My First Impressions with Antorus, the Burning Throne

[@Lumidar]

"It's kinda funny to see people who no f*kin idea what's going on, running right into traps" **shows clip of himself dying to trap.** lol

[@ehllie]

It's him dying because other people are running through tripwires that deal damage to the entire raid. Not saying he doesn't make mistakes, but this wasn't his mistake

[@Asmongold_CatDany]

Teringventje Nah, the guy is probably used to the standard markdown formatting where a single asterisk makes a phrase _italic_ and a double asterisk makes it *bold* . That's considered conventional and I've no idea why KZbin decided to go with this unintuitive formatting instead

[@Hydrogenium_74]

i think it was for the achievement were you have to hit all the traps

[@Hydrogenium_74]

you know its a achievement were you have to hit every thing for glory of the burning throne raider and you should keep your dumb street stuff to yourself!

[@Hydrogenium_74]

Defeat Imonar the Soulhunter in Antorus, the Burning Throne after triggering every trap on the bridge on Normal difficulty or higher.

[@Devlinate]

Very themeras?

[@stevefyfe1018]

lol very math riss. very math riss, say it with me

[@broski981]

Asmongold has some strange pronunciations sometimes --> Silthius lmao

[@jintarman]

I've always thought it was like VAIR-i-MATH-russ. Don't remember hearing it pronounced properly.. unless it was in WC3? Better go back and replay it

[@Zanzibawrr]

it's more like varee-math-russ

[@benmanton1972]

Time stamp it

[@ArthasKazzak]

IT'S VARIMATHRAS :rage:

[@Xerevil]

i paused the vid just took for this comment XD

[@muumuumu]

Arthas I thought you died in ICC monkaS

[@ArthasKazzak]

ICC was a setback

[@GFXbySage]

Cant wait to fight the new hidden boss in Antorus, Barry Threemist

[@kristinsearight3813]

I come here for the pronunciations tho 😏

[@samuelwilde4849]

By the way illidan didn't have to stay there, he wanted to stay there. Everything he'd done in his life was to defy him and his pride wouldn't let illidan let someone else jail sargeares or illidan maybe even wanted to have a fight with sargeares and take him on.(sorry for spelling)

[@monkpawfire]

illidan wanted to die at the hands of sargeras

[@WarMonkeyPlays]

@MonkPaw - No, just no. He's said *time and time again* "the hunter is nothing without the hunt." He wanted to stay because this is what brings him contentment. This is what he wanted most. It's not to die to Sargeras; it's so he can "feast" on his prey (note the use of quotes there).

[@monkpawfire]

i guess he will die at the hands of sargeras trying to prey on him

[@theBEAVER169]

actually Illidan comes back at a later point to fight the void

[@phugindomas]

Matthew Fox completely irrelevant to the section. You feel better now that youve gotten that load off? We already know that we need the help of illidan with the pantheon to fight the void.

[@Alijamaru]

Both Aggramar and Argus are just avatars of their actual titan forms, if we were fighting real titan versions of them they'd be huge like Sargeras.

[@randjan8592]

but why are they not?

[@Brettsauces]

well, aggramar was killed by sargares and his soul was put into an avatar. Argus wasnt explained, much like teh whole raid, but i think they siphoned so much energy out of him that he was a little scrawny dude

[@kds6992]

and he hasnt been born natuarly yet like the other titans where, so argus the unmaker was basicly a baby titan still and having his power drained is prolly why we could beat him.

[@preds43]

Only Aggramar was an avatar. Argus was a tormented, premature World Soul.

[@ericdicocco4986]

i disagree about the character development thing. look how velen has learned from illidan. velen now realizes that we make our own destiny, and not everything is up to fate. i think that is a pretty big character transformation

[@ericdicocco4986]

also, my understanding is this. illidan did not HAVE to stay back, he WANTED TO. but im no loremaster (seriously) so i could be and probably am wrong on that.

[@NozVT]

Maybe he will like torture him at first, then make him explain things and in the end they might come to an agreement and they might return in the future to help us in some way

[@paulkouk6629]

No, I agree with Asmongold a 100% here. A little more dialog from the titans was much needed but all we got were some generic whispers from aoenar and 2 lines from Aman'thul. Other than that they only had some useless battlechatter. Would be cool if we could talk to the titans before engaging Argus so we can get some insight into their characters etc or if (god forbid) we got some explainations about what is really going on there with the titans. How did they get captured? How did they manifest into their forms again? Why are they so small? How did we manage to get to the seat of the pantheon? What happend to argus after the fight? Did we completly kill him or is he again in a soul state like the others were? When did Sargeras manage to get to Azeroth? WTF was Sargeras doing to Azeroth in that last scene before stabbing it? Why in the hell was he hiding behind clouds? Why did he have no legs? What happend to the part of Azeroth where Sargeras laid his hand on? I could go on and on. Point is we got no solid answers from blizz about these things and they can't just leave big stuff like this up for speculation. Again blizzard slacks in their storytelling. Anyways probably most of this stuff will get retconned when the chronicle book about it comes out.

[@NozVT]

there are more voice lines explaining more that were datamined but they are pressumed to be on mythic only

[@ub3rfr3nzy94]

Illidan didn't have to stay, he wanted to stay. He said he'd been waiting a long time for it. It's not like he isn't smart enough to find his way back to us someday anyway.

[@Qwerds7]

Niko let's hope he's not smart enough. He's extremely overrated and has the most annoying voice on World of Warcraft

[@morbidgull8922]

Well you good sir have terrible taste

[@johnclark1003]

You nailed Taesshlach but I️ just got done listening to “Varithamaras”.

[@Marsonis2ya]

Why do people keep saying because Sargeras is imprisoned that the burning legion is gone? The demons existed long before Sargeras and while many of them are trapped (without the portals they used to get around) on the worlds they are invading the legion is not gone. The dreadlords were the original generals of the legion and they still exist out there somewhere. No doubt they are already planning how to break Sargeras out.

[@kds6992]

sargeras formed the legion , without him there is no legion.

[@aimforthejuicebox7647]

Demons existed, Sargeras just forced them into his crusade, and if I remember correctly, Sargeras made the Nathrezim into demons, like the eredar, I am pretty sure they were just another race like the Draenei, so I don't think they were the commanders

[@theconcan2753]

25:00 it's pretty easy to follow up on this and fill it out with explanation and lore, they essentially created a cliffhanger of what happened to illidan. all we know is he stayed, not what happened after that, quite easy for blizzard to fill that out with dialogue between the titans, illidan and sargeras.

[@Lemmy1899]

I like how Varimathris ended up being the only boss with the actual "one person wipes the whole raid if they fuck up" mechanic in heroic and mythic lol

[@tuxedohampster3843]

8:40 you are supposed to pick up the fire buff from the first miniboss in order to see the third one.

[@KabukiJava]

I haven’t had this much in a raid for awhile even when wiping my team was laughing and haven’t fun cause the fights in this just felt so much better as long your group is working together it’s ezz and the end velens like sigh of relief at the end just felt awesome

[@Slec80]

The point is Illidan didnt have to, he decided to do this because he knows he is nothing without fighting Sargeras

[@Kalliko3DArt]

I mean, i think the cinematic doesn't portray that illidan is the Jailor, there's no need for one, it just looked like he just wanted to be there, to be present to the imprisonment for the guy responsible for most of his misery, he looked happy when Sargeras arrived not like he had a task to do

[@aimforthejuicebox7647]

I play affliction lock and the coven of shivara fight seems made for affliction locks, I always top out the damage meter cause the amount of elite ads, demonic portal can jump the whole raid out of both Norgannon and Khazgoroth, Two bosses at all times for double dotting, banish can immobilize norgannon completely until it is able to be killed, soulflame (AoE damage on every mob killed) kills every Norgannon instantly after the buff wears off, soul drain gets rid of chilled blood in a heartbeat, I can get my dots up on Amanthul and have really strong damage when we focus that one, and of course healthstones. Good fight to be a warlock

[@Asmongold_CatDany]

:DDDDD

[@jolol819]

CatDany [Asmongold Highlights] shit man you dont look like a hobo anymore! Great video man #PLmeAntorusHMplz

[@gborgesbardi]

CatDany [Asmongold Highlights], Say something smart

[@silusjackson7244]

CatDany [Asmongold Highlights] grow up

[@terraincognitagaming]

More like: "My experience getting carried through Antorus by my viewers who also ironically, pay ME."

[@card969]

Hush child, your ignorance is embarrassing.

[@johnkimura5585]

Varith Ramirez. Also, I don't think that it's necessarily that Illidan HAD to stay, I think that he just wanted to. Now that the hunt is over, he's just gonna chill with his prize, which is to torture Sargeras in holy felfire for the rest of eternity.

[@kn0bhe4d]

1:22 At least 25,000 years. That's how long the Draenei have been running.

[@Catzanova]

Very candid and light-hearted review! Good footage as well. I just finished Antorus on Normal yesterday, your impressions match mine tbh. With this raid, Blizzard has now done 3 raids in a row with VERY high quality. I mean, Emerald Nightmare and Trial of Valor were OK, but Nighthold, Tomb and Antorus have just been amazing!

[@MrIcePak]

Illidan stayed behind literally just to torment Sargeras. That's what's so fucking dope about it. He doesn't need to be there. He wants to. He's not his jailer, he's the torturer.

[@Alijamaru]

How tf is he going to torture a Titan. Fuck off Illidan fanboy

[@MrIcePak]

Sargeras has been captured by the Pantheon. The Pantheon is alive and would be more than capable to be his jailers. Illidan stayed anyway. Why do if not to get his Twin Dick of Azzinoth wet with the blood of his enemy?

[@onyxthelegend]

Illidan stayed just to fight Sargeras. He wasnt volunteering to be a jailer but just to finally confront him.

[@Uggasmesh]

i watched the cinematic for the first time on my normal kill with my guild. Muted discord so i could fully immerse myself into it all. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! the only problem is, the rest of my fucking guild skipped the cutscene and gave out a 975 relic by the time it was over. I could just imagine a 10 minute cinematic where when it finishes i'm the only person left in the raid while everyone is just gone for the night.

[@dafire9634]

Andrew Robinson I muted my guild too,but apparently everyone muted themselves for the cinematic since we did it at 8am right after it was out

[@NiekVL]

"Varifamirus"

[@geekynet]

looking sharp man, glad to see you still around making videos - you seem more enthusiastic since last time I swung by...good to see man. keep it up

[@EndingChoice67]

Thanks for this video, man. Been on a break from WoW ever since we got to Argus, so I haven’t been able to try this raid. Glad to see that you loved it

[@orec1424]

Rapter boss in vanilla ZG 2:37 if one person fucks up it makes it WAYYY harder

[@AdrianA-dj5uu]

Wasn't Kairozdormu the one that said "times change" not Grommash ?

[@opvask]

10 years he says... the legion thing started back in warcraft2 m8.. and the foundation for it was laid even in warcraft1 so u could argue the story has been going on and developing for something like 23-24yrs

[@zaekeon]

I’m sure 100 people have told you already but the boss where you have limited Vision you were supposed to bring over one of those flames from the fire platform

[@stevefyfe1018]

So coven was my favorite fight, and it's for no other reason than circumstance - As we're fighting them, a healer dies and I rez him. Well, at some point we had another hiccup and one of our tanks died. Being a balance druid with guardian affinity, I stepped up. And I got to tank for like three minutes, which is considerably harder when DBM doesn't recognize you as a tank. Anyway, the rez clicked, we got our tank, and i went back to boomy and we downed them. They hit like...well, bitches i guess. I'd have been toast against any other boss

[@JohnLinder]

12 + Years in this. LUV it! Keep up the great work brother!

[@Kim-tr5op]

i feel like antorus is teasing the casuals, that dont normally raid. The reason why i think that is the first bosses have really telegraphed tacs. the thrash shares some of the mechanics before the bosses itself so u get a feeling on how it feels and looks like. then when u go further into the raid it starts becoming more challenging and it keeps people progressing keeping them hooked, and it does it without having miss a tac. which wipes the raid. Conclusion. i like the way blizzard is going

[@dafire9634]

Kim Undal also there's no real mechanic changes in HC,excluding a few bosses,I think all the difficulty is put on mythic

[@Kim-tr5op]

yep

[@kevinrex7414]

I like the raid too. I actually cleared normal on Thursday. In ToS, I waited till the next week.

[@99RedRedfake]

What are you talking about, it doesn't make sense? Illidan didn't NEED to stay, that was the point. He WANTED to stay. He didn't get a chance to fight Sargeras. He's a hunter, that's his life's entire purpose. Every single thing he's done was so he could kill Sargeras. He's obsessed to the point he'd rather stay and fight Sargeras for all eternity than have a normal life. And Velen learns that we can take fate in our own hands and that all those prophecies are bull thanks to Illidan, that's massive development for him...

[@MrOPD]

If you really care about your damage on Kingaroth you're better not going to attack a boss that's immune to damage - that's got pretty little to do with adds taking extra damage there.

[@pointsintostrength]

Illidan didn't stay back to be Sargeras' jailer. He stayed back because he wanted to fuck Sageras up. His mission for 1000s of years was to bring him down and he finally has a shot at him.

[@ThatGuyAtStarbucks]

I disagree with your point about Varimathras @ 17:10 On Heroic he places necrotic on people and they have too move out, if they don't then its a wipe. But on normal its pretty ez if the tanks know what they are doing. Fuck that boss. I really like the rest of them though!

[@Dominic-yf8gm]

I agree with almost everything you said. It was a fantastic raid and loved ir but I didn't understand the ending at all. One minute we are fighting the legion which makes sense but then we fight argus which doesnt make sense because arent we trying to free argus from the legions grasp? So why are we fighting him? And then I also didnt get the fact that sargeras was a titan so if the other titans had the power all along to banish him why didnt they? Just didnt makes alot of sense to me. Also is Illidan trapping sargeras or did he just get taken with the titans in order to fight him if the other titans allowed it? Lots of unanswered questions but still fantastic raid

[@dafire9634]

Goat Cheese all of the questions you said have an answer,some answers are even in game, goddamn it, not going to bother to respond here,educate yourself

[@yunglex2172]

new haircut looking phresh

[@brunohanham3119]

makes him look old

[@nadiamond]

Did you get the mount at the end?

[@FrenchDebuff]

The fact that Has-a-bel drops a Handbell is 10/10 would plunder her caverns again

[@lallarn6684]

16:13 Verythameras?

[@Milhomens23]

I don't think Illidan was there as a jailer, more like a end boss just for him to kill. He can't really die, and Sargeras... Who knows. Maybe they become friends after 10k years together and we get a "full new crusade demon Illidan now demon lord owner of a dog titan expansion".

[@1dasd22Al]

It's the best visually (especially Eonar) but the majority of the encounters are pushovers as of right now (this will hopefully change on Mythic). Honestly, I can't see how much they'd nerf it on LFR. No portals on Hasabel? Automatic Pods on General? No clue.

[@raver377]

i think the only thing bad about antorus is that we had 2 damn fel green raids befor hand... i wish blizzard would put a mini raid like tov between each major raid tier to give some diversity just imagine a 3 boss raid between tos and antorus it would make antorus feel fresh again even though we already had 2 big ass raids with fucking green stuff all around and since its just small raids you dont have to care about anything realy you could put anything in there from murlocs to gnolls maybe some faction war stuff

[@TheStingySteve]

so did you get any rad items? i got a leggo belt for my warr with ilvl 1000 from m+2 VotW yesterday

[@Jake-oj3dn]

Does anyone know that funny raid clip of that raid leader freaking out because some guy missed a star or something like that?

[@cryogenical_]

"This may be the only place in the universe sacred to the demons, they would sooner pluck their eyes out than gaze upon it." -"Who could ever imagine such a sacrifice?" Thx illidilly

[@RaidZ3r0]

so is this raid going to be the last till battle for azeroth?

[@tombola1990]

nice review, would love to hear your opinions on the heroics aswell especially the coven.

[@kiznethal]

Hope they will add extended cinematic on mythic

[@ZiqpY]

This raid looks good. I stopped raiding in mythic NH, how can i get back to raiding asap?

[@mefninja]

We pulled the bounty hunter thinking it was a mob and 1 shot him... I didn't even Realize until half way thru.. was healing though

[@broski981]

I hope mythic Eonar isn't annoyingly hard, otherwise it will be really fun because mass aoe is just fun to do. I don't think blizz wants eonar to be blast furnace 2.0 as well so I'm not expecting anything overly complex out of it

[@Frederikth92]

Blast furnace M was a fucking piece of shit.

[@sigmundfreud7903]

to correct you on that the burning crusade has been going on for over 20 years now since warcraft Orcs and Humans.

[@kaantomak2840]

If you don’t mind Asmongold what’s your Warrior Talent set up for raids?

[@antoniobalicanta8729]

It doesnt matter. If you watch the video he's dicking around and getting carried. He's on the bottom of the dps list. If youre trying to improve, dont copy him. If youre trying to copy him, pay for a carry.

[@oresomeness]

I think the reason illidan stayed back wasnt to be a jailor. It was to have his shot at sargeras. This entire time, illidan wasnt sacrificing anything, he was just doing everything in his power to get a crack at sargeras. In the cinematic he chooses to stay back not to keep sargeras under control (i'm sure the pantheon could handle him, especially with the help of argus) but because he knows this is probably the only opportunity he would ever get of fighting sargeras. Just like the ending of black temple where he says maeve is nothing without him or the hunt for him, he is nothing without sargeras or the hunt for sargeras. He knows hes not coming back to azeroth, he knows hes never gonna see tyrande of malfurion again, he doesnt give a fuck, hes not sacrificing himself to keep the dark titan away, this motherfucker just wants to take a swing at sargeras.

[@CookieRager]

Varimathras does have a solo wipe mech on heroic

[@Chris_42Offner]

How do I zoom out this far?

[@liamdalton79]

I think the idea of the Titan cinematic not making sense, makes... sense. They're literal gods. Their motivations, methods and speech is gonna be confusing as fuck to mortal minds. The lack of dialogue between Sargeras and the Titans is kind of expected I think. Hell, for all you know, they were relaying concepts and discourse between each other telepathically, faster than a super computer could process data. Imagine trying to explain what you do and your life goals to a fucking ant. It can't even comprehend your existence, let alone understand what you're saying. In fact, I'm actually kind of disappointed that they even occupy 3D space. When we saw Sargeras in previous cutscenes, it was just as a cloud of fel vapour. I assumed it was so he could accomodate a form that wouldn't absolutely shatter our minds, and I thought the rest of the Titans would have transcended geometric form, or some shit like that.

[@malosky8087]

25:20 Illidan stayed there to have fun with sergares and play hearthstone. tbh, if you hunt someone for 10thousand years.. u aint gonna just leave it and go back to every day Joe life.

[@CorekBleedingHollow]

I love this raid. Lots of cool boss fights. Blizz did a good job on this one. Now I need those fucking trinkets from felhounds and Argus. I'm still stuck with 880 and 890 trinkets... FUUUUUUCK!

[@jacksonshaw2981]

I loved going through the portals-- it make me feel like the fight was more 3-dimensional (if that makes sense). I agree that the "shadow" mechanics don't feel very rewarding.

[@lawlestest]

Just sitting here waiting for legion to blow over so i can level my fucking void-elf.

[@babaqnis]

can anyone tell me how to tune my video settings or even cpu settings because im getting frame drops i am using 6850k and asus gtx 1080ti strix oc and i dont understand why i got such bad performance...

[@9Hand0Cannon7]

Antorus is amazing! Very fun, definitely challenging, but not overboard.

[@Moethelock]

When will the sword appear in the live version?

[@HonorBoundBurus]

it is in the live version. . . Just kill Argus or wait for LFR

[@Moethelock]

i did kill argus

[@HonorBoundBurus]

then go to Silithus and its there

[@Moethelock]

yeah.. i did ty..

[@rayzook]

great video! You do some very excellent work. What addon is showing those boss mechanics counting down on your screen above your action bars?

[@Spigy88]

is that what equals to raiding nowadays? You get up, get a group and clear it pretty fast?...

[@OneOfTheLoveless]

What sword?

[@ArkendYT]

I don't even play WoW anymore but I love listening to your first impression videos. Also, I like your new haircut.

[@runelinnemannjrgensen1170]

Looking fresh, love the streams!

[@ilikevidzz]

"It's really fun to do if everyone is really good, but if they're not, you get mad." lol

[@MauriceSener]

11:40 yes, yes he is

[@shanzb]

Derpy mcdumbass 👌🏽

[@yjoppe]

The way he says "guys" in the beginning LOOOL 0:03

[@Eeiv.]

Pronounciation on point!

[@LimeGuy101]

Pronunciation*

[@Mexxy]

Varithamaras?

[@jexb864]

"I don't even know if Han Solo is a bounty hunter" -Asmongoloid

[@shakeweller]

In heroic the Coven of Shivarra is the hardest boss which is fucked up...

[@dafire9634]

shakeweller oh boi the overlaps :D

[@gringoboy701]

I hate coven. That storm that has no delay b4 u start getting knocked for 25% of your life a second is stupid and needs to be nerfed to show safe zones b4 the dmg actually starts. Its fine by itself but combined with other mechanics that also require positioning to avoid dmg it just becomes stupid.

[@Unh0ly0ne]

Antorus is really, really enjoyable. But to be fair, NH was also incredible so ToS seems worse than it was, it was an okay Raid but the others are just way too god damn good. That said, we have to see Mythic. I especially enjoy Eonar Tower Defense but it's heavily undertuned on NM/HM. Hope it's balanced on MM. The only black sheep is Varimathras, it sucks beyond bad. I don't mind that you could pretty much one shot Heroic even with splits bc it's undertuned.

[@Merlininsider]

Bonus fight on mythic Argus can only be one guy, and we all know who it is. Say it with me people: Nomi.

[@MrBlahblahblahloser]

PSA the inky black potions look really good in this raid

[@dafire9634]

MrBlahblahblahloser oh boi

[@Kayvonix]

Hey Asmongold! I love your videos man. I was just wondering if you were going to do another speed leveling in legion like you did in WoD. I loved following the guide and used it on all my alts.

[@TexasLotteryPlayer]

Antorus, The Green and Black Throne

[@Otama1738]

ABT being the best raid in legion isn't realy that big of a praise. All the raids in legion have been pretty mediocre imo

[@Sananov]

Vari Mathiras is the long lost cousin of Bendledick Crumplebunch

[@dafire9634]

Sananov you mean Brumblebranch Crasterfrunch?

[@jake212]

han solo was not a bounty hunter, youre thinking of boba fet i believe. Great video!

[@joaopauloviscaino5181]

I feel like Sargeras should come back, not just ignored forever. Personally, Illidan should be raped by him 10000 times, then sargeras would come back redeemed and using lightforged warglaives so that he could kill all the voidlords

[@blocklance_3921]

Nothing this Wrathful Nothing this Cataclysmic Nothing this Pandarius Nothing this Crusadeful Nothing this Draenorous

[@Leon006006]

He did NOT stay there to be the Jailer, wtf :D He stayed there to kick his ass not more.

[@SeruraRenge11]

...Verithimeris? You know they said his name out loud in WC3, right?

[@chavo1339]

Why is everybody saying that Illidan is imprisoning Sargeras? Cant you see his Glaives when Sargeras came down? He is going to fucking kill him :D

[@ivox.]

Damn my boy lookin sharp !

[@abrahamlincoln2328]

i didn't know han solo was a bounty hunter

[@monkeybrains41]

this dude looked like a socially awkward zombie at Blizzcon who hasn't left his attic in years