My 2023 ADV OU viability rankings

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[@BKCplaysPokemon]

Last week, I saw a film. As I recall, it was a horror film. Stepped outside into the rain, and there was no sandstorm to contest it so Kingdra wound up sweeping.

[@therealjohnrenzi1817]

And I Hydro'd in my pants.

[@drakejohnson5386]

I don't mean to sound negative, but I have found great utility in video chapters or timestamps. Especially in longer videos that do have distinct sections.

[@samu1414]

Timestamps are convinient but considering how often BKC rambles and bleeds one point to another and the fact that these videos are just so RAW, you lose something when you add timestamps and the like, it completely ruins BKC's style

[@keiharris332]

Then I JIZZED IN MY PANTS

[@mistermr2147]

Petition to rename Rain Dance Kingdra to "Rizz in my pants".

[@yusuf_ali610]

finally, i now have my opinion on ADV viability rankings

[@tylerd1297]

Jimothy Cool, is that you? /s

[@haruharudude]

Yall need to stop telling on yourselves 😭😭

[@darrenmcfadden6744]

Right?

[@RP-tatari-]

​@@tylerd1297tbf I feel like more than half of legacy gen pokemon content on KZbin is highly BKC informed lol

[@dtdc7209]

@@RP-tatari- cause hes the goat

[@thepunisher6674]

I have never played ADV but I do always enjoy watching BKC rambling about ADV for hours

[@tylerd1297]

I think it's kind of boring compared to dpp but fun to watch

[@themilkman7921]

Definitely worth a try

[@JJSquirtle]

@@tylerd1297 I like the creativity, like earlier tonight I focus punched a counter aggron for the sickest punish of my life

[@peternicholas3719]

Same

[@benjihuynh2970]

Time for more Snorlax slander let's go

[@itamar586]

"I really want to like Gardevoir, it's just too hard to fit." -BKC, 2023

[@awkwardcultism]

That can happen when you drink too many PP Ups.

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

​@@awkwardcultism🤨🤨🤨

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

i love the older gens viability rankings. it’s usually a big deal when something changes position in viability

[@mandalorianhunter1]

I agree, it's always nice to see how old meta games evolve and change

[@BeazerProductions]

Case in point: Charizard and Moltres are both OU, and it's not crazy to say Charizard is the better of the two.

[@shignificent]

As a man who assigns entirely too much of his time to thinking about this robust and throughly complex, niche and outdated children's game metagame... I couldn't be happier with this being in my subscription tab. I've really enjoyed your uploads lately; ADV OU is by far my favorite metagame out of those I have played so far. I appreciate you!!!! 🙏 🤲 🕍 🕌 ⛪️ 🛕 🙏 🤲 🕍 🕌 ⛪️ 🛕 🙏 🤲 🕍 🕌 ⛪️

[@carpemortem155]

The fact that legitimate teams have been made of 5 or even 6 flying/levitating Pokémon to just not deal with spikes is a huge testament to skarms ability to warp the game. It’s really tempting for me to say skarm is number one… but ttar is right there..

[@Rose-ez7yn]

Superman exists in later gens too yk

[@shadownite3378]

@@Rose-ez7yn superman in later gens is useless when most ppl just run stealth rocks though. Why bother at that point

[@Rose-ez7yn]

@@shadownite3378 spikes are very powerful in many later gens (see: ferrothorn, skarmory, greninja, even stuff like garchomp in cg) and even then a lot of later gen superman teams would use pokemon like poison heal gliscor and magic guard pokemon to avoid the rocks damage in the first place. Even if they were affected by rocks, avoiding spikes is still important. Not to mention the whole item added into sword and shield which gives immunity to all hazards

[@shadownite3378]

@@Rose-ez7yn I dont disagree that spikes were still good mind you and I am willing to admit Im wrong here since my experience with the meta's of the later gens is admittedly a bit more limited and you seem more knowledgeable on the subject than me, but from my experience of playing Ive never heard of anyone ever using superman team just to primarily avoid spikes. It seems like they would serve far less of a purpose when: A) Stealth rocks are more common and more consistent B) Even when people did run spikes they usually ran it alongside rocks in my experience. Rendering superman teams more pointless when they were still taking residual damage anyways. C) More and more ways of removing entry hazards and/or making them less reliable became available (Magic guard, defog, more reliable spinners, Heavy duty boots from gen 7 as you mentioned, etc). So why bother at that point when you can just use those options available to you? Options that weren't in Gen 3.

[@Rose-ez7yn]

@@shadownite3378 i would consider heavy duty boots spam to be a form of superman. Really, the point is teams which are resilisnt towards hazard damage. So stuff like mega latias, rotom wash, gliscor, clefable, reuniclus, skarmory, toxapex all of those show a level of resiliance against hazards that most pokemon do not, and often do not need support the same way something like mega scizor, volcarona, or chansey would

[@Cobalt957]

No Lanturn in A+!?

[@tylerd1297]

Literally unsubscribed when I saw its placement. I don't care about this guys accolades he is clearly out of touch /s

[@LazurBeemz]

Its hilarious to me that people have to call it a "viability ranking" instead of a "tier list" because OU is itself a "tier"

[@stupidflandrs4856]

Over the last few weeks I've been learning ADV OU as a way to get back into Pokemon in general. Your videos have been amazing resources and really inspire me to properly build my own teams and experiment (within reason), and it's given me a new appreciation for your content that I didn't have when I was playing Gen 8. Thanks for giving these older metagames the thoughtful coverage they need

[@keiharris332]

It makes sense T-tar is a step in front of Skarm. To quote Light when he was playing a "friendly" game of tennis: "To win, one must attack!"

[@Rose-ez7yn]

Passive damage is an attack and so is a drill peck

[@keiharris332]

@@Rose-ez7yn yes but the basis of winning requires offense. To count drill peck as an offense compared to stone edge is comparing an amateur boxers punch to Mike Tyson's punch. Also, nitpicking does not change the fact. Foolish semantics at best.

[@Rose-ez7yn]

@@keiharris332 nice i love using tyranitars stone edge that it definitely learns in advance. Sort of gives me an image that youve never played advance... but i digress. Anyways, mentioning drill peck was admittedly me being a little silly because the real reason skarm is used is because of spikes which are basically offenses best friend. With sand and spikes in the picture, the attacks that would normally bounce off of pokemon become much stronger. Blissey can answer mixmence at full, for example, but when sand and spikes are up, it suddenly cannot.

[@galaxian23]

this is the edited version of BKCs VR rankings, the uncut original is 9 hours long

[@moeeyeguy531]

I’m not usually one to talk about Pokémon pronunciations but Glalie caught me off guard.

[@donlyphans7801]

My man I have come back to this video like 50 times! After getting comfortable with the glitch where you snag a R/S battle tower pokemon off of an enemy trainer, I decided it was time to craft the ADV OU metagame (38 differently EV'ed pokemon) on my old cartridges. I've cloned all of the pokemon and traded them to my extra emerald cart and now I can have ADV OU battles on my TV via pokemon colosseum. Thank you for the video and I adore the gen 3 content!

[@Fideedle]

Did you change your mind on Lanturn or did you just forget to mention it? I remember you being a pretty big advocate of it just a little bit ago & I was pretty impressed by it's unique qualities in OU

[@jasonberezowski2869]

I'm so glad these videos exist. I still love talking about and playing gen GSC and ADV

[@Quasartist]

I'm glad you have such positive things to say about Weezing because I personally think it's very underrated. Coming in on any ground move means you're almost guaranteed to get a Will-O-Wisp off and cripple something, and if things go south you can either blow up or try to Destiny Bond. I generally find that Weezing trades more often than not. Which I suppose makes it on par with Glailie but I find that it's harder to get rid of a burn than it is to get rid of spikes so I'd hold Weezing in much higher regard either way.

[@BensonMakesMusic]

One hour of fresh ADV content, AND I just brewed a nice cup of coffee to sip while watching. Exactly what I needed this evening. BKC delivering the goods as always!

[@y00py62]

Was struggling to fall asleep. New BKC vid to the rescue

[@aeternis7680]

i just can’t ever imagine spikes being as impactful as sand, i’ll always have ttar as the best and skarm as the third best (zap is my #2)

[@deeznoots6241]

What does zapdos actually do tho? its obviously a great pivot and can smack Skarmory/waters but its only ever part of a team, it isn’t anywhere near as meta defining as skarm or ttar

[@RsSooke]

I am new to ADV OU but lately I have been seeing some success with Skarm, T-Tar, Gengar, Salamence, Metagross and Swampert. I like the coverage and Gengar's Will-O-Wisp is massive. I also took boom off of Metagross and found it has more utility/consistency.

[@blazie42069]

Would have raised swampert to a+ due to how many things it can counter/check if they don't have HP grass. I mean there is a damn good reason why Tyranitar runs HP grass

[@raw-b6658]

That’s a big if, So much stuff runs HP grass just for pert which has caused it to drop.

[@despicableone4495]

Papa pert is always dependable

[@devincharlvanvuuren6194]

Them needing to run HP grass for pert is proof of his relevance

[@Victini0510]

Wait a second

[@unyoshisauvageapparait9260]

8:00

[@AttitudeIndicator]

The defensive problems you describe with omastar are alleviated by gorebyss, has the 2nd best hydro pump and 104 defense, a good middle ground between omastars stopping power and frailness. I like to run mystic water which 1hko's banded gross in rain, or +spa berry which 2hko's blissey in rain

[@zambsDGOW]

thumbnail goes insane

[@GggGgg-ky2hk]

This may sounds like the "hey, what about x pokemon" comments tier lists tend to get and it honestly kind of is, but it surprised me that P2 wasnt even mentioned. Why was that? (if you want to answer of course)

[@Lamentationsofapoory]

I dont even play ADV OU but you bet your ass I'm listening to this omw to work.

[@wayward41]

I kind of want to give BL meta a try, if it's not totally unplayable. The amount of mons that are awesome but impossible to fit and suffocated by the monstrous mons running OU is tragic.

[@Nootathotep]

The one thing I cannot understand is Venusaur being so high. Sceptile and Ludicolo have a lot going for them, Venusaur has a nice BST but I don’t see how it’s so wildly great it’s outdoing Breloom

[@williamdrum9899]

Whoever drew the thumbnail, you're very talented

[@Nootathotep]

We stan BKC talking about the first 4 anticlockwise

[@TheBestFormOfHumor]

What

[@sephikong8323]

The Gengar respect is greatly appreciated as a big Gengar proponent. I recall how a few years ago I held the belief that Gengar was the number 2 of the tier for just how much pressures he puts on teambuilding and whenever it hits the field. I am not as crazy as I was back then, but I still think Gengar is the number 3 and it's crazy to me how many people sleep on Gengar

[@miguelbaptista4953]

I am kind of sad you didn't talk about P2 😢

[@jester143]

LOL Everyone knows Roselia should be number 1. Do you even play this tier??? It's ridiculously OP ATM RN. Disliked and unsubbed.

[@kalif2164]

so true jestie

[@abarette_]

wait so you're telling me Metagross, throughout its 15+ years of existence, never once learned Rapid Spin?

[@N279]

BKC when someone says nothing of 😱

[@jacopodeldeo4308]

The only placements I don’t agree with are hariama and breloom. Hariama cuz I can’t for the life of me make a team where it feels like the best option even tough it has great strengths and breloom cuz i’m biased i love its design and how it plays and beacause of that i make it fit in everything

[@DarkAquatix]

Here’s a follow-on question - what would ADV be like with DPP’s Physical-Special Split?

[@boop53]

idk much about the tier, but banded ttar pursuits would go crazy, and gengar would have a lot less movepool diversity

[@mrbigotes9974]

Not much would change really... Gengar would lose quite a lot, since most movesets run the Elemental Punches for diversity and coverage. Banded Ttar could use stab on dark type, that could be scary. Hidden Power could be eeeh for mons like Dactyl that use HP Flying for stab

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

@@mrbigotes9974 what about salamence getting even stronger outrages?

[@mrbigotes9974]

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 dunno about that... don't wanna do the calcs rn, but I'm pretty sure Mix-mence with a Special Outrage hits harder than a Physical Outrage on the switch-ins like Gross and Skarmory. It would demolish Blissey tho

[@vitovitovito4927]

​​​@@fulltimeslackerii8229 Mence does not get Outrage in Gen 3. And also in gen 3 outrage was a horrible move even for an hypothetical special-attacker dragon type, 90 base power, lasts for 2 turns and confuses afterwards lol Dragon Claw would still be nasty though

[@kammerverschluZ]

My personal ranking: 1) Ttar 2) Skarm 3) Blissey 4) Zap 5) Swampert 6) Meta 7) Gengar (S and A+ Tier) Also A Tier: Claydol, Salamence, Celebi, Jirachi, Aerodactyl, Dugtrio, Suicune Low A Tier: Snorlax and Starmie

[@shady8045]

wait what does Venusaur even do? like am I missing something?

[@nestorbailon7585]

BKC is the top 1 Snorlax hater. First, he made a video claiming that Zapdos is as good as the sleeping giant in GSC and now is iniciating a campaing against ADV Lax. Dispite the fact Snorlax is my favourite mon, I still love you BKC.

[@feelsokayman5656]

my boi Snorlax

[@strangeanimations2518]

You always say cb but I never know what it is Though in my head I always go “close bombat”

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

choice band!

[@strangeanimations2518]

@@BKCplaysPokemon that makes so much sense... I was trying to think of a move.. whoops

[@fatchitanda]

BKC, what made you want to play ADV again because I remember that you said that you’d never seriously play ADV again

[@U4eUh]

like 333 so happy to be on gym 7 of emerald for this I’m gonna be plottin

[@primosdesegundograu1204]

What’s jirachi’s best set in this tier in your opinion?

[@youjustcantbeatsunnyd4728]

By SPL finals when you were talking about wisp gengar do you mean this year?

[@cridentials5411]

whats the best charizard set (or most consistent), I want to try a team with it

[@raw-b6658]

Yooooo let’s gooooo 1hr BKC VIIIIID

[@shadownite3378]

Thoughts on using Aggron or Nidoking in OU?

[@shadowdraqon2479]

I love that gen 4’s fire starter(infernape) shits on the 3 best pokemon in gen 3. Meanwhile blaziken collecting dust in gen 3: 😢

[@doopness785]

Heal bell on Dragonite? How can it possibly learn that move in ADV?

[@aboboat]

Heal Bell is a special move obtained from the Shadow Dragonite in XD: Gale of Darkness

[@brianronan1905]

Not even mentioning Porygon2 says a lot LOL

[@SniperWolfKing77]

Quick question, I know some tiers for smogon but not all. I know OU is overused, but what is ADV? I've always assumed DPP was diamond, platinum, pearl.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

adv is the advance generation, since in addition to rse there's also frlg and colosseum/XD

[@bricedelord444]

Da lanturn gang iz in da place. Wheres my lanturn talk at? Huh?

[@yuxinwu3755]

Honey wake up, BKC's daily sleep aid is out!

[@AceTheBlue]

Disappointed you didn't rank the lord and savior Lanturn 😔 smh my head Kevin

[@user-ef8nk2wr7m]

Hi! what's a good moveset for a Modest Charizard? I want to make a special sweeper. I don't have any egg moves.

[@viniciusandradesilva7723]

Sunny day + sub + Pettaya Berry + blaze, u can use fire blast e even blast burn to beat almost anything.

[@oopsalldeoxys5060]

Celebi top 3

[@despicableone4495]

2006 called

[@fatchitanda]

3 attack leech is really good

[@plabcentral630]

Prolly ttar right?

[@ColeridgeYork]

957 Shaylee Path

[@yeet8036]

No lanturn on S tier?

[@aidansherry17]

Get out of my brain. Just yesterday I was hoping for an explainer on Metagross in ADV OU

[@orbital1950]

Damn i thought P2 was good.

[@bakurasensei]

Lanturn gang

[@filthycubone]

Haunter in ADV OU as a second Gengar sounds interesting. Has that seen any tournament play or is it more theory crafting?

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

happy to see you here

[@filthycubone]

Always a fan of premium Pokémon content

[@thekrampusclaus4148]

Cuboner

[@Rose-ez7yn]

Haunter is even frailer than the already frail gar who relies on barely holding on against certain attacks

[@mathewfierros]

The absence of Curse Duskull and Compound Eyes Butterfree affecting every single Pokémon’s viability ranking has had me to believe that this list has holes in it or perhaps it was even rushed. This is insane.

[@ezekielstahl5892]

Ladies and gentlemen we might not be gaming

[@Birvenev]

I believe you made this comment sometime during or after the ADV revival tournament where these two mons were used by very creative players on unique teams. This video was made before that, so while they do certainly have their niche in the meta, they weren't explored seriously until after this video was made

[@Verac1ty]

​@@BirvenevThey weren't explored seriously after either, they were meme brings lol

[@bmac4]

Lanturn gang

[@thereaIitsybitsyspider]

The more I hear about ADV OU, the more I think it is the gold standard of what an OU tier should look like. Contrast this to BW OU where the tiers above and below it are more fun and less broken.

[@rokkumanex2293]

MOM WAKE UP, THE NEW ADV OU VIABILITY RANKINGS JUST DROPPED

[@skylarfox_bmb]

I don't know if you take requests so I might be talking into the void, but I felt like it'd be better to put the suggestion out there than not: how do you think the gen 2 metagame would be different if knock off were in the game? assuming it's on, say, all the pokemon that get it in gen 4 that were available in gen 2 so it's not *super* widespread but it's not just the zam, farfetch'd, kabutops, kingler, and lickitung that get it in gen 3

[@hind__]

I noticed he does quietly take suggestions from comments so he might do it.

[@NovaContext]

I don’t even play Competitive Pokémon, but your videos are always just so interesting listening to your in depth analysis of tiers, pokemon, moves, etc. that I don’t get the same amount of enjoyment from other KZbinrs

[@bobforeman8924]

i love you bro, but you put starmie below moltres... like wut

[@kareemcallender3799]

Starmie either 1v1s or threatens most of the mons in the tier. Heavy hitters like TTar, Skarm, Goss, Mence, Aero, every fire type basically get dicked on 1v1 or checked. B+ is low for it.

[@beek1236]

I found it very interesting that you think misdreavus has a place in the ADV OU metagame. Would you be willing to go into more detail in the future?

[@loggeek]

Probably perish trapping

[@SkorpTS]

Definitely Perish Trapping. It's really annoying to play against, so if you want to make people rage, it's not a bad choice. Next to no Pokémon can outspeed AND OHKO it if using the right spread (not even silly things like Adamant Choice Band Crobat's Shadow Ball), so it can set up a Substitute and try to stall out the Perish turns fairly easily, especially against stall teams. The funny thing is that Gengar can Perish Trap too, but Misdreavus has an easier time stalling Perish turns because it's not weak to Psychic and has better Special bulk. That, and people tend to use different sets on Gengar.

[@julianbragg4123]

I know I'm a little late to this, but it's a niche spinblocker on superman teams bc of its typing (not weak to claydol/starmie psychic), better special bulk, access to imprison, and calm mind. Bc of its use, a lot more claydol are running jolly/adamant with shadow ball just to hit it and gengar super effectively.

[@bioscienceacademy4142]

The Metagross thumbnail is so good!

[@Alexcoman51]

I think this may be the only other time I’ve heard someone mention weezing with boom as it’s only attack. I ran mine with haze over taunt but it’s ability to switch in on any physical attacker and just click wisp haze/taunt to neutralize them is great. You can then pain split on the forced switch to neuter their switch in (usually a jirachi or water) and blow up for extra momentum late game once it’s pretty much useless

[@lastmexicano]

What’s your ev spread?

[@Alexcoman51]

@@lastmexicanomax hp mostly phys def, I think I had a spdf benchmark for like a plus +1 suicune surf or something it was a while also but ur rly need all the defense u can get

[@OGRScintilla]

Makes you realize how lucky Tar is to have no other top tier moms with fighting weaknesses. I’m sure if more pure steel types or dark types were strong you’d see more fighting type around

[@esthersmith3056]

blissey, but sure, blissey's fighting weakness can feel a little nominal sometimes.

[@thereaIitsybitsyspider]

They invented close combat just for Blissey 😂

[@jaredletobestjoker]

well the thing is that you shouldn't just run a fighting type pokemon to counter ttar, you should run a fighting type pokemon because it's a good pokemon. metagross isn't good because mash hits ttar, it's good because mash is one of the strongest moves in the entire tier

[@OGRScintilla]

@@jaredletobestjoker stab fighting isn’t spamable in this gene like 4-6 is my point

[@SkorpTS]

Can you elaborate on Wailord? I know it has Water Spout and Self-Destruct, but what's practical to run on it in OU?

[@windwaker0rules]

Was skarm ever really underrated, skarmbliss was the face of early OU.

[@doozsromhacks]

new hour long BKC vid dropped W

[@ricardoludwig4787]

Is it just me or did he forget to rate Porygon2? Like, I get its not amazing but it definitely at least merited a mention along with the other niche mons, especially since it has much higher usage than most of them and does the arena trap trace strategy much better than gardevoir since it has actual bulk

[@fatchitanda]

Porygon 2 had higher usage in Gen 2 than Gen 3 in SPL this time. No one used Porygon 2

[@Quoise_]

breloom too low should be S+ :3

[@MenwithHill]

Thank you for this gift, it's greatly appreciated.

[@ashvinmohan9205]

swampert below zapdos and gengar is a wild take but epic video

[@mateohuf3811]

babe wake up, bkc uploaded an adv video

[@godoffours4064]

Started getting into ADV recently, perfect time to see this!

[@lesqueegee]

Considering the sheer dominance of skarm bliss and TSS in this tier, it makes me wonder how good infernape would be in gen 3 OU

[@victorestrella9503]

It would be A+ tier easily. It's the perfect mixed attacker for this gen

[@Tvboy777]

They gave it Grass Knot, it was pretty much purposefully designed by the devs to counter Skarmblisspert.

[@zaaya7719]

The phenomena of people spouting off takes like SkarmBliss has fallen off is frustratingly common, pseudo intellectuals who think they sound knowledgeable hashing on something good then others parrot that trying to accomplish the same thing, it's usually the people who just sit in discord talking about mons instead of actually playing it lol

[@KittoJesse]

60812 Yost Oval

[@igeomagician]

You're right I really should remember to actually look at VRs before I decide to get into a tier, I tend to make a team with what I think will be good, have it suck and then stop playing it lol

[@Sweetjellydonut]

Perfect timing for my drive.

[@mistermr2147]

How good would Tar be in Gen 3 with unnerve instead of Sand Stream?

[@quwuirkyturkey]

if it was a choice between the 2 unnerve would literally never be used but if it was replaced it would still be very good just look at the stat spread, but i doubt it would be no1 mon

[@quwuirkyturkey]

berries are way too rare in adv and the few mons that use berries sure as hell don’t use them against tar anyways

[@quwuirkyturkey]

although they could be more justifiable without sand

[@energeticgorilla]

it would be a good breaker, but it would be wayyyy far down from the best mon, as well as the entire meta being difference from no perma sand

[@pacifierjunkee6016]

What if Scizor had Technician in Gen 3?

[@jaredletobestjoker]

I mean it doesn't get u-turn or even bullet punch in gen 3

[@IschmarVI]

@@jaredletobestjoker silver wind, metal claw and wing attack would be pretty strong moves though. Also potential ~60 BP hidden powers

[@jaredletobestjoker]

@@IschmarVI yeah it wouldn't be terrible, but what I was trying to say is that it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is in gen 4.

[@lastmexicano]

Damn claydol and Charizard moving up in life🙏🏼

[@tecul1]

🎉

[@despicableone4495]

yay

[@ALE98TROLL]

Yoloskarmkory

[@whomgod420]

No Porygon 2 mention? For shame....

[@benjihuynh2970]

So excited

[@thesaucypickle9866]

I think you way under ranked claydol