My 40k 10th Edition Problems SOLVED!!

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[@blindside4076]

That’s the secret, in my opinion. 10th edition works beautifully when played “narratively” in my experience. No stress about crazy secondaries, no min/maxing. Much better, much more fun.

[@IDICBeer]

Sounds good to me

[@Dram1984]

Meh, I can still play much better games. Including a bunch of older 40k editions. I can have fun with just about anything but I might as well choose things that work with me instead of against me.

[@charlestoher1529]

Competitive Warhammer is only fun on the mid to lower tables. Just roll some dice and have a laugh man. It’s just “who is the best at maths” otherwise, nothing fun about it!

[@TomtenPim]

If you still want the 50 Primary, 40 Secondary you could divide the points killed by 50 (in a 2000pts game as 2000/50 = 40) This could then be adapted so the points divided by X always end up as 40. Which you get by dividing your ponts total by 40 So at a 1000 pts game you divide the points by 25 (1000/40 =25) to get your secondary score. At a 1500 pts game you divide by 37.5 (1500/40 = 37.5) This formula would allow the secondary to work att all potential game sizes: Secondairy points = pointsKilled/(pointsOfGame/40)

[@IDICBeer]

That's a great idea thanks

[@AimyBot]

When I last played many many many years ago me and my friends would literally play points of unit slayed was what you scored. Wasn't until I got back into this year that I really considered playing any other way. Before I bulk purchased 2k pts worth of shame I had settled on necrons (a bit of a change from my guard days) and I started watching videos by yourself/Planet 40k and the likes to get a vibe of what was going on. And I was thinking of going Hyper crypt/Canoptek court as it seemed to be what most are using. But reading the codex I fell in love with the concept of the Obeisance Phalanx. Particularly the your End is nigh strat...It just seems like such a goofy and fun challenge to try and pick out the enemy warlord whilst keeping your warlord alive aaaand having cp to do it! I was like yes, this is me now! I love the thought of having a super strong type tournament list and stomp people with c'tan and monoliths (as I am overly competitive and love winning!). But I just couldn't bring myself to do that as it just seems unfun, for both me and current friends. And my somewhat fluffy army is slowly assembling with minis that will help me assassinate the warlord and also that are simply cool looking (how could I say no to a doom scythe if I am yelling Your end is nigh at people!?). Also a psychomancer so I can try and torment the poor leaderless opponents (also a very cool model)! I will look to enter local events with this army (when I eventually finish it) and I might get stomped but I will have fun doing it as I try and pretend to put fear into the enemy 😊 Anyway I ramble... TL:DR of it (I suppose) is people need to have fun and stop worrying about the meta when most of the times meta doesn't matter. Thanks for the videos and keep up the Necron love!

[@IDICBeer]

Thanks, that's a really nice story to hear and you are 100% correct about not worryingabout the meta. I'm really enjoying the Ob Phalanx atm and will have more videos on it coming soon 😁👍

[@AimyBot]

@@IDICBeer I'll look forward to it, and good to hear that you're enjoying it! Hopefully it will spure me on into painting up my remaining 14 warriors so I can move on to my next unit (I did forget how long it takes me to paint when I dove into this again I won't lie).

[@Rahab198]

I solved my 40k problems, it was simple I just threw more Carnifexs at it. Next year me and my are starting an Invasion, campaign. We're starting off as Inquisition and Agents Vs Genestealer cults, with killteam rules. Cult objectives are to sabotage orbital guns shield generators etc. If the Cult wins then Tyranid players get an extra 500 points each game in the all out war part. Then moving onto Combat patrol, the Tyranid players are going to use the Lictor Combat patrol at first then we're moving onto an all out war. Imperium Vs Tyranids. We're going from January to December.

[@BrettBallanger]

I love this idea.

[@IDICBeer]

Very cool buddy

[@whotookmydice]

Glad you found a happy space in this edition. Great video as always Nick!

[@IDICBeer]

Cheers mate, I look forward to fine tuning and playing this

[@BigMekDanskull]

I like the sound of the kill points being tied to unit cost. For me, rounding up or down would seem fair. So if the unit is 0-149 points, you get 1 VP for killing it, if it's 150-249 it lands in the 2 VP bracket and so on & so forth. The only downside I can foresee is that some chronically overcosted units would leave a player vulnerable to giving up a greater number of points than seems fair, but then I suppose if a Stompa was taken out for example, the rest of the Orks nearby would loose a serious amount of fight, so you can reason that away by looking at it narratively rather than a game balance perspective.

[@IDICBeer]

Thanks mate, these comments have been very useful

[@RSBurgener]

I think competitive optimization has given us a lot of benefits to 10th edition 40k. It's also stripped a good deal of flavor from the game. I think the priority of 11th should be putting some of that flavor back in without compromising how good it's been for competitive.

[@IDICBeer]

Yeah I'm with you on that one 👍

[@TheWarpForge]

I always advocate for homebrew. I'm currently making my own edition of 40k. I don't hate 10th I just want to make an edition I can go back too and enjoy when I feel a bit burned out with the current edition.

[@IDICBeer]

Sounds good mate

[@michaelweidner4292]

I think the old 4th rules are a good idea. Sure it’s a little more math but we all have calculators lol. I like the fact that you can take the risk and go for a bigger, badder unit and if you can kill it get the larger point amount for it. Fortune favors the bold! You know what else I miss. The old toughness chart. Makes no sense to me that a las pistol can hurt a star god or a titanic model?

[@IDICBeer]

Thanks mate, it is very interesting to see how the game has changed over the years

[@trevorharvey6928]

I agree - I don't like the original kill points idea to be honest, it favours armies with a low but expensive unit count. I'd adjust it to a score based on the points cost of the unit - like the old day as you said. the problem then is that the objective points then don't scale with the kill points, so they either need to be increased or perhaps keep the kill points separate and only use them as a tie breaker in the event the primary points are tied. Maybe overcomplicating things, it'd need some thought.

[@IDICBeer]

Thanks buddy, yeah I'm think points value divided by ten should bring primary and secondary levels together more

[@bobdestroyer4053]

Interesting that you think Necrons have an advantage with kill points. I'd almost say KP invalidates some of the units we can take. There are some that are great for secondaries, and not much else; I'd venture to say hexmark and ophidians. I'd also take some units with the expectation that they are going to die. Maybe I'm wrong as I have gotten to play much and I am a bit destroyer focused. Overlord: You could designate a unit (or two) or a specific objective to be more valuable (points) for one side. It's kinda like the warlord targeting.

[@IDICBeer]

Well, if you take a normal 10th edition secondary scoring list then we would have easy kill points, but you wouldn't need them so much with this mission, unless you just play for fun and then who cares. Nice idea with the Overlord marked objective

[@Khobai]

competitive 40k is incredibly boring IMO. the best 40k games are narrative games either standalone or part of a narrative campaign. where the units you pick are ones that make sense for the narrative and not necessarily ones that are the best. for example we played a narrative game where I was running a pair of impulsors with assault intercessors inside and outriders as escorts because it made sense for the narrative that I was running a vehicle convoy.

[@IDICBeer]

100%, although I do enjoy a competitive game as well, a good mixture of the two suits me well

[@Khobai]

@@IDICBeer i cant stand the min/maxing and netlisting that goes on in competitive 40k. the need for everyone to win the game no matter what even if the list isnt fun to play against ends up ruining it.

[@philgagnon275]

The kill points based on unit cost is easy if you wait till end of game. What's left on the table? How much do those units cost... Subtract that from 2k.

[@IDICBeer]

Yeah that's true

[@WorHammer40k]

Fantastic video - some great ideas for alternative play here.

[@IDICBeer]

Thanks mate, I'm looking forward to fine tuning them and giving them a bash

[@beamstalk6475]

I was thinking it had to be Unit cost based as well, but either you have to up the bonus kill points and the primary objective points or drop the 0 from unit cost to make those others worth going for as well

[@IDICBeer]

Yeah, I was thinking that as well, the primary wouldn't match well otherwise

[@TheMiniaturesPaintbrush]

It’s crazy but I create fun rulesets all of the time with my mates to have fun! Great video sir

[@IDICBeer]

It's a great way to play 👍

So... Isn't that the Warhammer Fantasy/Old World way of scoring?

[@IDICBeer]

Not sure, never played it, but it probably was similar to old 40k scoring

[@kyleeambrose5834]

This might be a balance between elite and board control armies for Kill pts. Whenever an enemy unit is destroyed, you score 1 for every five wounds in that unit. To a minimum of 1. Most units will give up 2 kpts, so maybe increase the Primary scoreing to compensate? Board control armies may loose more to kill pts, but can screen and hold primary easier. While elite armies might loose less in kill pts but struggle to hold multiple objectives? There is potential to power game odd number wounds into your units but the value is so low i dont think it would be worth it in a casual game.

[@IDICBeer]

Thanks for the suggestion buddy 👍

[@eskhaphey2873]

Or just score the points of the unit, like normalhammer scoring.

[@eskhaphey2873]

If you want to play kill points, it works much better if you get a number of VPs equal to the number of units in your army for each enemy unit you completely destroy. For example if i have 6 units and you have 9 units, i get 6VPs for each of your units whereas you get 9VPs for each of my units you completely destroy. Both players max out at 6x9 or 9x6 = 54. Your idea of just using the points value of the unit you kill is how 40k was played for decades before mission scoring came around. You would count up what was killed and that would be your opponents score. The most fun you can have in 10th without being narrative is ignore secondaries, and dont use strats.

[@Paranormal-Stupidity]

I think this edition is starting to wear very thin with a lot of people right now. I've been making it more interesting by playing the bunker missions in the White Dwarf magazines. They are really fun. I have no idea how to balance the game with the rules you guys are playing with. I leave that to someone with a better imagination than me. Can't wait to see what you guys come up with. Thanks for sharing!!

[@IDICBeer]

Oh man, that reminds me of the very cool and fun bunker based missions in 4th edition, the good old days for sure

[@cmclachlan]

Good video nick! Thank you for sharing your views. I am Def going to test Stevo Vps rules. i completely agree with you and stevos view on scoring vps in 10th. Keep up the good work! subbed to stevo now too.

[@IDICBeer]

Thanks buddy, much appreciated

[@spaceiliad2001]

I get why they had so many KZbinrs play test but I want the goons at TT no where near 11ed. I feel like if we went back to the flavor around 8-9th ed and fixed the kinks it would be better. The guys at TT are too crunchy for the average game.

[@IDICBeer]

👍

[@calvinryder3195]

I love these ideas!! I started in 3rd edition, and it was so much more fun!! great video!!

[@IDICBeer]

Awesome and thank you 😁

[@RFischer]

No you are not alone. Wish I had a Stevo. 😔

[@IDICBeer]

😁👍

[@PointyPaints]

as someone coming back into 40k after only really playing AoS for the past 8 years, I am loving 40k now, it plays well, its fun and im enjoying how the edition works, 8th and 9th edition really put me off the game but 10th is pulling me back in, in a big way. If you ever want to have a chat about 10th reach out to me dude.

[@IDICBeer]

Well that is good to hear, I mean, I don't hate 10th and there is a lot to like for sure, it is a great edition and better that 9th for sure. I just want to throw in some fun, easy to navigate, more thematic games now and again to mix things up

[@PointyPaints]

@@IDICBeer yeah i agree, 10th def has more narrative to it

[@martind5565]

I moved to one page rules, so much easier and funner in my opinion!

[@IDICBeer]

Need to try them out

[@CMWargames]

Oh you know me so well that part of the brain would go into overdrive. How about add the points of units up and divide by 10 points

[@IDICBeer]

Yeah that was what I was thinking with drop the last number, but divided by ten would be more accurate, defo the best option so far I think

[@sgtarpin]

This doesn't make the game less boring though. All the problems you listed in your last video are still there.

[@IDICBeer]

From the games I have played so far it really helps, more fluffy list building, less book keeping and easier to just turn up and play. The missions take you out of competitive play mode and into immersive play is what I have found

[@xX_Caine_Xx]

Instead of kill points per unit what about 1point per 5 or ten models/ wounds up to a max of 15 or 20 ponits per round

[@IDICBeer]

Nice suggestion thank you

[@Damnedlegion40k]

Planet40K forced me to subscribe on penalty of death 💀

[@IDICBeer]

Ha ha and rightly so 😁 seriously though, it's much appreciated 👍

[@Klierowski]

This is insane how bad are the rules in Warhammer.

[@IDICBeer]

They are not bad, they are probably the best they have ever been...for match/competitive play, but this edition has lost the fun factor for more caual/narrative fun play sadly

[@timothylyons5686]

My way of playing 10th. Don't. Rewind the rules set, use 5th edition rules.

[@IDICBeer]

5th was fun, although that Marine parking lot lol

[@eskhaphey2873]

I've been an advocate for scrapping secondaries, they just ruin the game and prevent you from enjoying using your models. Even tbrough 8th and 9th, the best way was to ignore the mission and play warhammer for a change.

[@IDICBeer]

Too true, when did 40k become a card game

[@eskhaphey2873]

@@IDICBeer lol that made me chuckle, 10th edition is a stratagem administration filing simulator, not a tabletop miniatures game. Since the current rules force you to play secondaries where you have to stand and wait, and stratagems that just break the game or restrict what were functional core rules. And neither are fun.

[@michaelgwartney2672]

​​​@@IDICBeerI hate all the cards, stratagems, objectives, etc. I just want to pick a mission and have all the rules be on the sheets or in the mission. I want missions to just be thematic and fluffy. Secure the fuel depot, night fight with generators that can be turned on and off and secured. Take the airfield and get to call in a plane strike. Take the artillery and you can drop and artillery template. Objectives being based on buildings and terminals instead of just cardboard circles in the ground. Bunkers and other buildings units can control and terrain that can be destroyed. There's so much potential but the current game just feels like board game crap

[@LittleIAO]

Yeah I mean the only way to fix 10e for me is to abandon official 10e entirely and do homebrew 40k all the time. I HATE how lists are constructed, and datasheets are done, in 10e. My least favorite version of all. So my friends and I aren't using most of that. We have cherry picked a few 10e elements that aren't bad of course. I think abandoning GW's official rules schedule and taking control for yourself is key though.

[@IDICBeer]

Yeah that makes so much sense, 10th is great for competitive play but....

[@LittleIAO]

@@IDICBeer I would also add it probably matters some that I have 8+ armies I'm trying to keep up with. If I only played my Necrons several of the problems including list building wouldn't bother me as much. I can't stand 10e rules for my Space Marine factions though. Factions aren't equally affected IMO.

[@martinjrgensen8234]

I can’t stand looking at modern games tables. The pie plate objectives ruin everything. My friends and me have basically thrown out GW’s matched play rules. They just suck the fun out of 40k.

[@IDICBeer]

I know exactly what you mean

[@lucabastianello9830]

I'm skipping more and more this edition, the rules are messed up each time and i feel a sense of unleasant. I modif6, but rules, i'll wait for 11ed, maybe without faq not having almost the same amount of pages than the original rules

[@IDICBeer]

It is so hard to keep up, some rules have changed over three times already

[@lucabastianello9830]

@@IDICBeer changed the changed too. The proglem is not the faq or added rules,but the dispersion. There are faq in different position of the faq about the same theme and so on.for the same faq about core rules i hafeto watch the faq,the faq of the faq, the commentary and the faq about the commentary. And thenaddthe codex, the supplemento and the faqabout both of them. Even followinfgthe riles I tisk to miss some of them

[@jayhazlegreaves447]

Honestly, I find competitive the most boring way to play 40K……..why am I suddenly bothered about having a model within so many inches of the edge of a board? It doesn’t make sense. Since I decided I’m going to chin off the mission deck and just play fun narrative missions it’s been so much more fun………marines have 5 turns to hold out against unending waves of Necrons, world eaters trying to defend against Custodes setting off a bomb within their encampment……….its all about the story and weird and wonderful terrain (let’s face it mirrored ruins get stale fast)

[@IDICBeer]

I'm totally with you on that Jay

[@CMWargames]

Oh you know me so well that part of the brain would go into overdrive. How about add the points of units up and divide by 10 points Oh I have one I want to try at 2k points I’ll message you

[@IDICBeer]

Even I do it tbh ha ha, it is hard not too :D

[@noprobllama9747]

Simple, play killteam 😅

[@IDICBeer]

lol

[@tacojoe7996]

If it was tailored to competitive play they wouldn't pay gate the rules.

[@IDICBeer]

🤔

[@redgreen09]

well sounds good hare a thing WRIGHT DOWN type out yes if play DA rueles like get a hard copy of em think ing how ??? to send you the postige to send one copy of the RULES to me or enny one out thare thats me but what you come up with be good enuff to me cant think at this posting but my hafe of thing yes if got thing worth 30 pints now it olny 15 and you go two of blank you put two of it on board yes a whay get more minis on the tabel that my think on it why i what more mini on the play board ??? well i paint em i whated fore bus or a train to get to a shop i did miner or big covetions to mini and like have see the light of day yes whay ?do that ALL and becase of paints you never see darn thing olny if play 3000ponts or higter you did ALL that woek and you never get play that mini hek if just a troopers i what to ues my minis thats why like have that hafe off rule yes just me

[@IDICBeer]

Thanks mate