Must Women Keep Silent? What Were Jesus' and Paul's Actual Views of Women in the Church?

In this episode, Bart Ehrman and Megan Lewis look at women in the New Testament and the early church and answer questions like:
- What restrictions were place on women in the early church based on their sex?
- Does the New Testament give an accurate depiction of how women actually lived and functioned during the early church?
- And should the New Testament be used as a guide for women's participation in modern churches?
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[@silviu-georgepantelimon1423]

For once I think Bart should take an interview of Megan, should be very interesting. I love this episode, it cleared out some of my misconceptions about Paul.

[@DeepDrinks]

4:35 I would totally be there for a spinoff show "Assyriology with Megan" with Bart Ehrman just picking your brain on Assyriology

[@zumurudlilit]

Mesopotamia is one of the first things we learn about in the history course for 10 years old, here in Poland.

[@bultifayissa1342]

Thank you, Megan and Professor Ehrman!!!!!!

[@sofiatgarcia3970]

Megan is an awesome interviewer. It goes without saying Dr. Ehrman is a fantabulous person to interview!

[@aadilharoon1807]

No

[@giovannimannelli2158]

@@aadilharoon1807 why not?

[@Charlotte_Martel]

@@aadilharoon1807 Agreed. Once she went giddy for the lesbian bishop, I knew that I had to unsubscribe. Megan LOVES Christianity...but only if it rejects the whole of the Bible and tradition.

[@mjinba07]

@@Charlotte_Martel Wow, that's not only incorrect, it's harsh. Not very Christian of you!

[@kencreten7308]

Having James Tabor on introduced me to him. I've watched several of his videos now. Absolutely fascinating. I'm sorry you had a few hard weeks, Dr. Ehrman. Thank you both for introducing me to James Tabor.

[@timothyharmon9472]

Wonderful series. Megan and Bart are a great team. Not only highly informative but i find myself laughing out loud frequently.

[@scambammer6102]

whoever wrote it it's IN the Bible and has been worshipped as such well over a millennium. saying "somebody else wrote it" isn't an excuse

[@MultiCappie]

@@scambammer6102 75% of the stockholders of the U.S. energy industry do not pay their taxes in the USA.

[@MultiCappie]

@@scambammer6102 Talkin' to ya, bud.

[@MossyMozart]

@@scambammer6102 - A bit blindly naïve are we? You would rather follow along after what some 12th Century scribe, sitting in his cell somewhere with ink-stained fingers, decides on his own should be included in the Book of Whomever, then to follow the real teachings of the real Disciples? That seems to be a lazy way of thinking.

[@scambammer6102]

@@MossyMozart that's just precious. A dolt who thinks they know "the real teachings of the real disciples" is calling me naive. You don't get any more clueless than that. Thanks for the laugh retRd.

[@joemedley195]

A friend of mine studied at a Baptist Bible college years ago. He had a great mnemonic for remembering that it was Eutychus who fell out of a window during Paul’s sermon. You’d a cussed too, if you fell out a window.

[@yomaze2009]

Just found this podcast. Really enjoying it. Will keep listening.

[@dennimer]

To the sound engineer of this great podcast: Megan's mic volume is way over Bart's, and it's kinda painful to focus on the main topic. I love this podcast series though.. Amazing work done by Megan and Bart!!

[@drkmwinters]

As a feminist critic of Christianity, I think it's important to be honest about the way women were empowered and then subsequently silenced as Christianity became a location of social, political and economic power.

[@dugebuwembo]

But were women empowered in Hellenic society? Greco-Roman society was misogynistic!

[@McbrideStudios]

And in a weird was continued to be empowered in a small way by the monastic system. It's a very complicated relationship.

[@tenmanX]

How women fared, as with all social identities, has always been linked to their economic positioning. The way these types of contradictions played themselves out in Christianity is no different from other religions in general.

[@kencreten7308]

@@tenmanX Yes, but in the West it was Christianity that had the most effect on society.

[@jesuschristislord9013]

I'm just gonna tell you this and I hope you listen to me very carefully, before Jesus christ, woman wouldn't be able to sit in the same place in the church with men, But Jesus christ is the first who made woman his disciples and all others only allowed men, Jesus christ is the one who made woman have fair lives with men, if not from Jesus christ, woman would've been slaves to men still, but Jesus christ came to set the captives free, And people still say bad things about Christianity, Why don't people criticize other religions also for their ways of treating, Islam for example? They hit woman to death for not wearing hijab? Why don't people say nothing about that?

[@kencreten7308]

Assyriology with Megan! I'd watch that!

[@Purwapada]

such an enjoyable series!!! hope you do more of these (with Meghan) thanks

[@MichaelYoder1961]

These are informative and fun - two good things together. Bart and Megan have terrific humour and good chemistry!

[@bethesong2001]

Excellent series!

[@sebolddaniel]

Megan and Bart are great together.

[@ibraheemmoosa]

I really love this podcast. Thank you Dr Bart Ehrman and Dr Megan Lewis.

[@pinball1970]

Glad you are feeling better Bart.

[@Lfppfs]

This podcast is awesome!

[@edwinzimmerman1594]

I love these broadcasts.

[@nedsantos1415]

Thank you for the discussion. Thank you.

[@chadgarber]

Really enjoyed this. Thanks guys.

[@RestoringReality]

My observation is that people who worship Paul while using the name of Jesus in vain are in favor of having women sit down and shut up. It seems to me that the people who see through Paul's nonsense have no problem with women taking on any role they feel inspired to pursue.

[@elainafaust3717]

Fascinating. Thanks

[@welcometonebalia]

Thank you.

[@djparn007]

Thanks again, Bart and Megan.

[@jefcaine]

Interesting to hear this in contrast to Mike Winger's recent series on Women and the Bible

[@tsd7560]

Great video but Megan seems to be about 2 levels louder than Bart. Maybe turn Bart's volume up a couple levels??

[@JosephusZeno]

Thanks again

[@dominicfogg5743]

love these. fantastic work. praise jebus

[@60th60th]

Excellent!

[@blossom6473]

This has been wonderfully refreshing to watch and serves as a fascinating insight into Paul's actual teachings. It's fascinating to discover how the verses which refer to women's position in church and society as a whole were most probably not written by Paul himself! This puts paid to those 'Christian' males who hold so dearly on these teachings to undermine women and keep them in their 'place' . Thank you so much and I will be watching your KZbin channel for now on 🙂 ...

[@johnyates5061]

It mainly proves that you cannot make facts from opinion..... This is man's book... Not God!

[@blossom6473]

St Paul the misogynist has so much influence on the New Testament, which doesn't actually support Jesus Christ's teachings🧐

[@mickeydecurious]

The religious men cherry-pick what verse tells them they have the upper hand; them learning a new perspective isn't going to happen🤦 Look how the majority of religious males act with the equal rights for women in America😠 They're not going to give away their patriarchy 😆

[@dugebuwembo]

Not only that to the women who also uphold these teachings blindly.

[@mickeydecurious]

@@dugebuwembo I think the reason the woman hold to them teaching this blindly is because the men do 😓 Maybe they're afraid that if they assert themselves they'll lose their men 🤔

[@RandiRain]

Thank you for this. I've been wanting to Bart to talk about this. Can you do Jesus telling you to hate your family next? Luke 14:26, Matthew 10, etc

[@blogbalkanstories4805]

Glad to hear Megan's voice is much better.

[@TJ-vh2ps]

I would love a podcast called “Assyriology with Megan”!

[@PenStab]

I would love one called "The Best a Man Can Get with Penn Jillette" that reviews razors, shavers, and other hair removal implements available from both major manufacturers and indie "sharp shops" (artisan razor creators, for the uninitiated). Executive produced by Teller and Scott Aukerman.

[@KGchannel01]

Love it!

[@jamesanderson1135]

Hi Megan, what is the instrumental song called that plays during the intros on these podcasts? Thanks.

[@suavecito3752]

Love your work Dr. Bart Ehrman thanks.

[@J_Z913]

This is a great video. More work needs to be done on women in religion in general and this is just a part of that discussion. Thanks again Bart and Megan!

[@yvonnegordon1952]

in the Bible, the HEART (Eve) is the woman taken out of Adam (mind) so they could come to KNOW each other face to face: The sex has nothing to do with woman because it is the HEART of both sexes that need to come together again now that the END of the EGO has come: woman=magnetic energy man=electrical energy that have to BALANCE together for the EXPERIENCE of WHOLENESS (HOLINESS): Sorry nobody told anybody???? Christianity and Judaism HYJACKED the truth on how to be FREE and made them into religions to control the masses so they would not get FREE: RE-LEGION (becoming legion/MANY, again and again): remaining in EXILE!!! the MEANS FOR CONNECTING TO HASHEM are within you and you don't need religion to become free but you do NEED a DESIRE FOR MESSIAH or the ANOINTING that is within you and must RISE TO CONNECT your consciousness to God (Hashem, Christ, Allah) whatever you call that higher consciousness: NO RELIGION is going to take you there because HASHEM is a JEALOUS God and will only reveal himself to INDIVIDUALS and NOT to religions in all fairness and justice, people need RELIGION till they find the DESIRE IN THEM for Messiah, just as it is written, when DESIRE COMES, it is a TREE OF LIFE: Even as deferring the HOPE for Messiah makes the heart sicker and sicker: Pro 13:12 Hope deferred makes the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life. if any of you watched THE LORD OF THE RINGS (I just got around to it a few weeks ago) the ring that makes everyone evil, the RING OF DESIRE TO CONTROL all other rings, is RELIGION: I saw it immediately: ONLY THE PURE IN HEART can handle religion without it destroying them: That ring had to be taken back to the FIRE in which it is forged by a pure heart (FROTO) because everyone else wants to CONTROL OTHERS with religion instead of helping them to be FREE of it and thereby free of EVIL that religion DEFINES but never overcomes, never ever ever: the DESIRE for Messiah is Elijah (his God is YAH) which resurrects your conscience (MOSES) that is drawn up and out of the water by the ANOINTING (Christ, Messiah, the OIL OF HANNUKKA that must rise in you to cleanse your heart (temple) that Hashem wants to live in: Everyone wants somebody else to do it: don't waste anymore time giving your attention to people (ALL RELIGIOUS LEADERS) who themselves are NOT ANOINTED so they can't really speak from that CONNECTION (dveikut, yichud) with Hashem: if any of you watched THE LORD OF THE RINGS (I just got around to it a few weeks ago) the ring that makes everyone evil, the RING OF DESIRE TO CONTROL all other rings, is RELIGION: I saw it immediately: ONLY THE PURE IN HEART can handle religion without it destroying them: That ring had to be taken back to the FIRE in which it is forged by a pure heart (FROTO) because everyone else wants to CONTROL OTHERS with religion instead of helping them to be FREE of it and thereby free of EVIL that religion DEFINES but never overcomes, never ever ever: just looked up Froto and it means "A RUB" and again, I see the ANOINTING that must be rubbed on the INSIDE of the head (SKULL, KETER) so the anointing can cover the earth (your brain) like the waters (LIVING WATERS is the anointing) cover the sea (subconscious): There is so much to get through by just learning how to RAISE THE OIL within, or raising MESSIAH IN YOU, that religion makes it seem you are doing something when you are spinning your wheels round and round, but not HIGHER AND HIGHER like Jacob's LADDER:

[@barrelburger]

This is a beautiful series and I'm really enjoying every episode. I just have one complaint. Megan's microphone sounds very professional and Bart' sounds like he is speaking into a dollar store microphone. Maybe it's just bad mic placement, or maybe Bart needs to get something better. Also there is a bit of echo in Bart's room which could benefit from some acoustic treatment.

[@rolfjacobson833]

great once again

[@tedgrant2]

I wouldn't dare tell my wife to be silent.

[@williamdougherty7600]

Wonderful

[@riddlezastra1496]

imagine how cool megan's household is..? there is a note on the fridge written in cuneiform and her husband (who is also expert in this matter) totally gets it... wonderful cryptic lamguage at home... (also the cereal *slash* incantation bowls for the sustenance of the children ... wow

[@MikeLeonard]

Thank you for another great podcast. One piece of feedback: Is there a way you can balance the volume of the two speakers? I find myself having to turn my volume up or down depending on who is speaking. Thanks again!

[@dianezimmermann5831]

Yes! I agree about the volume. Dr. Ehrman is always difficult to hear.

[@quij7ote222]

This is an important podcast. The information given is irrefutable and compelling, therefore, useful and persuasive. You bring great insight and eloquently present it. You don't speculate outside the evidence. Your educational approach is elevated and beyond reproach. Thank you.

[@Transterra55]

I enjoyed the segment about cherry picking certain passages… It is very similar to what defines a denomination: A group of people interpret the Bible in their own way , hence creating various denominations .

[@MiguelCisnerosSaucedo]

So, people shouldn't be free to interpret the Bible in their own way and context? You sound very Authoritarian, ironically.

[@EdsonCruz00]

Gratidão pela aula

[@Lfppfs]

Bom ver outro falante de português por aqui :)

[@stevenbishop8850]

Kinda surprised this hadn't come out earlier?

[@PenStab]

It was deeply closeted.

[@esasalonen495]

In 26:68 Mr. Ehrman mentions a text in 1. Tim. 5, about the women in church but the passage is actually in 1.Tim 2:11-14.

[@PenStab]

Fuckin got em

[@SimplyJane1111]

Off topic question! Can you make a podcast on the Essenes?

[@randydickson8467]

Thanks Megan and Dr Ehrman.

[@bartdehrman]

Thanks for watching! - Social Media Team

[@ktownjunkie]

I've heard some pastors tell the story of Peter lopping off the ear as he was aiming for the servant's head, and the servant ducked to avoid the sword, but Peter caught the ear instead of the head. Peter was a fisherman after all, not a swordsman. : ) Whether true or not, it demonstrates how missing details are often filled in through experience and story-telling. ty!

[@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373]

What was Peter doing with a Sword?

[@ktownjunkie]

@@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373 not sure. Seems Jesus warned the apostles of the danger that was coming for him. check out Luke 22:36-38 and Luke 22:49-51. Also Matthew 26: 33-35 and Matthew 26:51-54, and also John 18:1-12. Read surrounding verses for context. Perhaps he wanted to protect himself and the others, or maybe some other reason. It really doesn't say too much about his motivations or thoughts on why he carried the swords other than Jesus suggested it.

[@Wretched2JZ]

@@ktownjunkie think he was talking about them getting swords when he’s gone. As he didn’t want any violence to take place and choose to lay his life down.

[@parkburrets4054]

I’m glad you’ve taken up scholarship in an area that has been lightly studied rather than regurgitating what is already known.

[@MrBevoRules]

I think it's studied quite a bit. The trouble is the vast majority are people who are very biased toward distorting it until everything fits their preconceived notions. It's been amazing to me just how different these books are if they aren't assumed to be in inspired, perfect agreement.

[@samuelbrewster8201]

Great episode Dr. Ehrman. Phenomenal job on the questions! I will say, how was I supposed to know you had 1 Peter memorized!

[@bwryuun]

It is important for peoples to be both apart of their “own” groups and part of larger diverse groups

[@AW-uv3cb]

Glad you are both doing better and thank you for another great show! One of the most interesting subjects for me :-)

[@justmenotyou3151]

I came across an article, I think it was in biblical archeology that stated the term (during this time period) virgin was a woman who owned property, and prostitute was a woman who could handle her own money. I never had the chance to check on this.

[@srenbro916]

about the ear and the sword: how could they afford such an item? and wasn't there a passage where Jesus says: if you dont have a sword, sell your stuff and buy one?

[@jseaman256]

it would be interesting to learn more about "The Way", the original name of the first christian movement

[@PenStab]

Big into helmet worship

[@clifb.3521]

In what texts outside of the Bible is Mary Magdalene mentioned? Limiting the discussion to just the box in the Bible seems strange to me anyway

[@hermione3muller674]

Listened to this some ten times to get every detail. Please keep stuf on women and lgbtq coming. As you said, we need to improve society and give access to everyone. Looking forward to more on this. I wish i had money to access the blog and the lectures.

[@apollion888]

your mic levels are way off, one too loud, one too soft. Please work on that, thanks

[@moodyrick8503]

As usual, the common KZbin problem of _uneven volume levels, occurs yet again._ *One voice too quiet, the other too loud.*

[@PenStab]

It's spread to the comments, even. Part of your comment is really loud and another part is either fancy or sneaky, I'm not sure.

[@davidharner5865]

What possible difference does the opinion of L. Saul of T. make?

[@jeffmacdonald9863]

It's had a huge effect on the development of Christianity and thus on the culture especially of Europe, both historically and even in the modern day. We don't have to conform to it ourselves, but it's useful to know how we got here. And of course, there are still many people who do care about what Paul wrote.

[@bigol7169]

Yes

[@bubbercakes528]

The church I grew up in just left the Methodist church because of LGBTQ matters. I left there a long time ago but this still broke my heart. As a child I thought that Christianity was all about love and inclusion. Christianity ad I knew it and loved it is dead.

[@Wretched2JZ]

So you no longer believe in God?

[@thomasdequincey5811]

I don't know if they must, but they probably should.

[@annwood6812]

Love Bart, but I have to nitpick re Mary Magdalene. While Mary M seems only to have been mentioned once in connection with his actual ministry, but if you don't count LISTS of names of the apostles, she's named more often than almost all the apostles in close connection with Christ: as travelling with him, financially supporting him, being at the crucifixion, burial and resurrection. She was a rock star compared to most of the slacker apostles.

[@allanflippin2453]

Is it possible that the switch from a female-inclusive church to a male dominated church is related to the transition from "small groups waiting for the imminent second coming" into a more permanent institution?

[@highway6111]

So all we really have is the argument

[@ElinT13]

Thanks for these clarifications! I do not understand what this thing about sexual orientation is, or why people are mysogenists. People (ALL people) are people first (and children of god) and that is the most important thing of all. Everyone deserves at least respect, better even love, if you find it in you. I am very happy to live where I live (Germany, by the way) and that same sex marriages are a very normal thing. People can talk openly about that at work (at least where I work). And I am happy for each person who finds personal happiness, no matter if in a relationship (and regardless of gender) or otherwise.

[@crede9427]

@ElinT13 this children of god idea has to be rethought. We share 98.7% or near of our dna with chimps, 50% with a blade of grass, etc. We are children of our ancestors that survived natural selection over the last milliion + years. Another idea, courtesy of Hubble, is that god created the world and then waited 13.7 billion years to demand that you worship him

[@arjan2777]

That is a very modern view. The writers of the bible would probably think you are crazy.

[@TheAntiburglar]

I was under the impression that Junius *was* an ancient name, particularly the second name of Marcus Junius Brutus. Am I wrong about that?

[@PenStab]

Yeah, my bro's mate's cousin's baby daddy is named Junius, so it's actually a contemporary name.

[@mathewfinch]

Sure, but Junias was not.

[@gretareinarsson7461]

No women should not be kept silent. Never ever and they should be in every way equal to every men.

[@alsantoshsantana8803]

I really love these interviews and in-depth discussions, but man they are all so long..! Wish Megan would take the time to edit and trim it down.

[@LeeJCander]

I’m from the UK and in school we learned a little about the Romans, then it went to 19th century onwards with the wars etc. I was always asking about Ancient Greeks and China as I had been bought some books on Mythology and it’s just such a niche subject sadly. Luckily I ended up doing Philosophy as a degree, specialising in Eastern Thought. Then Mythology as a Masters Degree. It’s a crime I don’t think I even heard/read the word Mesopotamia until university!

[@vincentcross9148]

Love this topic! Women are so marginalized across the board in almost every singlle religion and unfortunately majority of them act ok with it. I didn’t want that for my daughter so I did my very best to make sure she knew she could do anything she wanted and religion had nothing to do with her life her future!

[@albionicamerican8806]

From what I've read, Sikhism holds women in somewhat higher regard than most other religions. Which may reflect the fact that its origins are fairly recent historically. Sikhism started in northern India about 500 years ago, around the time of the Renaissance and Reformation in Europe; so you have to wonder if some of the West's new thinking of the time made its way into India and influenced Sikh beliefs, perhaps transmitted by educated European missionaries or merchants.

[@Isaac5123]

As people say if it's in the Bible it is divinely inspired which makes a mockery of the statement. So is the fact that other passages that may be divinely inspired could also be false. So how would anyone in their sane mind say we have to take the Bible word for word.

[@sotiriosnovatsis4529]

@@Isaac5123 I am a very faithful Christian and read the Bible every day, virtually without fail. It’s the most important book in my life and a hugely important guide to my salvation. However…I believe it would be extremely foolish to follow it word for word. There are contradictions within it due to being authored by multiple people and certain things I don’t agree with. God speaks to me and tells me to listen to him above all others, including the humans who wrote the good book.

[@Isaac5123]

@@sotiriosnovatsis4529 unfortunately there have been mistranslations of the ancient texts that most Christians don't know about. Keep praying directly to God and thank him for every minute of your life

[@sotiriosnovatsis4529]

@@Isaac5123 Amen, brother. Well said. 🙏

[@gregorykelly8000]

Bart what versus are counter to anti gay script? Please do a small video on this.

[@PenStab]

"Everybody a lil' gay" - Honey, 2:11

[@gregorykelly8000]

@@PenStab only in ur dreams?

[@pinball1970]

When you are in the UK how about a debate? Or presentation? Manchester obviously, we have P52 here, Rylands.

[@seekfactsnotfiction9056]

A Debate would be a good idea if there's an academic who can challenge Dr. Ehrmann with evidence, otherwise it will be just like any other "average Joe" debate!

[@pinball1970]

@@seekfactsnotfiction9056 Plenty of very good Oxbridge scholars who may be interested. In Manchester though please, we have P52 like I said.

[@seekfactsnotfiction9056]

@@pinball1970 Excellent. Looking forward to it. I love debates and enjoy them.

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

LOL! "Outsmart Bart"! {:o:O:}

[@BethDiane]

I think I've been hearing about those misogynistic bits of the New Testament being later interpolations for years from friends who study Classics.

[@isabeloliveira7971]

Congratulations on this wonderful podcast. I have been learning a lot! On the subject of this podcast, I would like you to take a closer look at Jesus' relationship with women. Was Jesus effectively in favour of equality? Let's look at this passage in the gospel of Matthew 22:23-30 (the same account appears in Luke 20:27-36) 23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?” 29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. Why did Jesus miss this opportunity to denounce the status of women as men's property? Why did he not denounce the unjust way women were treated, passing from hand to hand, from husband to husband, with no right to decide how or with whom she wanted to live her life?

[@luckyrook1246]

Minutes 25-30. The two verses that obviously don't fit the spirit of the movement aren't supposed to be there. Thanks Bart.

[@patty4349]

The Prager U guy said our country is messed up because women are the majority of teachers in our public schools. He said this recently.

[@PenStab]

My grandpa has a KZbin channel, too

[@skyer82]

Please, someone buy Bart studio equipment. These shows are entertaining but the sound quality is such a turn off 😵‍💫

[@vincentcross9148]

Please please do an episode on Jehovah’s Witnesses! They brain was so many people and have twisted the Bible to fit their doctrines. I would love to know what Bart thinks about them.

[@parkburrets4054]

Is the Old Testament written entirely in Hebrew? Which parts match the Torah and what are the differences?

[@PenStab]

I think you accidentally put your Google search into a KZbin comment.

[@Cameramancan]

How is “seriology” spelled, please?

[@Cameramancan]

Just figured it out…Assyriology…I’ll losing it, lol! Very interesting presentation!

[@terryallen6688]

The divisions experienced in churches is really based on interpretation on scripture.

[@metiusabt2581]

Come on, for us atheists there is no reason whatsoever to squeze the bible into modern morals. It's an interesting historical source, great stories with good plots, horribly told, but nice to use in new modern stories, but we don't need the bible at all to derive modern ethics from.

[@rainbowkrampus]

Megan isn't an atheist and there are probably several people who watch this kind of stuff who aren't as well. I'm not a fan of people pretending to derive their ethics from the Bible either. But so long as they're going to do so, it would be better if we had discussions like the one in the video to help steer such people away from fundamentalism.

[@thhseeking]

I hope, Megan, that you get to translate a new tablet that starts "Wall! Wall! Reed wall! Reed Wall!" :P

[@mauricematla8379]

Well Megan, i am happy to report that waaaaaay back when i was in the first year of whatever the Brits call the stage of education after primairy school. Mesopotamia Was the 2nd chapter of our history programm the first being on Pre history I remember very well that our history teacher told us that allthough in the book we used Sumer ckmes first there still was discussion going on if the Indus valley was perhaps earlier.... Those 2 sentences did it for me. Became hooked on anything ancie t history for what will like turn out to be life.

[@utah133]

The stuff where the "keep silent, gals" is stated: Isn't that in the pseudopigraphic verses in Timothy 1 and 2? Made up later?

[@bwryuun]

In college I was in a non Panhellenic fraternity. We had an associated women’s group. At a point women had to be integrated into men’s groups. 5 pledged initially. Some of our men pledged our women’s group. The guys didn’t last. Dealing with flowers & other traditional women’s activities.. they left. last I checked our 5 women had become in charge of the fraternity nationally and there were almost no men at my local fraternity meeting. Basically women take over when admitted.

[@hayedsanchez12]

Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia podcast on Monday, Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman podcast on Tuesday Life is good 🤩

[@douglasodonnell6800]

Dan Brown wrote historical fiction. I think it shows the characteristics of the genre. It was a good story but the key is fiction woven into history!

[@bubbles581]

Ancient Sumer is super interesting. Love the work Megan and Josh do on KZbin - and yeah its true there are still TONS of untranslated cuneiform tablets!

[@Superwoodputtie]

"The United Methodist church just this week became the dis-united Methodist church." Gosh I forget about this type of humor. That was hilarious.

[@chriswilcocks8485]

As a male roman cstholic, i consider many of the well documentd problems in rc is due to women being sidelined.

[@edelgyn2699]

Dr. Ehrman mentioned discussions between two factions arguing for/against women's leadership roles in the early church. Please could you point us in the direction of these references?? Thanks in advance.