MY EXPERT OPINION EP# 207: K SHINE EXPOSES BATTLE RAP CULTURE, DISLOYALTY, BROTHERHOOD +MUCH MORE

[@elev8te]

This one is a goodie. The real ones in battle rap appreciate this ☝🏾.

[@majorant102]

💯

[@arianmay405]

💯💯💯

[@Blue.tezzDvr]

Facts 💯💯

[@rtholman83]

For sure one of my favs.

[@1BridgeKid]

Moral of the story..understand what you are signing and never sign anything without a trustworthy attorney present..Hopefully Shine can get through this and make a major comeback cause it ain’t the same without him and Surf

[@Psn.HerCake_MyFace]

Battle rap has been fine without him or surf. ARP and Rbe is holding it down

[@JhuslieLyfleur]

​@@Psn.HerCake_MyFacenaw..I miss surf

[@JamesJones-vn8qo]

❤ ok

[@DominantElting-wj6pk]

@@Psn.HerCake_MyFacewhat are u talking about , that has nothing to do with the issue how leagues do wrong by the artist’s allegedly. I normally don’t even comment but this was a irrelevant comment and pessimistic.

[@f.c.e7111]

@@Psn.HerCake_MyFacechatten

[@calebtheviceroy]

Big Salute to SHINE. "New beginnings are often disguised as painful endings." Lao Tzu

[@Klasik489]

This was a great interview! S/o to K Shine definitely a legend in battle rap! Can’t wait to see what’s next for him in battle rap! Salute to Swave and Ike P!

[@Uncleboogie478]

Brizz said it best vs wavy "This is a battle I DON'T NEED OR LIKE" they been setting up these kind of matches

[@arcadestickgaming6601]

"They give a championship match to a nigga who DONT EVEN FIGHT"

[@N3KR0SiS_YT]

Damn i wanna see some brizz battles man

[@kristopherwilliams5270]

Whatever happened to Brizz?

[@N3KR0SiS_YT]

@@kristopherwilliams5270 no idea man. But he was B(rizz) when he was on stage and that wavvy battle is some pinnacle shit. O-red battle another good one. Like bro never let you down from what i see. Granted people like what they like and judge accordingly but he's one of my favorites for sure.

[@nimmha6708]

He "ran" away from battlerap after having an altercation at an event. Mook & Calicoe vs Brizz & T-Top. Brizz was weird that night, Mook punched AT him and then the event was basically over. @@kristopherwilliams5270

[@martinpeeves147]

man straight up and down ..Math episodes is so engaging and interesting…shh..came onto this episode off of Drinks champs recent episode with Meth…yeah 🥱…big up Math!!! keep it funky

[@jrrd4069]

Makes me respect Bigg K's refusal to cave in and still create a lane. Talent can beat everything in the end.

[@biggfacts6083]

Yea he just battled on KOTD. But ok

[@jrrd4069]

@@biggfacts6083 What's that got to do with the convo sir. He's not signing to any predatory contracts.

[@nimmha6708]

Yeah so he ain't doing business with the URLeeches. Good for him. RBE, Chrome, GTX, KOTD all better for these emcees nowadays. @@biggfacts6083

[@vipset87]

Same with a ward

[@vipset87]

​@@biggfacts6083he's not signed to an exclusive KOTD contract tho. Your comment proves the exact opposite of what you're trying to convey

[@kashflokevo450]

I love to see how far Math Hoffa has came (pause)….he went from getting the short piece of bread to getting getting his own loaf…much love

[@Just_KennySTL314]

Ohhhhh Hitman’s story about his dealings with Url would be crazy

[@Just_KennySTL314]

This is 🔥🔥🔥🔥 content it needs to be brought to the light 🫡 K-Shine

[@majorant102]

Salute my brother 🙏🏾 💯 Thank you

[@Just_KennySTL314]

Now we gotta get Daylyt side of the story Math👀 😂 then you gotta bring Rex and Verb back together and tie everything in from the inception of url

[@johnrussell1248]

Yhea we need that fr

[@veemajor1721]

Finally ! Shine is spending time with us 💁🏾‍♀️👏🏿✊🏿

[@ImEnemy608]

Math has gotten really good at pushing back on certain points and extending the conversation. Good shit brother, i see the growth!

[@aaronlondon627]

fire interview i love math and shine growth its nothing but tremendous salute brothers!

[@gotti2ls188]

Shoutout to Math and the podcast fasho! Definitely a big battle rap and hip hop fan so ik how far my guy came fr! Only smack rapper that’ll smack rappers‼️ but yea GOTTA BRING SHINE BACK TO THE RING💯 shoutout to him and #ZIPEMUP

[@tylerty777]

Finally, the full episode is spending time with me 🔥

[@thehighbridz]

Aye Verb broke ALL OF THIS BATTLE RAP CONTRACT SITUATION down so INTRICATELY a while back. It's almost eerie because everything Shine said about URL was exactly what Verb said about countless other rappers. He even tried to warn the new guys coming in about things like this and most of them didn't listen. I know everyone has different life situations, but to keep seeing your peers tell the same stories yet you still end up in the same situation is wild. URL must have Dirt and possible career ending info on dudes because this sounds like some Big Red from The 5 Heartbeats type of sh!t😅

[@walkermusicandother3374]

Yea they make them compromise

[@KatoOnTheTrack1]

So in other words everything is in the contracts and they sign anyway…

[@JPitamus]

Daylyt too!

[@LEvELSCALES]

URL got battlers in 2 year contracts 😂😂😂 Sat half of RBE artists and their own artists down.

[@DJKuroh]

It's easy: they were BROKE. Period. Geechi: When I finally met all my favorite battle rappers they all was broke

[@TarellHudson]

So basically, Shine is a private contractor not beholden to URL. No guarantees to him per se but he’s beholden to them as far as who he battles. And because it was blank names with upfront payment and backend fees, technically they could pay him $15k today to battle Taco Tony and $2k next month to battle Lux.

[@vipset87]

Thanks for bringing battlerap back onto the show math. Im a looooong time supporter, i feel you're at your best in this lane

[@kbelanger555]

A wise man one said “Every relationship is circumstantial.”

[@rtholman83]

🤔 deep

[@DMV-SaxTv]

The most anticipated MEO battle rap interview of 2023! Allot of extended BS fallout ova this one. Salute Math!

[@theoervin4755]

What needs to be understood by a lot of people is how deep contract law really is. In many instances contract law is above the law of the land. If you sign a contract the law of the land cannot save you and the average citizen isn't taught that Also what needs to be understood is that the business culture that he is speaking of it's not exclusive to underground rap battles or the music industry as many people believe. This is the business culture across-the-board. It doesn't matter if you were a W-2 worker or you're an independent contractor, this is happening more often than not. Profitability dictates that you spend low on resources and workers but charge high prices. This is coming from a person that had to learn the hard way.

[@evergreen_g7]

In all instances. It’s a waiver of certain rights

[@mikefint3398]

​@@evergreen_g7 Something Agreed upon by both Parties is not a Waiver of Rights.

[@golddigger5462]

Awesome episode, love seeing Kshine, love math back interviewing battle rappers.

[@markusthompson1750]

Man k shine is missed man we need him back

[@DBD241]

It’s dope to see how much Shine cares about battle rap and his battle rap fans

[@Bksdondiva]

Shine is my fav Can’t wait for your come back I’m super excited ❤💪🏽🙏🏽

[@Th3Abyss]

Dope interview. I hope this leads to more battle rap content to clear the air on other issues ,so the culture can continue to grow. 🙏🏾

[@KhavOwens]

Lets get itttttt I just rewatched the Yayo interview waiting for this to drop Shout out math hoffa

[@mango1769]

This was a great episode however I think k-shine deserves at least a three-hour episode with his knowledge and experience I know he has so much more to say. He probably has some wild stories to tell

[@TonioCoats]

I noticed how shine say bro a lot.had me thinking of dna backstoy blogs 😁

[@gazac5018]

“Battle rap ain’t what it seem, cuz they got 5 missing like the Submarine”-K-Shine

[@JeromeGroveros4uf]

SALUTE KING!!!!!!! ANOTHER GREAT SHOW!!

[@PookieKurt]

Much respect to you Math for giving Shine the opportunity to speak his peace 💪🏾

[@chariotz_ofpyre23]

Shout out to Math for this show💯......this one was lesson in business, contracts, negotiating and the culture. 🔥🔥🔥Content bro

[@SaluteTheVet]

It’s unfortunate that it takes controversy for a battle rapper to get on the pod. Salute to shine and math. Hoping this situation clears up and both parties amicably agree to push the culture forward and put shine back on that big stage

[@Royce_Gates]

Math wanted to get battle rappers but they all hates in the beginning. Now I'm sure they'll beg to be on here.

[@imacoolguy9280]

@@Royce_Gates i seen a bunch of niggas showing love since the beginning of maths pod that hasnt been on so wym? say names this sound like cap

[@Royce_Gates]

@@imacoolguy9280 wish Math would reply. If you were around during the "read between the lines" days he spoke on it alot.

[@whogotbarslikethese7563]

Surf hitman goodz brizz rawsteen big k. And that's just off the top of my head.

[@dresavbeatz4431]

Besides holla all the niggas you named literally hate for a living

[@onlygodcan30]

Top notch!!! More battle rappers please❤

[@acapellabully]

I can Tell Math been taking a Lot of Wisdom and Jewels and advice from Vlad when them cameras go off. As well as other great people he been around and has interviewed. I love to see this for math and the ( My expert Opinion ) Podcast members imma say it every time 🎉🎉🎉 flowers going to always be given from me 💯🤞🏾

[@202_dougie_7]

Yea this was a really insightful conversation. Didn’t know The business of battle rap could get so dark.

[@seankorey9001]

Been watching since the beginning math and the crew growth is fire to watch from the beginning

[@feetyler4244]

Why Math tell Champ to chill on the traveling 😂😂😂

[@Getbizzy718]

Finally swave is back!!! Them reviewing the moon n drugz fight was a classic !! 🤣🤣🤣 that might have been episode 1 lmao

[@LokiFrom219]

We gotta protect Shine bruh. He my fav battle rapper frfr

[@greedyvegan4510]

Shout out to one of the realest exposing the vultures to the culture

[@ntuthukobrendonbhengu7518]

What Math said summed it up perfectly, battle rap should be promoter-artist instead of label-artist. You can't have variety trying to mix up 1 small roster and the battlers with the highest profiles either do multiple leagues or stick to one but have bigger bags outside of battle rap.

[@jbennett87]

Two minutes in and I'm dying, how you park your car at the bus stop 😂😂😂😂

[@PrettyAdrian804]

You have to watch the DNA interview after this one. Bro caught a body!!

[@rtholman83]

44:51 That “curtain” analogy is on point 💯

[@niemak8219]

Him & surf my two fav battle rappers to watch , both passionate about the craft

[@ExoticAsianGoddess]

I'm so proud of Math, Swave, Ike, & Shine. I have watched all of you guys fight, hustle, battle, & perform to get where you are today. You guys are Artist. You guys are Men. You guys are Kings! 👑🐐's 🗣📢 #HoffaGang #TeamHomi #ZipEmUp #ForTheMuthafuckingCulture ‼️🩷

[@JohnEdmondson-dc6dt]

Talk yo shit k shine 💯💯💯💯💯💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@deezel19]

Math telling a person he can't travel anymore is wild 😂

[@feetyler4244]

Facts I caught that

[@thebigswermdiggs3383]

That’s what Bigga was talking about

[@corporatemaq]

Its possible they have on the schedule.

[@thegxdsarewatching]

I searched the comments for this because i couldn’t be the only one that noticed that. That shit is weird as hell to me

[@thechosen5805]

Word!!

[@marcuslogan2880]

Incredible show! I stay tapped in, but the fake echo intro is bad. LOL

[@FeliciaDaniel]

I see Math in a different light. I like this Math, lemme go subscribe ❤

[@ebercasio]

“A lot of cats can’t read… especially out loud.”😂😂😂

[@PitbullPlayboy95]

I ran across SwaveSevah in Harlem about a week ago bro good people’s!!

[@naremhudson4480]

"Your perpetuity to the universe and beyond" is a real thing like that brother said and that shiii is hard as heck to reverse once you sign such a deal. This why from this very point on for all whos watching and listening LEARN BUSINESS,LEARN CONTRACTS,LEARN "WORDINGS" IN CONTRACTS ETC all of this is very important if you bet on you self then remember what Nipsey Hussle(Rip Nipsey Hussle)said its "A Marathon" That was a jewel drop if ever there was one.

[@dredenny6654]

Almost 1M subscribers Math. Well done. Ya'll be inspired rather than hate. fr fr🎉💯💎

[@RareRapHQ]

Salute to 2real4battle rap Harlem on the recap salute and sending me here

[@ferdinandramos8112]

I hope we get to see what shine is talking about come into fruition. Alot of people talk about future events and they fall flat.

[@andrewjohnson7627]

See shine starting to understand the numbers. Like the battle with him and Rex should have been an 100k battle to keep it 💯

[@navythegeneral]

I really enjoyed K-Shine being featured in this interview. I think there were some great points that you can craft from. I think this was a good watch thumbs up #navyszn

[@gazac5018]

32:04 is When Shine told us he WOKE TF UP!!!

[@dayashathirsts]

Math got on the Gucci piranha plants. Fire interview Shine is my favorite battle rapper of all time but it was Math first. I’m happy to see them both.

[@RICHBYBLOOD]

Shine just step on the stage and say “ I said Ayo….TIME!!!”. All 3 rounds.

[@dredenny6654]

NO HE DON'T. U A GOOFY

[@_what006]

Ive been watching shine for over 10 years and hes a diffemet kind of beast...big respect

[@thakidrmh314]

It’s sad to see how politics and money are ruining our treasures, AND WE ARE LETTING IT HAPPEN. Not the voices of reason but the players in the game that know better. Stay sucka free Shine, STL hear u

[@mihlayonkephilasandejele8627]

Shine spilling EVERYTHING! 😁

[@LosIshiphop]

I've been watching Battle Rap since day 1. Just like anything else in the world 🌎 the money changes everything.

[@JohnEdmondson-dc6dt]

K shine is the best in battle rap hands down 💯💯💯💯💯💯💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@yunghope7]

That did my heart good, I'm here for all of it💯 shouts out to Math Hoffa talkin some battle rap again. Instant classic 💪🏾🤞🏾

[@RareRapHQ]

Great video this was a great episode

[@Nonshaunlant]

Shine track jacket go hard!!! I need that.

[@quranrobinson4801]

the beginning was fire. very wholesome lol

[@LEvELSCALES]

When Shine was sitting down during the bubble he was on caffeine having tournaments in the DOJO..

[@RareRapHQ]

Great video math need to a video on 5 God getting Kay flock jammed up when the cops took his phone

[@beybey4282]

Realest statement ever...BY NOT HAVING A CURTAIN...STAY AUTHENTIC AND TRUE TO URSELF..N WHATEVER GOD HAS FOR U U GON GET IT...EVEN IF U GOTTA TEST TO SEE IF U MEANT FOR "THE GAME" OR NOT ..THE OPPORTUNITY WAS WHAT IS WAS..N ULL NEVER HAVE TO LIVE IN THE LAND OF REGRET...ENTERTAINMENT AINT FOR EVERYBODY...HOWEVER U DONT KNOW THAT UNLESS U GIVE IT A FAIR SHOT...BE U THRU IT ALL ..FINISH WHAT U START N IF U AINT FEELING IT BUY THAT GAME OF JUMANJI FOREVER..CUZ ITS DEFINITELY A WORLD WIND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COMES WITH IT ALL.. I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO NOT PLAY AFTER A WHILE THO...CUZ WHEN U LOOK UNDER THAT "CURTAIN" U SEE THE GAME IS FAKE BUT "MONSTERS R REAL!! KEEP GOD FIRST N CLOSE!!🙏🙏💯❤️🤩

[@Kash7_]

I ain’t gonna lie it sounds like Shine was down bad (money wise) and URL knew it that’s why they offered him a backwards contract 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@lexknowsbest6374]

Shoutout to shine bro I feel everything bro was saying & I hope he do change this shit for everyone battling & the culture cuz nights deserve more truthfully 💯 & I love the curtain analogy . I hope everything work out. S/O to smack for doing all he has done & building the culture too but certain shit ain’t right & it’s happened to a bunch of some of the top battlers. I hope this shit works out for the best for everyone fam

[@Cashburn1]

Legend has it that Shine is still on the podcast set saying BRO!!! This man said BRO A GazillonTrillionBillionMillion times

[@swaggafiedfashionupholster6440]

Yo... Props and Respect to you brothers... Dope A$$ interview, Yo Math, The Next Battle rapper you should interview Brizz Rawsteen.... Word

[@blackshadow_btc]

Good ass interview. But I'm not saying "bro" for the rest of the week 😂😂😂😂😂

[@JPitamus]

Math you gotta bring Unk Rah on here too, it’s only right 🔥🔥💪🏿✊🏿

[@blacknatnl0rd3rl.l.c.76]

Naww, when buddy said he parked at a bus stop!?!?!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Grigg_Street_Fee]

Stay 10 toes down Shine!🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️💪🏾❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

[@anthonyedwards1211]

I love what hes saying. True transparency i feel the same at regular work places if you want certain money you gotta do this or that. All the secrecy shows shady work.

[@taraparks3785]

Great Show @ Yet Any Legal Matter Is A Don’t Discuss Until Case Is Resolved ‼️

[@mikemiketrill]

37:35 atp into the interview, several things have stood out to me…you said they gave you $60k for the first deal, then you said you were trying to double it again! That means the second deal was $120k for 5 battles…you took a chunk up front and monthly payments on the rest…followed by they gave you $15k NOT to battle meaning at this point you’ve been paid $135k…In principle of course because I’m sure the rest of the money was contingent on completing matches…followed by you stand on “street” principles which is why you haven’t done the last match…turned down the money from several people to get you out your contract…I love you Shine frfr but you not very smart. I get the whole 7 figures you want now but you haven’t battled elsewhere because you know in your heart of hearts you’ll owe the URL $135k plus potential profits from said battle…because that ONE battle would cost you the ENTIRE contract…court proceedings can last years Shine…is chasing a mill once (because only your return battle would constitute such a ridiculous amount for one battle) really worth the potential million plus you could make continuously because you’re making a decision based on “street principles” (which is just another way of saying you’re making an emotional decision)…At the end of the day IT’S BUSINESS BRO! Ain’t no love in that shit and street principles DON’T apply! Idc who agrees I’m telling you what’s right. I wish you well brother but really sit down and write a battle of you vs URL because it’ll force you to look at it objectively instead of subjectively. I wish you well in your future endeavors but Shine, handle your BUSINESS, gangsta shit aside because it DOESN’T APPLY!

[@acapellabully]

Not gone lie whenever Tsu Surf come home that First interview/ sit down needs to be on ( My expert opinion) for Tsu surf full tell all on his POV from everything that has went down with him an the feds thats gonna be a major conversation for the Culture 💯🤞🏾

[@Solowar15]

K Shine is my guy. Mad conviction in his voice. If this is going on, then man that is so messed up. I wonder who else is getting duped

[@BigStunnaNTX]

Shoutout to math for getting back to the roots 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@fragrantbodyoilz76]

Love this episode, I do think when you sign the check you think differently. We are 20 years in business and everybody feels like the are worth more then what they are worth. When you are a business owner you take the biggest risk, so you should receive the biggest reward. From personal experience in working with some battle rappers and some mainstream rappers, their business acumen is less then exemplary. You have to use this to push merch and your celebrity to get money. The business model is unfair to battle rappers but the RESPECT you all get can translate into bread. Peace. Stay up Shine!

[@alonenomore3346]

That’s real he said math helped him that’s good good

[@hiphopwhooray5550]

why @3:59 math sonned champ lol why he aint tell him that off camera 😂🤣

[@johntucker410]

Finally after the 50th snippet🤷lol

[@Louie200Seven]

Perfect analogy comparing it to when Martin stopped. Aint no sitcom compare to that fr. 💯

[@RashaunEatOreos]

K shine confirmed a few things adept been saying lol crazy

[@negaprofitwise874]

We need more battle rapper's on GLOAT, salute K shine 💪🏾

[@steffanbrown4780]

It should be a app where artist can see the analytics and where they rank download the audio and video footage of their matches!

[@ceebreezy174]

U thinking outside the box 👍🏽

[@dredenny6654]

What do you mean by this. can you explain in a few words bruh for me

[@delbertprince5302]

Great episode as an OG