (AS), contrary to what you said, not only because of great feelings, but because of their merit of piety, knowledge and correct understanding of Islam. Secondly, Imam Ali's (AS) patience during the caliphate of the other three caliphs was for three main reasons. Firstly, the Prophet (PBUH) had completely predicted the events and the situation of the Muslims after him and the actions of the three caliphs for Imam Ali (AS) and had told him and advised him to be patient. Even the Prophet (PBUH) himself knew the innermost feelings of these people before his death, but he said that if I killed them, the infidels would accuse me of cruelty of heart and killing my own companions. Secondly, Islam was a new and unfounded religion, and most of the new Muslims did not yet have sufficient knowledge of Islam. On the other hand, there were many enemies lurking to destroy Islam. If Imam Ali had opposed the other three caliphs, He would have taken action and fought. This would have caused division and disunity among Muslims, and it was possible that the essence of Islam and the existence of Islam would have been in danger. Thirdly, unfortunately, most of the companions were either lured by money and wealth and supported the first two caliphs or were afraid of their threats and violence. As a result, Hazrat Ali (AS) did not have enough supporters to claim his right and establish a true Islamic caliphate. Therefore, he swore allegiance to them out of compulsion and decided to cooperate with them so that he could at least, by advising them, prevent further deterioration and corruption to some extent. Because Hazrat Ali (AS) believed in Islam more than anyone else and had sacrificed more for its sake than anyone else, and he knew it better than anyone else, and he was also superior in piety than anyone else. Another thing I would like to remind you of here is that, contrary to what you said, in Islam, it is obligatory on the scholars that if they consider themselves worthy of leadership and are certain of their own qualifications, they should take charge of the affairs of the Muslims, except for the fact that they have sufficient support from the people for this task. And he does not have enough supporters with him and the people do not support him because if the scholars and worthy personalities run away from the burden of responsibility, the affairs of the Muslims will fall into the hands of ignorant, incompetent and power-hungry people and the fate of the Muslims will be ruined. Finally, I would like to remind you of an important issue here that I think some of my Sunni friends do not understand correctly. First, Islam did not come to conquer and occupy the country and build great empires, but rather to guide people and bring them to perfection. Second, during the caliphate of Hazrat Ali, some of the other companions of the Prophet (PBUH) and also one of the wives of the Prophet (PBUH) fought against him, as history testifies, wars took place in which thousands of people were killed. Even killing one person unjustly, according to the verses of the Quran, is equal to killing all of humanity, such as the Battle of Jamal and the Battle of Siffin. The position of the Shiites in this matter is clear. The Shiites consider Hazrat Ali (PBUH) to be right and the other side to be wrong because in a war between Muslims, both sides of the war cannot be on the right side, but the position of the Sunni friends There is a contradiction. They both say that God is pleased with him, while the religion of God is one religion, and there are no two religions or three religions, and both the killer and the killed cannot be right. Thirdly, according to the authentic books of the Sunnis, the verse of purification was revealed regarding the people of the Prophet's household. Again, according to the authentic books of the Sunnis, the meaning of the Ahl al-Bayt is Hazrat Ali, Hazrat Fatima, Hassan, and Husayn. Again, the hadith of the twelve caliphs is also mentioned in the books of the Sunnis. And again, in another authentic hadith, which is also mentioned in the books of the Sunnis, the Prophet compared his Ahl al-Bayt to Noah's Ark, that whoever obeys will be saved, and whoever turns away will be destroyed. Furthermore, the Prophet's emphasis on the succession of Hazrat Ali (AS) is not dependent on one or ten cases, but rather, from the beginning of his prophethood until the last days of his life, he emphasized the caliphate of Hazrat Ali (AS) and his descendants from the descendants of Imam Husayn (AS) at various times. On the first day, when he was commissioned by God Almighty to invite his family and close relatives to Islam, he said that whoever accepts my invitation first will be my caliph and successor. Hazrat Ali, who was only ten years old at the time, stood up and said, "I believe in you." The Prophet, not only in words but also in deeds, behaved in such a way that he introduced Hazrat Ali as his successor. In terms of intellect, the successor of the Prophet is the guide of mankind and he himself must be immune from sin. If he were not, the same situation would arise that unfortunately has befallen Muslims today.

[@خوشهگندم-ق4ش]

@@Farzadsafarwandi Firstly, friendship and love for the Ahl al-Bayt of the Prophet is a command of God and has been clearly stated in the Quran. The Shiites have always supported and supported the Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt, including Imam Ali (AS), contrary to what you said, not only because of great feelings, but because of their merit of piety, knowledge and correct understanding of Islam. Secondly, Imam Ali's (AS) patience during the caliphate of the other three caliphs was for three main reasons. Firstly, the Prophet (PBUH) had completely predicted the events and the situation of the Muslims after him and the actions of the three caliphs for Imam Ali (AS) and had told him and advised him to be patient. Even the Prophet (PBUH) himself knew the innermost feelings of these people before his death, but he said that if I killed them, the infidels would accuse me of cruelty of heart and killing my own companions. Secondly, Islam was a new and unfounded religion, and most of the new Muslims did not yet have sufficient knowledge of Islam. On the other hand, there were many enemies lurking to destroy Islam. If Imam Ali had opposed the other three caliphs, He would have taken action and fought. This would have caused division and disunity among Muslims, and it was possible that the essence of Islam and the existence of Islam would have been in danger. Thirdly, unfortunately, most of the companions were either lured by money and wealth and supported the first two caliphs or were afraid of their threats and violence. As a result, Hazrat Ali (AS) did not have enough supporters to claim his right and establish a true Islamic caliphate. Therefore, he swore allegiance to them out of compulsion and decided to cooperate with them so that he could at least, by advising them, prevent further deterioration and corruption to some extent. Because Hazrat Ali (AS) believed in Islam more than anyone else and had sacrificed more for its sake than anyone else, and he knew it better than anyone else, and he was also superior in piety than anyone else. Another thing I would like to remind you of here is that, contrary to what you said, in Islam, it is obligatory on the scholars that if they consider themselves worthy of leadership and are certain of their own qualifications, they should take charge of the affairs of the Muslims, except for the fact that they have sufficient support from the people for this task. And he does not have enough supporters with him and the people do not support him because if the scholars and worthy personalities run away from the burden of responsibility, the affairs of the Muslims will fall into the hands of ignorant, incompetent and power-hungry people and the fate of the Muslims will be ruined. Finally, I would like to remind you of an important issue here that I think some of my Sunni friends do not understand correctly. First, Islam did not come to conquer and occupy the country and build great empires, but rather to guide people and bring them to perfection. Second, during the caliphate of Hazrat Ali, some of the other companions of the Prophet (PBUH) and also one of the wives of the Prophet (PBUH) fought against him, as history testifies, wars took place in which thousands of people were killed. Even killing one person unjustly, according to the verses of the Quran, is equal to killing all of humanity, such as the Battle of Jamal and the Battle of Siffin. The position of the Shiites in this matter is clear. The Shiites consider Hazrat Ali (PBUH) to be right and the other side to be wrong because in a war between Muslims, both sides of the war cannot be on the right side, but the position of the Sunni friends There is a contradiction. They both say that God is pleased with him, while the religion of God is one religion, and there are no two religions or three religions, and both the killer and the killed cannot be right. Thirdly, according to the authentic books of the Sunnis, the verse of purification was revealed regarding the people of the Prophet's household. Again, according to the authentic books of the Sunnis, the meaning of the Ahl al-Bayt is Hazrat Ali, Hazrat Fatima, Hassan, and Husayn. Again, the hadith of the twelve caliphs is also mentioned in the books of the Sunnis. And again, in another authentic hadith, which is also mentioned in the books of the Sunnis, the Prophet compared his Ahl al-Bayt to Noah's Ark, that whoever obeys will be saved, and whoever turns away will be destroyed. Furthermore, the Prophet's emphasis on the succession of Hazrat Ali (AS) is not dependent on one or ten cases, but rather, from the beginning of his prophethood until the last days of his life, he emphasized the caliphate of Hazrat Ali (AS) and his descendants from the descendants of Imam Husayn (AS) at various times. On the first day, when he was commissioned by God Almighty to invite his family and close relatives to Islam, he said that whoever accepts my invitation first will be my caliph and successor. Hazrat Ali, who was only ten years old at the time, stood up and said, "I believe in you." The Prophet, not only in words but also in deeds, behaved in such a way that he introduced Hazrat Ali as his successor. In terms of intellect, the successor of the Prophet is the guide of mankind and he himself must be immune from sin. If he were not, the same situation would arise that unfortunately has befallen Muslims today.

[@خوشهگندم-ق4ش]

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[@titangamer1790]

Salam Alykum, to clarify, as a Shia, the reason we mourn for Karbala is to commemorate Ashura’ to symbolise and express our grief and emotions towards the martyrdom of Imam al-Hussain (AS), to keep Imam al-Hussain’s (AS) cause alive in our hearts and to be committed to his cause. Also, we want to extract lessons from the tragedy of Karbala and apply them to our daily lives. Furthermore, crying for Imam al-Hussain (AS) is considered seeking nearness to Allah (SWT) for the tragedy of Karbala is bound to the great sacrifice which Imam al-Hussain (AS) endured for the sake of Allah (SWT) and for Islam. It is only when your heart is soft and absorbable that you feel the sense of closeness to Allah (SWT). The Holy Qur’an praises crying and those who cry for a legitimate cause. The Holy Qur’an describes many of the Prophets and their followers when they cried, “When the verses of the Most Gracious were recited unto them, they fell down prostrating and weeping” Are we just meant to look at this event, "Oh, it was sad, but move on." Like Imam Hussain's (AS) sacrifice was nothing significant in the face of Islam. Muhammad SAW himself cried when Hussain was born in his arms. Umm Salamah has said: "al-Hussain entered on the Prophet (S), while I was sitting at the door, so I saw in the hand of the Prophet (S) something he turned over while (Hussain) sleeping on his stomach. I said: Oh messenger of Allah, I looked and saw you turning something over in your hand when the kid was sleeping on your stomach and your tears were pouring? He said: Gabriel came to me with the sand upon which he (Hussain) will be killed. And he informed me that my nation (umma) will kill him." The prophet SAW himself said that in a hadith (in Sunni books), that "I leave behind two weighty things, hold on to them and you will never go astray, the Quran and my Ahlulbayt (people of his household)." (Sahih Muslim 2408) Look Akhi, I understand your Perspective, you have to stand by your Sunni Theology. But do not denounce our sect and Ideology as deviant from Islam without understanding where our Perspective comes from. I mean I get it, there are some extremists in our sect that worship the Imams and flagellate, but this do not represent our views. But, hey at the end of the day, we are all one Ummmah still. Jazkallah!

[@kennezzaa98]

Habibi brother the truth will come to light Insha’Allah and as our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH and HF) stated: “Ali is with the truth and the truth is with Ali”. Insha’Allah more brothers of faith will read more even if it’s there own books as they will see how crucial they need to see the real light 💚

[@titangamer1790]

@@kennezzaa98 Inshallah, people of the ummah will see the truth of The Ahlulbayt AS! Jazkallah

[@alimehdi5132]

Well said brother

[@RealUltraHunter]

We are 1 brother our religion comes before the rafida or whatever... we are 1 ummah and we will always be 1. Despite all the differences we will fight together, we will eat together, and we will do anything in the banner of Islam, I respect ur thoughts and your point of view infact, I would say it's an amazing thing that you would do something that the Prophet did... which counts as a sunnah because it's a act prophet muhammad SAW did.. Well done brother we love you.

[@2IFXeT]

39:49 but prophet Mohammed said that he left us two things first the Quran and then his family (ahy al bahtı ) but yet they killed all his family

[@garethmiguel]

"Why would this matter be left vague?" The vagueness of much of the Quran is the reason there are thousands and thousands of lines of hadith, and even disagreements today over their exact meaning.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hadith are accounts of anything the Prophet Muhammad SAW said and his actions, some stuff is regarding Quranic explanations but thousands of hadith are on the way of life of being a Muslim. Explanation of the Quran is called Tasfeer. Hadith and Tasfeer are not the same thing. Thanks for your comment and hope this explanation helps to clarify the distinction between Tasfeer and Hadith. -Hamza

[@zaidsyed8187]

​@@MuslimMindsUS You did not address this person's question of why this matter was left vague. I would answer that political matters were often not something Allah revealed through the Quran. It was more so the Hadith. So, I agree with your explanation that most Hadith did not pertain to tafsir (exegesis), but it is true there are different interpretations of the Quran based on different Hadith/interpretations of Hadith (tashreeh). Here, the disagreement over the issue of succession is directly tied to differences in Hadith pertaining to these events in history and not to Hadith relating to the Quran, though I agree that this is such an important issue that should have been explicitly stated in the Quran, but if it ever was, it would have created fragmentation in the following of Mohammad and dissent for whoever was mentioned. So, maybe it is best it wasn't mentioned, though I guess it didn't stop the fragmentation from occurring years after the prophet's death. Today, we do not know if Ali genuinely believed he and his sons were the prophet's rightful and only successors. We also do not know if the prophet ever intended Ali to be his successor. However, we have Ali's actions to learn from which support the Shia narrative. Ali did not submit to Abu Bakr and Omar until Fatima passed away six months after the passing of the prophet. Abu Bakr appointed Omar, not the Shura. The deciding vote in the conflicted Shura for Uthman was his brother-in-law Abdurrahman Ibn Awf, so there is room for bias in this election as well. Meanwhile, Ali tried to steer away from politics. When Ali did become Khalifah, he was opposed by Uthman's family members who Uthman put in positions of power and who eventually consolidated power away from Ali and his sons and murdered Hussain. Yet, Sunni Islam makes excuses for Yazid and does not accept that any of this was over the right to be Khalifah and pretends this was all some kindly debate between loving brothers. These were matters of politics and power, and Ali and his sons and the vast majority of the prophet's tribe opposed the Umayyads. Thus, again, though the hadith are conflicting and Shias mostly disregard Sunni hadith and Sunnis disregard Shia hadith as gher sahih (not authentic), there is an authenticity to the Shia argument from these actions that are not debatable. This is all coming from a Sunni who studied the sihah sittah (6 authentic hadith books in Sunni Islam) and was taught Hanafi fiqh (jurisprudence) and Maturidi aqeedah (creed). So, this is an easy submission I can make with my knowledge of what is agreed upon by my branch of Islamic tradition. I do not know the Shia hadith and traditions, but even without that contextual knowledge, one can see where their objections begin.

[@hmd0072003]

Two questions from the Sunnis... First, it is mentioned in Sehah Setheh(صحاح سته) (one of the most reliable books of hadiths of the Sunnis) and our books about the return of the Promised Mahdi, and it is a valid hadith. Introduce someone as the imam of the time so that we all don't have to wait so long and the problems will be solved... why don't you do this if you believe that the imam must be appointed by God and it is not our job, then why did you forget the incident of (غدیر) Ghadir after the death of the prophet and You yourself chose the successor and caliph by the Thaqifa(ثقیفه) Council...so do the same thing now...the last Imam of the era has signs such as mastery over jinn and human beings and being knowledgeable about all sciences and connecting to the unseen source, so you can't do this. Find someone and introduce them, and it was also wrong in the case of Shovara Thaqifa that you put down the words of the Prophet and said that God's book is enough for us (حسبنا کتب الله)and you did not allow the Prophet to make a will in the last moments of his life. He said, let me bequeath you so that you will never go astray after me(إِنِّی تَارِکٌ فِیکُمُ الثَّقَلَیْنِ کِتَابَ اللَّهِ وَ عِتْرَتِی أَهْلَ بَیْتِی ما إِنْ تَمَسَّکْتُمْ بهما لَنْ تَضلُّوا أبَداً و إنّهما لَنْ یَفْتَرِقا حَتى یَرِدا عَلَیَّ الحَوْضَ) Indeed, I am leaving two precious things among you, the Book of God and my Ahl al-Bayt, as long as you cling to these two precious things, you will not go astray. These two will not be separated from each other until they return to me on the Day of Resurrection by the side of the Kausar pool, and Umar said at that moment that the prophet of delirium says,(ان الرجل لیهجر) In the case that the Prophet (PBUH) His words are not from himself, but from the side of God And the second is the unanswered question of Allamah Amini from Ahl al-Sunnat. It is stated in hadiths and authentic books that anyone who dies and does not know the Imam of his time dies the death of ignorance. (Musnad of Hanbal, Musnad of Ahmad, vol. 28, p. 88) So where was the Imam of the time of Fatima, the daughter of the Messenger of God, at the time of her death? If we say that he did not know that Na'udz is God, then we should say that Fatimah died an ignorant death, and if we say that it was Abu Bakr, that Fatimah was very upset and angry with him at the end of her life, and it was this sadness that caused her to die (Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, p. 112, Hadad 2926). ) So the Imam of her time was not Abu Bakr...our path diverges from yours here and it doesn't matter whether the number of the Shia population is more or Sunni... After all, if the Prophet and in the incident of Ghadir, the word Wilayat means friendship (did the Prophet, in that hot weather and during his last Hajj, when he wanted to say the most important commandments to the people, kept all the people in the desert around the wells of Ghadir and told them who stayed behind and moved on, said to come back and say something important and say that whoever I am his friend from now on Ali is his friend? Can you force someone to love another person, for example, that person is someone who He killed your father, can you still really love him? Is it not good, or is it true that the word Mullah means obedience and guardianship? And there is a more important message that God said in the Qur'an, O Prophet, O Prophet, convey what is to It has been revealed to you that if you don't do this, your prophethood is not complete and God will protect you from the evil of people... Surah Ma'idah verse 67) that if we consider the words "Wali" and "Vilayat" in the meaning of friendship, then again How well did they fulfill the right of friendship with the children of the Prophet!!! They either killed or poisoned them, and what they did to the Prophet's family in the Karbala incident... When you want to go on a long journey, you leave a guardian and a substitute for your home, as the famous saying goes, be the man of the house. How did the Prophet leave his Ummah without introducing a successor? ... never ever ... the problem is that you don't want to accept it, otherwise the truth is brighter and more obvious than the sun kzbin.info/www/bejne/noqofZeVZtSZr9E

[@hinnas9007]

I completely agree with you. This video reaction is completely one sided ( being on sunni side). If they agree with the real history incidents, than their pillar of beliefs will shatter. Only the matter of time Imam will come and guide us all. One more thing they are forgetting Abu bakr, Umar were in power at that time and who he is power can write the history however, and can hide whatever he wants.. Prophet Mohammed (SAW) himself said "I am leaving 2 things among you, Quran and my Ahly bait .. than nothing else left to prove. End

[@kharrsa5000]

The 6 sahih (True) sunni books of the narrations of prophet Mohammed s.w . each of the 6 books say the prophet said " I have left among you 2 heavy things if you follow them you will never go astray the Quran and my etra my chosen progeny. "

[@imranhaider4316]

6:49 did you have read the Shia books? The books which are written under the rule of Khulafas, how they can be correct?

[@Gulamqambar]

After the death of the holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his holy progeny), Muslims had two options for seeking guidance from; the ahlulbayt (family) of the holy Prophet. Others. The ahlulbayt are those family members of the holy Prophet who grew up in his blessed lap. Islam, Qur'an and the Shari'a was revealed in their house. The angels descended with the blessings and salutations from Allah into their house. Muslims are obligated to send blessings upon not only their Prophet alone in their daily prayers/salat but also his holy progeny. They are the people about whom Allah testifies of their purity, cleanliness, infallibility and perfection in the holy Qur'an. The holy Prophet left behind him the Book of Allah, the holy Qur'an and his holy progeny. They are the inheritors of the holy Prophet's knowledge, wisdom and characteristics. The holy Prophet loved them the most and they loved him the most. Who can understand Islam, Qur'an, the Shari'a and the sunnah of the holy Prophet better than the people of the house? As regards to the others, we are not sure about the state of their iman, source of their knowledge, information, guidance and understanding about Islam. The truth of the matter is that the vast majority of Muslims are victims of prejudice, ignorance, brainwashing, misconceptions and misinformation when it comes to the school of the holy ahlulbayt (a s). Muslims need to study the biographies of personalities like the holy Prophet Muhammad, his beloved daughter Fatima, her husband Ali and their sons Hasan and Husain (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all). They also need to look into the history of Islam, especially events such as:- Da'wat-e-Zul Ashira Mubahila The event of Ghadir-e-Khum Saqifa Fadak The death of Abuzar Ghaffari The death of Malik bin Nuweira The death of the wife of the holy Prophet, Ayesha. The battle of Jamal The battle of Siffin Ashura www.al-islam.org Please listen to the beautiful lectures by Syed Mustafa Qazwini Syed Muhammad Baqir Qazwini Syed Mehdi Modarressi on utube

[@alimehdi5132]

Brother it's not bizarre story that they came to Imam Ali's house and did it, it's also proven in your sunnis books that that event have happened, if you want proof or Wana talk more you can always debat, it's clear that sunnis don't Wana believe that event cause if they accept it, there whole branches of pillars will fell, why because Prophet SAW said by himself who ever Hurt her daughter Fatima s.a is like they hurt Prophet Muhammad SAW, how you can consider those people good who hurt Prophet, hope this world can understand 🙏🙏🙏

[@mohammedjaber9119]

Excatly brother so right❤

[@lies-deine-bucher6146]

From where did you get the Election stuff that you talked about in 13:20? There is nothing like that, what the Prophet ever told.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

The prophet never stated once that a specific person must be instated as the Khalifa. Islam is a clear religion and all the obligations are direct. There would be no reason to leave this open unless it is allowed for the khalifa to be chosen by the Muslim community. -Rohaib

[@Fixitho]

Very well explained. May Allah preserve your knowledge.

[@CarlosGarin-zg7ez]

Who was on the on the councils that elected the caliphs, was there a process to select members?

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Senior companions of the prophet Muhammad ﷺ, no formal process aside from debating and popular vote

[@ahmadkhandreshak]

First of all Prophet S.A.W was not illiterate. Illiterate are the those people who call him this. Prophet s.a.w didn’t used pen in his early and most of his life is because people would have blamed that He s.a.w has written Quran by himself and it was not revealed by God. So correct yourself. Secondly if Prophet s.a.w asked to give him pen & paper l, he should have been given that immediately because Holy Quran urges us to follow what Prophet s.a.w orders. Umar should not have interrupted at that moment and let Prophet s.a.w write. If he had not interrupted at that time, maybe there must not have this schism in Islam today.

[@chrisvibz4753]

Well he wrote it himself without the guidance of God…

[@MussyPlayz]

حديث بريدة  قال رسول الله ﷺ: كنت نهيتكم عن زيارة القبور فزوروها، رواه مسلم

[@CarlosGarin-zg7ez]

I have another question. Is the Shia veneration of Ali, Hussein, and others, comparable to veneration of saints in Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy? Will Shia Muslims ask for their intercession on their behalf, or does their veneration take a different form?

[@CarlosGarin-zg7ez]

Just a follow up, I'm guessing that Shia Muslims don't venerate images of Ali, Hassan, Hussein, so that would a difference with Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

I would say it is comparable, the Shia place these figures on a high status and call upon them in prayer

[@TomorrowWeLive]

​@@CarlosGarin-zg7ez well they may not venerate them but they do display them

[@syed9855]

So as someone who grew up in a Shia Family, Yes they do regard them in higher status. They do not specifically pray to Ali Or Hussain or Hassan ra but they might say "O Ali Help me" and calls it as mediation/intercession although they know its not just mediation. They attributes power to them, that Allah has bestowed power to them as helpers. They do not pray to the pictures of the Imams or anything.. Important to note that not all Shias are like that, those who have knowledge do not commit these acts of asking Ahlul Bait for help etc.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

@@syed9855 hey Syed, thanks for the info from your experience growing up in a Shia family. Forgive me if I’m wrong, but with my base level understanding asking Ali or others for help is something definitely mainstream Islam sees as shirk since that’s associating partners with Allah. Yet we still consider Shias Muslim and brothers and sisters of course 😁😅 Thanks! -Hamza

[@muhammadhaydar3073]

So if I understand your point of view correctly. The Prophet (sawas) would have stopped a carvan, waited for the arrival and return of all the Muslims just to say that Imam Ali (as) is a venerable companion. This makes no sense, all Muslims have known this for a long time. Moreover that day, all the Muslims present gave him allegiance, for what reason if not to affirm that he is indeed the successor of the Prophet (sawas)? And what about the will that the Prophet (sawas) wanted to write just before his death and Omar's refusal to let him write saying that he no longer has his head and that he is delirious? I would add that there are also differences in belief and practice despite your assertions.

[@RRassam-v6k]

Who can deny a prophet the dignity to write ?

[@muhammadumairgujjar5829]

Brother you should learn the history of both sides then you can figure out truth. Everything is front of you just need to focus. I belong to sunni family but I'm convert to shia after reading Quran and history

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Okay, what made you switch sects from Sunni to Shia from the Quran?

[@MushafMehdi1]

@@MuslimMindsUS What makes you stay in the sunnism? That sect with a fiqh derived from common sense not from the admiration of allah.. thats why your 80+ sub sects perform just the salah in loads of different ways...

[@chrisvibz4753]

@@MushafMehdi1i knew he was lying(maybe not lying but misguided) when he said “these arent different” or whatever his exact words were, he wanted to make islam seem as not divided, but all religions are divided. itd be weird if it wasnt. God knows this much also. God knows how humans work

[@stormcloud9146]

The question isn’t what he was going to write.. question is why was umar so against it. A pure heart will ask the right questions. The seedlings of Yazid will avoid

[@alucardthelegend1276]

المشكلة بين السنه والشيعة هي مسالة الولاية في الامور الدينية و الخلافة في الامور السياسية ان الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم اتم الرسالة كاملة ارجع الى آية الإكمال التي نزات هذه آية بعد خطبة غدير خم ارجع الى القران والحديث قال عزوجل (وما ينطق عن الهوى*إن هو إلا وحي يوحى)

[@emilyneha3095]

Neither you nor I know the truth because religion is not based on proof it is based on faith. neither you or I know the history, it can be wrong but it can also be true, because there is a chance of alternation. So just respect each other, because no one knows the truth till the end of judgement. and please don't attack sunnis that are converted to shia....... May Allah guide everyone to the right path.

[@مهردادپیروز]

Although what you say is true from historical perspective there is no question that islam was not suppose to be who has more money to spend amongst people or who knows or has more frei ds.nnno leader or khalif prior to islam had done shura to to elect leader.all prior emams where appointed by god thrue the prophits .afther the deathof the prophit .while the prophit ordered them to bring me a pen and paper to write you direction not to go stray ,you know who said what.they changed the practices of islam exactly according to some of the todays practices.,money,money,money.the consequence of it is that in front of your eyes the massacre children and women and inocent. While you say nothing .this is how islam was changed.😮😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@kabdul9208]

As Shia! Let explain the whole story! First Muhammad never said their will be a Caliphate but said Ali is your master. Second Instead preparing for burial of prophet Muhammad. Umar & Abu Baker was was sharing Islamic empire amongst themselves. Put yourself in shoes of Muhammad a.s imagine you passed away & you have 3 friends & 2 of them sharing their your property amongst themselves at the time of your death & 1 preparing your body for your funeral. Who would you trust? Third Umar rejected order of prophet Muhammad a.s while he was alive & how can you expect him to follow afterward. It’s straight forward disrespect the prophet’s authority. Shame! The attack house of Ali is based on truth which we later witness when the during the battle of Karbala. When the same family of Bin Ummayn attack prophet’s family & Massacre them. Ali didn’t do anything because he didn’t want to start a civil war amongst Muslim. That’s why he let his daughter to marry Umar to show for peace. It’s common tradition in Arab even to this day .A great example of Ali‘s humbleness which we witness later when Ashia fought against Ali & Ali was winning & still showed Mercy! & that’s later follower bin Ummay family killed Ali. Idk How can you’ll be so blind ignorant? 🧑‍🦯🧑‍🦯

[@hinnas9007]

I completely agree with you 100%. They don't know 1% of history. Only siding whats supporting their sunni beliefs but not the real truth and history events. I can openly challenge We Shia Muslims have history knowledge with evidence when it comes to debate or prove something which these people don't like as they use words of Hadith in everything yet never follows. No wonder when it comes to their beloved Sahaba's . They will ignore the disrespect of Prophet and his family's rights. Because these people are so busy proving their sahaba's right and God's prophet and Ahly Bait wrong. Surely, Its not the eyes are blind but the hearts..

[@2IFXeT]

Thank you for explaining and the way they say that they do not hate Shia so fake.

[@sayedmirahmadhussaini6923]

I am proud to be the Shia of Amir Muaminin Azrat Ali (A.S) 🥰🥰🥰

[@younusadiallo5094]

Muawiyah didn't porclame himself as a caliph until ali died, and generally, there is much misinformation in this video

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hello Younusa, interesting, I thought they went to war since both sides believed themselves to be the true caliph? Any reference you can share since you mentioned the video was incorrect? Thanks for the comment!! -Hamza

[@younusadiallo5094]

I will try to find the references and send it, but as far as I am aware, the sunni sources say that muawiyah did not consider himself as a caliph until ali died, he only wanted ali to deal with the killers of his cousin, then he would give him bayah.

[@younusadiallo5094]

I will suggest reading this pdf Battle-of-siffin (2).pdf . It's a long article about the battle of siffin, the background, and results of it from authentic sources only

[@kabdul9208]

Are sure? both side claim the same! & even the time of imam Hussain! Yazid & Hussain both claimed to be Caliph. & Mu’awiyah had treaty with Ali that he won’t put his son Yazid as Caliph but he did! So I don’t!

[@2IFXeT]

Imam ali did not die. He got killed under Yazid command.

[@frayserken]

as a non muslim history nerd ali should have been the succesor those sunni dudes seemed to have an agenda from the jump

[@hajrab.3477]

and another thing: there is nothing wrong for showing grief. prophet yakub lost his eyesight as he was mourning for his son yusuf (as). and this is the family of the prophet which has been wronged. so remembering them is not at all contrary to islamic teachings. one last thing i would like to mention is that, we don't pray to the ahlulbayt , we obey their command as we believe that rasulallah and after him, imam ali, imam hassan and hussain are the representatives of god on earth. god doesn't come on earth and tells us what to do. he appoints a khalif who is representing his will. so we obey their command, as they are representing the will of god. this is what god told us to do. he ordered his angels to prostrate in front of nabi adam. the only one who didn't do it, was iblis. he said, i will only prostrate in front of god and not a human being. at that point, god wanted to show the angels that adam (his representative) has to be obeyed without any hesitation. the prostration of the angels was not an act of worship, it was an act obedience. likewise when we follow the prophet, imam ali or hassan and hussain, it's not as if we are worshipping them. we are obeying them.

[@syed9855]

Subscribed and totally 100% agree

[@dougsheehan3585]

Can you help, what is Umah? I have freinds called Umar, I guess this is a different thing though.

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Doug, Ummah means nation. In the context of this video we are referring to the Islamic nation, in Arabic (the Muslim Ummah). Umar is a name -Rohaib

[@dougsheehan3585]

@@MuslimMindsUS thanks.

[@syed9855]

My brother you have my heart as I also do not consider them kafirs as most ignorant people would.. Shias do believe in Allah and The Last Prophet and The Holy Quran which makes them Muslim... Yes some of their beliefs and practices are totally against Islam but those still do not make them Kafirs. May Allah guide them and guide us.. MaShaAllah You my brother are very sensible and understanding

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Brother SyEd your words are too kind! Jazak Allah khair! Welcome to the channel -Rohaib

[@titangamer1790]

You cannot proclaim our believes are against Islam just because you don't believe in them!

[@titangamer1790]

The prophet SAW himself said that in a hadith (in Sunni books), that "I leave behind two weighty things, hold on to them and you will never go astray, the Quran and my Ahlulbayt (people of his household)." (Sahih Muslim 2408)

[@syed9855]

@@titangamer1790 That is not what I'm talking about.. I am talking about calling upon Imam Ali as and Other Imams for help and such.. Making things sacred just for the remembrance of Karbala (such as flags and horses).. those are the things that goes against the Qur'an as the ayah says (It is you we worship and you we ask for help)...

[@titangamer1790]

@@syed9855 Those are Alawaites (extremist subsect of Shia that actually worship the Imams), and they don't represent Shia Islam. When we Say Ya Ali, the only way we believe that Imam Ali helps us is by making dua for us to Allah SWT, and because he is a righteous servant, we believe Allah will grant Imam Ali his requests. This simply means Imam Ali is an intercessor. Basically like our Lawyer infront of Allah SWT. We also believe it is haram to say Imam Ali is dead because the Quran says not to call martyrs of Islam dead. In the Quran we read: "And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah , "They are dead." Rather, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not." - Surah 2:154 "And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision" - Surah 3:169 According to this authentic Hadith ( sunnah.com/tirmidhi:3721 ) Imam Ali (AS) was the second most beloved creation of Allah in the eyes of Allah [the first is the prophet PBUH&HP]. Also according to this Sahih Hadith ( sunnah.com/bukhari:3009 ) Allah loves Imam Ali (AS). According to this Sahih Hadith ( sunnah.com/bukhari:6502 ) when a pious servant of Allah reaches a level that Allah loves him, Allah becomes his sense of hearing with which he hears, and his sense of sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he grips, and his leg with which he walks; and if he asks Allah, Allah will give him. Imam Ali (AS) was martyred and according to the Quran (2:154) he is not dead, rather he is alive. Conclusion: If we ask Imam Ali (AS) to pray for our needs before Allah [by saying Ya Ali], Imam hears us and if he pray for us, surely Allah will grant him what he has asked for.

[@hajrab.3477]

thank you for being respectful towards both sects. i just think, that shias hold ali more eligible as khalif as they understand the word "mawl " (mentioned in ghadir khum) as a religious and political leader. so obviously we all believe that rasulallah only conveyed the messages of god. therefore shias think that appointing ali as the next khalif was a direct order of god. sunnis think that mawla means a spiritual leader as ali was known for his asceticism. i think the schism starts at ghadir.

[@ahmadkhandreshak]

In this regard, Shia belief makes more sense in my opinion.

[@syed9855]

Amazing to see someone with sense and understanding of both sides.. May Allah cause us to unite under one flag (both shia and sunni) soon and just be known as Muslims. Loving both the Ahlul Bait and the Sahabas ra

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Jazak Allah khair for your kind comment brother SyEd! May Allah guide us both -Rohaib

[@AliUllah-nl9pq]

You should change your KZbin channel name to Sunni minds instead of “muslim minds”

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Same thing

[@2IFXeT]

None of us knows what’s the real truth until the judgment day I am shia but everyone with their own religion no need to hate or bring Hadit that we’re not even sure if it’s correct. I mean hundred percent accurate neither you need to believe us what’s right and what’s wrong again it’s all your decision everyone with their own believe until the judgment day

[@abnadalil3926]

If you brothers read the book Then I was guided by the former Sunni scholar Shaykh al-Tijani you would get a better understanding why Shia Muslims are Shia.

[@Congowillprevail243]

Nice video

[@IsrarGul-w1s]

Alhamduliallah I proud to be a shia ❤❤❤❤❤

[@chrisvibz4753]

all protestants, catholics, and orthodox agree on Christ in general. the only differences is the same way shia and sunni is. mormons arent christian, neither are jehovahs witness, if they deny Christ as God in the flesh, theyre not christian.

[@djavid8348]

1 Brother saying that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh wasn’t wise and thoughtful enough to leave a successor after himself. Most Sunnis believe that the community/ people back then had to choose the successor I mean this very wise cuz the community knew better who to choose as a Khalifa than the Prophet himself! -> Note: The prophet and Imam the one who choose them is Allah not the community. Sunnis in case of the Ghadir event believe that prophet Mohammad pbuh gathered 100 000 men on way back in hot sunny day just to announce O people Ali is my friend and love him! Very reasonable Stop being ignorant and jealous this is exactly what the 2 first Khalifa Abubakr and Umar was poison with also greedy of power and this led them to do whatever injustice you could find in this world to Imam Ali. For what Allah gave to Ali his family the ملکن عظیم ( the Imamat) and Fatima the daughter of prophet Muhammad pbuh when everyone went to ask Fatima Zahra (as) hand the Prophet used to say in this case I’m not the one who decides whom Fatima should marry rather that’s Allah who decides and Allah already made decision and that person is Imam Ali (as). Here when jealousy hit the 2 first Khalifa to do those horrible things to Ahlulbayt. Everything that being said until now is in your own Sahihain books ( S Bukhari & S Muslim) go read them with open heart and mind moreover do a research on Shia Islam trust me you will not regret it rather you will be thankfull to Allah your whole life. DARE AND YOU Allah bless you all Muslims and none Muslims.

[@Zorox100]

Why are you so aggressive and in denial when talking about the Shias

[@NorthernNorthdude91749]

"They would donate money to these false gods" Our gods are NOT false. Please show some respect.

[@2IFXeT]

40:30 oh please he is one of the killers of imam Hussain

[@IsrarGul-w1s]

Quran and ahalibait a.s ❤❤❤❤❤

[@IsrarGul-w1s]

Mola mean a best leader ❤❤❤

[@kennezzaa98]

Salaam Alaikum Brothers, Please look more in detail of the history of Islam including Pre Islam, as there are clues which can help enlighten your souls in this life and the next. Our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did designate Imam Ali (AS) as the Caliph on many occasions did state this, which the first time had been in Mecca. The gathering of the Quraish when Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) announced his mission: Which of you, then, will help me in this, and be my brother, mine executor and my successor amongst you?’ All remained silent, except for the youthful ʿAlī who spoke up: ‘O Prophet of God, I will be thy helper in this.’ The Prophet then placed his hand on ʿAlī’s neck and said, ‘This is my brother, mine executor and my successor amongst you. Hearken unto him and obey him.’ (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah [Earliest Biography of the Prophet], tr. A Guilaume, The Life of Muhammad, 118) I can continue showing more evidence from the Sunnah school of thought without bringing proofs from the Shia school of thought, but it’s better for you to unlock this door and walk through it as with this Hadith was just a glimpse through the key hole. Just to finally say my brothers in Faith, this Hadith is narrated in Sahih Muslim as some take the Hadith Thaqlain as “The book of Allah and my Sunnah” but this is actually the full Hadith which does state the Quran and something just as important which had been repeated 3 times to express the importance: "Lo, O people, I am only a human being and I am about to respond to the messenger of my Lord [i.e. the call of death]. I am leaving behind two precious things (thaqalayn) among you. The first of the two is the Book of Allah. In it is guidance and light. So get hold of the Book of Allah and adhere to it." Then he urged and motivated (us) regarding the Book of Allah. Then he said, "And my Ahlul Bayt (family). I urge you to remember God regarding my Ahlul Bayt. I urge you to remember God regarding my Ahlul Bayt. I urge you to remember God regarding my Ahlul Bayt"'" .... (Sahih Muslim, part 7, Kitab fada'il al-­Sahabah [Maktabat wa Matba’at Muhammad ‘Ali Subayh wa Awladuhu: Cairo] pp. 122-123.) May Allah (SWT) always be with you Insha’Allah 💚

[@stormcloud9146]

You guys say why did they innovate? .. they didn’t. You’re following a version of Islam with hadiths written by the seedlings of Yazid, it’s you that’s following innovations just think for a second if you have any kind of intelligence. The people who hated the prophet and his family controlled and wrote hadiths for hundreds of years do you really think it’s the people who follow the path of the prophet and his family are the misguided ones and not the ones who follow the ummayads who are Abi Sufyans descendants

[@IsrarGul-w1s]

Please I requested to you study in your sunni books 📚

[@IsrarGul-w1s]

You are wrong most of sunnies not accepted to ahalibait a.s

[@nemalconsashutosh8665]

Hi, I like the fact you truly believe in your religion. That's commendable. I am a Hindu from India and what Hinduism allows is doubt. We do not accept anything at face value. When you mention false God, you are automatically negating other faiths. Each faith has its pros and cons so, to say my truth does not matter, creates divisions... Something to ponder upon. Again I love the fact you are trying to learn about other religions. Go ahead!

[@syed9855]

Well Ali ra was the second to accept Islam. first being Lady Khadija ra and third being Abu Bakr ra

[@DaTruth1017]

Do not recommend me this channel. I am subscribed to KZbin channel *Thaqlain*

[@Poop123wwew]

u know people can write stuff down for u LOL

[@thomasedison-yn3ql]

But long before islam came into existence kaba was already there It was a pagan temple,, Muhammad the prophet of islam destroyed all the idols from that and cleansed the kaba stone declaring it as"Allah's house as some non muslim historians and even some ex muslim people says

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Hey Thomas! According to Islamic belief, The Kaaba was established by Ibrahim (AS) aka Abraham. It’s simply a temple for worshipping Allah/God. It was corrupted by Paganism over time then Muhammad (SAW) returned it to its original function. We are all Abraham faiths, Islam is simply the final and last religion in the line. Thanks for the comment!! -Hamza

[@nyongesaali9270]

Let's not take sides but follow lslam that's Sunnah of prophet Muhammad and Quran

[@thomasedison-yn3ql]

@@nyongesaali9270 i follow only Jesus not any humans

[@glurppuffloid9796]

@@thomasedison-yn3ql Jesus / Isa a.s. was a human though... do you not worship him?

[@thomasedison-yn3ql]

@@glurppuffloid9796 he was human only who told u that?

[@YoutubeAnonUser]

Subhanallah

[@MuslimMindsUS]

Salaam! Make sure to subscribe to support our channel InshaAllah 😁 -Hamza

[@rrrttt0113]

So you have context for Abu Bakr, but not Ali? A lot of conjecture and assumptions to support Abu Bakr, but refuted for Ali? At least pretend to have an open mind or be unbiased. Rode out with Quran on their lances. What a pathetic way to defend one-self. Hiding behind a holy book to protect selfish political ambitions and their own life cause they can't compete in battle. Honor would be to sacrifice oneself to protect the Quran.... not the other way around. To assassinate while praying should deserve a special level of hell for any killer. Perhaps one of the most un-Islamic and dishonorable act one can conduct. Shameless! So, you want Shia's to look at it with an open mind, yet you yourself stick to injecting Sunni positions based on conjecture and assumptions? Hypocritical! This is why we need critical thinking and not blind-following. Here is the answer. Ali wanted to preserve the faith and set up a system by electoral vote. This was great as a concept and what they wish to have. In reality, several corrupt people wanted to acquiesce power over the region. So, it was unsafe to let people with dishonest intentions become leader of the Muslims world. Therefore, on a situational basis Ali refused to accept Abu bakr, but tried to not let Muslims weaken in disunity ( wed his daughter, and sent his sons to protect the khalif). He encouraged the electoral system as the end goal but refused to relent power to tyrants. History is rich with religion freeing people from tyrants. Then tyrants adopting the religion once it has become popular with the people, then tyrants combating for leadership and trying to push the actual leader of the religion out.... so that the tyrant can have all the power under the banner of said religion. If you want reduce the birth of Shia Islam to an emotional reaction, you can call the birth of Sunni islam (aka siding with the tyrants) - an action of cowardice and lack of intellect to be brainwashed by a tyrant. Also, event of Karbala prove how far Yazid and his followers were will willing to go to acquiesce power. They downright massacred people - that too the very descendants of the bloodline of Prophet Muhammed and their family including women and children. Yazid also proved to be a tyrant when he took control and disbanded the electoral system. Meanwhile Ali and Hussain stood for and sacrificed their life for Islam. In your words, Ali wanted an electoral system. THIS hijack of Islam by Yazid is exactly the tragedy Ali was preventing from the start. Why Prophet Mohammad most likely choose Ali as the successor and not someone else - if the other events such as Pen and Paper are to be believed as per the Shia version. It is easy to see the tyrants want to claim to use the Quran because that leaves a grey area and serves as a plot to allow for change in power.... instead of having a clear leader in Ali. Shia Muslims do not worship Ali, Hussain, or the Prophet's family to be equal of Allah. They hold them in the highest regard and below Allah. They want to never forget the tragedy that befell them, and the crime that was committed against them, but most importantly... want to recognize their sacrifice in the face of certain death to defend Islam against TYRANTS. They refuse to accept leadership by murderers - that too of the Prophet's family. Prophet Muhammad spent his life freeing people from the lies of the corrupt running the polytheistic trade, and Ali, Hussain, and their family fought to keep the dream of Islam alive for as long as they could and sacrificed themselves protecting its sanctity. This is why Shia's split from the rest of the world who did not take action or serve justice to the murderers. As far as different practices go, it was probably to distinguish Shias from Sunnis so that people could identify which group they were connecting with. Also, would a tyrant not corrupt history to serve their agenda and claim and re-write the truth to brainwash their followers? Maybe, Shia belief is the original belief (true to the practices of the Prophet's family) and Sunni is the edited one to serve Yazdi and his line of tyrants? Makes more sense doesn't it? Yazdi is a murderer and yet a Muslim as per you, but you want to question Shia muslim practices for simply having a different protocol... or for commemorating the sacrifice of Ali and Husain? WTF lol. L M F A O - Shias are emotional and guilty of betraying Ali and Husain? The mfing audacity of that claim. That is called projecting your insecurities written all over your faces as you do this video. Meanwhile Yazdi (THE MURDERER) did not betray Ali and Husain, if not Islam completely? What do you call followers of Yazdi who did not take action to prevent Ali and Hussain's death and sided with Yazdi? The faithful? LOLOLOL Stop throwing your make-belief assumptions as historical facts. That is called slander. The Prophet also did not say that the caliphate should be led by murderers ,and tyrants who abolish the electoral system. You think this isn't a MORE egregious transgression than Ali leading the caliphate temporarily and promoting an actual electoral election?????????? Please use your brain - Islam says so. No Shia i know eats sand. Stop believing in crap rumors. People can follow Islam and commemorate the sacrifice of the Prophet's family alongside it. They don't have to be mutually exclusive knuckleheads. BUT ALL OF THIS IS BESIDES THE POINT. The only point here is DO YOU SIDE WITH TYRANTS AND BELIEVE THEM, OR DO YOU SIDE THE PROPHETS FAMILY WHO SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES FOR THE SANCTITY OF ISLAM? Shia Muslims don't think of primarily of Allah? Which gutter are you grabbing such claims from? Who are you to say what Shia's do, have you even ever met a Shia? Disrespect the people who possibly killed Ali's child and forced Islam into the hands of tyrants? oh my... how could they?! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.... you said Muslims world should be led by an electoral vote, that Ali is wrong to not follow it (even though he promoted it), BUT ABU BAKR WAS CHOSEN BY ALLAH TO LEAD??????? who the F is choosing and idolizing a human now?!!! Standardize the Quran??? LMAO what? So you are admitting that a version of events was picked and dictated... by the people who murdered Prophet Muhammad's family? How dark are your blindfolds?? I think your dismayed faces says everything. After all, the truth always reveals itself.

[@s-traitlili]

These guys seem like new muslims are very misinformed. They think that the Holy Prophet (sawa) never appointed anyone yet literally throughout their entire literature is the mention of Imam Ali (as).