MY E92 N54 WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE MOTOR? TEAR DOWN

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@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
If you like this type of video on the N54 development, please share it around. The view count will tell me if we need to more of this type of video.
@bavarianhero
@bavarianhero 2 ай бұрын
Will do, and that rotary 8 HP is something else. The transmission on my dads 1993 van just went out and I kept thinking about that 8hp how it could be better then the 3 speed or 2 speed transmission. Keep up the videos, n54 for life!!! Poor man’s Soupra!!!
@shafieksalie3119
@shafieksalie3119 2 ай бұрын
Hi great video please fit 12 mm bolts we needed for that power
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
@@shafieksalie3119 there is a lot that goes in to keeping the cylinder pressure in the right place. Sometimes too large of a bolt and too mention tq on the bolt can twist the block and cause more problems. This is a test in what this style of gasket really does, when being used by itself. Taking out other variables.
@Unlike_the_rest8984
@Unlike_the_rest8984 2 ай бұрын
Fire rings are the go
@Unlike_the_rest8984
@Unlike_the_rest8984 2 ай бұрын
Fire rings are the go
@Jern54
@Jern54 2 ай бұрын
Great to see the good old N54 content back!
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Indeed it is!
@MrTurbotyla
@MrTurbotyla 2 ай бұрын
You seeing the scratches, and immediately being humble enough to leave the door open that it could be your fault. This is the reason I love your videos. Not that it's your fault but that you have humility and are pragmatic.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Man there are too many people in the automotive world spreading missinformation in an atempt to hide thier mistakes. That doesnt happen here. Dispite my demeaner i am very methodical with what i do to avoid confusion.
@davidholmes403
@davidholmes403 2 ай бұрын
Great to see N54 content Mr 8 speed
@scottb5356
@scottb5356 2 ай бұрын
Great content. Just like the old days
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Thanks man.
@jasonhorvath4272
@jasonhorvath4272 22 күн бұрын
Glad to see you working on your stuff again. Been watching your channel for years. 👍👍👍
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 21 күн бұрын
I appreciate that!
@jeremiahsherman1190
@jeremiahsherman1190 2 ай бұрын
Great job brother great to see the n54 content back again I’ve been waiting for this 🎉your e92 was my favorite car on KZbin
@BMW1M
@BMW1M 2 ай бұрын
Really awesome to see you getting back into the N54 builds mate! Keen to see how the cut ring gasket idea goes for you - I'll very likely be re-building my built motor soon, so will be needing to make a decision on how the head gets bolted back on...
@HassanEido1
@HassanEido1 2 ай бұрын
Well gosh dang he's alive. Welcome back!
@MatthewGlad
@MatthewGlad 2 ай бұрын
Let's get back to some n54 content the cut ring with the epoxy would be good. I'm a fan of MLS with copper coating.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Hell yeah brother! The version of the e92 is gonna be sick!
@MatthewGlad
@MatthewGlad 2 ай бұрын
​@@ZeroTo60Tube I have my arp head bolts ready to go. The restriction is in the head give it a port job.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
@@MatthewGlad While i do agree, the factory valve train and port design is starting to be an issue around 800whp, they do seem to make that on stock valves and ports ok. I want to focus on life span at that power level first.
@diyguy6054
@diyguy6054 2 ай бұрын
If you can reduce pumping losses. You'll make the power with less parasitic loss. Higher volumetric efficiency means potentially less pressure and heat. By this I mean porting the exhaust and adding some aftermarket cams. Intake ported as well. It works on other platforms. In fact it's probably the one of the reasons why one of my LS based builds has lasted so long. I tailored the heads to the build (positive displacement setup). It made more power with less boost than other identical builds. Combined with a slightly looser converter. The car has lived way past most others experation dates. If you make the engine more efficient, it'll decrease back pressure, decrease heat. Because the turbo won't have to work as hard to nor will the engine have to work as hard to move the same cfm.
@joshs7981
@joshs7981 2 ай бұрын
Great to see you back. Love the videos!
@sonicnofadz
@sonicnofadz 2 ай бұрын
FINALLY n54 content. To hell with the athena cut ring, you straight up need an o-ring'd head. CSS + sleeves if you want a chance at surviving 1000+ HP. Lots of reported failures on the elring gasket, BUT to be fair, the deck and head surfaces have to be absolutely perfectly flat and finished to the correct surface roughness with a profilometer. If you aren't doing that, you will push coolant, especially with no o-rings.
@jallmighty1
@jallmighty1 2 ай бұрын
keep us updated i kno alot of us miss the vids
@rankzwazhere
@rankzwazhere 2 ай бұрын
I've enjoyed the content over the years, I was talking to my lil cousin who is 16 the other day about a drag racing build on a budget and all i could rave on about was a single turbo dct or 8hp n54 build on a 335i e92, you definitely helped influence that lol
@bryce-skids917
@bryce-skids917 2 ай бұрын
Great to see you back messing with the n54! Can't wait to hear that equal length manifold again. Cheers🍻
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
You and me both!
@masoncarroll3976
@masoncarroll3976 2 ай бұрын
The athena cutrings are extremely popular in the e36 world and most everybody swears by them. Mls seems to work great as long as block and head are machined nice and flat. Cutring tends to seal regardless.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
That’s what I’d heard. I’m hoping this is a solution for people so they dont need the visit to the machine shop.
@user-ns4eg9bt4x
@user-ns4eg9bt4x 2 ай бұрын
hell yes missed your n54 content bro ! glad to see its back ! loved this one
@reecewhiteman6723
@reecewhiteman6723 2 ай бұрын
I am dying to see an engine built with speed of air pistons. They are used primarily in disels but I think they could work wonders on the N54 due to the direct injection. happy to see the N54 content back on the channel thank you for doing such a good job.
@patrickgriffin6485
@patrickgriffin6485 2 ай бұрын
Awesome, can't wait to see your build and results. Big help for the rest of the n54 community.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
You and me both!
@davidgeorge5095
@davidgeorge5095 Ай бұрын
been watching you since 2018, glad to see you still have n54 content. I moved onto B58 but plan to purchase a 335is when the correct spec pops up.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube Ай бұрын
Thanks man! Its been a journey thats for sure. Awesome to hear you got yourself a B58. They are brilliant motor and not to mentioned F series and G series cars those motors come in are much nicer than the older e series. I still love my e92. Probabaly owes about what i can buy a g80 m3 for.... but im still trying to understand work things out with the platform. I love the working things out part. Time for the higher $$$ end of the N54 builds now....
@fbo_335i6
@fbo_335i6 2 ай бұрын
My car is an epoxy closed deck with ARP headstuds and the athena cut ring gasket. It does have 19ts so probably not going to make 800 but we will see how it goes!
@JebBenbow
@JebBenbow 2 ай бұрын
Woo-hoo Team N54 is back on the road less traveled. Great stuff Andrew. Excited to see how this plays out.
@ian.M440
@ian.M440 2 ай бұрын
Great vid looking forward for the next update
@sigmundfreud921
@sigmundfreud921 2 ай бұрын
Great that you are back into N54 content.
@kencooper8636
@kencooper8636 2 ай бұрын
Great to see you working on the N54 engine again. It will be exciting to follow your journey to a reliable 800hp n54 engine.
@Nico_335i_DCT
@Nico_335i_DCT 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for getting THE motor back on the channel again, Andrew. I started with this on your channel, some time ago. I'm a sub to The BoostedBoiz in the US, and they did a lot of trial and error on their K24 blocks. They are now at 1000Hp+ and ended up with copper cut rings. That wasn't enough either. Now they are rebuilding again and using special stainless steel cut rings to hold the boost. People learn a lot from these guys all over the World, understanding head gasket problems, although it's Honda content. Thanks for sharing.Cheers Nico.
@pawn3d167
@pawn3d167 2 ай бұрын
glad to see ur back! had an elring gasket fail in 15k km/ 2 years on my OFH, after overhauling all gaskets and cooling on my new to me e90. switched the oil tstat and ofh to genuine bmw and no issues so far after 5k. the genuine ones are made in japan ironically
@rd.3696
@rd.3696 2 ай бұрын
Keep N54 coming.Good work.👍
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting. These are what makes me want to do more!
@TurboLamikUS
@TurboLamikUS 2 ай бұрын
I just rebuilt my B58 with original gasket. Glad to see I made a good choice as I was also under impression they were the same. Had no idea. Thx Andrew
@cyberspooky
@cyberspooky 2 ай бұрын
I had a problem with a hemi six with six 2” Su’s and stage five nitrous and the only way I could stop my head gasket craping itself was to sleeve and copper o ring , never had a head gasket fail after that , the bottom end was another thing all together.
@igotaction
@igotaction 2 ай бұрын
Welcome back, maybe we need an update on Dave and new Dave
@Mp-jw1qg
@Mp-jw1qg 2 ай бұрын
the athena cut ring gaskets worked well for me. glad u got it sorted.
@horsepowerbarn
@horsepowerbarn Ай бұрын
MLS head gasket epoxy filled block proper length head studs from ARP not the normal kit people buy. and the car went 8.16 @ 168mph. that being said i love the content you are putting out.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube Ай бұрын
I didn’t realise it was the epoxy block that went 8.16. Pretty mega. I have been emailing Andy. Im keen to get some bits sent down for this one.
@markironside430
@markironside430 2 ай бұрын
Deposits on no3 inlet valve is Carbon from Oil in the cylinder. Check the spark plug carefully it will probably show there as well?.
@edwardwerley8831
@edwardwerley8831 2 ай бұрын
Great to see ur n54 content back.
@bimmertec
@bimmertec 2 ай бұрын
Welcome back bro super excited to see
@maxcutie822
@maxcutie822 2 ай бұрын
You made this video right as i was diving into your budget n54 content hoping to build my own wondering what happened to it
@Matthewww747
@Matthewww747 2 ай бұрын
Good to see this build back, I’m on the edge of walking away from this car and going the the S55 platform. So I am curious to see where you end up with this
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
With what s55 cars are worth right now it’s a no brainer. The e9x n54s are simply an old thing now.
@lestermackay433
@lestermackay433 2 ай бұрын
Im loving the N54 content Andrew, keep it coming. Thanks
@T.Cun.
@T.Cun. 2 ай бұрын
Proper fire ring and copper gasket is the way.... Steel compression strips around the cylinder will not deform enough to allow the fire rings to bite. Also check the copper gasket is annealed properly.
@rare7385
@rare7385 2 ай бұрын
Hey Andrew, great to see you getting back to the N54 content. My thoughts on the Athena racing head gasket are positive. (Currently planing a few mods on my m235i and have been researching it for myself). As long as the head and block are straight and true the gasket should hold up to about 50psi. Although my understanding is exhaust manifold pressure has an influence on this. I would combine the cut ring gasket with head studs and deck the block and head etc. Quite interested to see how this one pans out!
@Jam24711
@Jam24711 2 ай бұрын
I highly recommend you still go with ARP hardware since BMW head bolts are torque to yield and that could mess with the cut rings properly sealing and cutting into the head / block.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
This was a concern of mine. Also why i checked the break away tq required to remove the last stretch bolts (these would have seen around 700whp and potencially the head lifting). The "main" issue is the cost of going to an upgraded stud. The other point i didnt clarify enough in the video, when you use studs and change the factory head tq values, we dont really know what effect that has on the entire structure of the block. Papadakas did a great video on the B58 recently. He summised (loose term here) that the factory B58 bores are not straight until they are bolted down. To the point he said if this brand new OEM block was recieved this way from a machine shop he would return it to have it redone. He believed the factory are maching defects in to the block which correct themselves when torqued down. So in the inetrest of trying to be scientific. I wanted to see what would happen with this style gasket and factory torque values on the head. Ive seen unopened n54 engines roll 1000whp. Massive single turbos with a very thin power band. But the factory head gasket will hold for a little while. I've also seen a few blocks crack where the ARP bolts have been fitted. Obviously to get a decent stud in there you need to time sert as factory thread in the alloy block is limiting to a point. But then if you time sert the amount of material around the time sert is also quite thin. There is a lot that goes in to making an engine work at 2/3 times its intended power level and not many people understand all the aspects of each potencial upgrade. There are hardly any N54 engines out there that get used for prolonged periods above 850whp. Nearly everything breaks pretty quickly. Im trying to piece together a puzzle of everyones results and combinations interest of a combo around the 800whp level. Which lets be honest is more than enough for these chassis.
@liftedcj7on44s
@liftedcj7on44s 2 ай бұрын
Have had 0 luck with those gasket's at my job, We mostly do Evo's,GTR's and Lambo's. Our method is Copper Gasket with a fire ring. For the N54 I would keep the Factory MLS, Do a stainless steel wire in the head and ARP head stud's. That method should crack the sleeve before the gasket blows.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
What power levels per cyl were the ones failing? What you are saying is 100% better, but also quite costly.
@liftedcj7on44s
@liftedcj7on44s 2 ай бұрын
@ZeroTo60Tube On a 4G63 around 1200whp or higher is when we do a copper gasket and fire rings. On a GTR it's around 1800whp when we start doing the same. With Evo's we can usually keep the headgasket happy with a stainless O-ring in the head on a factory MLS gasket up to around 1000whp. Copper O-rings do not work as they are too soft. Now keep in mind an open deck block changes everything. If you know about Myles Integra we run dowels on all the head studs.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
@@liftedcj7on44s Those examples are way above the power goals i would like to see. I am curious about the integra setup with dowels on all the head studs. I feel that would help reduce twist in the block fairly significantly.
@gavinbranks9570
@gavinbranks9570 2 ай бұрын
I like your thinking, looking forward to the build .
@seanissomething
@seanissomething 2 ай бұрын
youtube algorithm only just blessed me with this video today. lets gooo!! been here since the china turbo days, can't wait for more N54 content!
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
DUDE!!! i was wondering where you were in the comments..... Im trying to get an update filmed this weekend. But fitting the new rods has not got to plan..... God damn its like im cursed with this engines.
@seanissomething
@seanissomething 2 ай бұрын
@@ZeroTo60Tube the struggle is part of the journey brother, inspiring to see you constantly pushing 💪
@Dave-but-why
@Dave-but-why 2 ай бұрын
Yep..was a vq35hr..3.5 V6.. 980whp was the limit regardless of head clamp.. Combustion chamber deflection was the root problem, sleeves wobble at 750+.. deck guard, glue,pinned liners... Some engines just can't take the cylinder pressure.
@GTRliffe
@GTRliffe 2 ай бұрын
i can tell you one thing that influences more than any of the things you mentioned TUNE! remove torque because you don't need it with such an efficient gearbox-really wind back the torque under 4.5k and this won't happen again MLS gaskets do 35psi easy! if you were making 700nm make it 500 skim the head properly this time! also you will flex the block if you use ARP to its maximum torque. don't go over 15% torque to standard if you can shorten diff gears, this helps engine load allot also
@heathbailey4149
@heathbailey4149 2 ай бұрын
Welcome back mate
@friguy4444
@friguy4444 2 ай бұрын
I only heard about these gaskets with the locking type rings a few weeks ago. I understand that people would use copper (Or was it brass?) wire to try and do the same thing except by hand on the top of the block running the wire in figure 8 style shapes through the piston holes. If that made any sense lol. MY OEM engine is holding well so far with basically the exact type of build you had with the cheap 17T build. But one day it won't so I'll have to see what happens to yours. I hope it's a good way to go. Si glad to see your making content again Andrew!
@cbdrift
@cbdrift 2 ай бұрын
i saw an open deck block where the engine builder drilled a dowel hole, so a round dowel pin slides into the hole a few inches, with an overlap on both cylinder wall and block - so the one round dowel pin locked that part of the bore and the block together - they ran a few of these spaced evenly around the cylinders - and being metal they would not allow movement between the open deck cylinder and the block. You could flush fit them or you could recess them depending on what your head gasket needed to cover / seat on. It looks like your cylinder walls are similar thickness to the one i saw - which was not on a bmw. maybe an option?
@ImTheDud3
@ImTheDud3 2 ай бұрын
Hcr Latvia have develop some n54 studs tested 1000hpw
@tighematthew
@tighematthew 2 ай бұрын
I have been running the Vulcan cut ring gasket for the n54. No problem yet
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
what power levels are you at or 100-200 times?
@tighematthew
@tighematthew 2 ай бұрын
@ZeroTo60Tube Not sure on power not really anywhere to do 100-200 without going to jail.. its around running 28psi with the new Ball Bearing turbos. Still chasing a few gremlins out of it. I walked that M4 that you did a video on so a bit more then that.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Has to be 700ish. Good to hear! Which brand of gasket did you use?
@tighematthew
@tighematthew 2 ай бұрын
@ZeroTo60Tube Vulcan . They say there good from 50hp to 5000hp
@cornfedboost
@cornfedboost 2 ай бұрын
Those cut ring gaskets make a big difference on a closed deck engine, so it will be good to see how it goes on an open deck one
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Its something i wanted to investigate. I havent seen anyone try this combination. Also kinda clutching at straws with stock headbolts. They seem ok around 750whp, its almost like they have a little give as everything is hot and expandting/twisting. Where ARP dont really do that.
@cornfedboost
@cornfedboost 2 ай бұрын
@ZeroTo60Tube yeah I'm keen to see how it goes.. also good to see some videos again, I've always wanted to play around with those gaskets they look great on paper.
@AnthonyWayneLee
@AnthonyWayneLee 2 ай бұрын
There have been a lot of failures with those Athena head gaskets as well.OEM seems to be the best bet.
@335bye4
@335bye4 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the N54 content 🙏 ❤️
@ronn147
@ronn147 2 ай бұрын
Loving the content! I’m used to dealing with v8s but I enjoy learning about all different makes and engine builds. I had a thought and if it’s a crap idea for your build then just disregard it. Have you ever heard of or watched any Steve morris videos? Big v8 high horsepower guy but when it comes to o rings for head to block combo he seems to have a really good system. He puts the steel ring in the head and groves the block then uses a copper head gasket to “squeeze” the gasket into the groove in the block for maximum sealing. Just thought I’d throw that out there as another possible idea to seal the cylinders up and maybe not cost an arm and a leg lol. Good luck. I’ll be following along!
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I enjoy Steve’s videos. That ring is the “real” way to hold combustion pressure in. I’m still playing around with this motor build. Definitely not the best way to go a n54, but some more experimenting like the old days.
@ronn147
@ronn147 2 ай бұрын
@@ZeroTo60Tube good luck! I’m curious what you come up with!
@iqraceworks9707
@iqraceworks9707 2 ай бұрын
I recently built my N54....flat head and block, RB 2 turbos at 25psi, forged pistons and rods, new OEM head bolts torqued properly to BMW's angle sequence.....and used an Elring head gasket. Same thing....failed right off the bat, motor is using coolant....it's getting in the oil. I'm guessing I have the same problem you had. Time for a new OEM BMW head gasket.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Ahhh man, sorry to hear. There is something different about these Elrings. I guess they are being made for 300hp not 600hp. Side by side the sealant around coolant/oil jackets is a different size to OEM, the holes for the head bolts are also a different size to OEM.
@Vortiz_01
@Vortiz_01 2 ай бұрын
My motor is budget built. Adp rods/pistons. Coyote gen 2 head studs / time serts Epoxy insert, oem gasket+ headgasket spray. Doing solid around 700 hp .
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
That’s a sweet setup.
@Kh.J.
@Kh.J. 2 ай бұрын
I have tried that O-Ring head gasket and have issue where oil leaking it provide good support for the cylinder combustion but not enough seal on oil passages and went back to OE gasket it’s the best until i have cracked sleeve moreover those O-Ring will not provide any cylinder support from moving their ring bite only in to head and bottom is flat surface close deck the only way to support the cylinder CSS I’m in doing so i have semi closed duck when i have cracked the sleeve though bad sleeve material or installation error not sure maybe both.
@zukomonitor
@zukomonitor 2 ай бұрын
N54 content 👌 can't wait to hear that JMC exhaust note!
@Zodiam.
@Zodiam. 2 ай бұрын
Cant wait! Are you sticking with DI + Reflex PI for fueling or are you going with the Nexsys DI delete?
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Not sticking with Di. I need to work out a few more little details and I’ll do a video on the fueling setup plans soon. Maybe next weekend.
@glennarnold3970
@glennarnold3970 2 ай бұрын
hi andrew if the head and block aren't going to a machine shop to be decked get your self a flat pain of glass and stick some 400 grit we n dry sand paper to it wet the sandpaper with crc and slide it over the head and block surface the glass will be dead flat this will tell you if the mating surfaces are indeed flat if they are not off to the machine shop and yes more n54 content please cheers glenn
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Wise words!
@glennarnold3970
@glennarnold3970 2 ай бұрын
thanks mate i sent you an email about dicass brakes cheers glenn
@ScubaSteveArkinstall
@ScubaSteveArkinstall 2 ай бұрын
Buck should know a fair bit about this shouldn’t he? And what about grout filling the block instead of epoxy! Also I just built a new CA18 bottom end, so I should be pulling the old CA apart soon too! Good fun playing with engines haha!
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
He’s being him. Apparently I should 2jz swap it if I want it make power haha
@ScubaSteveArkinstall
@ScubaSteveArkinstall 2 ай бұрын
Haha damn, that would be crazy!! Or RB it like Jake Jones RBM3, that’s probably the best sounding e92 m3 ever!!
@ScubaSteveArkinstall
@ScubaSteveArkinstall 2 ай бұрын
But I do like that you play with the N54’s like you do!
@Jeff-bw5kw
@Jeff-bw5kw 2 ай бұрын
Andrew, first, great to see hard-core N54 content. Watching the time-lapse of your taking off the head was pure rapture! Second, I see FCP Euro sells both Elring “OEM” and Genuine BMW head gaskets in two thicknesses - “stock” and “1.52mm (+0.30) Thicker Than Stock”. Which thickness had you used, and any thoughts on choosing one over the other? Third, the comments about tuning to keep torque (and hence cylinder pressure) low at low rpm seems to make a lot of sense from an engineering perspective to help minimize cylinder deflection. It would seem that a given pressure in the power stroke, a cylinder will have more time to deflect at low rpm than at high rpm.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
The thickness of the head gaskets generally come in to play when surfaces have been machined. The thicker gasket then makes up the difference in the combustion chamber. Previously i used a stock thickness. Factory gaskets are identified by holes in the corner of the gasket. The Elring runs a difference hole numbering system it seems. The elring is definitely not the same as the genuine MLS. Regarding the "tuning" this is very evident with big single turbo N54s. They cant make power down low due to the lag, which is why they seem last at higher peak power levels than the twin turbo cars.
@robingroeneveld4169
@robingroeneveld4169 2 ай бұрын
Using such a thin cut-ring to keep the liners in place is quite risky imho. Machining the top of the block and pressing in an insert may be a bit more expensive, but should be way more reliable. Even cheaper pinning of the cilinders with alu dowelpins at the corners is a much better Idea.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Accurate statements. But I want to see what the cut ring does vs a mls. See if it’s any benifit.
@km6832
@km6832 2 ай бұрын
​@@ZeroTo60Tubethe results will likely be the same. Then you would have to take the block apart again because you will still have wall flex because of combustion pressures..not my money but if you want to experiment on it more power to you
@Coombsly
@Coombsly 2 ай бұрын
That head needs resurfacing. Modern engines are cast with hardly any strength, over heating will cause distortion. You will also need to straight edge checks on the block especially where the gasket blown
@km6832
@km6832 2 ай бұрын
So the issue is head gasket sealing. I agree budget is considered but why not just do the block insert with the copper o ring? The o-ring does not keep the cylinder wall stable the block insert does. All the o-ring does is seal the head and block for the combustion pressures. The insert keeps the walls stable.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
It’s all about cost. Trying to find a way to get them around that 800whp with the need to go to a machine shop. An oring to bite in to the head like these cut ring style gaskets to. It’s not going to be as affective as an insert. But it’s a mechanical connection now. Which it doesn’t have with a MLS.
@km6832
@km6832 2 ай бұрын
@@ZeroTo60Tube okay. I'll check back in december and see if it makes any difference
@Dave-but-why
@Dave-but-why 2 ай бұрын
Need to find a way to "key" the tops of the bore to the combustion chamber\head. So that, and sky's the limit.. aka..gm Ecotec racing 2.2..
@jamesgarrard4361
@jamesgarrard4361 2 ай бұрын
By the way it looks like aluminium on the valves that you said are the exhaust valves ??? and the fuel mixture is weak as hell !!!!
@cryptocraze9550
@cryptocraze9550 2 ай бұрын
Drop a link to the new head gasket
@ambmotorsports6307
@ambmotorsports6307 2 ай бұрын
Those Athena gaskets are notorious to leak coolant out through the matting surfaces wouldn’t recommend, oem gasket and a good machinist is all you need
@davizzleman
@davizzleman 2 ай бұрын
They only bite into the cylinder head. They are Flat on the block side! Dont mix it up!
@candygarage8019
@candygarage8019 2 ай бұрын
Keen to see epoxy filling
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
The N54 facebook groups have quite a few people trying it. That is the main reason, i though i would go this way. We will have the data from others on the epoxy.
@Simb-l
@Simb-l 2 ай бұрын
You should do the n53 head swap
@B19D09
@B19D09 2 ай бұрын
how many test runs will this new head last, asking for a mate
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Time will tell…..
@A-S-concept974
@A-S-concept974 2 ай бұрын
Hi ...in France and Europe, I have had bad feedback on the Athena head gaskets. do you have an opinion on the cometic head gasket?
@Jennydeath22
@Jennydeath22 2 ай бұрын
Been considering doing an 8 speed swap since revisiting your channel. I don't really see anyone here in the US doing any 8hp swaps or any content regarding it. Got a z3m coupe that keeps eating up slave cylinders. So tired of it that I'm tempted to just tear the trans out and go with the 8hp. The stock gearing on the 5 speed they come with is terrible with the stock rear end ratio. Going deaf on the freeway.
@jasonschreiber6458
@jasonschreiber6458 2 ай бұрын
No teeth on the bottom side of cut rings. They will not hold the bores. They only cut the head. I think you need to go bigger than 9mm on the outer studs. You can't get your homies to plazma table you a metal insert? Press the block into a closed deck? May not cost you that much in the bigger picture. Mabye press in a few pieces if its easier. (Idk how tight or if it distorts the bores out if round. )
@ImTheDud3
@ImTheDud3 2 ай бұрын
Athena gasket seals combustion and cooland good , but its have one issue its leaking oil....
@d.l.carstens505
@d.l.carstens505 2 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for this one 👌
@Ren200Z_MotoringLife
@Ren200Z_MotoringLife 2 ай бұрын
Oh Boy !!! cant seee this composite head gaskets holding up to so many more than normal heat cycles...
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
There has to be a reason they exist. And so many well established companies selling them.
@agebali
@agebali 2 ай бұрын
I missed the n54 content
@bmwe-op4jx
@bmwe-op4jx 2 ай бұрын
Athena cutring quality is bad We had 6 failures with athena cutring on 6 different engines,all had the same issue Leaking coolant and oil externally from day 1 Also we try to fix the issue with retorque but didnt work The issue with Athena is that the rings are made wrong vs the gasket thickness so the ring dont let the paper gasket to seal the coolant and oil If you want a cutring gasket that work speak with Gemoflan race gaskets in Greece We run Gemoflan custom cutring gaskets on our builds with zero issues
@Glo_Natee
@Glo_Natee 2 ай бұрын
im gonna run oem gasket, stock head bolts, epoxy, with only head resurface. I'll see how it goes
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
I think that is a fairly safe, tried method. Hopefully it serves you well. What pistons and rods are you using?
@Glo_Natee
@Glo_Natee 2 ай бұрын
@@ZeroTo60Tube cp pistons and brian crower rods
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
@@Glo_Natee doing it properly! i like
@cptrey
@cptrey 2 ай бұрын
What have you heard or zrp rods? They Are I-beam instead of the typical h beam rods out there
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
I have heard of them. But that’s all
@tronn_carter
@tronn_carter 2 ай бұрын
Finally
@starfox_wr-45e93
@starfox_wr-45e93 2 ай бұрын
Heh, didn't expect to hear a Beytek shout out on this channel. Small world, made even smaller by the internet. lol Salutations from our little Island known as the U.K
@Mr16bit
@Mr16bit 2 ай бұрын
Is anyone measuring stud stretch to rule out studs contributing to the headgasket failure? I hope the style gasket you are testing works. I'm sure people would love to know
@dylantrinderBMW
@dylantrinderBMW 2 ай бұрын
Awesome !!! Lets go
@mcmillinpead
@mcmillinpead 2 ай бұрын
id gauge the surfaces before blaming the gasket
@funkmastertraf
@funkmastertraf 2 ай бұрын
Sup mate these Athena are worse than MLS, save yourself troubles don't try, i know multiple people that blew these at sub 600
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Got some more info to share? Reasons for failure etc?
@funkmastertraf
@funkmastertraf 2 ай бұрын
@@ZeroTo60Tube First guy was on CTS at 22psi @ E40, only thing the shop had in stock so they assembled the engine with it, blew up as soon as we dialed up the boost. Second guy was running HP650 on straight E85, both guys had pressure in the coolant system. First went with OE after that, no issues to this day, the other got a victor reinz, also no issues to this day.
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
What sort of power were they making? Did you see any photos of the failure point?
@funkmastertraf
@funkmastertraf 2 ай бұрын
@@ZeroTo60Tube Unfortunately i don't. Both sub 600 at the time of the failures happening, now both are around 620-630ish actually
@BigTickEnergy
@BigTickEnergy 2 ай бұрын
Curious, after decking the head and/or block, how much do you think/figure can you take off before having to get a thicker head gasket?
@km6832
@km6832 2 ай бұрын
Measure the deck to piston height.. that tells you how much you can safely remove
@jaysworld707
@jaysworld707 2 ай бұрын
All this trouble to get to 800whp. Time to consider a different motor
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
What motor will do 800whp with pistons, rods and gasket?
@ImTheDud3
@ImTheDud3 2 ай бұрын
Also seen video Indian i gues making head gasket by hand and packing elring labaled package.
@TIPh0enix
@TIPh0enix 2 ай бұрын
We back 🔥🔥🔥
@marcchaney9506
@marcchaney9506 2 ай бұрын
Hey there, really hope you see this! I’m In nz and wanting to take a 8hp45 out of a 525i f10 bmw, I think it is n52 and wanting to put it on my n54!! But just wanting to know if the bell housings are the same or different and if there are different who would be the best place to help out with everything I need for the conversion ? Would love to know from you !
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
I think bell housing is the same. the converter is not. You are best to use a N55 8hp45
@marcchaney9506
@marcchaney9506 2 ай бұрын
@@ZeroTo60Tube thank you so much for replying!!!! I definitely would use one off a n55 as first choice but got one off a n52 for free so trying to make it work If possible. Is there anyone you would recommend to talk to about it?
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
@@marcchaney9506 not really, everyone in know will tell you to use a N55 version.
@c.c7263
@c.c7263 2 ай бұрын
Just to make it clear: the BMW Genuine headgasket is better than Elring ? Doing an engine rebuild on my N54 with OEM gaskets, should I go with Genuine BMW headgasket though?
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely. The elrings have issues around the 650whp mark.
@c.c7263
@c.c7263 2 ай бұрын
@@ZeroTo60Tube Okay. And is it the same with valve stem seal, oil pan gasket? I guess it's better to use all Genuine BMW gaskets to be on the safe side... especially for internals. Not so worried about OFHG as it's easier to change...
@alexandrumardare828
@alexandrumardare828 2 ай бұрын
Some just Drill holes in the water jacket and then press cylinders in there
@Ratdweller
@Ratdweller 2 ай бұрын
love the content!
@nickboyco2666
@nickboyco2666 2 ай бұрын
Will you be using the zd30 head bolts?
@ZeroTo60Tube
@ZeroTo60Tube 2 ай бұрын
No, this is purely an experiment. I don’t want to have any extra variables than just the head gasket. To see what it will do.
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