The Coming Apocalypse! Jewish and Christian Views of the End of the World

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Dive into the exciting belief of apocalypticism in ancient Jewish times. What is it? Why is it in the New Testament? And what was its purpose?
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[@betzib8021]

I absolutely love that there are people out there who want to learn sumerian grammar....and even more that there are people who want to help them do so.. The world is a wonderful place!

[@Purwapada]

I'm definitely getting a copy of those books for my new year presents lol

[@BandiGetOffTheRoof]

...and that some of those people have super cool haircuts and groovy sweaters! :)

[@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa]

I know right?? I love when people are passionate about very specific things haha, it's so interesting to learn niche tidbits of knowledge

[@rdklkje13]

And twin babies to boot by the sound of it!

[@betzib8021]

@@BandiGetOffTheRoof yeah!!!! That 2

[@jhmoxl]

I have to say Megan does such a great job. She doesn't know that much more than a highly informed person does about early Christianity so she has the same question I do, but she knows so much more about textual criticism and historical-critical methods than someone like me that she actual know how to frame the questions to get the right information.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

I’d say she is a very highly informed layperson, but she plays the role of curious non-expert (a stand-in for us, the audience) quite well. She asks our questions as well as questions we might think of after we’ve digested the material. Megan plays a very important role as audience proxy, and doing it well is not as easy as it looks. Just ask Glaucon what it’s like. 😊

[@guyhaas4555]

Does anybody suspect that she is feeding the questions SUGGESTED by Bart?

[@zapkvr]

An amazing discussion. I am profoundly grateful to everyone associated with this channel. It makes me feel like the internet is useful in a way I had not encountered.

[@osr4152]

Its a great source of knowledge isnt it pal. I would never have been able to learn about any of this stuff 20 years ago without visiting a university library

[@jio-lito]

These podcasts are absolutely great! However, they would be even better if Dr Ehrman would get a dedicated microphone. It’s quite difficult to get the right volume when different levels of sound are being used.

[@gregmcmurphy8241]

As much as he moves around and since we don’t hear scratching I’m wondering if it’s just crappy mic placement. He might have a half decent mic but too far away. But either way I agree it is distracting.

[@eurech]

Found out my classes of Biblical studies next summer will have some of Dr. Ehrman's books as obligatory reading! One of them being the New Testament. I am now more eager to study than ever! Heck yeah.

[@davidrodriguez4016]

Doctor Ehrman, you helped me overcome my religious trauma. I can't thank you enough!

[@richunixunix3313]

I empathize with you.

[@mattmatty4670]

Buddy I think I've talk to you before. Did you research Svante Paabo awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for DNA extraction from Neanderthal bones, that's NEANDERTHAL man ok not us Sapiens. Cheers

[@richunixunix3313]

@@mattmatty4670 yea, it’s hard being a homo Sapien -sapien and we have a strong understanding we do share a common ancestry with the Great Apes…. Cool huh?

[@mattmatty4670]

@@richunixunix3313 no mate we never come from apes. But we did come from previous forms of humans. Bipedal,(fascinating if ya want to do research) i think the term is so not actually apes. Real facts you will read yourself, Svante Pabbo at the Max Planck Institute Germany discovered the DNA links but not published till the nineties, Sapiens, Neanderthal, Denisovans all 3 r human species (DNA proven) not Adam and eve incest family. To back this up research the Denisovan Cave in Siberia all 3 human species lived annnnd produced hybrid offspring a 12 year old girl annnd all proven with modern DNA technology. Cheers

[@mattmatty4670]

@@richunixunix3313 if I remember correctly the hybrid girl was a offspring from a Neanderthal man and a ,Denisovan woman. Cheers

[@rashed9047]

As always dr Bert is a masterpiece the way he explains the Bible no one can deny it

[@williamcarter7977]

It is my observation that people can deny anything and everything.

[@KingDavid1979]

Virgin resurrection and return from a cloud is a false doctrine 😴

[@flaneur5560]

@@KingDavid1979You're a false doctrine.

[@fretnesbutke3233]

I'm persuaded to think that Zoroastrianism had a big influence on Jewish thought in a lot of areas. Syncretism is a key to understanding much in comparative religion. In addition,many Jews were massive fans of all things Persian. Remember,Cyrus is the only gentile in their scriptures to be called 'Messiah'..anointed by God. The dualism of the Persian faith had creeped in,while the principle of monotheism remained.

[@KreeTerry]

I would honestly love for Bart to interview Megan. I find summarian super interesting so I would love to hear from here too. Keep up the awesome work y’all!

[@Lfppfs]

I would also love an episode like that!

[@emmettarts1723]

This was really great. I am curious and I am sure someone has already asked, but if God made everything, that would also include “evil”. How does that get resolved? It seems like it’s circular thinking. I have read Bart’s book titled, “God’s Problems” and it has made an impact on me and how we deal with suffering…especially when it comes to our most vulnerable. Even very good people get afflicted with suffering. I may have missed something here, but it seems that an omnipotent God is either cruel, or a really bad deity blaming the “devil” (he created) to divide and allow for cruelty. I know that I’m not supposed to understand “the ways of the Lord”, but it is the very reason why I am not a Christian. And this interview was fabulous. I learned a lot more on the apocalyptic ideology of the Bible. Again, thank you.

[@MsFitz134]

Ah the age old question. The church I grew up in answered it by saying that God didn't make evil, but that since nothing can be good if there is no concept of bad, evil was the natural and unavoidable result of there being any concept of goodness or righteousness. Essentially by creating one thing it's opposite automatically comes into being. By creating light, darkness is made to exist. By creating love, hate is made to exist. By creating good, evil is made to exist. Positive cannot exist without negative, or else it ceases to be positive. Can't say I agree with everything that church taught, but I still appreciate the honest philosophical approach to addressing the problem of evil.

[@lauriehermundson5593]

You might want to read "The Origin of Satan" by Elaine Pagels.

[@JeannieSoko]

​@@lauriehermundson5593is this person an academic

[@lauriehermundson5593]

@@JeannieSoko Yes at Princeton University also author of several other books.

[@emmettarts1723]

@@lauriehermundson5593 thank you

[@Cloudryder]

I started reading your book yesterday. This is so intriguing! Thank you!

[@dfjpr]

I suppose the Crusaders thought, the apocalypse is taking too long, let's make it happen.

[@apm77]

Best episode yet. One thing I found jarring in the Q&A section: the use of the future tense to describe what Bart says in a book he has already written (but that hasn't been published yet).

[@pacingtiger8750]

The ten minutes of talk before the lecture is jarring.

[@johnnysprocketz]

jarring

[@ruefulradical77]

A brilliant discussion. Thank you so much for all your academic input. Coming from a Charismatic background, the intellectual aspect of my faith started to be seriously challenged when I did Biblical Studies at ANCC back in the early 2000s and first encountered the Historical Jesus. (1 of 3 strikes D.I.E = Doctrine-Insipidity-Experience). After 20+ years I fully embrace a scientific worldview plus existentialism. And your teaching, Bart, really helps me to grasp the jigsaw puzzle of Scripture. Just one techical point on the podcast, Bart's camera seems to be tilted by 10 degrees which I found really distracting especially with Bart's checkerd jumper! But first class exposition.

[@user-zh6mk4so4v]

Thank you for the enlightening discussion.

[@MatthewDoye]

Thanks again, Bart and Megan.

[@andreasplosky8516]

Fantastic, as always, although I might have given this the title "The (Never) Coming Apocalypse".

[@bartdehrman]

This is Chris writing for Bart. We thought of "The Coming (Uh... Yeah right!) Apocalypse" but it sounded too long

[@andreasplosky8516]

@@bartdehrman LOL.

[@welcometonebalia]

Thank you as always.

[@bradfordlane4129]

You guys are EXCELLENT together! 😊

[@markgamble7699]

Revelation is about Elevation… The mind becoming a Christ like understanding… Council of Nicea 321-325 AD changed the first thousand years of Christianity into what it is in the second thousand years… Many wait on Jesus return when they may need to find the Kether within… Christ like mind within us all…

[@MrArdytube]

I just saw a great documentary on the Sumerians…. Who, as I understand it, were among the oldest civilizations… and whose origin seems unknown … which is why their language is unrelated to any other languages we know of. And, ironically, although they may have been the first to invent writing…. Their civilization, language, and writing did not survive

[@KGchannel01]

Very strong explanation of how apocalypses try to explain Israel's undeserved suffering!

[@bananahead44]

Please address the audio volume. We have to adjust the volume back and forth depending on who's speaking. It's very hard to listen to

[@Lovetoall14]

It is a beautiful world we’re this is the product of happy homes where the biggest worry you have in life is the great questions of the universe. We need to make the world more peaceful, free, and safe so more great minds can read Greek in the morning instead of their bank account.

[@johannOplease]

“It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine” 🙃

[@JosephusZeno]

Thank you both

[@giuseppemannino5204]

can't wait for the next episode, very much interested like always 🤞👍👍👍

[@clearskybluewaters]

wow!!! Bart Ehrman new book project is super exciting

[@keithwilson448]

Thanks to everyone involved in this podcast, I'm absolutely loving it. Can I make a suggestion though? It would be great to have a reading suggestion before the next episode, for us to do a little preparation beforehand. Thanks again. 10/10

[@zapkvr]

Have you heard of 'The great disappointment'?

[@mojoman2001]

Your wife's wedding night? ... just kidding. Was that one of the many times the world refused to end contrary to predictions of false prophets?

[@jayguilloty6560]

Really enjoy these videos. I wish Barts mic was as great sounding as Megans’.

[@bartdehrman]

We're working on it! Promise!

[@mizlpix4027]

I was literally just thinking about looking into the differences between these two views, and *voila* this video shows up in my feed.

[@vinegar10able]

The Sumerian bit was really interesting

[@nylaway7170]

I love that British announcer guy. He had a way of sounding bombastic and professional.

[@carolsh1983]

I definitely started listening because enjoyed the book Misquoting Jesus when it came out and have enjoyed others of Bart’s books. But I think this has been my favorite episode so far because I am getting to know Megan even more and really enjoying it. I’d love to hear more about her husband’s Old Testament counter apologetics but I get that he probably wants to keep his anonymity. Regardless, it was fun to hear about the Assyrian grammar. And of course I learned a lot about apocalypticism.

[@timothyharmon9472]

Actually, Megan and her husband Dr. Josh Bowen, collaborate on a podcast, Digital Hammurabi, at www.youtube.com/@DigitalHammurabi

[@bartdehrman]

@@timothyharmon9472 Thanks Timothy! That's correct!

[@bartdehrman]

Glad you're enjoying it!

[@rainbowkrampus]

Read the books they put out; The Atheist's Guide to the Old Testament vol 1 and 2. Very worthwhile reads.

[@carolsh1983]

@@rainbowkrampus Those are already on my wish list. I didn’t make the connection. Thanks!

[@omnipitous4648]

For the love of god, please get the audio equalized between Bart and you. Otherwise I love your Bart series. I have seen every one.

[@annabizaro-doo-dah]

Bart mentioned below that they're working on it 😊

[@omnipitous4648]

Thanks Anna 👴

[@camilleespinas2898]

I think we should get on with it !!

[@toneg3768]

Jesus always referred to the new kingdom as being here, imminent, in the gospels. Everyone deals with this by going outside to gospels to cite scriptures of people saying what Jesus said, usually it's different than what Jesus himself said. Almost like they cleaning up Jesus mess because what he said didn't happen. Plus are they holding what someone else said over their lord? So convenient for them, but don't you try it. Very good video, I learned a lot.

[@danielpaulson8838]

We have two lives. And the second one starts once we realize we only have one life. That is the point in our life where apocalyptic works pick up. They nest the way inward.

[@user-zh6mk4so4v]

I think that at some point the historical study interacts with the person's beliefs(either we like it or not)...e.g (if someone believes that Jesus is a prophet then he wouldn't say something and it doesn't happen(some of the disciples won't die before they witness the coming of the Kingdom of God) ) but that doesn't mean that it necessarily contradicts with the certain outcomes of the historical study since the utmost thing we can say about Jesus' sayings (as Dr Bart mentioned is(probably)).

[@johnsinclair2672]

I’m interested to hear that Jesus asked John (the Apostle I assume?) to Jezebel... We are always taught that the Apostles were illiterate and therefore couldn’t read and write. This Revelation text would tend to contradict what we’re taught!

[@DrustZapat]

Which of his books should I start with?

[@thomasrhodes5013]

We were all indoctrinated to believe that we believe in one God, but we don't believe in one God. Christians believe in a Trinity and by any sort of cognomen, this is three Gods.

[@Lfppfs]

Another very interesting episode, thank you, Megan and Bart!

[@sjmurphysj39]

Is it just me or is Bart mixed lower in the audio?

[@kristiroth8289]

Yeah, he's a little hard to hear sometimes.

[@bartdehrman]

Working on it! I swear!

[@spankduncan1114]

@@bartdehrman a little better mic at close proximity with the gain high enough. It wouldn't hurt to tone down a bit the reverb of the room. Mainly if you match the ambience on both sides of the conversation it's a more comfortable listen.

[@dancahill9585]

Maybe it is just me, but the mixing and relative volumes seem off to me. Bart's audio seems lower and a bit muddy with a slight echo while Megan's sounds good. So I want to turn it up to hear Bart, but if I do that, Megan is blasting me out.

[@Mubarak386]

Dr. Bart Erhman good day. Since you mentioned prophet Daniel prophecy which talk about kingdom of God that will destroy the idol and the 4 pagan kingdoms and will remain forever, please read my note and tell me your feedback. Thank you for your efforts.

[@Bronco541]

Why is it difficult to find an interview with Bart where his and the interviewers volumes match? Im sorry to nitpick but this is especially annoying when using headphones.

[@utah133]

As a former Mormon, I often think that I may be a bit fortunate. The improbability of that faith was a bit easier to reject. Then analysis of basic Christianity was easy to see as a man made construct.

[@dallingeis4570]

Same here! I’m greatful for my experience with deconstructing Mormonism, it really equips you with the skills and confidence in those skills to deconstruct Christianity. There’s so many parallels between the two

[@MsFitz134]

😅 I third that motion! Although I would consider myself a progressive Christian so maybe I don't count - I'm less concerned about the divinity of Jesus or the reality of his miracles, but think that his example of replacing the rules with radical inclusion and unconditional love is valuable and will lead to a temporal "salvation" of society, minimizing the impact of hate and selfishness in the world. Essentially, Mormonism definitely made me unable to accept the message of evangelicalism and mainstream Christianity, but I still think Jesus the man had the right idea.

[@integrationalpolytheism]

33:18 - hmm, have you heard Dr Tabor pointing out that you can remove many of the references to Jesus from Revelation and it still reads fine, almost as though somebody added in "and his son Jesus Christ" wherever they could throughout the book at a later stage? He makes the point that this would be impossible with Paul, but that Revelation works fine without any references to Jesus included.

[@kyliereed200]

Thank you for helping me heal from the trauma of radical indoctrination ❤

[@tinsolder9929]

Lovely, friendly and kindly. Then fiercely clever, and collegiate.

[@timothyharmon9472]

Yes, we WILL be interested in Jesus as an apocalypticist

[@kencreten7308]

I appreciate hearing about Megan's projects.

[@lordticklish]

The thing about the end of the world is that the believers tend to be zealots and so are willing to do what they can to make sure it happened. Who wants to be proven wrong?

[@sloansizzle4023]

The small talk at the beginning sucks

[@juditrotter5176]

A Rabbi introduced me to the fact that the Jewish calendar ends with the year 6000 and it is now 5783. Given the hysterical reaction to Y2K it’s surprising it is not noted widely.

[@urbandiscount]

I wonder which rabbi actually told you this.

[@nasonguy]

I am very much looking forward to that book about how early Christianity changed ethics in the world. I absolutely loved the peak into that as provided by "Desire of the Everlasting Hills" by Thomas Cahill, but I found it to be a historically, well, vague. It seemed to gloss over lots of things and felt like the author was proselytizing for his particular brand of Christianity. It'll be great to read Bart's take on it and compare the two.

[@Mubarak386]

Dr. Bart Erhman, Regarding prophecies, Why God promised land is given to Muslims Arab (Abraham' descendants from ismaeal) not Jewish (Abraham' descendants from Isaac)?

[@russellmiles2861]

I think the joke goes; Abraham "If only wed gone the other way, the Jews would have all the oil"

[@nizamm4908]

Bro, a sincere advice. There is really no need for justification whatsoever from either the present Torah nor the Injeel. It has been mistranslated, rewrote wrongly or with bias, reinterpreted, and to sum it up,, corrupted. You think Moses, peace be upon him, spoke in Hebrew? No, he didn't. The Prophet although not a historian, said about this adequately when he told Umar, "Do not believe or disbelieve, for you might believe when it is false or disbelieve when it is true but say 'We believe in what is revealed to us (the Quran) and we believe in what was revealed to you (the original Torah and Injeel)'". Like I said, the Prophet was not a historian who spend decades pondering over ancient manuscripts yet he knows this 1500 years before Bart Erhman. You are asking a non Muslim secular historian question of belief. That is something very odd. It is like asking the late Patricia Crone whether she believe Muhammad, peace be upon him, is a true Prophet or not. Secular historian look at history without believe in any divine intervention and made their hypothesis of what happened. My apology if I offend you in anyway.

[@pamjohnson5316]

❤️

[@zapkvr]

Baigent Leigh and Lincoln in The Holy blood and the holy grail assert that the some Jews around the time of Jesus were convinced they were living in the end times.

[@aj7009]

👍

[@ay8187]

What are your thoughts about 2 Peter 3:4 “Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”

[@mickeydecurious]

I say 2 Peter was demoing that the second coming hasn't happened c yet; as they still do today. Personally I think if you continue to look for the end you miss planning a better future World, because you're too fixated on a world that you have to die to get to😢

[@chadgarber]

Sorry to keep wining but Bart's volume is way lower.

[@eldansambatyon]

come on, NOT NEXT WEDNESDAY! you only have to watch out when they start building the temple......

[@royhiggins7270]

The thing that I am most grateful for is that I was able to escape the Mind Prison of Christianity. I am grateful that I don't believe in the horror movie of resurrections, demons, devils or eternal torture. I am grateful that I don't want to force raped women and children to give birth. I am grateful that I don't believe that the majority of those born will grow up to die and suffer eternally in hell. I am grateful that I can see how insane this truly makes the anti-abortion zealot because they do believe that the majority of those born will eventual suffer eternally yet they want more births and more to grow up and suffer this eternal fate and yet they also believe that those who die before the age of reason go to heaven. According to their own beliefs abortion is the most moral thing a woman could ever do...guaranteed heaven over eternal torment.

[@quij7ote222]

These are wonderful podcasts. They address in a clear and concise way questions that so many, who are especially troubled and confused, want answered. Really doing Bible study doesn't actually affirm your beliefs; it raises a thousand questions that many pastors and Bible teachers can't or won't answer. Your programs give hope. The downside, for me, is that it hammers home what I could and should have pursued and didn't. Along with my joy at these programs come a profound sadness and regret. You two are mentors without maybe intending to be, and the message is clear: open your minds, stay disciplined and be fearless. Thank you.

[@dubsar]

18. (1) The disciples said to Jesus: “Tell us how our end will be.” (2) Jesus said: “Have you already discovered the beginning that you are now asking about the end? For where the beginning is, there the end will be too. (3) Blessed is he who will stand at the beginning. And he will know the end, and he will not taste death.”

[@integrationalpolytheism]

25:02 - to make the claim that a certain literary character actually said something in history, you do have to first show convincingly that that character actually did exist in history. No wonder there are debates about what Jesus "actually" "said".

[@RodriguesPaul360]

It would be interesting to do an episode on the details of the saturnalia festival and how it’s been changed and still celebrated today just sugar coated into modern practice .. ie Christmas We need to stop hiding from the truth just because we want to act oblivious and have an excuse to participate in something that we see as fun for the sake of what it’s worth .. are we selling our souls for the price of material emotional experience??

[@annabizaro-doo-dah]

Great idea for a podcast episode.

[@invaderhorizongreen8168]

Can you prove a soul exists much less it can be sold?

[@kencreten7308]

Wait, it's really coming this time? :)

[@RomanPaganChurch]

So we just going to ignore the Book of Job regarding the adversary? We going to ignore Noah warning people for over a hundred years while being ignored? We going to ignore the adversarial serpent right in the beginning of the Bible? Interesting

[@invaderhorizongreen8168]

Noah's flood may have been stolen from other flood myths, and do you have any idea how a world wide flood would have killed EVERY fresh and salt water eco system dead. Also there would be evidence of sediment from it as well.

[@mathewfinch]

The adversary in Job was an angel in El Elion's court that was employed by El Elion. The snake in Genesis was supposed to be a snake.

[@timothymulholland7905]

Prophetess Kat Kerr has been to Heaven several times and has the latest word from Jesus himself! Forget Revelations. Oh, and send her money.

[@Hamann9631]

18:30. Or if a true God knows the future, then that true God can tell His prophets the future. That is the case.

[@thelostone6981]

@ 10:41 reminds me of how a Mormon High Priest gave a family member of mine a “Patriarchal Bessing”. This is very common practice and most members get these when they are of age. The blessing is a mixture of a “be faithful” talk and downright prophetic about the person’s future. My family member was told she would live to see the second coming of Christ in her blessing. Which family member am I talking about? My great-great grandmother and she died in the 1950s. So I laugh at Dr Erhman saying every generation thinks they’ll see the Second coming and end times.

[@MsFitz134]

Yup! I grew up Mormon, for awhile was obsessed with tracking down and reading the patriarchal blessings of my ancestors. There was a big trend up until fairly recently of telling people they'd be around to see the second coming. So much so that I remember this being justified in a seminary class as meaning that they would be resurrected to see it take place, or that they would be one of the angels descending from heaven with Jesus. Because, you know, hundreds of patriarchs couldn't be wrong. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@peterjordaan4090]

Excellent interview and Prof. Bart Ehrman, Brilliant as ever

[@mikeyhau]

I will look forward to "Sumerian Grammar for Dummies", or whatever the title is. 😀

[@DigitalHammurabi]

Learn to Read Ancient Sumerian: An Introduction for Complete Beginners :D Volume 1 is available now, volume 2 is nearly done!

[@plantagomajor]

Great information, thank you. With all due respect, can there be time stamps added to the video’s in future. So we can skip to the topics of interest?

[@meenki347]

Sumerian might have passed a very few words to even modern English. The word for ruler in Sumerian was, "lugal". I noticed that my Korean mother pronounced "rice" as "lice". But this is well known by people. We call rice, bop. Unfortunately, PC linguists will not admit these kinds of linguistic paradigm changes occur if they are considered "offensive" stereotypes. Yet they occur. Note: the English "R" and "L" sounds are represented by the same letter in Korean. Does lugal still exist in Modern English as a linguistic fossil, as "regal" today? Even the modern word "Senate", obviously comes from Latin. But it comes from a still older word from Ancient Egyptian. And even the Modern English word, "thieves" comes from the Ancient Egyptian name of the city of Thebes. It had a bad reputation.

[@Mubarak386]

Dr. Bart Erhman Can you please present a lucture about prophecies of a great nation mentioned in holy Bible from Ismaeal's descendants (Arab) and how God talk about Ismael sons and their cities in wonderful and mignifisant words? What is God & Jesus's view towards Jews according to Holy Bible?

[@oldbaldpaul8138]

I just dropped in to say I'm in love with Megan!

[@russellmiles2861]

I recently read a PEW survey that gave the proportion of folk in USA who believe Jesus would return again. I was bemused that despite this being a elementary tenet of Christian belief not all those describing themselves as Christian even evangelicals answered in the affirmative. Moreover, a significant number of those identifying as atheist answered yes to the question. I can only assume folk didn't understand the question, a methodological issue or some people just want it over with. But I'm going with ignorance

[@jimgraham6722]

Great, yet more apocalypse.

[@susanmcdonald9088]

Always interesting, thank you! The new book sounds great! I love the trinity of Greek concepts, Ethos (ethics), Pathos (human emotion), and Logos translated as Word in John, but is better translated as Reason.... A great documentary on Greek drama is BBC's The Greatest Show on Earth, fabulous! And relates the creation of democracy & politicized theatre, it covers a wide array of those plays you mention... But for this topic of end of world scenarios, may come as much from the past as from the future, an extraordinary look at myths, REMEMBERING THE END OF THE WORLD. (The thunderbolts of the gods channel mixes plasma physics & different skies in the past with electric & plasma cosmologies, not gravity, in their other documentaries if this one grabs your interest...). Myths around the world since the planets were the gods, explain where religion & destruction of the world, originates! REMEMBERING THE END OF THE WORLD: kzbin.info/www/bejne/paDTmX2EobVgnM0 (the flood, etcetcetc) And Greek mystery schools, Bart! Dionysus wine & Demeter bread (grain). There's the heart & soul of Christianity! Even Paul knew what's what, he goes to Corinth, the sailors of antiquity; their patron goddess, Aphrodite. He gives his beautiful passage on Love. It's all Greek, hellenized Judaism, even the Romans borrowed it all, even the Arabs, and it spread from there always with Renaissances of culture... Jezebel is the dark aspect of APHRODITE or Venus, the planet. She can rage like a comet in very ancient days ;) I think the Pandora myth of the Greeks, the first woman, where Hope is the only evil not released from the jar (uterus), indicates its humanity itself, that is the problem...

[@Chandransingham]

Good show. Little known facts are brought to the surface to ponder and wonder.

[@shoshanazeitler7654]

I Disagree. I believe they Noach wrote down what Enoch told him. Hr five it to Shem as well as the book of healing the angels gave him. The book of Enoch was found in the Dead Sea scrolls as well as Jubilees and Esdra. Look them up!!

[@user-wg8bs8do1c]

Yeah 500 year old Noah typed it all out on his laptop!

[@invaderhorizongreen8168]

Kinda funny we have been saying end of the world sense around 66CE

[@lepidoptera9337]

The world did end for a lot of Jewish people in 70AD and then, again, in 135AD. That was not a fairytale but the Roman equivalent of the Holocaust.

[@lisaboban]

Megan's husband write anti-apologist arguments about the Old Testament? Who is he and where can I listen to THAT podcast?

[@bartdehrman]

He's on the Digital Hammurabi channel with Megan

[@karlu8553]

Also just search KZbin for Dr Joshia Bowen and you'll find him interviewed/guesting on multiple channels. Great guy. He and Dr. Kipp Davis (Dead Sea Scrolls scholar) occasionally team up and had a fun and often insightful convo about the "Death of Christian Apologetics" on the Mythvision channel

[@karlu8553]

*Joshua Bowen

[@Wendy-xk5uh]

Could it be possible that we are in satan's little season?

[@mickeydecurious]

Isn't it written that we've been in Satan's little domain since the beginning or at least since we've been kicked out. What if when Adam and Eve were kicked out the garden Satan was was too, and we've been stuck together since the beginning of "intelligent" life... I find it interesting that in the Bible Men was created on the 6th day(Eve came later), and allegedly six is bad🤔 Explains the high divorce rate😅

[@KaiHenningsen]

You probably know about apocalypticism when you listen to mythicists, Bart Ehrman, or other (non-evangelical?) scholars talking about the life of Jesus. Which I'm assuming is many of the people here.

[@rpoorbaugh]

8:39

[@Sam-zu5mr]

No one knows except ME🌟 and I'm not telling. It's coming..that's all I'm saying

[@yvonnegordon1952]

so if you were God and you wanted to bring people to the SAME CONSCIOUSNESS you have (MAN in YOUR image and likeness) would you just say, hey, here is a law: Love me and everyone as yourself. God it??? Sure, we got it: Great, now lets eat! If you don't see God working all things together for good, even Christianity which is diverse because "knowing God" is not as simple as giving the END RESULT, but taking someone on the journey to get there and this journey comes with so many phases and so much unfolding of the creature who must transform to this "Man" in Gods image and likeness, that every part of it is EXPRESSED in time, hence six days you will labor. For what? For being transformed into my image and likeness and it is the likeness that takes so dang long. If you have reached the level of "man" resurrected or Adam resurrected, you can see all these sects and denominations as people trying to incorporate all the phases into ONE NEW BEING, and it is impossible without the help of the good root within you, the Messiah within you, rising to bring you into the image and especially likeness of Hashem. I just don't understand how such a 'smart' man as Tovia can't grasp that. The reason however is that the HOLY ANOINTING never rose in him to this day. So he can speak against what he THINKS is the truth, but he can't really ever explain what is the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. No, he is waiting for that too even to this day. Abraham the father of "many" nations, is the father of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Jews can deny that all day and Sunday but those who claim him claim him and they claim Judaism as part of their book but in truth, they will have to include Islam who is also Abraham's family: Yet the order was put out there for a reason: God knows the END from the beginning. Jews bear the ROOT of the tree of knowledge (both roots but the good one comes through Judah, the chosen to bring an end to the evil root) which brings Christianity on the scene and Israel is gathered and sanctified with Judah as one again or with the rest of the heart, and then Islam is gathered as the nations to Christianity which is why they write more about Mary and Jesus than Mohammad PBU, God (Hashem) wanted a diverse family and Jews get the part of bringing the Messiah or good root into the world, hence Gods blood, his anointing into the world. If they don't do that, their part is still up in the air, still up for grabs to whosoever will do it and these will be the TRUE Jews: Just because God means to make Israel eternal and his inheritance, never think that he will just accept anyone as being anointed and joined to him because they are born in a country or into a religion. Think of those who he exiles and those swallowed up when they rebelled against Moses and even today, how many enemies surround Israel and they want to blame the enemies, when Hashem said if they are right with him, he will make their enemies be at peace with them. If they are not right with him, their enemies will become the head and they will become the tail. Deut Song of Moses: so Jews are the first and bear the root of the tree but the tree of knowledge still works from the evil root (VOID, emptiness) that causes men to hate one another and hating Jews is easier than hating anyone because they go around saying "we are the chosen of God" and you will serve us in the end and cleave to our skirts for all the knowledge and understanding of God: The nations look at the Jews and are simply not impressed. WHY? They are the parents who fight all the time and tell their kids to behave and be right with a God that will never accept them as being chosen like they are. OK? If you are going to be parents you better be the best example and love your kids or expect them to turn against you and find some place else to find the answers for life. God didn't forget about his "people" so he gave them a way to come home again, become part of the head that remains the tail so he can PUSH the parents to finishing their VOW and correct the root and bring the LIGHT of Messiah into the world. So far, the Jews resist the Messiah more than anyone, so what does that show you? Do as we say but don't do as we do: so here and there he anoints one from the tribe of Judah, house of David, but just like with Saul and David, Israel hates David or the anointed and the whole Psalms show how much David endured from his own brothers, even like Joseph did when they sold him because God gave him a purpose where his father (sun) mother (moon) and stars (brothers) would bow to him. And yet Tovia says, God never wants anyone to bow to a man: There is so much that they simply can't explain or care to explain but just coitize and cleave to feast days they don't comprehend by experience except traditionally. I've been sharing the truth of the experience of the anointing for 30 years with Jews. They are not even open to a discussion: and speaking of the sun moon stars created on the fourth day, it is Israel and it is the Messiah who is revealed within the house of David that gathers Israel as ONE MAN with one heart. While Christianity is certainly divided, can you say they are anymore divided than the parents who showed them the wrong way to "know" Hashem? Islam tell their people, don't become a Christian: You have to go to hell to be a Christian. They know and at least they admit they don't want to do it. David does it: David starts Christianity by entering hell (THE EVIL ROOT) so he can make the tree good, a tree of life to those who grasp it. So in time, David was snuffed out again by his brothers but God said, NOPE: They may not want David but the nations will love him and for the most part, if Jews didn't make it so hard for Christians to love the Messiah, they would have brought many more people to Hashem through the GOOD ROOT of the tree of knowledge. Islam however will bring peace when the Jews finally finish correcting the root so the heart (Christianity) can be ONE and the FEET (Islam) will walk out what is in the heart and mind and carry Israel on their shoulders. Israel will include the people of the King of Israel, Christianity but they won't need to be a religion anymore than Judaism is. Why? Because the earth will be FILLED with Hashem's glory as the waters (TORAH) cover the sea (subconscious) making all things HIDDEN, conscious. (no more sea): These three will be at peace in the land and they will be an example of how Hashem works in the RESURRECTED ADAM, one man with one heart because all the dead men's bones of the house of Israel will be resurrected by the Spirit of prophecy given to the witnesses of Messiah in themselves. Isa 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: Isa 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance. Assyria, the work of Hashem's hands is Christianity, the workmanship of God of turning the creature into a "son" of God, from Abraham and all his descendants. Israel always comes "OUT" of the nations, "MADE" by Hashem as a peculiar people from all nations: This is why they struggle so much with hatred among themselves. They don't come from a tribe like the nations do but from all tribes of all people who come out as a people for Hashem's name. Nations have identity and Israel has only one identity that will work in the end. Children of the most high or they simply don't exist but can go back to where ever they come from and be a gentile that benefits from the ones who rose above their personal hate, their evil root, making it good by the Messiah rising in them. . It is written God only needs 10% of the people to become the head (Malachi) which is the TITHE they pay to be raised above the nations they come from. The way the ego (vessel of vanity ) handles this is by forcing people to obey God's laws without even understanding them or realizing that the "heart must be enlarged" to grasp them (da'at):

[@KaiHenningsen]

"What are you doing today?" Careful when they tell you they are writing a monograph about the distinction between the ashes of the various tobaccos.

[@geico1975]

In my opinion, it would be unfair to label Jesus misogynistic based on a couple of verses in the book of Revelation. For example, Jesus was the only one left standing after the Pharisees brought in a lady claiming they should start stoning her because she was caught in the act of adultery. Jesus says, "let those without sin cast the first stone." Of course, they all walk away without stoning her and Jesus is like "go and sin no more." Now, in my opinion, it would also be unfair to label Jesus a philogynist based on a couple of verses in the book of John. Just saying:)

[@Kyeudo]

["In my opinion, it would be unfair to label Jesus misogynistic based on a couple of verses in the book of Revelation. "] The literary character of Jesus varies in characterization according to which author is using him. The Book of Revelation can portray Jesus as a misogynist while another book portrays Jesus as more egalitarian. [" For example, Jesus was the only one left standing after the Pharisees brought in a lady claiming they should start stoning her because she was caught in the act of adultery. Jesus says, "let those without sin cast the first stone.""] The story of the woman taken in adultery is one of the known insertions into the gospels. It is not in evidence in the earliest manuscripts.

[@juditrotter5176]

I would love to see you and the wonderful Gnostic researcher talk about your book. She has talked about it often. My brain for has lifted to reveal Dr Elaine Pagels!

[@rpoorbaugh]

15:02

[@dubsar]

Luckily, today we have mathematics and physics to predict that the end of the world will happen within 60 years, as for 2023.

[@JeannieSoko]

Really? Like I don't believe it

[@giuseppemannino5204]

thank you dott Bart,I have a question about the book of revelation,!can be compatible with da Vinci code??😂😂😂😂

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

she is writing a translation guide for sumerian. it's written in cuneiform, no alphabet. her spouse dissertation is on sumerian spelling. It was still used in rituals by people who didn't speak it. he is reading about christianity on change in ethics and reading greek & roman ethics. apocalyspse in greek, means unveiling. yeahood believed world is run by evil and will bring a good utopian world. this line of thinking is in Nt. he will write book armageddon what bible really teaches on this. 10 :00 - many misinterpret book of revelation. Dan and ezekiel, written for gen audience. every generation thinks they are the last. in Ot there is theme of why they suffer. Northern kingdom gone, then southern... they have sinned and they were punished and need to repent before worse. antioches was a ruler who told the yeahhood if you follow law you will lose your life. Around this time instead of saying its for their sins, they say the pagans are working with the deviI and there are demons. said it's in book of Daniel then becomes prominent says book of dan wasnt in babylonian exiled but 2nd century bce. ppl say books are written earlier to make their prophecies look accurate. Dan predicts the 4 kingdoms... then Kingdom of god comes ( Islam) babylonians taken out by medes, taken out by persians taken out by Romans... 20 :00 - tertulian writes about enoch who sopposedly went up to heaven. says ppl say Noah memorized his words. ppl were wrong on ezekiel saying the city of tire will fall. another prophecy was the Kingdom of God, mark 9 v. 1, mark 13, So now people try to change the story. 30 :00 - vengeance, , wrath, revelations doesn't have words like Love or hope. in some apocalyptic views, a person gets a tour of heaven and then it explains the problems on Earth. then there's the historical sketch type. in revelation chapter 4, taken up to heaven and then gets an order of things to come. persia conquered the yeahhood, did their zoroastrian dualistic thought affect them. says tehre is a view Jesus is an apocalyptic prophet. 40 :00 - character zeno said don't care much about worldly possession or what you wear? ppl try to link teachings of Jesus and stoichism. says rabbinix judaism rejected apocalypses, says it comes out of farisi judaism. Farisis were apocalyptic. in yra 70, temple destroyed. Rabbinic teachers said apocalyptic isn't right, so in judaism they removed it but not in christianity.. yeahood still had mysticism like qablah. in 160s there was uprising on antiochius and maccabean revolt lrasel was independent from 140s bce to 40 bce until pompei arrives. Q - is condemnin jezebel tied to change in views on girls. 50 :00 - jezebel is accused of promoting eating meat sacrificed to idols, it was expensive to get people to sacrifice meat the right way as they didn't have the tech we have to do. jezebel was accused or threatened with Znah. alot of apologists don't represent Jesus accurately in history!