My Biggest 3D Printing Fail.

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[@fuzzypat]

"I didn't follow the instructions, and it didn't work the way I wanted. Must be a bad product!"

[@HellstormWargaming]

If it can melt a model within 5-10 minutes it’s probably not something I want to use over ISO 😂

[@boanoah6362]

You didn't wash it off and left it on the model overnight, it has nothing to do with 10 minutes...

[@terencetaute7942]

This is why one reads the data sheet, it is there to take out the guess work . one never guesses with a product that is toxic.

[@CJ-ur3fx]

10 minutes to wash in IPA? I don't know anymore people don't use ultrasonic baths, it literally takes seconds to remove the uncured resin.

[@randykemper1]

theres a ghost in your room at 10:46

[@awildtomappeared5925]

Tough doesn't mean ridgid, it's the opposite, it mean it's non brittle. It's not supposed to be hard it's supposed to be flexy, that's why the image is shows a bendy line on the tub. Same with Resione TH-72 Tough or Chitu Conjure Tough. The resin isn't broken, that's how it's supposed to be. The detergent isn't broken either, leaving your models in IPA can damage them but I'd bet that that detergent is far more gentle than than IPA, it definitly didn't make it bendy, that's how it should be. That being said, you shouldn't test how bendy prints are until a good day after thoroughly curing as the internal stresses need to sort themselves out.

[@GeoffreyPitman523]

So, you completely ignored the instructions, then blamed the product? 😂😂😂

[@Down_Time_Dad]

I think your mindset may have been wrong for this video, toughness is the ability of a matierial to take elastic deformation without plastic failure. So tough materials are flexible in nature. Generally the tougher something is the less hard it is, the harder something is the more brittle it becomes.

[@dmck1436]

even on the bottle it shows TOUGHNESS with a pair of hands BENDING the resin..... Timestamp 30 seconds.

[@HellstormWargaming]

I don’t think the piece should be rubber though? 😜 I like the resin, as I said at the end. But it shouldn’t be like rubber. I had far better results with washing in Isopropyl :)

[@dmck1436]

@@HellstormWargaming very fair and I loved you showed that too!

[@spacebb]

@@HellstormWargaming but it is very strong if it is like rubber it won't break

[@HellstormWargaming]

it tore apart in my hands i dont know what else you want me to say

[@brianminor4327]

Ok, the resin cleaner is literally designed to dissolve resin. Which is why the instructions state you are only supposed to let it soak for 5 minutes and it is mandatory to wash it (the resin cleaner) off with water. Otherwise it stays on the resin print and does begin to melt it into a goop. The stuff will literally dissolve cured on resin and sediment from resin vats and tools. The water on resin prints isn't really an issue or the cause of the stickiness you are seeing. Companies like Peopoly even recommend curing their 3D resin prints IN water to prevent oxidation and ensure faster and more complete cures. So that is not the issue here with what you are seeing.

[@HellstormWargaming]

I’ve not had that experience with any other cleaner. Not sure I’m a fan of using something that can destroy the models it’s trying to clean. Feel free to try it yourself though :) Also I don’t like having to take contaminated water to be disposed properly as it’s a pain so I avoid it

[@mustbecrazy777]

​@@HellstormWargamingwhy try it ourself when you have it and was given for free.

[@mustbecrazy777]

​@@HellstormWargamingyou haven't heard of water wash resin? The water you use if left outside to cure or use a UV light to cure any resin that was left behind and the water can be use again and again

[@andreacook7431]

​@@HellstormWargaming it might be useful if you get resin goo on something you DON'T want it on. (I'm looking at you screen and funnel)

[@CidVeldoril]

It's not about the detergent, it's the tough resin itself. I have used it before and the "tough" part about it is that it will bend instead of break. I expected harder stuff as well when I printed a model with my white Sunlu toughness resin and was surprised when it bent to the side under its own weight. It is great stuff for things you WANT to be flexible though.

[@Abraksas112]

How do you explain the reprints he did where there was a big difference even with the same resin?. Definitely IS about the detergent I would say. Although yes, this resin is supposed to be flexible but not that flexible I guess

[@CidVeldoril]

@@Abraksas112 I do not use the detergent and have the same results he does with this resin so the detergent definitely does not matter.

[@WiseRecordings]

Love coming back to this video to remind me to follow instructions and not take shortcuts. Classic

[@ginjasteve4435]

So far Mikey. Biggest 3D print fail so far!

[@HellstormWargaming]

Thanks Homer

[@natew3636]

There's always room for improvement 😂

[@andrewgunderson5667]

This isn't a fail, it's a discovery!

[@LathanM]

I recently switched to them and the stuff had been great for me. The only issue I had was the bottle. It is taller than my normal bottles so I had to redo my cleaning and draining station to fit the bottles. I also got the wash thanks to an Amazon bundle and all I can say is it worked but it was nothing to write home about.

[@HellstormWargaming]

Thanks for sharing!

[@edwardmayne9114]

"I didn't follow the instructions and it didn't work, so you definitely shouldn't buy it!" If you're going to review a product, at least have the decency to use it properly before claiming it's no good. It's entirely possible that the cleaner is absolute rubbish, but your 'test' is a waste of time and proves nothing.

[@8BitJesus]

Yeh, I think it’s supposed to be flexible going off the front of the bottle. I’ll pick some up, might be what I need for gaming minis :)

[@HellstormWargaming]

I think the resin is great! Just not the detergent, definitely ruined it

[@8BitJesus]

@@HellstormWargaming super weird that they’ve got a product that can just ruin stuff 😂

[@simonhermann3301]

The sunlu toughness is my absolute favorite, but i dont use it pure. I tried to mix it in different ratios with the cheapest standard resins you can get and even when i tried a ratio of 4 parts standard and 1 part toughness it still is waaaay tougher than normal resin. If you want it to be tough AND stiff, you should go for a ratio of more than 1:1 standard/toughness. 2:1 is my sweet spot. If you want a resin that is super affordable, tough and very stiff, you need to try the hard and tough resin from esun, but it is more a thing for engineering.

[@SC1ENCEP1E]

Im a serious Wargamer and i ONLY play with flaccid miniatures!

[@HellstormWargaming]

There’s always one ;)

[@ajc4477]

Sunlu resin rocks, will be giving their detergent a miss! Thanks for the honest review.

[@HellstormWargaming]

Enjoy the resin!

[@silox250]

Its supposed to be rubbery :) Its not the detergent, when cleaning with IPA it will also stay rubbery. Its actually what makes it such a great resin! It's difficult to break. It bends, not break. Tough and rigid models break more easily

[@HellstormWargaming]

its not supposed to be this rubbery, it easily tears.

[@Emtbtoday]

Think you have contaminated ot somewhare along the print line if it has soaked in the detergent maybe but this Toughness Resin is absolutely amazing stuff! Never seen it act like this its difficult to get just now still aswell as is abs like with everyone turning to it because it's just an amazing Resin! I switched from elegoo 2.0 ASB LIKE to Sunlu ABS LIKE the exposure time and thickness is just so thin and low compared tk elegoo but cures alot better being thinner and its alot stronger than elegoo that i can say for definite 100% it is only the white Avaliable just now i managed to get a black but took all night to find it in stock! But if you cant find it the same Resin is in Jayo resin! Just a different name everything's the same though! While everyones buying up Sunlu so no one else can get it try Jayo!

[@B4MBI72]

Sunlu ABS like 8 days a week for me, I always used to be an Elegoo ABS -Like fan but once I tried Sunlu I never went back. You can tell its become popular as Amazon have ramped the price up over the last 18 months. Also please dont put IPA in an ultrasonic cleaner, its not a sensible thing to do. It gets hot and evaprotares faster leading to more explosive fumes, 1 tiny spark and boom. you wouldnt put petrol in there.... If I use IPA in my US cleaner for stripping minis, but put them in a zip-lock bag in the vat of water.

[@GeekDetour]

I loved your story about the Detergent!... I wanted to test it out... Now I want to test it out even more! ha ha ha

[@HellstormWargaming]

Let me know how you get on! :)

[@hightde13]

I'd love to see sunlu abs like vs this tough resin. To be honest from the looks of it the tough as is seems like a great mini resin but the price on their abs like is hard to pass up.

[@HellstormWargaming]

I’ll try and get some to do a comparison :)

[@PaulMarquisNH]

I use the detergent almost exclusively now on extremely detailed engineering models. It cleans better and with less damage to the green models. The moisture from rinsing actually enhances the cure. Follow the directions on the detergent and you will love it.

[@WoodImp]

I've got an Elegoo on the way, and I'm terrified I'm just going to make a massive mess 😅

[@HellstormWargaming]

You’ll be fineee. Promise. Check my other videos like ‘how easy is 3D printing’ and you’ll Be right :)

[@ganagz]

SUNLU's ABS-like resin is my favorite. I haven't encountered any problems with it so far. Maybe there is something wrong with your process perhaps?

[@TheBatNaz]

There is a huge difference between toughness and hardness. adjective: tough - (of a substance or object) strong enough to withstand adverse conditions or rough handling. adjective: hard - solid, firm, and rigid; not easily broken, bent, or pierced. All tough resin is flexible, thats what makes it tough. I've never used Sunlu tough so not sure if that is normal but the AnyCubic Ultra Tough is pretty similar (not that floppy but pretty close) The longer you cure it for the hard its gets. It could be becuase it was left uncured for so long

[@ramblingbadger]

I use Sunlu water washable and it is far less brittle than the elegoo one 🙂

[@HellstormWargaming]

Nice! I’ll try it out :)

[@kokio3416]

Hello, I am new at resin printing and am a little bit scared, do you think 3d printing is worth the risk because I heard a lot and am not sure if I am safe anymore I wear mask and gloves and I try to be very careful but I have read many horror stories, is resin that big deal , do you have any health problems from resin, if a spill happens it will be a huge problem for my health?

[@dragonwyrmdracodracul8361]

Reminds of what happened when I had issue with cleaning a figure so I just dropped it into simple green filler ultrasonic cleaner then forgot about it for a day. They became okay after a couple days of resting.

[@HellstormWargaming]

Exactly the same. I had it happen strippign some forgeworld resin with some cleaner that was way too strong - came out the same, and basically ruined

[@dragonwyrmdracodracul8361]

@@HellstormWargaming Mine was printed resin (I do believe it was SUNLU basic resin). I didn't cure it and allowed it to slowly come back to normal, which happened after a couple of days. I then left it in the sun and if there is any loss of strength I haven't noticed it yet. But I think this may actually be useful if the print is extremely fragile and removing supports destroys it. Depending on the print use the loss of strength may not matter.

[@Thornsworks]

I didnt realise you shouldnt wash the models before theyre cured. My technique for printing with standard resin has been: 1. Take off build plate 2. Wash in ISO in Anycubic Wash station. 3. place in warm water for a few seconds and remove from supports 4. Cure in Cure station. I find that the supports are more difficult to remove after its cured, is my technique wrong? I do find that my models are quite brittle.

[@HellstormWargaming]

Your technique is not wrong at all! Water can effect cheaper resins, but mostly the water is contaminated and needs disposing correctly once used. I started using a hairdryer to warm up the resin for support removal so I dont have the water to deal with! Unless its Dragon Trappers, they fell off like mad (#ad ;) )

[@Michael-yl2iq]

It is not environmentally friendly disposing by means of evaporation as opposed to waste recycle site.

[@The3Dprintinggeek448]

i could make an airless basketball out of this 😂

[@troibandy2139]

At least you don't have to worry about the model breaking apart if you drop it! Small blessing?!

[@HellstormWargaming]

not it just ripped instead :P But yeah they were very weird

[@theo._.5593]

I mean to be faire you're in the wrong there for not follwing the instructions..

[@Letsstarthobbying]

I mean, at least the models should be safe from drops!

[@FabianNoggle]

Yep. Sunlu and jayo resins are complete crap

[@SliverCreations]

I have to note here that not all resin is porous. Only the cheap stuff. Try some more expensive resin. Not from Elegoo or Phozen etc. But BASF or Henkel.

[@HellstormWargaming]

Will have to try those out! :)

[@Sadistichippo]

Seeing the window cover suddenly come to life and than vanish without any reaction was wild… did you get replaced by a window cover monster? We will never know.

[@HellstormWargaming]

window cover? Where?

[@MCHelrain]

@@HellstormWargaming kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHLEZKaIrbyGaa8 it's alive.

[@Martin.W.F]

love videos like this. It would be really awesome to see you do a comparison between elegoos abs-like standard vs the V2. ?

[@HellstormWargaming]

On it :)

[@NoizieWorks]

The detergent worked great in my experience except for being way to expensive and the water waste that comes from it is a concerning if used improperly.

[@TheLevitatingChin]

How do chubby Mike.

[@xampleloginname]

10:48 that background tho.

[@TheOctabreaker]

for heaven's sake. You used the product wrong, and decide it doesn't work? As someone who's videos I trust, I'm a little disappointed in this from you.

[@Emtbtoday]

Elegoo 2.0 abs washes in warm soapy water aswell believe it or not! I was dreading washing out the wash basins once strained the ipa warm soapy water done a 5 min perfect clean up no sticky crap like from ipa dont know why but I have stopped using the abs like 2.0 from elegoo because of the 5s normal exposure time was just ridiculous for printer life! I changed to Sunlu ABS Like its perfect and great price and about 3 times as strong as elegoo in tests we done! But i agree don't buy it as now we can't get hold of it easily as all out of stock with everyone using it now lol the price will go next wait and see! Lol

[@blaze556922]

How is it being more flexible a downside? Seems it's superior if anything

[@HellstormWargaming]

It’s literally disintegrated and tore in my hands. It’s not a feature you want

[@blaze556922]

@@HellstormWargaming Gotcha, thank you for replying. I just thought it was extremely dexterous and that isn't something I'd take issue with. Disintergrating..... I'd mind

[@nachot6592]

...wow...

[@johnfarscape]

I love SUNLU, their ABS like is really resilient, its great for gaming pieces as its feally flexible, it can be a bit too flexible, so I mix some esun tough resin in with it, to get the desired hardness/flexibility mix, and other rigid resin should also work though. . I've not tried their cleaner yet. I just use alcahol and use a UV light when the resin has settled in the bottom of the jug, and just pick out the cured resin, and reuse the alcahol.

[@DMSledge]

I'm confused. You think the ABS-like is too flexible, so you add the even more flexible toughness resin? The resin they advertise as being flexible enough to print zip-ties?

[@johnfarscape]

@DMSledge the tough resin I got from them is not flexible at all, its rock hard, when trying to bend something, its hard to do, but will eventually just shatter.

[@johnfarscape]

@DMSledge its me being dumb, its esun tough resin I use in the mix, not sunlu, just had to check 😅, I will edit original post so not to confuse anyone.

[@matthewsnyder66]

What is your mix ratio between the ABS-like SUNLU versus the Esun tough resin?

[@johnfarscape]

@matthewsnyder66 75% ABS like on most things, but if im printing a lot of spears or other very thin things that bend or droop easily, I go up to 50/50.

[@anthonylaiferrario]

Seems like their instructions aren't clear, but in both versions they rinsed with water. I can't tell if the strange behavior you experienced was because you left it on the models and that caused an issue or if the resin itself was somehow bad

[@marcobaldi9697]

Tried elegoo abs like, very satisfied with it! Then saw the price tag on the sunlu one. Gave it a try, adjusted the resin settings, printed a big piece, yeeted it against a wall. I'm not going to buy any other resin, i'm now a sunlu fanboy

[@LorenzNijs]

you would expect something hard from toughness, but yeah, it's supposed to be somewhat bendy

[@franksilva3566]

I agree - my experience with the ‘Detergent’ was much the same as yours - I am currently using Water Washable resin and is fairly happy with it. In the future, when I use Tough or ABS Like resin; I will stick with IPA.

[@andresduenasgarcia5479]

Hi bro , What configuration do you use in the abs like resin for the saturn 3 ultra????

[@jasperpott6341]

aaaahhh daylight!

[@andrerdrummond]

How to print multi Siraya exposure tests like you've done on the last video?

[@johnbattyll6874]

Nice cheers for the review Mikey

[@HellstormWargaming]

No problem 👍

[@Lawlzyoutoobz]

Shout out to Mikeys apartment Ghost moving the window cover.

[@ravartd.9846]

Thank you, I had the same results and was terrible confused why the resin became a rubber duck.

[@Artmesa]

Four letters that will change your 3D printing experience for the better: 3DRS. You're welcome.

[@HellstormWargaming]

The numbers: what do they mean??

[@Cosmonomicron]

Good tip about avoiding the Sunlu detergent! Those looked worse than finecast resin!

[@HellstormWargaming]

much much worse :P

[@Raubk0pierer]

Mikey, I have a question: At around 4:20 you said that you shouldn't put models in water before curing them. After cleaning them in alcohol, I put my prints in a bowl of warm water to better remove the supports, is that what you meant by that? Afterwards, I collect all the water that came in contact with resin in a big container and let the traces of resin cure/harden in the sun before dumping the water. Did I forget an important step to make sure the resin is safe to handle?

[@HellstormWargaming]

That’s good but contaminated water should only be disposed off via correct chemical disposing, just in case! I use a heat gun/hairdryer to remove supports now :)

[@Raubk0pierer]

@@HellstormWargaming Thanks, will do! 👍

[@BlackJackalGaming]

@@HellstormWargaming I didn't think of this. Great piece of advice.

[@ArhainHainar]

Now that is a failure. Nice to try new stuff but not if it doesnt work

[@HellstormWargaming]

Yeah exactly. Good resin but the detergent definitely didn’t work for me

[@mustbecrazy777]

​@@HellstormWargamingyeah didn't work for you because you didn't follow the instructions it gave you and blame it on them.

[@chrismaker2473]

Loved watching the shade fall in the background lol.

[@HellstormWargaming]

Shade?

[@chrismaker2473]

@HellstormWargaming your black out curtain. Love the vids bud keep up the good work.

[@HellstormWargaming]

thanks ;)

[@AlexAttemptsTabletop]

A perfect video to start my day with a cup of tea, like I previously said… the way you do 3D content is approachable, engaging & not boring etc. I’d selfishly would love it if you did a 40K 3D terrain video / print proxy army etc.

[@HellstormWargaming]

Great ideas, I'll write them down :)

[@dickdastardly488]

I've been using their ABS like, and it's quite good. Much better than their standard, which is way better than anycubic.